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<Seppoz> is that searching all entries for port settings?
<Turl> looks like it
<Turl> go test the actual pins
<Seppoz> working on it
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<Seppoz> you might be right
<Seppoz> will have to run more tests tomorrow
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<DonkeyHotei> what is the current status of vanilla linux on the A10? A20? A31?
<DonkeyHotei> does nand boot work? are there usable gpu drivers? hardware codecs?
<Turl> wb DonkeyHotei, long time :)
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: you mean torvald's tree?
<DonkeyHotei> i mean non-android linux in general
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: well, A10 and A20 are well supported on our linux-sunxi 3.4 tree
<DonkeyHotei> sorry i've been away, but life threw tons of hurdles in my face
<DonkeyHotei> does nand boot work? are there usable gpu drivers? hardware codecs?
<Turl> nobody has paid much attention to A31 as it has a PowerVR GPU with not visible prospect to work with free sw
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: yeah, nand works, you need to use allwinner's bootloader though if you intend to boot from it
<Turl> as regards GPU as in OpenGL ES, you can use the mali blobs
<DonkeyHotei> allwinner has a non-android-linux-specific bootloader?
<Turl> X works with a bit of 2D acceleration if you use fbturbo
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: the android bootloader is just uboot
<Turl> you just need a different env, and that's it
<DonkeyHotei> you said "allwinner's bootloader"
<Turl> yeah, the ones allwinner ships on nand with their android images
<Turl> boot0->boot1->uboot
<Turl> as for video decoding, there's patched vlc and some other software to use the cedarx blobs
<DonkeyHotei> no community uboot? only allwinner's?
<Turl> free software wise, there's ongoing reverse engineering going, with great success so far
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: well, there's a branch on the community uboot, lichee-dev
<Turl> very few changes compared to aw's
<Turl> that's the only alternative atm if you need to boot from nand
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<Turl> you can use the community uboot to boot from mmc
<DonkeyHotei> it's forked from aw's?
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: yeah
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<DonkeyHotei> does it work from nand?
<Turl> yeah it does, chainloaded from boot0/1
<DonkeyHotei> same as aw's?
<Turl> it has minimal changes to be able to work with linux-sunxi
<DonkeyHotei> ok
<Turl> adjusted machid and fixed the passing of memory size via atags iirc
<DonkeyHotei> does it still support booting android too?
<Turl> yeah, it should
<DonkeyHotei> do the mali blobs work with X?
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: yeah, they do
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: just GL ES though
<Turl> (don't expect full GL)
<DonkeyHotei> is the hardware capable of more?
<Turl> I dunno, probably with some emulation
<Turl> libv may know
<DonkeyHotei> he's in an unfortunate time zone to ask
<Turl> lima is progressing nicely though
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: is zareason planning a zatab comeback?
<DonkeyHotei> you mentioned fbturbo, how does that figure into it?
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: it's an X driver faster than fbdev
<Turl> it can use G2D to accelerate 2D
<Turl> also has sunxi disp support, to use overlays and stuff
<DonkeyHotei> i haven't talked to them lately, but there is an A20 tab on their site
<Turl> Xv support using that iirc
<DonkeyHotei> why would you need fbdev at all if you have either the mali blobs or lima?
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: you need an X driver to drive the framebuffer
<Turl> lima/blobs just handle 3D acceleration
<Turl> forget about the GPU concept you got on the x86 world
<DonkeyHotei> there was never an X driver?
<Turl> hm?
<DonkeyHotei> lima never aimed to be an X driver?
<Turl> no
<Turl> lima is just in charge of accelerating 3D
<DonkeyHotei> so the whole gpu is nothing but a glorified framebuffer?
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: no
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: there's different modules, each doing something
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: there's G2D to accelerate 2D ops
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: Mali to accelerate 3D
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: the display engine that handles framebuffers and outputs to HDMI, VGA, etc
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<Turl> so lima talks with mali and accelerates your GLES ops
<Turl> you still need something to handle the framebuffer, and that's where fbturbo comes in
<Turl> fbturbo is like xserver-xorg-video-intel, lima is like the intel part of Mesa
<DonkeyHotei> sounds like a mess
<geecko> Turl, i thought xserver-xorg-video-intel was handling 2d acceleration?
