<kristianpaul>
anyone remene the name name wich is fault tolerant ?
<kristianpaul>
damm sorry
<kristianpaul>
i need  sleep better
<kristianpaul>
i was askign the name of the network system wich is fault tolerant
<calamarz>
kristianpaul: network fs?
<kristianpaul>
calamarz: i think is missing something, at least you can point me to the wikipedia article
<kristianpaul>
anyw ay
<kristianpaul>
gn9
<calamarz>
kristianpaul: just was wondering if you mean network filesystems with fault tolerance
<freespace>
hrm, why is openwrt's build system insisting on running make install :/
<freespace>
i had overwritten Build/Compile, but it is still doing it
<Textmode>
:/
<Textmode>
is that bad?
<freespace>
well it is not letting me compile fbpad
<freespace>
hrm, i tihnk i will just pach the makefile to have one
<freespace>
that feels bad though
<Textmode>
:o
<Textmode>
the build finished
<Textmode>
...what do I do now? :P
<freespace>
flash it? :)
<freespace>
i made a dir on the same level as openwrt-xburst called custom_image
<freespace>
symlink'd the ubi and bin files from openwrt-xburst/bin/xburst
<freespace>
copied the u-boot.bin in there as well
<freespace>
then used reflash_ben.sh
<kyak>
every morning i'm reading the backlog and understand that everbody is minding his own business.. maybe only a short notice in chan "i did this, i did that"
<kyak>
no documentation, no common source of information
<kyak>
perhaps this is due to the fact of owrt/debian/jlime/dingoo actually splitting the community
<kyak>
our efforts are spread
<kyak>
we need to kind of TODO list for Ben
<kyak>
*some kind of
<kyak>
or me can keep acting as every man for himself
<Textmode>
i think everyone is still trying to see what can be done.
<Textmode>
though I do agree that theres a lot of repeated effort.
<Textmode>
that, at least, should be reduced.
<Textmode>
freespace: why would I flash it, all I wantted was the toolchain
<kyak>
it is mostly a question of what _needs_ to be done, that what can be done
<Textmode>
kyak: yes, but theres more than one way to skin a cat, certain things might "need" to be done, but whats the *best* way?
<Textmode>
surely theres such a list on the wiki, or something?
<kyak>
i've never seen such list
<Textmode>
then that seems like a good place to start.
<calamarz>
kyak: roadmap++
<kyak>
more like todo++
<calamarz>
kyak: and maybe also important communication channels for each 'team', as there are people of several and different fronts
<calamarz>
personally I don't see dist splitting as a problem
<calamarz>
as long as there is cross-fertilization
<calamarz>
something interesting would be ipkg<->deb conversions
<kyak>
dist splitting leads to less effort put in each of them
<freespace>
Textmode: ah, i see :)
<Textmode>
I think kyak's point is that its a bit to early to be splitting our effort
<kyak>
it's like thousands of linux distros.. just a waste of human resources
<kyak>
Textmode: maybe you are right! Maybe we need to have a solid base
<Textmode>
kyak: most linux distro's have their own flavor, though. they solve different problems, and are targeted at differnet users.
<kyak>
Textmode: yes, this is why 20-30 distros would be enough
<kyak>
or even less
<kyak>
but not literally thousand
<kyak>
s
<Textmode>
kyak: I wouldn't be so sure, theres a lot more feaild of endevour than you thing, and everyone has their own style and preferences.
<calamarz>
for the nn, I see openwrt/debian as a very good couple
<Textmode>
thats not to say there *isn't* just plain wasted effort out there, how many "micro *nixes" do we really need?
<Textmode>
I mean, how many ways is there to make a minimal system?
<calamarz>
what would be for you the most urgent thing now in the todo?
<kyak>
Textmode: let's change a set of wallpapers of release a new linux distro? This is a metaphor, but you get the point
<kyak>
calamarz: actually, yesterday i've seen that jlime makes it a good triple :)
<kyak>
or trinity
<Textmode>
kyak: style and preference includes *functional*, consider the emacs Vs VIM wars :P
<calamarz>
kyak: not so much of a metaphor... i've seen governments wasting tons of money in "reinveinting" debian when actually they were paying graphic designers :p
<kyak>
my first thing in todo would be WiFi (i mean, the ks7010 driver for sdio card).. But as of now i'm always distracted from this target
<calamarz>
how much is that sdio card, btw?
