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<jacky>
so like I'm working on a blog platform (http://indieweb.org/Koype) and I'm curious to know if anyone has ideas on how to make it IPFS-friendly
<jacky>
I know it'd deal a bit with webfinger, my browser extension keeps pinging that route
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<gde33>
jacky: I have no clue what would be the right approach but perhaps start from the firefox extension
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<gde33>
I actually just install ipfs from the ubuntu software thingy, then install the firefox extension. Regretably I still had to ipfs init and ipfs daemon but besides from that cli-free installation seems to have gone smoothly. Innitial CPU consumption was much more than I want it to be but its declining now.
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<aphelionz[m]>
Hey folks, just wrote another piece about my experience hosting my site via a private IPFS network https://mrh.io/ipfs-private-networks/
<aphelionz[m]>
any feedback is welcome
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<postables[m]>
aphelionz you should set `LIBP2P_FORCE_PNET=1` when using private networks
<postables[m]>
which will cause your daemon to fail if you dont have a valid swarm key configuration
<AphelionZ>
Aha!
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<AphelionZ>
Is that environment var also available in the config json?
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<postables[m]>
i dont believe so
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<aphelionz[m]>
k lemme add that in, thanks
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<ichbinjoe>
aphelionz, I found it interesting that libp2p(ipfs)s implementation of the Kademlia forced you to have two nodes in order to store a value. Also fair warning when I was digging into the possible reasons as to why, I found this issue - https://github.com/libp2p/go-libp2p-kad-dht/issues/197 looks like your cluster really should be at least 5 nodes.
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<ichbinjoe>
However looks like thats an issue with DHT in practice, not in theory
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<aphelionz[m]>
Hmm... yeah. I suppose my cluster is fine since it's single use but I should still probably make a note of that, thank you!
<ichbinjoe>
Yeah. I mean in a perfect world, you really shouldn't _need_ even the second ipfs/ipns node. Records are validated via crypto so you don't need quorum in the traditional sense of the word.
<ichbinjoe>
Quorum is really just there to give yourself a better shot of finding the record from my understanding.
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<ichbinjoe>
And you should be able to treat your local node as the 'closest' node for the ipfs resource.
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<lastexile[m]1>
Hello guys, one simple question, I know when I request a file by its CID, my node will cache it temporarily, But how the network knows this file is cached by me? Is the DHT updated when I have requested the file or another way is used to maintain this information?
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<lililashka[m]>
Have a bit of problem on Firefox, users can see our NFT when not signing into the wallet. This doesn’t happen in chrome. Anyone knows what the bugs are? Our dapp —> radi.cards
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<lililashka[m]>
<lililashka[m] "Have a bit of problem on Firefox"> *can’t see
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<gde33>
I ctrl+C the deamon the other day, now it wont let me start it because it is already running it says
<gde33>
what does this mean?
<gde33>
in system monitor it is listed as Stopped
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<gde33>
oh I cna toggle it to continue there
<gde33>
ic (?!?)
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<Swedneck>
i'd just `killall ipfs`
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<gde33>
Swedneck: killing worked
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<gde33>
used teh ubuntu software center to install, now looking for IPFS_PATH, I thought searching the disk would do that, it shows plenty of ipfs folders but non of htem contain config.json
<gde33>
ah found something
<gde33>
would "ConnMgr": { "Type": "basic", "LowWater": 60,"HighWater": 90,"GracePeriod": "40s" } be reasonable or am I overdoing it?
<Swedneck>
sounds low
<gde33>
to low? I just put 1/10 of what it was
<Swedneck>
i think default lowwater/highwater is like 200/600 or something
<gde33>
it was 600/900
<gde33>
and 20s
<Swedneck>
ah
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<Swedneck>
well i don't know if it's too low, just sounds low to me :P
<gde33>
with 60 and 20 it still consumes 8 Mb/s bw
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<Swedneck>
wtf
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<gde33>
and 40% cpu lol
<Swedneck>
my bw is only a couple Kb
<gde33>
would it slow down eventually?
