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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<nydel> morning & good lambda to you
<beach> Thanks.
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<whoman> oh boy. "understanding one macro does not yield to understanding all of macrology, any more than understanding a particular formula of a particular theorum yields to understanding the whole of mathematics."
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<beach> whoman: Where is that quotation from?
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<antoszka> Book of the Prophets, Ez. 4,1.
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<whoman> beach, i reworked it from just below here: https://letoverlambda.com/index.cl/guest/chap3.html#sec_6
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<beach> I see.
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<whoman> kind of also like saying : understanding a programming language, does not mean understanding the program written with it
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<Posterdati> hi
<pjb> hi
<Posterdati> please how can I overwrite a line with format? Thanks
<pjb> This is not a feature of format.
<pjb> The best way to do it, would be to use cl-charms (ncurses).
<pjb> However, in practice, you may also make some implementation dependent assumptions.
<Posterdati> ok
<pjb> Like, if your implementation writes ASCII bytes converted from your character, then you could use the semi-standard character name #\return.
<loke> Posterdati: You _might_ be able to do it by sending a CR.
<loke> What pjb syas
<loke> says
<Posterdati> #\Return ??
<pjb> (format t "Foo Bar Baz~CBar~%" #\return)
<pjb> Yes, if it is available, it's its name.
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<Posterdati> it prints ^M
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<pjb> #+#.(cl:if (cl:ignore-errors (cl:read-from-string "#\\return")) '(:and) '(:or)) (format t "Foo Bar Baz~CBar~%" #\return)
<pjb> Posterdati: yes, I forgot to mention the condition: if your terminal interprets it.
<pjb> Posterdati: ie. not in slime!
<Posterdati> I am in slime
<Posterdati> !
<Posterdati> ok
<pjb> Posterdati: So you have to use a I/O layer with #+swank/#-swank
<pjb> check this nasium-lse project for more example about this.
<Posterdati> yes
<Posterdati> thanks
<pjb> There's also another way: you can open a xterm from a running program. So even if you use swank/slime, you can still open an xterm and send it ECMA-048 control sequences.
<pjb> But it relies on implementation specific features, to open a pipe to the xterm and make a stream of it.
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<makomo> is there anything in CL like haskell's mapConcat?
<makomo> map a function over multiple lists, concatenate the resuting lists and return that
<jackdaniel> (reduce 'append (mapcar 'foo list-1 list-2)) ;?
<makomo> err, mapping over one list at a time
<makomo> unless i'm mistaken about how MAPCAR (& co.) work?
<makomo> from what i understand, if you give MAPCAR multiple lists it calls the function by passing it all of the current heads at the same time
<jackdaniel> yes
<jackdaniel> and what do you want to do? one after another?
<makomo> an example of what i want would be (map-concat #'1+ '(1 2 3) '(4 5 6)) == (2 3 4 5 6 7)
<makomo> jackdaniel: yes
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<jackdaniel> I think there isn't something builtin
<jackdaniel> (mapcar #'1+ (flatten list-1 list-2 …))
<jackdaniel> or not flatten, append rather
<makomo> jackdaniel: ah that's much nicer, i was going to do it with a loop
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<alandipert> makomo i think mapcat =~ mapConcat/flatMap
<alandipert> err, mapcan
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* alandipert scrolls up and sees thats not exactly what you want though
<makomo> yeah :-)
<alandipert> another related thing is the nconc keyword in loop macro
<alandipert> just ran across it the other day, pretty weird. of course i'm in the loop macro fetish camp, ymmv
<makomo> hm, coming back to what i said, i think i might have described it in a wrong way
<makomo> i'll report back soon
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<Xach_> Well, vecto just grew a bunch of handy but undocumented capability.
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<Shinmera> Xach_: Making more gif-creator websites?
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<Xach_> Shinmera: yes. but i want to share the code and it's easier if some unlumped stuff is lumped.
<jmercouris> Xach_: Why are you working on a gif-creator website?
<rme> fame and fortune, obviously
<jmercouris> lol
<Xach_> jmercouris: I find it fun
<Xach_> jmercouris: i made one 10 years ago and sold it a couple years ago and i miss making them.
<jmercouris> If you made one gif making website, why did you make another?
<jmercouris> are they completely different concepts or just iterations of the same tool?
* Shinmera just realised he doesn't find any of his projects particularly fun and wonders why
<Shinmera> *of his own
<Xach_> jmercouris: I had a site that had 10 or so graphics toys on it, and I sold the whole set together, and I've been making smaller new ones since then.
<rme> jmercouris: I could also ask why are you working on a web browser?
<jmercouris> rme: I'm not working on several versions of a web browser though :D
<Xach_> jmercouris: each gif generator does something different
<jmercouris> Xach_: So basically it's not about the gif making websites, about making gif effects?
<jmercouris> Right yeah, that's what I was about to say
<Xach_> I gave a lightning talk on the topic at ILC 2009. Guy Steele introduced me. Pretty thrilling.
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<Xach_> (he introduced every lightning talker and knew none of them, but still a thrill)
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<rme> I was very pleased when he said "good job" to me.
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<rme> That was a kind gesture.
<jmercouris> Ok, makes sense
<jmercouris> I had the impression that you were just making giphy clones over and over again
<jmercouris> and was wondering what exactly would be interesting about that :D
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<Xach_> I was pretty close to selling my first generator to icanhazcheezburger.com to power their stuff. that would have been cool.
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<jmercouris> That would have been pretty cool
<jmercouris> I think the gif train is over though, these days seems to be moving to gifv
<jmercouris> have you been playing with mp4s etc?
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<Shinmera> Format doesn't really matter, you can just throw it through ffmpeg
<Xach_> i had just read an article about how they were charging something like $1000/week for ad units and they had a lot of ad units, so i asked for a lot of money too. but they didn't want to pay.
* Xach_ waxes nostalgic
<rme> It is really satisfying to see people use a tool you have worked on to make something new and cool.
<lerax> Xach_: a lot of money... how much?
<lerax> rme: indeed.
<Xach_> rme: https://twitter.com/inconvergent got me back on the kick. he uses vecto, i think. (in much more arty ways than i ever did)
<Xach_> lerax: I think I asked for $6,000
<AJavaIdiot> hi guys
<rme> He's making great stuff.
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<AJavaIdiot> Can someone help me understand what fexprs do that a normal expression can't do?
<AJavaIdiot> pretend I'm living up to my name
<lerax> Xach_: really this seems a lot of money. xD I'm a poor programmer. With $6.000 where I live I can buy a new house xD
<lerax> * $6,000 *