<calamarz>
personally, I'm excited about compiling a bunch of good framebuffer goodies
<kyak>
manufacturer offered me for 70 USD, while Zhang Yi of sharism kindly offered me it for 49 USD :)
<calamarz>
it's like a revival, i like the challenge of small ram, try to live w/o X etc
<calamarz>
kyak: is that a friend's price or they have supplies?
<Textmode>
calamarz: I like having an excuse to be minimal again.
<kyak>
calamarz: i was told this was their leftover in their warehouse
<kyak>
so i don't know if more left
<Textmode>
pity
<Textmode>
i don't really have any use for wifi, though.
<kyak>
there should definitely be a special offer for this card when byuing Ben
<Textmode>
what I *would* like is a real ethernet port, but thats not happening.
<calamarz>
mmm another thing I would like to try one day is connecting ben to lafonera via serial
<calamarz>
that would be a good wardriving toy ]:)
<Textmode>
lafonera?
<Textmode>
heh
<calamarz>
mmm it's a cheap wifi router running openwrt
<kyak>
calamarz: instead, you should connect it to a GPS module via serial and use sdio WiFi card :)
<kyak>
then you'll have a warwalking toy :)
<calamarz>
hehe
<calamarz>
also have to play connecting it to the freerunner :) gps via usb
<calamarz>
but i don't like wifi cards that cannot be pigtailed
<calamarz>
mmm yesterday I found the ben personalities program in the wiki
<calamarz>
and liked the idea
<newbie007>
greetings, I'm trying to decide what to do with my nanonote
<newbie007>
I was thinking of putting dingoo (? is that what it's called) on it.  Can someone point me to a tutorial for it.. I haven't found one on google
<freespace>
debian?
<newbie007>
I found a debian tutorial, what scares me about it is that the filesystem could get corrupted
<newbie007>
I don't get how X would work. It's not gnome right? but it has a graphical menu of some sort?
<calamarz>
newbie007: afaik, dingoo is the device, and dingux what you can install on a dingoo http://www.dingux.com/
<kyak>
the screenshot is beautiful :) i guess what they are running as WM
<xiangfu>
wolfspraul: I make the u-boot work in jz4760 evb board.
<larsc>
wohho!
<wolfspraul>
xiangfu: niiice!
<rafa>
xiangfu: ;-) great man
<wolfspraul>
in case people don't know - Ingenic is our fly on the wall at Ingenic
<wolfspraul>
bit more than fly on the wall maybe
<wolfspraul>
he can walk in, grab whatever EVB he wants, and start hacking
<wolfspraul>
larsc: that is also in large part to the impressive work you have been doing and Ingenic is clearly aware of
<wolfspraul>
(typo, I meant "Xiangfu is our fly on the wall at Ingenic")
<wolfspraul>
I hope they will soon give us 1 or 2 EVBs so we can send one to Adam or Lars or others that are interested
<wolfspraul>
but right now they have only 10 for the whole company, so understandably cannot give them out yet
<wolfspraul>
xiangfu: so for the zImage.bin, I still need a separate ramfs/initramfs? how do I use that zImage.bin with xbboot?
<rafa>
wolfspraul: I think that lars and xiangfu are doing a really really great work. If I see the device from jlime side I can tell you that we have a quickly way to make a distro because there are uboot and kernel, and also, there are people working and helping others, like me, to use those.
<kyak>
are these boards a  Ya prototype?
<kyak>
or more like Bens suitable for hacking?
<wolfspraul>
hmm
<wolfspraul>
no it's a number of steps
<wolfspraul>
first it's a new SoC being made
<wolfspraul>
and it will show up in many products in the future
<kyak>
what's the difference, anyway? more GPIOs?
<xiangfu>
wolfspraul: I will send email to list about the zImage.bin. or wiki. write the steps. :)
<wolfspraul>
rafa: sure I agree. without that impressive work at the bottom we would be nowhere.
<wolfspraul>
xiangfu: yes, great. thanks.
<larsc>
kyak: i guess jz4740 compared to jz4760, is simpliar to a Pentium II compared to a Pentium III, or so
<rafa>
wolfspraul: do you want to use initramfs in ben nanonote?