<Swedneck>
and i have 600/900 low/highwater
<gde33>
it probably doesn't matter, if it is just 1/1 it can still ramp up to 15 mb?
<Swedneck>
if that one peer requests/sends a bunch of data, i see no reason why not
<gde33>
it still shows hundreds of peers
<gde33>
ill try let it run a bit see if it calms the fuck down eventually
<Swedneck>
welp, i'm at the edge of my knowledge
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<gde33>
what could it be downloading?
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<gde33>
ahh it droped below 1 mb
<Martin333[m]>
Is there a way to help those who publish to IPFS by helping them host their content, like charity? I don't know of any particular content to pin; I'd just like to automatically help arbitrary people who need it, by leaving some program running.
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<gde33>
I wrote a gm script one time that would, every 10 seconds, click a random link on the current page
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<Martin333[m]>
gde33: Where the current page is whatever the last clicked link linked to?
<gde33>
yes
<gde33>
could check if it is ipfs and keep some of the links from previous pages
<Martin333[m]>
Hmm, but then you would never reach newer content unless the links are of IPNS form, right?
<gde33>
It was just a silly thought, not sure how one would implement it
<Martin333[m]>
(I suppose that is clear from the A in DAG.)
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<Martin333[m]>
The way I see it, there are two problems: (1) I need to find out about things being added to IPFS and (2) I need to protect myself from spam content filling up my storage.
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<aschmahmann[m]>
Martin333: One reasonably easy approach might be to just run an IPFS node and pin some percentage of the content that has its "links" stored with you. This solves problem 1) people will tell you as simply part of you being on the DHT, 2) you may be somewhat protected from spam if you make sure that the hash of the content is actually reasonably close to your peerID (otherwise people may discover your node and just send
<aschmahmann[m]>
IPFS DHT requests to you). This obviously has some flaws, but may get you moving in the right direction
<aschmahmann[m]>
this also has the approach (for better or worse) of being pretty agnostic as to the type of content you're storing.
<Martin333[m]>
So basically, instead of storing part of the hash table, one stores part of the filesystem, correct?
<Martin333[m]>
Wouldn't it be nice if everyone did this - no more dead links? If only it wouldn't be abused. Has anyone given any thought to how something like that could be done (even with abusive users)?
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<Martin333[m]>
I mean, instead of just storing part of the hash table.
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<lemonhuman[m]>
what
<lemonhuman[m]>
oh sorry i am new to matrix
<Martin333[m]>
lemonhuman: Sharing the hosting evenly and redundantly across all nodes.
<lemonhuman[m]>
what
<Martin333[m]>
Having the content be just as distributed as the hash table.
<lemonhuman[m]>
i can’t see message history
<lemonhuman[m]>
i don’t know what you’re talking about
<Martin333[m]>
Oh, that's odd.
<lemonhuman[m]>
yeah
<Martin333[m]>
lemonhuman: Hopefully it will work better for you soon. For me, Matrix is usually kind of slow and sometimes *really* slow. It's usually usable at least.
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<aschmahmann[m]>
Martin333: The thing that tends to come up with > Sharing the hosting evenly and redundantly across all nodes.
<aschmahmann[m]>
Is that some nodes aren't going to want/be able to share (i.e. mobile nodes), and so some people are going to be giving resources for free. As long as the resources freely available are less than what people want to use you're ok, but beyond that some kind of compensation might be warranted (at least in the short term).
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<Martin333[m]>
aschmahmann: Sure, I definitely understand that, but maybe it could be an opt-in feature that's still easily accessible, so that anyone who *does* want to can tick a checkbox saying 'I want to use (some of) my storage and connection to host others' content' or similar. Because while there are many valid reasons some people may/will have not to tick that box, I also suspect that some people out there (such as me) would have
<Martin333[m]>
no problem ticking the box. (Personally, I would love to do it because I want IPFS to succeed.) My thinking is that if a sizable group of people opts in, it will greatly benefit IPFS in terms of reliability/availability & speed.
