<houkime>
spring connectors do provide some vertical freedom so probably everything ok.
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<chomwitt>
teres was designed in kicad .. interesting
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<houkime>
ok, now fm design is kinda weird. There is a spring contact for fm tx+, but fm tx- (ground) is missing. which kinda suggests that there is no fm tx- pad and it is just board ground there.
<houkime>
however that pad exists on sch.
<houkime>
on the n900 legacy board this is likely a G804 pad.
<houkime>
however in this case i
<houkime>
'm not sure there will be a good contact.
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<Joerg-Neo900>
yes, exactly
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<Joerg-Neo900>
G904 == FM_TX_M P804
<Joerg-Neo900>
G804 == FM_TX_M P804
<houkime>
for some reason there are through-hole footprints associated to p804 p803
<houkime>
and one of tyhem is square O,,,,O
<Joerg-Neo900>
we tested pogopins as alternative for the C-springs there, in V1
<houkime>
was it a success?
<Joerg-Neo900>
nevermind, make them C-springs
<Joerg-Neo900>
well, it worked but it's complicated and expensive
<houkime>
ok.
<houkime>
gonna sleep for now.
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<Joerg-Neo900>
houkime: many many thanks for your great work! I appreciate very much your way to share your thoughts in here, it's the way I would like every engineer does approach such task. When you actually need a info from me that blocks you from progressing and I don't reply, please highlight me to make me aware of the pending question
<Joerg-Neo900>
likewise I will read all your comments and share my thoughts and memories if relevant
<Joerg-Neo900>
...if relevant or when I think I can help understanding this complex monster
<Joerg-Neo900>
please don't hesitate to mention _everything_ that looks strange or not entirely plausible to you, like this FM_TX_M thing. It's clearly a flaw in our schematics that should have been fixed
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<Joerg-Neo900>
hope he reads the chanlog
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<Juesto>
oh?
<Juesto>
Joerg-Neo900: so how is progress coming, a bit lazy to read and theres been quite a noise so... summary i guess?
<Juesto>
a bit tired too
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<Joerg-Neo900>
houkime picked up in the layout task
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<craftyguy>
\o/
<Juesto>
neat
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<enyc>
and houkime apparently picking up many errors
<enyc>
the questios is, when layout made, how to get layout checked by other ees, for examctly those reasos?
<Joerg-Neo900>
enyc: not really
<Joerg-Neo900>
do you really think there are many errors in our stuff?
<Joerg-Neo900>
enyc: layout check will get done by me and then by reality
<sicelo>
:)
<Joerg-Neo900>
unless by that time we can't afford even that
<Joerg-Neo900>
there been a limited fund for R&D and it was calculated to just suffice when metacollin would have finished the job in december as promised
<Joerg-Neo900>
then kickstarted been planned, with the proto_v2 to show off
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<enyc>
Joerg-Neo900: i expcet anything omplex to get errors
<enyc>
basically
<enyc>
good luck =)
<enyc>
What's been happenig about that fun with process for soldering PoP etc...?
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<ravelo>
enyc: Joerg is of the opinion that this problem is easy to solve, simply by doing more test runs
<ravelo>
(PoP soldering)
<Joerg-Neo900>
it is
<Joerg-Neo900>
there been a million N9 built successfully with exactly those chips
<Joerg-Neo900>
it's just an economical problem, no technical one
<houkime>
placed P804 (it is a pad and not spring, converted), G301-303, wrote simple .ods to convert v1 coordinates to v2 anchored on hole position average.
<Joerg-Neo900>
hi houkime! seen chanlog of last night?
<Joerg-Neo900>
:-)
<houkime>
have already
<Joerg-Neo900>
P804 is FM antenna, right?
<houkime>
yep it is a receiving pad on the n900.
<houkime>
fmtx -
<Joerg-Neo900>
yep, the FM TX is a brass loop antenna with two springs touching pads on PCB
<houkime>
yep, they are in different directions actually.
<houkime>
on the n900
<Joerg-Neo900>
:nod:
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<Joerg-Neo900>
you're awesome
<houkime>
though have no idea how to better depict this on silk.
