<oliv3r>
well most of the time, china stores list on ebay
<libv>
the a23 situation should become clearer in the next month
<oliv3r>
yeah
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<hramrach>
a13 certainly does not have hdmi so it cannot feasibly be a13 if it has
<oliv3r>
a23 with 1gb ram for a tablet is still nsweet
<hramrach>
but most of the HDMI tablets on aliexpress don't actually have one. It's just bogus description and photos of plain cheap tablet
<hramrach>
1GB is better than 512
<hramrach>
there are a few that list 1GB
<oliv3r>
a23's? i dunno if a23 does 1gb
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<oliv3r>
my a10 tablet has hdmi connector, tried it once, didn't work
<hramrach>
but Ih ave no idea if that's correct or just another piece of bogus description
<hramrach>
I dunno if a23 does 1GB either but would make sense to bump it a bit
<hramrach>
that .5GB is getting limiting
<vector80>
Hi there, I am trying many many rootfs on my interra3 board, but except debian, I couldn't find any one that works out of the box... Too strange...
<hramrach>
what is broken?
<vector80>
I am testing via TFTP - NFS booting
<hramrach>
if that's board you made blame yourself it does not work :p
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<vector80>
For all ubuntu rootfs'es
<hramrach>
it works for me on a10 and a20
<vector80>
I am copying FIRMWARE and MODULES directories
<vector80>
and plymount allways fails during boot
<hramrach>
but I use debian rootfs I built myself
<hramrach>
yes, plymouth fails. That's normal
<hramrach>
it cannot deal with not having an initramfs I guess
<hramrach>
you should be able to boot without plymouth
<vector80>
I am booting some of the rootfs normally
<oliv3r>
vector80: fedora's image usualyl works extremly well
<vector80>
such as I currently downloaded one from linaro website
<oliv3r>
vector80: i've done a debootsrap of ubuntu which works just fine too
<vector80>
hold on a second
<hramrach>
if you like experimenting try to make an initramfs using the ubuntu/debian tools and boot using that
<hramrach>
then plymputh scripts should be included there and it might work
<oliv3r>
alip rootfs; i used that too, works fine, but requires some uEnv.txt massaging
<vector80>
You are extremely helpfull, thank you very much for that
<vector80>
I am not a professional about these, so, for a beginner, lets go one by one
<vector80>
LEt me explain what I have done
<vector80>
Firstly, I started experimenting with debian,
<vector80>
Boot from Sdcard, boot from eMMC, boot from TFTP-NFS ... all is working very very stable and nice
<vector80>
However, I was not happy with debian only ad only two reason:
<vector80>
1) it was using sysV type init, so it takes around 15-20 seconds to boot
<vector80>
2) its UI was very very buggy, many things was not working.
<vector80>
But as a headless system, currently it seems the best one
<vector80>
Later, I decided to try ubuntu
<vector80>
I downloaded this one: ubuntu-core-12.04.3-core-armhf.tar.gz
<vector80>
And extract it to one NFS folder
<vector80>
and boot it
<vector80>
It booted withing 6-7 seconds
<vector80>
except many things in the init ( such as plymouth), it also seemed to work fine.... but... There is no display manager ( even no lightdm )
<vector80>
So I decided to heck out Cubieboard rootfses
<oliv3r>
i found xubuntu to be 'prettier' but hansg's fedora is far the best done
<vector80>
hansg website doen't open here ?
<binaryferret>
I just replace some of it with latest kernel build and modules that arn't included.
<oliv3r>
vector80: it probably boots so fast, because it doesn't start X :p
<binaryferret>
Works like a storm.
<oliv3r>
vector80: you probably have to disable certain services
<vector80>
I already built sunxi kernel succesfully
<vector80>
and using that kernel perfectly with debian
<vector80>
I love sunxi kernel, but of course many things seems to give warnings during boot, and android kernel ( 3.4.39 ) does not have these warnings during boot....
<vector80>
but anyway, it is good to have such kernel anyway
<vector80>
oliv3r: debian rootfs also doesn't start X, but I think because of sysV type init is causing slowness
<oliv3r>
vector80: you can always hide thewarnings and pretend they are not there :p
<oliv3r>
vector80: sysV probably is quite slow
<oliv3r>
vector80: but try fedora, it usees systemD
<vector80>
oliv3r: Actually, I am scared that sunxi kernel is not well tested with eMMC
<vector80>
I am still trying to persuade my manager :( bu he is too busy to think about that....
<oliv3r>
emmc is 100% identical to MMC
<vector80>
Ok, firstly, that hansg website does not open here
<oliv3r>
since sunxi only supports mmc; i'm pretty sure it's the only tested option :)
<vector80>
Can you open that website there?
