#bitcoin-wizards on 2015-12-01 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2015-10-30 00:53 sipa changed the topic of #bitcoin-wizards to: This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja

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01:02 <zookolaptop> Taek: are you the taek mentioned in https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia ?

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02:30 <bram__> Okay, here's a trick which is a lot simpler than forcing passthroughs to rehash: When you do the hashing of the terminal, include the depth at which it terminates

02:32 <bram__> That makes the proof checking code utterly brainless

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04:11 <Taek> .tell <zookolaptop> "Taek: are you the taek mentioned in https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia ?" Yes

04:11 <yoleaux> Taek: What kind of a name is "<zookolaptop>"?!

04:11 <Taek> .tell zookolaptop <zookolaptop> "Taek: are you the taek mentioned in https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia ?" Yes

04:11 <yoleaux> Taek: I'll pass your message to zookolaptop.

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05:56 <bramc> So for my trick with the depth being given, a proof is a path from the root to a leaf. That leaf includes a depth and a hash. If the thing you're checking for has a prefix in common with the hash in the leaf of a length at least the number of bits in the depth without actually being the leaf then that's a valid proof of non-inclusion

05:57 <bramc> Technically speaking it's necessary for the path to the leaf to be a subsequence of the bits in that prefix, but that's Not Worth Checking

05:58 <bramc> It can be any subsequence because there can be passthrough anywhere in the tree, although skips earlier are strange but possible

05:59 <bramc> This also has the interesting property of making proofs of inclusion and exclusion canonical. I guess that's true of most valid formats. Don't know if that property is good or bad or matters at all

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06:14 <bramc> Conveniently, proofs of inclusion are the exact same format as proofs of exclusion.

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12:25 <jonasschnelli> sipa: Good idea (asking about Ram)!

12:26 <jonasschnelli> sipa: would it be possible to change the dbcache while bitcoin-core (d/qt) is running (in theory!)?

12:26 <jonasschnelli> something like 1) flush 2) change cache size

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17:54 <Guest22844> The P versus NP problem is a major unsolved problem in computer science. Informally, it asks whether every problem whose solution can be quickly verified by a computer can also be quickly solved by a computer.

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17:57 <sipa> sounds right, but what is the context?

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17:59 <phyl729> none!

18:00 * Taek was intruiged, now is sad

18:01 <sipa> so it is context free?

18:02 <Taek> I tried really hard not to laugh out loud, but failed.

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18:14 <MRL-Relay> [tacotime] thanks, i needed that

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18:54 <kang_> "The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work" by Phil Rogaway (man behind OAEP, PSS, OCB, UMAC, FPE, XTS) http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf

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23:55 <SomeT> I had a kinda theoretical idea with bitcoin, I was thinking of adding some sort of 'layer'? to it to add an extra kinda layer of security using stenograpgy, would this be amicable do you reckon or a waste of time? I am at the beginnings of understanding the bitcoin source code at the moment

23:57 <nsh> so this is an active area of research, but not really using that kind of layered abstraction

23:58 <nsh> confidential transactions is one implementation, in testing with the alpha sidechain

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23:59 <nsh> other efforts use zero-knowledge argument systems to allow for arithmetic properties of transactions to be verified (no money appears from nowhere) while maintaining the privacy of transaction participants and amounts to some degree

23:59 <nsh> unless you mean concealing the fact that a user it interacting with the payment network in terms of traffic

23:59 <nsh> *is