<wolfspraul>
I think we are using it already and it works, just not well documented
<rafa>
wolfspraul: I have tried to use initramfs inside the kernel, without luck
<rafa>
I am interested as well, and if we can use initramfs I would go for kexec to have a boot menu and some easier way to upgrade the nand rootfs or SD
<kyak>
larsc: i see, good comparison
<freespace>
finally, default small font
<freespace>
i am a machine
<freespace>
i can not pass the captcha on the qi-hardware wiki
<freespace>
i wonder if i am turing complete...
<freespace>
s/turing complete/a turing machine/
<freespace>
(also openid is broken for google/blogger, yahoo/flikr)
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul: hi
<wolfspraul>
hi
<rafa>
larsc: have you tested your .config (2.6.34) with microSD?
<kristianpaul>
what the name of the fault tolerant netowrk you pointed in the dev list some time ago
<kristianpaul>
what is*
<rafa>
it always gives me kernel panic
<rafa>
but I have not been able to read all the debug messages to realize out which is the problem
<larsc>
rafa there is a bug in the current kernel which prevents the mmc driver from loading
<rafa>
I have a .config which works for jlime
<rafa>
with 2.6.34
<rafa>
and micro SD
<rafa>
larsc: ah.. okey
<larsc>
i'll push the fix when i'm home
<larsc>
in 30 minutes or so
<rafa>
larsc: great, thanks
<freespace>
wolfspraul: openid login on the wiki is broken, and i can't pass the captcha - i imagine other ppl will have problems too
<rafa>
larsc: we are talking about git://projects.qi-hardware.com/qi-kernel.git right?
<rafa>
(where you will push the patches)
<wolfspraul>
freespace: he, OK. I know openid is broken.
<wolfspraul>
captcha is too hard
<wolfspraul>
I am totally swamped right now, give me a bit of time and I will first make the captcha easier.
<larsc>
rafa: yes
<wolfspraul>
maybe I kick out the openid, I heard from other mediawiki admins that it never really works
<freespace>
sure, i understand
<wolfspraul>
thanks for the heads up!
<wolfspraul>
I appreciate. We need more wiki edits.
<freespace>
nod, that was why i was trying to signup :)
<rafa>
larsc: cool, thanks
<wolfspraul>
freespace: have you tried the captcha a few times :-)
<rafa>
larsc: another little issue: I can not make vmlinuz, it fails building.. how should we make zImage like xiangfu suggested on mailling list?
<wolfspraul>
sorry this is the default setting of mediawiki, I also think it's a bit hard :-)
<freespace>
i tried about 5 times
<freespace>
then i got tired of it. i had to type in the password each time
<tuxbrain_away>
any one knows if there is a small switch with 2i/o in one side 4 i/o in other (two pairs) and I can control what pair is conected? even manually if is three ways based instead of pairs  better  but not mandatory. I want it to select between gps or serial plug of the TP4/TP5
<Ornotermes>
tuxbrain_away: you could probably use regular logic chips with and gates from 7400 or 4000 series
<Ornotermes>
and by adding a demux you can select 4 different channels with two bits
<tuxbrain_away>
Ornotermes: an schema on how to put all this together will be tremendously helpful, in spite what you might thing I'm totally a wannabe lammer on eletronics (and a lot of other things :P)
<Ornotermes>
tuxbrain_away: or maybe mux and demux
<mth>
tuxbrain: thanks, now I can commit some improvements to gmenu2x
<tuxbrain>
great :)
<qi-commits>
Maarten ter Huurne: Replaced "hash_map" by "unordered_map" to get rid of deprecation warnings. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/9f21df7
<tuxbrain>
I hope some one dedicate some love to  keymapping and help screen
<mth>
I'm simplifying the build, so other people can easily pick it up and do other stuff ;)
<mth>
I want to remove some potential crashes, since zear keeps complaining that the OpenDingux kernel makes gmenu2x crash and I'm pretty sure it's not the kernel's fault :)
<tuxbrain>
Thanks a lot mth, have a clean and handy gui launcher is very impotant for the hole project
<tuxbrain>
hole->whole :P
<mth>
I'm mostly doing it for the Dingoo, but I'm glad to help the NanoNote
<tuxbrain>
Enter:Launch link/Confirmation (actual "X key"/B on help)
<tuxbrain>
Q,P:Change section (L and R on Help and screen, also change L, R on the top corners)
<tuxbrain>
F1:Show manual/readme (actual "Z key/Y on screen)
<tuxbrain>
VolUP,VolDown:Change volume
<tuxbrain>
Space:Show contextual menu(actual "Esc Key", SELECT in help)
<tuxbrain>
The options menu is aviable thour Settings/GMenu2x so no need to have dedicated key.