<Turl> geecko: dunno really, but fbturbo also handles 2d accel (via G2D)
<geecko> i'd like to see lima running on Android some day.
<DonkeyHotei> my significant other is tired of lugging around a 14" laptop and i've been looking at aliexpress for allwinner-based tablets that can maybe run ubuntu
<geecko> it would be a giant step further for the #replicant project
<DonkeyHotei> i still have the mele A10 settop i never got around to really playing with
<geecko> will receive an A10s board in a few days :D
<DonkeyHotei> looking at aliexpress, i was unaware the A31 was a no-go
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: you can ask earl for a zatab :P
<DonkeyHotei> aliexpress has better specs atm
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: well, the og one wasn't that bad
<Turl> 1G ram and decent display
<DonkeyHotei> og?
<Turl> original
<DonkeyHotei> i see 2G ram 16G nand models on ali
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: sunxi ones with 2G?
<DonkeyHotei> yep
<Turl> they may not be sunxi :p
<Turl> many products there are mislabeled
<DonkeyHotei> i see them on ebay too
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<DonkeyHotei> they all seem to be A31, though
<DonkeyHotei> there are however some A20's with 1G ram 16G nand
<DonkeyHotei> the A31 units seem to have much better batteries, though
<DonkeyHotei> many claim to have a dual core A13 with 1G ram
<DonkeyHotei> oh crap, i just looked at Za's site and the current tab is A31
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<Turl> DonkeyHotei: :/
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: dual core A13 may be A23
<DonkeyHotei> does the A23 support 1G ram? i know the A13 doesn't
<Turl> dunno
<Turl> I think most of them come with 512 though
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<DonkeyHotei> Turl: and there's no hope for the A31 at all?
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: nobody has cared much for it so far
<Turl> and I don't think many here have A31 hw
<Turl> you can probably count them with one hand, if at all
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<DonkeyHotei> [Wed 2014-01-29 06:12:52 PM PST] <DonkeyHotei> Turl: and there's no hope for the A31 at all?
<DonkeyHotei> [Wed 2014-01-29 06:27:20 PM PST] * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer).
<DonkeyHotei> nvm, looked at the log site
<DonkeyHotei> the current zatab is A31
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<Turl> Seppoz: any luck testing the pins?
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<libv> Turl: android should use dpms as well, as it is a monitor standard, not a software standard :p
<Turl> libv: but they deal with builtin screens, not monitors :p
<Turl> anyway, xset dpms 0 0 60 worksforme on a tablet :)
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<libv> Turl: right, so they only badly messed up proper displays :)
<libv> just like they messed up DDC :)
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<libv> hrm, this guy holding a lightning talk about tizen sunxi...
<libv> all his repo at https://github.com/leon-anavi/tizen-sunxi contains is a link to an image.
<libv> that's just sick
<DonkeyHotei> there's no hardware for it anyway
<libv> DonkeyHotei: ?
<DonkeyHotei> tizen-capable sunxi devices
<libv> DonkeyHotei: what extra requirements does tizen have of the hardware?
<DonkeyHotei> being a phone?
<libv> DonkeyHotei: surely tizen is squarely aimed at any mobile device
<libv> whether it has a gsm/3g/lte module or not
<libv> anyway...
<libv> i don't think there is a lack of sunxi hw for tizen
<libv> there is a lack of useful projects
<DonkeyHotei> doubtful that would change
<libv> and we've had people before who rejected things just because they made an image using those things they rejected
<DonkeyHotei> sick, right
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<arete74> ls
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<geecko> guys what is so special about the 'fantasy' governor?
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<oliv3r> geecko: nothing :p
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<gzamboni> oliv3r, did you finish your slides ?
