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<maaku>
prestwich: I think you're still missing the point -- it's not the parties involved that take on risk, but potentially the entire ecosystem
<maaku>
because the cointer-party then coinjoins with someone else, and they pay others, and in a couple of hops it's affecting people totally unrelated to the original expired transaction
<maaku>
and that is how you destroy fungibility
<maaku>
on the other hand, you can do exactly what you want via sequences of off-chain transactions with ordinary relative lock-time
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<esotericnonsense>
"right now for a transaction to become forever invalid on a reorg requires *active* resigning of one of the inputs. you can point to a conflicting transaction and blame the people responsible for it."
<esotericnonsense>
i'm not so sure about 'blame'. you can possibly have vision on it. for example if an RBF transaction has its' recipients changed perfectly reasonably but then it reverts to the older one through a reorg (no fault of the original signer).
<esotericnonsense>
i guess this is just 'blame' in the 'git blame' sense rather than finding fault. :)
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<maaku>
hmm... possibly useful opcode for deligation: CHECKSIGWITHDATA, which would be used like this: [z y x 3 sig pubkey] where the data elements are hashed together, and that hash is combined with the sighash
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<maaku>
that would let you delegate with a multi-level tail call eval
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<prestwich>
maaku: I understand that the risk trickles through. The scripts I'm thinking of would have CLTV maturities in the 25,000 block range after expiry. Risk trends to negligible in that time period, even for third parties.
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<prestwich>
I'll look into off-chain transaction chains with CSV more
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