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<DocScrutinizer05> morning ceene
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<ahycka> hi :)
<ahycka> ping ceene
<DocScrutinizer05> hi ahycka :-)
<ceene> pong ahycka
<DocScrutinizer05> hi ceene
<ceene> hi, doc
<ahycka> hi DocScrutinizer05
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<DocScrutinizer05> amatus: ^^^
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<saper> Gefahrgut
<DocScrutinizer05> yeah, fools
<DocScrutinizer05> 2 weeks ago a package with 24 of those boxes arrived at me, from china
<saper> well, lion batteries can be transported under certain conditions
* saper needs to dig out his copy of IATA 54 DGR
<DocScrutinizer05> obviously I didn't meet those
<DocScrutinizer05> saper: much appreciated
<saper> of course they can't check every shipment, but at least few planes got diverted due to burning batteries on board, not to count Boeing 787 problems
<DocScrutinizer05> yeah, I know
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<DocScrutinizer05> it's not entirely insane, however they should come up with clear regulations and recommendations what to do
<saper> to handle certain dangerous goods you need to have trained personnel and learn how to prepare shipments
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<DocScrutinizer05> dangerous like a BL-5J battery
<saper> I've only had a 9/10 class DGR training which is pretty easy but that's not enough to run shipments like this
<DocScrutinizer05> whatever that means, it sounds insane
<saper> well, you can bring BL-5J on board of the passenger aircraft, but you should not check them in the luggage. Actually LiOn regulations were changing every 6 months or so because it's hard to figure out what to do and not to apply some insane rules.
<DocScrutinizer05> yep. And they changed some 8 weeks ago once again
<DocScrutinizer05> I just wonder in which channel I discussed this
<saper> even flowers are qualified as dangerous goods and there are limits how much can be loaded and how it should be prepared
<DocScrutinizer05> errrrrr
<DocScrutinizer05> wow
<DocScrutinizer05> the dangerous man eating flowers from Mars
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<amatus> verdammt!
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<DocScrutinizer05> aaaah [Fri 04 March 2016] [08:51:02] <DocScrutinizer05> then the mere mass aka weight of the sand has to dissipate all the energy, without heating up next cell to >40°C
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<DocScrutinizer05> [2016-03-04 Fri 07:54:45] <wpwrak> ah, speaking of shipping, did you see this ? http://avherald.com/h?article=49460e5c
<DocScrutinizer05> [2016-03-04 Fri 07:55:40] <wpwrak> (new restrictions on shipping lithium batteries)
<DocScrutinizer05> [2016-03-04 Fri 07:57:02] <DocScrutinizer05> eeew
<DocScrutinizer05> [2016-03-04 Fri 07:59:26] <wpwrak> nothing too nasty so far, just something to keep in mind
<DocScrutinizer05> [2016-03-04 Fri 07:59:54] <wpwrak> i guess some day they'll get summarily banned, though
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<DocScrutinizer05> I guess I will ship this one without battery, and try to find out which darn form to fill to confirm the battery got discharged to 30% and whatnot
<DocScrutinizer05> >>Waren des täglichen Bedarfs wie Reinigungsmittel, Aerosole, alkoholhaltige Kosmetika oder Medizin und bestimmte elektronische Ausrüstungsgegenstände sind Gefahrgut. Wenn sie beabsichtigen diese Waren aus persönlichen oder geschäftlichen Gründen zu versenden und sich über die Deklaration des Gefahrguts nicht sicher sind, kontaktieren sie vor Versand über den Kundendienst die DHL Gefahrgutexperten.<< http://www.dhl.de/de/express/
<DocScrutinizer05> versenden/versandberatung/gefahrgut.html
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<DocScrutinizer05> http://www.dhl.de/content/dam/dhlde/downloads/express/produkte-und-anleitungen/dhl-express-gefahrgut-versand-042016.pdf >>Erlaubt: ... Lithiumbatterien (UN3091, UN3481) nach Sektion II der IATA-DGR Verpackungsvorschrift 966 - 967 und 969 – 970<< whatever THAT means
<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: IATA-DGR 966 et al?
<DocScrutinizer05> UN 3481, Lithium ion batteries packed with equipment.
<DocScrutinizer05> here we are: >> They must be contained in a UN specification packaging as prescribed by the applicable packing instruction in the DGR. A completed package must display a Class 9 hazard label in addition to markings that identify the applicable proper shipping name and UN number. A shipper must document the shipment using a Shipper’s Declaration for Dangerous Goods.<<
<DocScrutinizer05> questions: what's >>a UN specification packaging as prescribed by the applicable packing instruction in the DGR<<, and >>Class 9 hazard label<<, and >>applicable proper shipping name<<
<DocScrutinizer05> >> Lithium ion and lithium metal cells and batteries that meet the Watt-hour or lithium content limits set out in Section II of PI 965 and PI 968 respectively, but that exceed the weight or quantity limits set out in Table 956-II or Table 968-II are subject to all of the applicable requirements in the DGR except for the requirements for UN specification packagings.<<
* DocScrutinizer05 headdesks
<ds2> can't you just ship them by donkey caravan ? :D
<DocScrutinizer05> I'm pretty sure I can ship them even by airmail, given I find 5 others to help me dig through 10 dozen documents in parallel
<ds2> yes but the labeling, declarations, etc.... ARRRRRRRRG is the summary
<DocScrutinizer05> The requirements applicable are as follows: ... (b) limitations on consolidations for lithium metal batteries (DGR 1.3.3 and 9.1.8);
<DocScrutinizer05> (e) strong outer packagings (see Section IB of applicable packing instruction);
<ds2> DocScrutinizer05: I wonder if it might be cheaper to get the cells made into "Li Ion flash lights" and ship that. IIRC - installed in products are treated totally differently
<DocScrutinizer05> please see the photo, they returned the parcel incorrectly stating "battery *in* equipment"
<xman> DocScrutinizer05: Hey Doc, how hard on a scale of 1-10 10 being hardest is soldering on a new micro usb port? It's weird I started having port issues lately even though I did a solder reenforcement.