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<oliv3r> gzamboni: no :( very busy at work this week
<gzamboni> k, good luck, im leaving tomorow morning to Lille and i will meet you all at Fosdem. im finishing my watch list now
<plaes> argh.. olimexino plexiglass enclosure is too fragile :S
<wens> did you step on it? :S
<plaes> nope
<gzamboni> you-re talking about the lime one ? i didnt set it up yet but seems better than the cubieboard acrylic
<plaes> I was using drill to screw the bolts and it managed to fly away from my hands into another corner of the room and ended up as 5 pieces :)
<plaes> this one
<plaes> though I have different screws (really long :S
<gzamboni> so you did the helicopter with the case :P
<plaes> basically yes
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<ferar> hi, i have done editing new device page, how can i send that page for review?
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<Turl> ferar: it's a wiki, you can just edit it
<ferar> Turl: i did, however it is not complete, because neither u-boot-sunxi nor linux-sunxi are working
<libv> ferar: some anal bastard will look over it at some point or another
<ferar> libv: sounds pretty much like u ;)
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<libv> ferar: did you really just edit the device page example?
<ferar> libv: ignore what i type
<libv> ferar: _REALLY_?
<libv> ferar: you won.
<ferar> libv: no kidding
<libv> and you overwrote all image files as well.
<ferar> Turl: initially i asked for help for regarding booting this tablet from SD card on the forums
<libv> ferar: either you are insanely stupid, or you are insanely obnoxious
<ferar> then Lucky Luke mentioned politely that have to create a new device page
<libv> and then you went and maimed the example page and example images.
<ferar> libv: fuck of and go play with your mummy
<Wizzup> err
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<Turl> libv: needs more decent power strips
<libv> i don't have a mummy, i do have a devroom to organize and some talks to prepare
<libv> if you meant my mommy, well, that's a bit tough, as she's 700kms away.
<libv> Turl: i'm sorry to let you down in this area
<libv> Turl: but my sportsbag just isn't big enough to hold more
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<Turl> libv: you can just leave all those at home and get one with proper sockets >:D
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<libv> Turl: this is the eurozone :p
<libv> Turl: 8x10, 4x6, 4x3, and 38m of separate cabling :)
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<Turl> libv: I somehow can't revert the two placeholder pics
<Turl> the rest is fixed
<libv> ferar: you just lost all chance of getting any help, at all.
<libv> Turl: did you rescue the content?
<Turl> libv: I reverted it
<ferar> libv: f u c k ur ugly euro m um
<Turl> there's history though, it can be rescued
<libv> ferar: that's illegal where i live.
<Turl> ferar: please behave like an adult
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<ferar> Turl: he started it, thick incest by dna
<ferar> sick
<specing> 0.o
<libv> Turl: the front picture is from a vendor, so that should not be on our wiki
<ferar> Turl: right
<libv> Turl: smashing, thanks a lot
<libv> let me go try to recover those placeholder pics.
<libv> and then i'll lock those files and pages down as well
<libv> ah, i see you found the front
<libv> Turl: i'll leave you to it, i'll only get on your way
<libv> thanks
<ferar> what is this kind euro mafia or something?
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<specing> libv: hows lima going?
<libv> specing: watch the livestream from FOSDEM on sunday
<specing> theres FOSDEM on sunday?
<Turl> libv: should be all set
<specing> Where is FOSDEM this year?
<Turl> I was gonna unblock him under the condition that he doesn't mess up with other existing pages, but he left
<specing> so euro mafia :D
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<libv> specing: fosdem is always in the same location
<libv> Turl: wait a week, i see him liable to do further damage the next few days
<libv> i still am not sure whether he did that on purpose, but i see him capable of doing similar things now
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<Turl> libv: on the other hand, someone else has been following the NDH
<libv> yeah, jsmirl :)
<libv> he did some X stuff back in iirc, 2004
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<Turl> libv: it's an A31s
<libv> still, it's a good addition to our wiki, we have little code coverage, and even less wiki coverage on a31s
<libv> or even a31
<Turl> yeah, I'm just surprised
<Turl> I think this is the first a31s we hear of around here
<libv> i hope jon will end up submitting more of his toys now
<libv> i think he's amassed quite a collection by now
<DonkeyHotei> Turl: as i said last night, current ZaTab is A31
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<Turl> DonkeyHotei: A31s != A31
<DonkeyHotei> oh dear
<DonkeyHotei> another chip?
