01:35 <SeanTAllen> katafrakt: it appears that your SSL dependency is missing.

01:36 <SeanTAllen> Given that Arch linux is a rolling update distro, I suspect that the required version of libssl is no longer available.

07:57 <katafrakt[m]> SeanTAllen: the thing is, no ssl-related update was made since the time it worked. But maybe it will get back to normal.

07:59 <FunkyBob> which begs the question, katafrakt[m] ... what _did_ change?

08:00 <katafrakt[m]> A lot of things, kernel version included. I don't have detailed log at hand now.

12:35 <Candle> Oh. Both stdlig packages 'net/http' and 'logger' supply something called "Logger"

12:35 <Candle> stdlib*

12:36 <Candle> https://stdlib.ponylang.org/logger-Logger/ and https://stdlib.ponylang.org/net-http-Logger/

12:40 <Candle> Good to see that it's already sorted; you can alias un the use statement.

13:22 <fluttershy_> hello, here when I consume an iso 2d array, the elements (arrays) are considered tag : https://is.gd/BJGflM any idea how to fix it ?

13:42 <SeanTAllen> your statement isnt correct fluttershy_

13:42 <SeanTAllen> http://pony-playpen.lietar.net/?gist=93e258ec4724bf5265029912f41c4946

13:42 <SeanTAllen> are you around to talk about what I did to make that work?

13:43 <fluttershy_> yes

13:44 <SeanTAllen> ok so two things

13:44 <SeanTAllen> 1. you almost never need for a field of a class to be an iso

13:44 <SeanTAllen> go for ref like i did, it will make your life much easier.

13:45 <SeanTAllen> the only time you need an iso is if you are packing it with data (like TCPConnection does with its read buffer) and then handing that packed up data off to another actor and starting over with an empty iso again

13:46 <SeanTAllen> 2. the compiler is not very smart of what happens inside of a constructor so everything in a constructor is tag. your problem was trying to access the matrix field in the constructor. yes, you initialized it and in this case, that is an easy thing to see but there are many cases that are hard to determine so right now the compiler defaults to "every field is

13:46 <SeanTAllen> tag until the constructor is finished"

13:47 <SeanTAllen> by finished, that means "all fields are initialized" so i'm going to gist a 2nd way to do this in a moment...

13:47 <SeanTAllen> http://pony-playpen.lietar.net/?gist=e0399dbb07cd5fac712922cb7c21e06c

13:48 <SeanTAllen> so your problem had nothing to with consuming

13:51 <fluttershy_> hemmm ok I see, I wanted to use iso because i didn't want to copy the matrix in case I have a big one and to do in place transpose and when finishing transpose back.

13:52 <fluttershy_> oh never mind I understand

13:56 <fluttershy_> thanks

14:42 <SeanTAllen> fluttershy_: are you planning on send the matrix back out of the actor it gets sent to?

14:45 <fluttershy_> yes

14:46 <SeanTAllen> ok

14:47 <SeanTAllen> so you might want to do as an iso for the field, check out how that is handled with TCPConnection and its read buffer.

14:48 <fluttershy_> yes I'll, there is still a lot to learn :)

15:27 <fluttershy_> so far what i understand is If I have something to share between actors before I call the behavior I need to create another alias in which I recover to sendable (iso|val|tag), I can't recover a ref to iso here the array is considered tag : https://is.gd/6otf1g

16:45 <SeanTAllen> everything is "tag" in a constructor until all fields of the object have been initialized

16:46 <SeanTAllen> you still around fluttershy_ ?

16:52 <fluttershy_> yes

16:53 <fluttershy_> ok but here I am out of the constructor

16:54 <fluttershy_> I am trying to recover inside the behavior

17:00 <fluttershy_> do you mean that I have to init all vector inside create otherwise will always be considered tag ?

17:06 <fluttershy_> so even when initialized all fields in create : https://is.gd/iwZIpS still have the problem

17:22 <SeanTAllen> you cant recover a ref to an iso

17:23 <SeanTAllen> thats not safe

17:23 <SeanTAllen> what is it you are trying to accomplish fluttershy_ ?

17:26 <SeanTAllen> there's multiple things wrong in there that are hiding errors

17:31 <fluttershy_> ok I'll send a gist with my original explaining the idea and what I actually want to do

17:31 <Candle> In a function definition, is there type alias for "sendable"; like with generics you can say '#send'?

17:32 <Candle> e.g. fun foo(something: Something #send) => ///

17:32 <Candle> (does that even make sense?)

17:34 <SeanTAllen> Candle: yes. see: https://tutorial.ponylang.org/generics/generic-constraints.html

17:35 <SeanTAllen> what you want though candle is probably #share

17:35 <SeanTAllen> or maybe #send

18:26 <fluttershy_> SeanTAllen: long story short :p http://pony-playpen.lietar.net/?gist=b8df82364912b8b4e71bceaef2bbfd5d

18:35 <fluttershy_> SeanTAllen can you open the link ?