11:32 <SeanTAllen> A new "Last week in Pony" is out... https://www.ponylang.org/blog/2017/06/last-week-in-pony---june-18-2017/

11:53 <bitcrusher> was joe duffy's talk uploaded to qcon?

11:54 <bitcrusher> oh it was uploaded just a lot earlier maybe..

12:04 <bitcrusher> ^that must be a bot?

12:05 <bitcrusher> maybe not.. reddit hasn't doesn't have last week in pony.. maybe he manually posts.

13:04 <SeanTAllen> I stopped posting to reddit. People are free to post it if they want.

18:47 <cquinn> quick basic question: what is the ref capability of a constant array expression?

18:48 <cquinn> That is, if I am passing an array literal directly to a function argument, what caps are compatible with that literal so that no recover is needed.

18:49 <cquinn> I couldn't find a section in the tutorial that discussed caps of literals.

20:12 <ada[m]> stupid quesion: when calling a class constructor, is there a way to control the reference capability returned?

20:55 <vaninwagen> cquinn afaik it is Array[X] ref, but right, there should be a section in the tutorial, maybe in the expressions section or capabilities

21:03 <vaninwagen> ada[m] when writing a constructor you can do ``new CAP create(...)``. afaik when calling all you can do is recover, as the actual cap is defined by the constructor

21:06 <vaninwagen> smth. along those lines: recover MyLittlePony.create("rainbow-dash") end (which has some constraints https://tutorial.ponylang.org/capabilities/recovering-capabilities.html)

21:14 <vaninwagen> hehe, joe duffy: "use languages that solve these problems by construction", sylvan clebsch: *smiles knowingly* https://www.infoq.com/presentations/panel-languages-future

21:15 <ada[m]> thanks vaninwagen!

21:27 <ada[m]> So that question came from the fact that I was trying to print a string iso without consuming it. The error message I got led me to believe that the ref I was creating wasn't an iso, so I figured I was misunderstanding ref cap construction. Turns out I wasn't; I was just looking at the wrong part of my code. Trying to work out now whether there's a way I can improve the tutorial so others don't run into same problem.

21:36 <vaninwagen> ada[m] i also came across one or two issues where i wished there would have been some kind of a language reference next to the tutorial

21:37 <vaninwagen> the tutorial is great, but its narrative flow introduces capabilities quite late so that they are not covered from beginning

21:39 <vaninwagen> if there is a common interest for some kind of language reference which tries to cover everything without the educational impetus of the tutorial (and which takes most parts from the existing tutorial), i would be glad to help out

22:38 <SeanTAllen> ada[m]: yes.

22:39 <SeanTAllen> new iso create() will default you to iso. Change refcap as needed to suit your needs.