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WarheadsSE >
and.. pcDuino added.
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slapin_nb >
hi, all!
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slapin_nb >
any suggestions?
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lkcl__ >
slapin: use PADS. or even Eagle. simple as that. or write the c++ yourself.
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lkcl__: what is PADS?
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lkcl__ >
slapin: mentor graphics - PADS 9.3
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lkcl__ >
ok, 9.5 i think's the latest version
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lkcl__ >
i just... i decided quite some time ago after using kicad that i was not going to fuck around waiting for free software to catch up with the professional level that's actually required to reliably develop high-speed PCBs
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buZz >
great attitude
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lkcl__ >
i can make a ton of money first....
*and then* fund kicad or what the fuck ever
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lkcl__ >
buZz: thank you. it's a simple choice. kicad doesn't cut it, therefore don't use it.
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lkcl__ >
the alternative is: sit around "learning" for months on end how to manually do e.g. differential pairs
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lkcl__ >
when you can in anything
*other* than amateur-level PCB routing software set in the Design Rules "these two signals shall be routed together, by a distance of N mil"
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lkcl__: any pointers on doing differential pairs by hand?
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lkcl__ >
and save yourself a fuck of a lot of wasted time and effort.
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lkcl__ >
slapin: yes.
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* slapin
does have eagle 5.x license and it can't do differential pairs, and I don't want to upgrade :-P
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lkcl__ >
a) design and place the components so that you
*do not* have to do any layer changes
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lkcl__ >
that there are no other components in the way
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lkcl__ >
and that you can make the routing as dead-straight as possible
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lkcl__ >
like, "line the components up exactly" so they're on the level.
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lkcl__ >
the other thing you have to bear in mind is that R.F. frequency level signals don't like going round corners :)
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lkcl__ >
that's the reason you don't see right-angles on differential pairs
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lkcl__ >
because the signal just... keeps.... going.... :)
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lkcl__ >
so, turn corners as infrequently as you can.
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lkcl__ >
the only other thing i can think of is: write your own python program to add the 2nd trace to the kicad files (directly)
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lkcl__ >
for example links to kipy
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slapin >
lkcl__: If only I found the format description
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slapin >
lkcl__: there are things like wcalc.sf.net
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slapin >
lkcl__: dunno if I can use these...
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lkcl__ >
oh right - you're concerned about the electrical characteristics of the differential pairs?
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lkcl__ >
ah that's a bit beyond me :)
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slapin >
lkcl__: probably not then
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slapin >
lkcl__: anyway, kipy doesn't know about pcb format it seems, so I need to find format documentation to write scripts
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lkcl__ >
kicad is supposed to have a python interface now
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slapin >
well, only if Kicad had trace length tool, that'd be almost enough for tracing differential pairs...
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slapin >
lkcl__: testing version; but it diesn't like my multipart .libs
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lkcl__ >
ah yes - i had issues with that (on the debian version).
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lkcl__ >
i re-ordered the parts and the problem went away.
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lkcl__ >
actually what i did was maintain the library parts
*BY HAND*
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lkcl__ >
is that what you're seeing?
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lkcl__ >
that if you edit a part, it fucks up?
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lkcl__ >
ok - i gotta go.
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slapin >
lkcl__: not only on edit, but yes, slao it fails to select appropriate part; stable works fine (from bzr stable branch)
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slapin >
lkcl__: thanks a lot for info
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