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<miflow[m]> " IPFS client cannot be as mobile friendly as a HTTP client." yes, in terms of processing, but with 6gig ram 8 core phones, we care more about the networking costs/ stability etc.
<miflow[m]> same applies for decentralized search
<Kythyria[m]> Oh, I was counting network in that too.
<lord|> centralized search has its clear advantages
<lord|> it just sucks when the same company you give your search terms to
<Kythyria[m]> And if you actually saturate a core your phone will get very hot.
<lord|> also has your location data, texts, etc.
<miflow[m]> id wish my few devices could probably p2p today, would save like half of my bandwidth
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<lnxw37[m]> I like YaCy, and I used to host a node, but YaCy is not “better” in any way except for lack of centralized control & funding.
<lord|> and is also a major advertising company that advertises on sites other than google search
<miflow[m]> my 5 yo phone runs 4.14 just fine
<Kythyria[m]> flowpoint: Only if they're primarily sending data to _each other_.
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<Kythyria[m]> (or receiving data from each other)
<miflow[m]> sure, with edge computing you can trade storage and processing against networking costs
<Kythyria[m]> Basically, the direct connections have to be enough of the resource usage that sticking within the same LAN saves more than you spend on keeping the P2P nodes alive.
<Kythyria[m]> Which implies there was probably no advantage in doing whatever it is you were doing to provoke that data transfer via the internet in the first place.
<camb[m]> kythyria: At this point don't you have to put some control in the user's choice. "Do I want to give my info to 1 corp or do I want to share it with my fellow people?"
<Kythyria[m]> (and it's a really bad trade: you wind up spending more storage, CPU, and network on the P2P solution)
<camb[m]> Again: Yacy + Tor = very good search privacy.
<miflow[m]> even more, wifi is extremely flaky in my area, not p2p has a downtime of ~8%
<miflow[m]> backups -> awful, media server -> not private lan,
<Kythyria[m]> flowpoint: So you're doing stuff that doesn't need more than LAN-sized P2P?
<camb[m]> flowpoint: You can only trust the network as much as you can host it yourself. We must accept our ISP limitatoins until we have a more decentralized ISP.
<Kythyria[m]> And that "decentralised ISP" may or may not be able to do better.
<camb[m]> Decentralized is always beter ;)
<miflow[m]> yes, its a tradeoff, but with decentralization you have more control, freedom f yeah
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<miflow[m]> anyway
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<miflow[m]> *dreaming about performant decentralized search with finegrained privacy, personal ai algorithms and cherry on top ...
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<camb[m]> litlle bit of whipped cream too.
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<xnaas> Hey, super noob question here. I'm looking through a bunch of documentation, but struggling to find exactly what I'm looking for. I get the distributed web, but I'm wondering how files are "cleared" from your local machine. Unfortunately, I'm not a datacenter -- I can't infinitely cache everything I browse until the end of time. I was looking for docs on how this is addressed by IPFS -- can someone point me in the right direction
<xnaas> for reading? :D
<lemmi> xnaas: this is impementation specific. go-ipfs has garbage collection builtin, but it is disabled by default. so it will cache anything you ever requested. additionally you can instruct go-ipfs to pin certain hashes to keep them from being garbage collected. you can enable the garbage collection at a high-water-mark, default is 10G.
<xnaas> Thanks. I'll look more specifically into the go-ipfs docs rather than the broader IPFS docs. Thanks!
<lemmi> and you can run the collection mannuall with ipfs repo gc
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<walle303> tfw you realize you had ipfs mounted to /ipfs and you could've just done stuff like `ffplay /ipfs/hash` to do stuff instead of using localhost lol
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<JCaesar> Hm, does anyone have a way to poke jbenet to update jbenet/go-ipfs on docker.io?