<DocScrutinizer05> hmm, depends on amount of damage already done, and the equipment you have access to
<DocScrutinizer05> I'd say medium, so 5
<DocScrutinizer05> given you have stuff like a hot air rework tool and solderpaste, flux, etc
<xman> I don't have a heat station sadly. But a good iron, magnifying lamp a holder and other stuff. I'm solder small smt stuff, just not too often.
<DocScrutinizer05> ~usbfix
<infobot> somebody said usbfix was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt
<xman> solderpaste yes, flux yes
<DocScrutinizer05> then you should be fine, maybe using some cheating like 5mm long thin wires
<DocScrutinizer05> first of all you need to remove the old jack without damaging the PCB
<DocScrutinizer05> which is possibly more involved than soldering a new one on
<xman> cool, thx. "5mm long thin wires"?
<xman> yeah I agree
<DocScrutinizer05> to connect the jack's pins to the PCB pads
<xman> I love the eevblog, btw :D
<xman> I see that what I thought, but want to be sure
<DocScrutinizer05> to unmount the old jack you prolly need a dremel with buzzsaw to cut the steel roof from the jack so you can get to the pins
<xman> I actually got my hakko and meter after watching some of his reviews.
<DocScrutinizer05> then cut the pins with scissors
<xman> hmm, good idea. no going back from that ..lol
<DocScrutinizer05> then unsolder the complete jack by heating up the jack's body until the solder joints melt
<DocScrutinizer05> finally remove the 5 pins from the pads
<DocScrutinizer05> that's what I would try
<DocScrutinizer05> or rather, I prolly first would try hot air
<xman> another great idea. Sadly no dremel right now.
<DocScrutinizer05> first of all inspect the jack's contacts, if there's debris or dirt or whatever
<xman> okay, I need to first make sure it's not something easier like dirt or corrosion on the port. I just realized that I've had my phone in too much moisture since it shows a little in some areas. Not back, but worth a clean up and check.
<xman> haha you beat me too it
<xman> okay will do when I have time, thank. Just need a second option of sorts. Will try it when I have time … which sadly not much right now.
<DocScrutinizer05> anyway unsoldering the 5 electrical pins without tearing off the pads from PCB for sure is the most demanding part, closely followed by soldering them again
<xman> yeah, I may try some meter testing to see if I can pin point the issue. Probably wont work but could be quicker that a full solder job.
<DocScrutinizer05> plug in an old USB memstick or whatever, for weight, then heat the whole critter with hot air until it falls off the PCB by own weight
<DocScrutinizer05> do not apply any force beyond those 10 to 20g from that USB dongle
<xman> yeah, I should really get one for future projects.
<xman> good point
<DocScrutinizer05> Aten AT858D iirc
<xman> If I plan on working on laptop, phone, other smallish device with double sided SMT then I guess it needed.
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<DocScrutinizer05> Atten 858D
<DocScrutinizer05> not bad
<DocScrutinizer05> and I prefer it over those designs that have a rubber hose for the air coming from the station to the handset
<DocScrutinizer05> even nice to heat your pizza in the box, simply by feeding 90°C hot air in through one of the holes the box usually has ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05> keeps that piza warm for hours
<DocScrutinizer05> removing sticky tape, shrinking shrinktube, whatnot else. Really a device you wonder how you had done without it once you get it
<DocScrutinizer05> ok, 110°C, 90° is out of range
<xman> pizza haha pizza heater. Thx for the recommending the model. can't do it now, but will make a note for the future.
<xman> It's not too expensive either.
<DocScrutinizer05> (pizza) works even for two when you set max airflow and adjust the two boxes carefuly so the holes touch
<DocScrutinizer05> (not expensive) which been the whole point why I got it, to start with. Thanks to xes recommending it
<xman> haha, you can add it to your kitchen tools
<wpwrak> (avherald) the bureaucrats were quicker than i expected ;-)
<xman> Funny for some reason I thought the air goes through the cable .. lol. It's amazing that they get that heat from suck a small area.
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: before going through all the countless forms and regulations (i mean, the people who make this stuff work full-time on it. just imagine how much regulatory text you could produce in that time.), perhaps a call to dhl, fedex, or ups may help. sometimes, what is completely impossible and entirely out of the question with one carrier ends up being disdainfully easy with another ...
<DocScrutinizer05> evildragon suggested UPS, allegedly "just works"
<wpwrak> i wouldn't be surprised :)
<DocScrutinizer05> [2016-05-14 Sat 01:23:08] <EvilDragon> It's the reason you cannot order any products in my shop that have batteries anymore with any other delivery service except for UPS.
<wpwrak> i had one such case. don't remember what it was. i think i went to fedex first. they told me they can't do it but that i should ask at another courier service. i suspected they had just said that to make me go away, but it turned out to be good advice. and i think it was ups who then accepted the shipment without fuss.
<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: >>Let the IATA LBSG (3rd Edition) guide you step by step through the shipping process. It’s everything you need to safely and efficiently prepare lithium battery shipments in compliance with international air transport regulations. NEW and NOW available...<< >> Buy Online: Media: Web Online Edition: 2016 Language: English Regular Price: US$ 189. SAVE $49! Special Offer: US $140.<<
<DocScrutinizer05> they must have a terrible parasite in their brains