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<hramrach>
vector80: on jessie it will be possible to have sysvinit and systemd at the same time, probably
<vector80>
Ok, so, only two folders right, firmware and modules... both are under /lib/ folder... nothing more, right? (because I am booting script.bin and uImage from TFTP )
<hramrach>
but on wheezy installing systemd or upstart just replaces sysvinit
<vector80>
I am on wheezy now
<hramrach>
as for UI bugs - you probably need to spend some time tuning the installation or use a pre-built rootfs to ahve smooth UI experience
<vector80>
installing systemd because upstart installation has failed
<hramrach>
you did not say what issues you have so hard to tell
<vector80>
I am so sorry, I am trying to write qquickly like you, but I can't write it soo quickly, typing and checking ans pasting.. all takes time, sorry
<vector80>
Now it seems systemd is intalled, shall I reboot ?
<hramrach>
I don't know why it's a problem. worked for me on fresh debootstrapped rootfs
<hramrach>
yes, rebootin is a good idea to check the system is still bootable
<vector80>
booting kernel...
<vector80>
it has booted exactly same as before
<vector80>
around 20 seconds
<hramrach>
for me upstart was much faster but did not test systemd on AW hardware
<vector80>
should I change some configuration file or something for systemd to take effect ?
<vector80>
This one is my interra3 ( A20-1GbyteDRAM-8Gbyte SANDISK eMMC) board , booting from TFTP + NFS from LAN as you see...
<vector80>
I still feel I am doing something wrong... still couldn't figure out what is it..
<hramrach>
INIT: version 2.88 booting
<hramrach>
that's sysvinit
<vector80>
I tested every hardware one by one,
<vector80>
yes,
<vector80>
as you see, I installed systemd just 2 mins ago
<vector80>
how to migrate to it?
<hramrach>
try searching for more systemd packages
<vector80>
ok
<hramrach>
there is something like systemd-sysv r something that replaces the sysvinit probably
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<hramrach>
vector80: also are you sure you don't have unstable repositories? upstart should install without any dependency issues in wheezy
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<hramrach>
and systemd from wheezy shouldl just replace sysvinit, only the unstable one required extra packages
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<vector80>
hramrach: , oliv3r: I am extremely sorry, suddenly I got an urgent task to do... Some big french customer need one presentation for my board... I have to prepare it right now... I am sorry, I will get back to you when I finish it... Again, many many thanks for your helps, see you
<hramrach>
# apt-get install upstart
<hramrach>
Reading package lists... Done
<hramrach>
Building dependency tree
<hramrach>
Reading state information... Done
<hramrach>
The following extra packages will be installed:
<oliv3r>
actually not really ;) but i like my craftsmanship
<libv>
oliv3r: yuck
<oliv3r>
lol
<oliv3r>
oh come on
<oliv3r>
it's not that bad :p;
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<oliv3r>
just wanna tuxify our slides a little
<oliv3r>
btw I don't think i can stay for your KMS tal; the others i'll make; but the KMS is probably to late; we have to get home in somewhat timley manner :(
<oliv3r>
which sucks bigtime; i know
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<libv>
oliv3r: i will sabotage the video and refuse to give out my slides :p
<libv>
oliv3r: i really dislike variations on tux, i guess it has to do with openchrome forking away from me
<libv>
creating a silvery version of tux was the last thing those guys really did
<libv>
everything else was even lower form
<libv>
if you really want to do an original logo, make it a play on sun-chi (fireball in the sky - dragon)
<libv>
but you shouldn't be doing this sort of thing _now_
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<oliv3r>
libv: hence a quick and ugly one; i'll add that to the 'what can you do' section
<oliv3r>
:)
<libv>
oliv3r: shouldn't
<libv>
"what you can do" be: buy a tablet and work through the howto?
<geecko>
oliv3r, aww :p
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<tzafrir>
I was hoping to start building a system with android kernel and linux userspace and move on from there
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<mnemoc>
tzafrir: why would you "hope" to build a system upon a gpl violating kernel instead of running a fully free/open system on your tablet?
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<tzafrir>
mnemoc, it's a start. Building a kernel comes later
<tzafrir>
One step at a time
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<mnemoc>
tzafrirthe android kernel won' t even give you an fbcon
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<tzafrir>
hmm... that's a big problem
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<torindel>
mnemoc: fbgetty ftw xD
<Seppoz>
when i use most recent u-boot from github for marsboard a10 i get:
<Seppoz>
SPL: Please implement spl_start_uboot() for your board
<Seppoz>
also in old descriptions it is said to use sunxi-spl.bin and in new ones its said to use u-boot-spl.bin, which one is the correct and whats the difference
<Seppoz>
when using u-boot-spl.bi it doesnt boot at all