<Joerg-Neo900>
nold bar on teh "hinge side" of silkscreen rect?
<Joerg-Neo900>
bold*
<houkime>
ok.
<Joerg-Neo900>
:-)
<houkime>
although i don't have n900 legacy c-spring dimensions to draw a rect.
<ravelo>
I hope those changes will reach repository also :)
<Joerg-Neo900>
use the dimensions from highes bareboard scans
<Joerg-Neo900>
they are very precise, and for C-springs it's not critical at all
<houkime>
ok.
<Joerg-Neo900>
ravelo: this is a 'change' about footprints and sure I hope houkime will eventually push
<houkime>
i will push as soon as atk has stuff repaired and gives me pushing powers.
<Joerg-Neo900>
we might want to create a branch or repo for you - no git expert here, need to discuss this with atk and werner
<houkime>
I have my local hk_layout branch for now.
<Joerg-Neo900>
:nod:
<Joerg-Neo900>
might suffice
<Joerg-Neo900>
branch sounds good
<ravelo>
ok
<Joerg-Neo900>
just no unsolicited merge please
<Joerg-Neo900>
atk: ^^^ please read
<atk>
yes I see
<Joerg-Neo900>
ta :-)
<atk>
I can create a special branch for houkime to push to which is part of ee-full
<Joerg-Neo900>
sounds excellent
<houkime>
good.
<Joerg-Neo900>
atk: I think we got ACL on newbie? could you add an account for houkime (needed for git anyway, I guess) and add read/write permissions to /stuff/ and $HOME
<atk>
houkime doesn't need an actual account, he already has a gitolite account
<Joerg-Neo900>
hmm
<atk>
and you can control the access via that
<Joerg-Neo900>
ok, so we postpone shell access
<atk>
give me a few minutes and I'll get the branch working
<Joerg-Neo900>
great
<houkime>
thx
<atk>
houkime: please get your master branch up to date and rebase against it, those patches should be back in there btw so the rebase should just work
<houkime>
ok.
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<atk>
houkime: you can create remote branches prefixed with houkime/
<atk>
so you can git push origin/houkime/whatever local-branch
<houkime>
yep, conflicts here, probably will need to
* Joerg-Neo900
feels that migraine again, that nasty git migraine
<Joerg-Neo900>
;-)
<Joerg-Neo900>
as long as yu guys are fine with it :-)
<houkime>
it is just that kicad files are not 100% well-mixable by git.
<Joerg-Neo900>
we are well aware of that
<Joerg-Neo900>
git is not made for anything but really c sources
<Joerg-Neo900>
and kicad has nasty hiccups
<Joerg-Neo900>
resorting files for schematics completely when you just edit one D5 -> D15
<Joerg-Neo900>
or move one wire
<Joerg-Neo900>
kicad serialization is sort of non-deterministic
<Joerg-Neo900>
but you can't simply cat *.sch|sort either
<Joerg-Neo900>
eeshow is as good as it gets
<houkime>
have you written an issue on this?
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<Joerg-Neo900>
meh, nobody cares, everybody is aware
<Joerg-Neo900>
they got bigger fish to fry on #kicad
<Joerg-Neo900>
look, it could be worse: kicad not using binary format project files at least
<Joerg-Neo900>
when I'm extremely bored, I might write a kicad file prettyprinter reformatting the context into something basically context-insensitive
<Joerg-Neo900>
then you could sort and (if needed) convert back to something kicad can digest
<Joerg-Neo900>
I pondered if netlists are less random. at least you could compare two schematics like this
<Joerg-Neo900>
on a logic level
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<houkime>
fatal: 'origin/houkime/hk_layout' does not appear to be a git repository
<Joerg-Neo900>
I eanted about all this in #kicad several times. Try suggesting XML there and run for the asbestos underwear ;-)
<Joerg-Neo900>
ranted*
<Joerg-Neo900>
they prefer context sensitive syntax over proper XML
<houkime>
oh i guess i know where is my mistake
<houkime>
sorry
<houkime>
nope
<atk>
houkime: what are you running?
<houkime>
no rights it seems.
<atk>
gitolite access command seems to not complain