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<whyrusleeping> JCaesar: I *could* go poke him, but that image is outdated
<whyrusleeping> you should be using the ipfs/go-ipfs one
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<JCaesar> oic
<JCaesar> thank you
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<JCaesar> whyrusleeping: but… ipfs/go-ipfs is also still 0.4.13… or am I messing up the updating?
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> hello all,
<darkdrgn2k[m]> does "Experimental.FilestoreEnabled" leave source files in place
<darkdrgn2k[m]> (ie is it to be used to integrate with existing file structures)
<JCaesar> even with that disabled, the source files will stay in place.
<JCaesar> with it enabled and an add --nocopy, it will additionally not copy them.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> but source the content from the original file?
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<JCaesar> I don't understand what using "source" as a verb means, but yes, it will read the original files when it needs their content.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> yes that is what i meant.. That if it needs the content the source of that content will be the original file instead of the internal database it would otherwise be
<darkdrgn2k[m]> second question. if i have content on a slow connection ( ie other side of a DSL circut) what is the best/quickest method to get it available to the network at large.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> and should i even keep a local IPFS repo or some how push it right away to ie a datacenter node
<JCaesar> first off, the easiest thing to get it available on speedy connections would be to use a pinning service. (see e.g. pinbits? I don't actually know what their upstream is.)
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> but how would you actually get it there?
<JCaesar> oh, you don't want your slow connection to upload all of the data?
<darkdrgn2k[m]> i want to be able to push the data as efficiently but as quickly as possible
<darkdrgn2k[m]> ie if i have a file and 10 people need to have it
<darkdrgn2k[m]> my DSL connection wont handle it,
<JCaesar> I'm not sure I understand what your goal is. IPFS doesn't support pushing things, you can only have another node pull it.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> if its downloaded through a gateway the first time, it will be cached..
<darkdrgn2k[m]> but now thats assuming all the people use that same gateway
<JCaesar> It will be cached no matter who downloads it.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> ok sorry let me back track
<darkdrgn2k[m]> i have content.. on a slow connection
<darkdrgn2k[m]> do i run an IPFS node on the slow connection,and on a datacenter connection, add the content on the slow side then pin it on the fast node
<darkdrgn2k[m]> or do i bypass the slow node upload the file to the fast node and pin it there
<darkdrgn2k[m]> or is there some other mechanisim i can use to push the data out faster
<JCaesar> I don't think there is another mechanism.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> So IPFS ADD on slow then IPFS ADD PIN on fast
<darkdrgn2k[m]> or FTP to fast andthen IPFS add on fast
<JCaesar> adding the content locally and then mirroring it over ipfs has the advantage that the entire thing is "available" immediately, even if you haven't transferred it entirely. It also gives you a little bit of redundancy on the availability of that content.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> now i know IPFS cant push but is there a "better" way of announcing content that you want to be avaialble right away?
<JCaesar> on the other hand side, ipfs does cause a little bit of traffic even if its running only in the background and not doing much. if your connection is really thin, you might not want to run it all the time…
<JCaesar> as soon as you add the content on one node, it should be available on the entire network.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> i find that there is a bit of a dealy on the gateways, sometimes of up to a minute
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> i guess the best solution is to run a gateway on the datacenter node...
<JCaesar> Hm. That really shouldn't be the case. Content is announced the moment you add it. (That's actually why adding things is slow…).
<JCaesar> Hm, but then what's the point of using ipfs at all? :P
<darkdrgn2k[m]> yeh thats the problem
<darkdrgn2k[m]> this is a little project im working on for a small decentralized conference that were putting together :)
<darkdrgn2k[m]> ok one last question
<darkdrgn2k[m]> is there anyway to expire content after a certain amount of time?
<darkdrgn2k[m]> or just pin/unpin then gc to wipe all the unpilled content
<JCaesar> time… no. Instead of pinning it, you can just go ipfs refs -r, which will pull an entire tree into the local cache.
<JCaesar> which will then be gc'ed.