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<jinzo> jep
<DonkeyHotei> what are the diffs?
<jinzo> not a lot unfortunately
<DonkeyHotei> doesn't show any differences from A31
<jinzo> yeah I'm looking it up asap - but some problems with my pc atm
<jinzo> So what stands out is the max resolution and probably ram amount too (somewhere along the A10 vs A10s differences)
<DonkeyHotei> there's an A10s?
<jinzo> yes
<jinzo> more info about that one on the wiki
<jinzo> if I'm not mistaken (I'm not up to speed on sunxi nowadays) the s version is a bit cut down (and cheaper)
<jinzo> ofcourse you're welcome to fill in the stuff on the wiki ;)
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<gzamboni> turning off computer, see u later aligator
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<brain_> Hmm, Trying to figure out a few issues with my current roofs nand install. gotta figure out a way to debug mplayer. it loads and plays all the video's i've tossed at it but seems to only play them once, then it locks up the mplayer gui. I get no frame dropping even when fullscreen so im assuming the drivers are not the issue. gonna try another video player to be sure. gonna be a long night.
<Turl> DonkeyHotei: yeah, A10, A13, A10s, A20, A23, A31, A31s
<Turl> brain_: are you using vdpau?
<brain_> I have the repo here on the device but have no compiled it yet, only thing I am using is fbturbo as described on the wiki.
<Turl> ah
<Turl> no idea then, maybe a Xv bug on fbturbo
<brain_> reason I have not used it yet is I didnt see a page describing the installation
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<brain_> would I benefit any using vdpau?
<Turl> benefit would be hw acceleration when decoding video :p
<brain_> think I seen a reference to that someplace lol, ill look it over, thanks
<brain_> you know what I don't understand is how is debian able to function better than the android install that was previously installed...I mean WAY less lag, less frameskip, lots of free ram still. just an overall better experience with debian. 32 seconds from cold boot to fully usuable. I mean its still just an A10 not exactly cutting edge.
<brain_> the 3.4 kernel and nand installation I believe helped alot, at least it gave me some power management
<Seppoz> Turl: i found the problem with uart 6+7, some jumper resistors wernt set.. thanks for the tip about checking if the pins can be used as gpio, that got me on track
<libv> Seppoz: can you document that on the device page?
<Seppoz> document what exactly?
<libv> Seppoz: how you got these uart pins to work on this particular board or tablet
<Seppoz> its custom so it wont help anyone
<libv> ok
<Turl> Seppoz: :)
<Seppoz> it might be usefull to know that uart 6+7 works on PI pins without a problem
<Turl> brain_: is nand any faster than sd?
<libv> Turl: marginally, at least on A13
<brain_> by a longshot for me, and that is an understatement..but also I was using class 4 sd cards so of course that played a huge part. i have 8gb internal which is plenty so im strictly using mmc slot to boot the recovery sd when issues come up.
<Turl> brain_: I may try nand then before getting a decent card
<Turl> got 16GB iirc
<libv> Turl: the decent card usually doesn't help much
<Turl> libv: not better than an el cheapo class 4 one?
<libv> Turl: it's usually limited to about 10mBps anyway, i think something to do with the number of pins being driven
<brain_> I would for sure. once I got my head around nand booting I see no reason to go back to sd installs, too many headaches with the spl and it would fail to boot alot.
<libv> Turl: class-10 usually is what you can expect
<libv> nothing beats sata really, but even i am not doing that
<Turl> libv: yeah, not like I can add a disk to a tablet
<Turl> :p
<brain_> well i have no options for sata since its a tablet,
<libv> :)
<Turl> libv: maybe usb tho
<libv> brain_: a hammer and ducttape!
<brain_> well you could..^^
<libv> usb is pretty ok, i get about 20mBps on my odroid with that
<Turl> you could solder a fast pendrive inside
<Turl> like the wifi chip is
<Turl> (you probably would lose wifi tho)
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<brain_> I am removing the internal wifi module which is on the usb host port, and replacing that with a very stripped usb hub so in theory i could do ssd if I had room. kinda tough to fit my bluetooth, wifi stick and then a ssd drive lol
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<libv> hurray, xf86-video is up
<Turl> brain_: any tips wrt nand filesystems?