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<lemonhuman[m]>
how will we convince people to tick the box
<Martin333[m]>
Don't you hate dead links? Help us make IPFS better now by ticking this box!
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<Swedneck>
isn't this exactly what bitswap is for?
<Swedneck>
giving preference to nodes that give back
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<Martin333[m]>
Aha, thank you!
<Martin333[m]>
But my impression is that bitswap is simply another reason to help other people host their content. I was actually talking about implementing an option for the daemon to do just that, so that people could tick a box saying 'I want to host content for others'.
<Swedneck>
filecoin?
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<Martin333[m]>
No, I think that's different.
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<Swedneck>
with filecoin you get paid to host data
<Swedneck>
(or will get, once it's released)
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<Martin333[m]>
But that is also the case with bitswap, except that the currency is different. The thing is that what I am interested in is a way of automatically collecting IPFS content to provide.
<Swedneck>
i suppose it might be possible to just set the price you charge to 0 in filecoin
<Swedneck>
dunno
<Martin333[m]>
Right but wouldn't it be nice to have an option to have the daemon collect content automatically?
<postables[m]>
I think being able to automatically collect IPFS content to provide would just end up being a privacy issue, and probably legality issue since then it would be possible for people to force you to pin illegal content.
<postables[m]>
You can always sniff DHT traffic and use that to pin
<Swedneck>
or people could collaborate to just make lists of hashes with good content
<Swedneck>
which i'm pretty sure already exists somewhere
<postables[m]>
Plus if you had an option to do that and you forgot to turn it off after playing around with it whoops you just used up a bunch of space you didn't intend to
<postables[m]>
swedneck: yea that seems like the better possible scenario
<Martin333[m]>
@swedneck: Yeah but it's just not *as* good.
<Swedneck>
how so?
<Swedneck>
you'd just need to download the list and pin the hashes periodically
<Martin333[m]>
You have to collaborate, which takes effort, especially if done on the kind of scale of e.g. the entire IPFS userbase (or even 1 % of it, probably). I mean, it is clearly easier if you can just add something and have it automatically be hosted by a bunch of users. Of course, if this cannot be done then making lists is a good idea.
<Martin333[m]>
postables: If you accidentally use up space, just delete the files?
<Swedneck>
the problem with anything automatic is that it absolutely sucks
<Swedneck>
you'll be hosting snuff porn in no time
<Swedneck>
and if you try to filter it automatically, you get youtube's contentID, which works roughly 5% of the time
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<Martin333[m]>
@swedneck: And I would have to take legal responsibility for that? No way around that even if I did not originally publish it, assuming that I would delete it upon request?
<Swedneck>
if you host it, you're at fault
<Swedneck>
and i can't really say i disagree with that
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<Martin333[m]>
Isn't that different from how it works with file hosting sites and e.g. the ipfs.io/ipfs/ gateway?
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<Swedneck>
they remove/block hashes with illegal/objectionable content, when reported
<Swedneck>
and gateways don't store anything permanently anyways, unless someone is constantly requesting the data from it
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<Martin333[m]>
Note that I did write:
<Martin333[m]>
> assuming that I would delete it upon request
<Martin333[m]>
Okay, so the important thing is that 'disabling' the original source of the content stops the gateway from serving the content?
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<Martin333[m]>
(Whereas that would not be the case with a daemon that automatically pins.)
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<Swedneck>
not sure what you mean
<Swedneck>
the difference between your suggestion, and what a gateway does, is that someone has to actively request content from a gateway
<Martin333[m]>
Ah, so the problem is that my system would automatically download inappropriate content from someone providing it.
<Swedneck>
yes
<Swedneck>
and gateways are also legally iffy, btw
<Martin333[m]>
That is a very good point.
<Martin333[m]>
Oh.
<Swedneck>
since anyone can just come along and make it cache bad stuff. However since someone has to actively request content and you can block it from serving hashes, it's not a huge issue
<Martin333[m]>
Right.
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