#bitcoin-wizards on 2017-08-01 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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01:59 <kanzure> someone attempting to document types of security topics in bitcoin (page 8) https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.00916.pdf

02:00 <kanzure> and privacy/anonymization proposals on page 21.

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02:19 <kanzure> "partially blind threshold signatures with uncertain signers" hrm.

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06:40 <jonny1000> hi, is anyone running testnet nodes? Someone reported to me that 0.14.1 wont follow the most work chain

06:41 <arubi> I'm on blocks": 1155835,

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06:42 <arubi> oh sorry, v0.14.2

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06:54 <molz> i just fired up v0.14.1, it synced quickly to 1155837

06:56 <jonny1000> thanks

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07:00 <gmaxwell> jonny1000: it's just a non-segwit fork.

07:01 <gmaxwell> jonny1000: like a monthly thing with testnet, someone spins up some hashpower on some old software (or crapware fork) and mines blocks and unmaintained block explorers show it.

07:01 <jonny1000> Hi, please explain what you mean, Im actually out and about on a mobile at the moment and an exchange has asked me

07:02 <rusty> jonny1000: he means those blocks are invalid.

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07:13 <midnightmagic> i.e. "Most-work" does not mean "consensus-defining."

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07:20 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: jonny1000 knows that. :)

07:27 <midnightmagic> Sorry.

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07:29 <midnightmagic> I forgot who he was. Sorry, jonny.

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11:43 <waxwing> kanzure: interesting table, i note that for 'countermeasures' to tx malleability they do not mention .. witness segregation? :)

11:47 <kanzure> that's correct, at the time i had not figured out how to do backwards time travel, ad as a consequence i couldn't go to the future to bring back proposals lke that.

11:50 <waxwing> sorry i didn't get it. that doc is 2017, right?

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11:53 <kanzure> scalingbitcoin-review.pdf was 2015

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11:54 <waxwing> kanzure: oh i was responding to your post above ^ about the table on page 8 of https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.00916.pdf

11:54 <kanzure> ah alright.

11:56 <waxwing> and wasn't being sarcastic in that it is an interesting summary table. not sure i've seen something like that before. the anonymity tech table is interesting too, although seen similar to that in a number of places. would be interesting to see if they missed anything there.

11:56 <waxwing> perhaps stealth addresses for one.

11:57 <waxwing> lightning/payment channels. maybe that's debatable.

11:57 <kanzure> i noticed that it includes mimblewimble but not confidential transactions. weird choices.

11:58 <waxwing> yeah true, that's not present in some older summaries for obvious reasons, mentions CT in MW context, but not separately. good point.

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12:02 <kanzure> and then conidential assets... which i also note is barely mentioned in http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-confidential-transactions/ :P

12:04 <sipa> well that's not really a privacy improvement... more how to extend an existing one to a chain that inherently supports more than a public chain can

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12:16 <sipa> (i don't mean to downplay CA, i think it's awesome... just pointing out that it doesn't apply to a single-currency chain)

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12:48 <aeae> hi

12:49 <aeae> on which TV channel can I watch the bitcoin fork? :D

12:49 <waxwing> aeae: try #bitcoin-forks ; anyway, not here

12:50 <aeae> thx

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22:22 <bitpilot> I'm guessing the bitcoin cash is clickbait.. is that a reasonable assumption?

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22:23 <kanzure> wrong channel

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22:33 <andytoshi> #bitcoin-forks ... but yes

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23:06 <charutocafe[m]> i was told to come by and ask you wizards about a few technical doubts/questions i have about bitcoin and PoW in general

23:07 <charutocafe[m]> while blocks are being mined, are they constantly checking the mempool and updating the transaction priority and thereby the content of the block?

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23:24 <Eliel> charutocafe[m]: that's a question for #bitcoin.

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