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<JCaesar> But I do have to admit, the idea of pinning something for a defined ammount of time has seemed useful quite a few times.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> what do you mean local cache
<darkdrgn2k[m]> reason im sayin pin/unpin is then i can keep track of the timeout myself then unpin stuff that falls out of the timeline
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<JCaesar> "local cache:" every time you get a block, it gets written to the local repository (and that fact is announced to peers). it will be eventually gc'ed at random.
<JCaesar> and instead of pinning, you could add the objects to a folder in the "ipfs files" hierarchy (it's a command, try executing it). I find that to be easier to manage. Like pinning, things that are reachable from there don't get gc'ed. But they also don't get pulled, so you have to pull them once manually.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> unless its pinned
<darkdrgn2k[m]> ahh ok ill try
<darkdrgn2k[m]> hey whats the min memory ipfs can run on :P
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<JCaesar> 0.4.13 didn't run that well on the old 512 digital ocean droplets. 0.4.14 is happy with the new 1gb DO droplets.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> hmm so no luck for my 128 meg vmware :P
<JCaesar> so yeah, around 500MB of free ram…? Also depends on how many parallel connections you allow…
<JCaesar> no way. :P
<darkdrgn2k[m]> i found the oldver version not liking the 1gig rasperry pis
<darkdrgn2k[m]> i just built a IPFS x.14 node on a ExpressoBin with 1 gig ram and a sata drive :)
<darkdrgn2k[m]> see how that works ou
<JCaesar> spinning disks are a bit… meh. it works, but it's not exactly snappy. ram should be enough. 0.4.14 did quite a bit of optimizing in that direction.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> well its just a start.. ill switch to SSD once it proove good
<darkdrgn2k[m]> hey another though ti had
<darkdrgn2k[m]> ok so we are working ona mesh here...
<darkdrgn2k[m]> i tought it be awsome to have a IPFS node on top of every roof top :P and caching contnet as it comes through
<darkdrgn2k[m]> as part of the backhaul
<JCaesar> Now I want network coding ipfs…
<darkdrgn2k[m]> queestion is whats the best way to spread the cache around to all the nodes..
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<JCaesar> ipfs-swarm, maybe?
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> a---b---c---d----e if person a wants contente form node e... he gets it.. how do we cache on node c so person on node c that wants the same content.. already has it on the node
<JCaesar> You'd like the guys on the way to cache, I suppose…
<darkdrgn2k[m]> so boot strap just neighbouring nodes?
<JCaesar> boot strap and don't allow anything else, maybe. But that's beyond my knowledge.
<darkdrgn2k[m]> well its a long way from where we are :P just a fantasy
<darkdrgn2k[m]> for now. .. this ipfs project for the conf this summer
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> im kinda excited about this LOL it will be awsome if i can get this to work
<darkdrgn2k[m]> i got my basic proof of concept up
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> was there ever any success getting this working on cjdns ?
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<theseb> how calculate content id (cid) from a string?
<theseb> or number or hash?
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> if ipfs is running as a differnt user, can you still add to it?
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<JohnyTheSmith> how can it come that if i pin something my node doesnt show up when i dht findprovs?
<JohnyTheSmith> Not with all files, mind you. Usualy thats not a problem ive had at all
<JohnyTheSmith> And, yes, the file is readily available on other nodes
<JohnyTheSmith> dht provide fixed that, dont know why it didnt show up before though.
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<aszokalski> Hello! Anyone knows how to use libp2p-go
<aszokalski> ?
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<underikar> is there an ipfs stack exchange?
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<underikar> is ipfs dag get the only way to traverse json?
<underikar> i.e. cat will only traverse unixfs objects?
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<Taoki> I have a question: Does https://steemit.com have any issue with detecting multiple users on one IP address, granted they each have their owhn phone? Pondering wether to suggest that my mother signs up, but her PC is of course on the same router as mine.
<Taoki> (asking here since we spoke about STEEM and DTube here last night so)
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