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<Juesto> still not good shape
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<Juesto> ugh....
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<atk> darn, always happens in the middle of the night when I'm asleep
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<houkime> maybe some other connectors are also possible. If only there are narrower connectors. The most important is keeping stacking height of 4.3-4.5 mm. Checking out digikey.
<houkime> Ahh... And I might need to evacuate myself from my country soon because living here becomes real dangerous.
<houkime> This means that i will need to find some better job and spend on it more time to survive.
<houkime> Which kinda limits my opensource efforts right at the time when i'm doing sth interesting.
<houkime> Dammit.
<houkime> dunno how much time I have left. A month, maybe? If a month then I might be able to fullfill my "1-month dedication promise" to Joerg.
<houkime> 5-th of May might be my MIA day. Gonna do thing faster.
<houkime> connector footprint needs to be atmost 5 mm wide, otherwise it won't fit.
<houkime> and starting with 5 mm footprint it can even go to the neck of Bob
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<houkime> minimal found - 5.6 mm
<houkime> also there're 1 row simple stackers which are sort of an interesting variant.
<houkime> because 1-rows can fit anywhere.
<houkime> also I can't figure out where exactly this separating metal edge in the case lands.
<houkime> You see, bob has a postament in the vanilla N900
<houkime> and this postament actually allows
<houkime> to extend bob a little tiny bit
<houkime> like, 0.6
<houkime> now if we change connectors to JAE ones (5.6-wide), this will yield us another 0.4x2=0.8 mm
<houkime> and in summ our prize will be 1.4 mm
<houkime> esd width width minimal court is 1.2
<houkime> *with
<houkime> and this will allow us to protect 2 rows of signals... with another 2 rows remaining((
<houkime> HOWEVER if the maximum neck widt is actually around 6 mm as postament suggests
<houkime> then we can migrate one connector to the neck
<houkime> theoretically at least.
<houkime> HOWEVER this edge at the top of the case may as well land on postament, so IDK.
<houkime> wpwrak: what do you think?
<houkime> btw do you have an
<houkime> N900 at the hand?
<houkime> if you have the phone you can actually check where edge lands with a modelling clay.
<houkime> just put a little bit on the edge of the bob postament andd it will recieve a mark if the metal edge lands.
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<houkime> ok, usb connector is seems low enough to put an esd above it.
<houkime> rechecked case. hardly a way to accurately determine correspondence between case coords and pcb ones.
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<houkime> mounting holes though may save me
<houkime> although they seems to be in the wrong quantity. hmm. Think 3 of them do correspond.
<houkime> case scan seems to be a tiiny little bit rotated though. Not horizontal.
<houkime> and fourth hole is floating because it's oval on pcb side.
<houkime> Man, need to squeeze some accuracy out of this. Ok.
<DocScrutinizer51> hez, we van amke a 2layer with socket abd B2Bconn footprints and driils onlz, and then check if postions work out. Those are protos still ;)
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<houkime> the thing is, as joerg said me, this was a purpose of v1. However, In the test logs i found no evidence of bob being tested and the bob in cvt-v1 files simply can't be true because it has either inverted layering or mirrored edges.
<DocScrutinizer51> I also sid I'm not sure about bob anymore
<DocScrutinizer51> we did this in eagle and Nikolaus was the only one who worked on it
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<DocScrutinizer51> we had no git back when
<DocScrutinizer51> I'm trying to keep track of everyting but sometimes reports by others are all I get to know
<houkime> I think mechanical testing will be necessary once I got a solution to this nasty problem anyway because now we have 2 conns instead of one... and they hardly fit. Actually, they are not, considering esd.
<DocScrutinizer51> ou may move ESD from BoB to LOWER if that helps
<DocScrutinizer51> except for the I2C bus shared between HB and BoB compnents
<DocScrutinizer51> actually Werner and I discussed whether to put TVS on BOB or LOWER, I said BOB would be better if feasible
<DocScrutinizer51> if not feasible, proceed according to best EE practice and place then as close to impact point as possble, and before the trace raches any other active component
<DocScrutinizer51> and don't route unprotected signal traces (*after* TVS) in close distabce to the trace from impact point to TVS
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<DocScrutinizer51> wprst case that means for I2C that you have two bus segments running from impact point and need to protect both, aka 2 TVS on each of both I2C lines
<houkime> ok.
<DocScrutinizer51> try it in layout first, I'll adapt the schematics when it pans out
<houkime> You'll need kicad5 for that, but ok.
<DocScrutinizer51> ugh, why? schematics are kicad4
<houkime> they changed sth and they are now incompat
<DocScrutinizer51> rhats why I want to keep schem kicad4
<DocScrutinizer51> until kicad5 has a stable release
<DocScrutinizer51> can't do such a project on rolling toolbox
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<DocScrutinizer51> we defined 4.dunno kicad as the kicad reference implementation everybody needs to stay comaptible with since we can't play a game of 'my nightlies are 2 weeks newer than yours, please update your environment", particularly since we don't store the kicad sources with each git commit.
<DocScrutinizer51> metacollin came up with 'kicad5 needed *for layout* since rounded pads etc' but we don't break kicad4 schem compatibility for that
<DocScrutinizer51> there's nothing mandatory in kicad5 schematics
<DocScrutinizer51> and shematics are considered readonly for layouter
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<houkime> ok, you'll need to backimport my footprint associations then.
<houkime> and redo changes for rf taps that are undecided in your version, cause I have tweaked a symbol for them to accomodate for a switch nature.
<houkime> couldn't afford undecided stuff without fp and with wrong pins. Sorry
<DocScrutinizer51> appreciated, no worries, sorry for the hassle but we need to be conservative about the tools
<DocScrutinizer51> if we're lucky, kicas soon will roll a stable release 5 and we may upgrade the project base
<DocScrutinizer51> or - let me dream a bit - that skunkworks project to reimplement kicad anew from scratch, doing it right this time, will eventually thrive and fruit
<houkime> the name of this project?
<DocScrutinizer51> ask in #kicad, I forgot. They had a FN channel
<houkime> ok
<DocScrutinizer51> they key points iirc were a decent normalized onject hierarchy model and a strict separation of core engine and guy, by an API that is basically fit by design for recording sessions and scripting, in a way like 'only string parameters get transferred between GUI layer and core engine"
<DocScrutinizer51> do my posts get truncayed? last word of last was >core engine'<
<DocScrutinizer51> truncated
<houkime> nope, in all their glory
<DocScrutinizer51> :)
<houkime> and yep, scan is rotated a little. 0.12 degrees, enough to produce a 0.5 mm error. Including to a transform.
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<houkime> looks like you're talking about horizon EDA?
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