<brain_> one thing i am not sure of about that mod is will the current driver still handle the power management of the wifi
<libv> that was easy :)
<Turl> libv: on kms? :)
<libv> yeah
<Turl> cool
<libv> i was only running my own kms testing utils so far
<Turl> libv: are you working on mainline or 3.4 btw?
<libv> stuff i wrote back in 2012...
<libv> plane testing only got added by Ville (who else would do a thorough job at intel?) 2 weeks ago
<libv> Turl: sunxi-3.4 first, then mainlining afterwards
<brain_> Turl: All I did was repartition my nand, keeping nanda and nandb...the rest i partitioned off and and formatted as ext4, pointed root= there and that was it. have not tried any other fs types
<Turl> brain_: no journal tweaks or anything then
<libv> hrm, i need to go fix the cursor though :(
<brain_> nothing at all just yet. if I notice any issues I will probably look into some other tweaks. I did need to add rootwait but i dont consider that a problem
<libv> kms infrastructure gives no information about what cursor types the hw supports, so i am not surprised that the cursor just vanished on me, while it worked before
<brain_> if my nand does die out I can replace it here with the tools I have. will be looking for a 16gb chip from an iphone if I can get a datasheet.
<brain_> would like to figure out how to add a splash or at least see the console log
<brain_> but ill work on that another time.
<Turl> if you add console=tty0 you should be able to see the log
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<brain_> Turl: will I still have access to the console using the uart if I need it if I add that to my bootparams?
<brain_> i think I read someplace that of you use if on screen that way you lose it on the uart port...i could have misread it.
<brain_> guess i'll try that now lol, simple thing to test.
<brain_> then ill go back to the vpdau setup. my adhd kicking in :/
<Turl> brain_: if you keep both you should be able to use both
<brain_> Ok let me try it out. would be nice to see the log :)
<brain_> thanks
<libv> hah, copy-paste error
<libv> all good now :)
<libv> that was the easiest thing i did all day :)
<Turl> libv: haha
<Turl> nand seems to work a little bit faster
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<libv> great.
<libv> 30fps from es2gears on fbturbo
<HdkR> woo
<arete74_> libv: with kms lima?
<libv> better.
<libv> arete74_: when would i have added the buffer handling to both the mali kernel driver and the sunxi kms driver?
<Turl> libv: what was the previous number? :p
<libv> ~225 when compiled with -O3
<libv> but i had sync silently enabled.
<libv> fbturbo then either gets you 120fps or 30fps
<brain_> Turl: that worked :) can watch the log on screen instead of the lame blankness until x started.
<libv> depending on position of the celestial bodies
<libv> ah, no, 260fps
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<libv> when the cpu governor is set to performance
<Turl> brain_: :)
<Turl> libv: o.O nice
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<libv> not really, but check out my talk on sunday
<libv> binary does 310 or so atm
<arete74_> libv: when lima + fbturbo ?
<libv> yes
<libv> again, talk on sunday
<arete74_> i try see the talk on streaming
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<Turl> vdpau-sunxi works nicely
<brain_> Turl: how are you benchmarking it?
<Turl> brain_: with my eyes
<Turl> brain_: I played a 720p file and it didn't stutter like crazy
<Turl> htop via ssh showed mplayer using <5% CPU (perf governor, A10)
<brain_> Hehe, fair enough. I am working through the installation now.
<brain_> my CPU% goes very high while playing videos so im sure im not using the VPU hardware. but i get no frameskip so im not sure whats up.
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<brain_> fbturbo is complaining about "tear-free zero-copy double buffering needs more video memory"
<brain_> please set fb0_framebuffer_num >= 3 in the fex file
<brain_> and sunxi_fb_mem_reserve >= 5 in the kernel cmdline
<brain_> im guessing i should address that
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<Turl> brain_: it's probably not related though
<Turl> for some reason I need to chmod 666 /dev/disp
<Turl> 660 + video group doesn't seem to cut it
<Turl> and /dev/cedar_dev too
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