#bitcoin-wizards on 2016-01-08 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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04:59 <AdrianG> why are ring-signature schemes with random oracles not secure in practise ?

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08:37 <MRL-Relay> [shen] AdrianG, it's not that they are "not secure in practice" it would be more correct to say that people don't necessarily trust the random oracle model - the reason is it approximates hash functions by a "truly random" function, which is obviously not true

08:37 <MRL-Relay> [shen] AdrianG see also: http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/22356/difference-between-hash-function-and-random-oracle

08:41 <MRL-Relay> [shen] Usually the security in ring signature applciation is somehow related to the assumption that it is improbable to find the discrete log of something like hash_to_scalar(P)*G

08:41 <MRL-Relay> [shen] (and variations of that assumption)

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12:39 <stevenroose_> Is it possible to create a safe recurring payments scheme using locktime and/or relative locktime?

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12:55 <stevenroose_> You could pay several months upfront using locktime and already hand the transactions to the recipient, but then they there is no real difference between prepaid and a subscription

12:55 <stevenroose_> Except that you can quit between two payments

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13:12 <CiPi> http://www.ieet.org/images/uploads/my_precious_bitcoin.jpg

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15:02 CiPi was banned on #bitcoin-wizards by jcorgan [*!*free@unaffiliated/cipi]

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15:17 <CiPi2> jcorgan, i will fuck your days.

15:17 <CiPi2> :)

15:17 <CiPi2> beleave me.

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15:43 <region33> jcorgan; You`re too old for this shit. :). I don`t understand why and old man like you looses his time in this way. You don`t have much time to live and you already lost the bitcoin train. Even if you ban me again. I can get in, time and time again, and speak whatever i want, where i want. You`re helpless and is nothing you can do about it. :)

15:44 region33 was banned on #bitcoin-wizards by jcorgan [*!*ss@86.104.14.*]

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17:18 <coinoperated> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0096300315010619

17:18 <coinoperated> .title

17:18 <yoleaux> The peloton superorganism and protocooperative behavior

17:18 <coinoperated> also, selfish drafting attacks

17:19 <bsm117532> That looks like an exercise in using as many made-up words as possible.

17:20 <coinoperated> plot twist: all words are made up

17:25 <kanzure> but some have consensus

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17:37 <coinoperated> proof of homework

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