<tuxbrain>
Also as long time project integrate it with /usr/share/applications, desktop files instead of his own file format shouldbe awesome, but step by step first cleaning, then(or meanwhile keymaping) then adding features.
<tuxbrain>
I just writte it down to have some place to rescue  when I forget it
<methril>
hi all!
<nebajoth>
y halo thar
<tuxbrain>
hi dude
<mth>
tuxbrain: I think key bindings can already be specified in a config file
<mth>
input.conf
<tuxbrain>
yeah but also has to be changed on the help screen
<mth>
ah, the help screen doesn't automatically show the actual bindings?
<eharrington>
hey, sorry to interrupt, am trying to install debian on sd card, but can't figure out how to mount it. noticed this error from dmesg: mmc0: error -122 whilst initialising SD card, anyone seen this before? (card is formatted ext2 on my ubuntu 10.04)
<nebajoth>
eharrington: I have debian installed on my flash (more to come)
<nebajoth>
I get that error message intermittently
<nebajoth>
when I push my microsd card in while the NN is already running
<Ornotermes>
tuxbrain: it's NOT-gates, and it's needed with that combination of chips
<nebajoth>
I use the microsd for swap space
<nebajoth>
I have just popped it out
<nebajoth>
and popped it back in
<nebajoth>
and it has worked after the second or third try
<nebajoth>
I wonder if it has to do with a bad connection
<tuxbrain>
Ornotermes: ok, understand NANDS will revert the output that has to be rereverted to fine :)
<tuxbrain>
Ornotermes: just another question, do you believe 4000 series will fit for serial comunication, I read 4000 not support as higher HZ than the 7400 familie do you think 4000 can deal with at least 57600 bps?
<tuxbrain>
7400 family minimum voltage is to high for 3,3V of BNN
<Ornotermes>
tuxbrain: im not shure using nand would do the trick, let me think a minute
<Ornotermes>
tuxbrain: 74HC/74HCT-series has a 2V to 6V supplay(they are CMOS)
<eharrington>
Thank-you nebajoth ! (maybe a little film left from mfg?) showing up with dmesg now.
<nebajoth>
I'm glad that worked for you eharrington
<nebajoth>
:)
<Ornotermes>
tuxbrain: speed shouldn't be an issue with any rather modern logic, but HC/HCT should be able to handle 25MHz
<tuxbrain>
even simplier 1 Ic , a transitor and two resistors :) this is taking form
<Ornotermes>
but i think Rc should be atleast 10k ohm to not dran battery more than needed
<Ornotermes>
tuxbrain: did you see my new schematic?
<tuxbrain>
the transistor one? yes
<Ornotermes>
no, 3chip 4channel
<tuxbrain>
yes
<Ornotermes>
i googled the transistor gate
<qi-commits>
Maarten ter Huurne: Use the Google Sparsehash package that is included in our source tree. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/40f7953
<mth>
now gmenu2x can be compiled out of the box
<tuxbrain>
but I want to embed the whole thing inside the ben 3 chips is too much I just need two channels so the transitor gate+1 chip is more than fine :)
<tuxbrain>
thanks a lot Ornotermes :) without your help surelly I would ended rewiring by hand on each switch of channel :P
<Ornotermes>
tuxbrain: then you could probably build it on a dip-chip with bent out legs without pcb
<tuxbrain>
yes that's the goal  , ugly but reduced to the max :P
<Ornotermes>
smd is another option
<Ornotermes>
if it is an option for you :P
<tuxbrain>
no equipment/skills to smd :(
<Ornotermes>
for say so16 the soldering isn't that very hard
<eharrington>
Good Evening, (anyone awake?) I am attempting the instructions from Xiangfu to load debian onto sd card. All steps are working but when doing 'M' power on boot, I get the following: MMC card is ready - mmc1 is available - loading file "/boot/uImage" from mmc device 0:1 (xxa1)Â Â ** File not found /boot/uImage - Wrong Image format for bootm command - ERROR: can't get kernal Image! ---- what should I check? thank-you
<xiangfu>
eharrington: double check the "/boot/uImage" file. make sure the kernel image name is : uImage, what is the size of your sd card?
<eharrington>
Hi Xiangfu! My card is 8 gb, if I mount card from nano I can verify that the files are in place.