#ruby-lang on 2013-05-17 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2013-05-14 18:40 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p195: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p429) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com

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01:35 <zzak> zenspider: beat me to it yet?

01:35 <zzak> what version is it supposed to be?

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06:03 <sora_h___> Is bb-m.rubygems.org down? It's raising "Network error while fetching" on `bundle install`

06:04 <erikh> looks like it's meditating

06:04 <erikh> best to ask in #rubygems

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07:42 <yorickpeterse> morning

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11:13 <yorickpeterse> sushee.no-ip.org/opensourceisnotawarzone.txt here, reading material

11:13 <yorickpeterse> seeing how this channel is dead so far anyway

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12:13 <andrewvos> How do they even sentence

12:15 <andrewvos> Hey how can I rename files as if they were text in vim?

12:15 <andrewvos> Like, I want to see a list of files, and when I modify the names they should be renamed

12:15 <andrewvos> That's a thing right

12:15 <andrewvos> ?

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12:17 <andrewvos> internet: ping

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12:19 <yorickpeterse> eh, what?

12:19 <yorickpeterse> You mean in the file explorer?

12:19 <yorickpeterse> If so, get NERDTree

12:19 <andrewvos> I dunno

12:19 <andrewvos> No I don't want nerdtree

12:19 <andrewvos> I use CTRL+P

12:19 <andrewvos> Don't need another plugin

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12:21 <yorickpeterse> ctrl+p isn't a file browser

12:22 <yorickpeterse> and nerdtree isn't a autocomplete dropdown for files matching a pattern

12:22 <yorickpeterse> * an

12:22 <andrewvos> This does seem like what I want.. https://github.com/vim-scripts/renamer.vim

12:22 <andrewvos> But I thought vim could do this, for some reason

12:23 <yorickpeterse> well, you can always use `rename`

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12:25 <andrewvos> Yeah

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12:36 <andrewvos> http://showterm.io/16d6882bda457832b678c

12:36 <andrewvos> yorickpeterse:

12:37 <yorickpeterse> meh, if I wanted an OS as an editor I'd use Emacs

12:37 <andrewvos> What do you use yorickpeterse?

12:37 <yorickpeterse> Vim

12:38 * yorickpeterse does actually use NERDTree for basic file management

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12:41 <yorickpeterse> zzak: these cat videos are awesome

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12:51 <zzak> haha

12:52 <matti> zzak: ;]

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12:55 <zzak> yorickpeterse: glad you like em

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12:56 <matti> Eh.

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12:58 <yorickpeterse> zzak: well what can I say, I like cats

12:58 <yorickpeterse> or pets in general

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12:59 <zzak> who doesnt?

13:00 <zzak> besides people who are allergic

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13:02 <manveru> anybody got a clue what encoding "Ord\xC3\x83\xC2\xA1s" might be?

13:02 <manveru> i've tried all in Encoding.list, but doesn't look like any matches

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13:05 <matti> Hey manveru

13:05 <matti> manveru: Try iconv maybe.

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13:06 <manveru> iconv has the same list

13:06 <manveru> pretty much anyway :)

13:06 <manveru> this is some serious mojibake there

13:09 <matti> Hmm.

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13:09 <bougyman> manveru: that's not just encoding.

13:09 <bougyman> it's got a leader and a footer.

13:09 <bougyman> Ord and 1s

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13:09 <bougyman> they probably mean something?

13:11 <zzak> manveru: are you still in germany?

13:11 <manveru> yeah

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13:14 <rindolf> Hi all.

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13:15 <zzak> manveru: so i take it you wont be at rubykaigi?

13:15 <manveru> zzak: no way

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13:15 <zzak> :(

13:15 <manveru> it's in athens man

13:15 <yorickpeterse> That's Euruko

13:16 <manveru> oh

13:16 <manveru> sorry :)

13:16 <manveru> but yeah, won't get to tokyo anytime soon

13:16 <yorickpeterse> how's the job hunting?

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13:17 <manveru> just got a new project to work on

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13:18 <manveru> so i'll probably survive

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13:18 <yorickpeterse> Good to hear. We'll be hiring again very soon but that's for Amsterdam, which is a bit out of the way for you

13:19 <manveru> can't say i would mind amsterdam :)

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13:19 <manveru> but i'm not gonna move that soon

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13:19 <yorickpeterse> yeah I figured

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13:22 <ericwood> I wonder if I should just abandon everything and go work in Europe

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13:22 <ericwood> I don't speak European, though, so I'd have to learn the language

13:22 <manveru> don't worry, european is easy once you know latin

13:22 <yorickpeterse> I hope you're trolling about "European" language

13:22 <injekt> :D

13:23 <ericwood> I'm angry this morning

13:23 <injekt> I hear they speak European in Canada too

13:23 <yorickpeterse> Canadia

13:23 <rindolf> Is http://ruby-doc.org/ down?

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13:23 <injekt> rindolf: has been slow all morning

13:23 <rindolf> injekt: ah.

13:23 <injekt> it does load after about a minute for me

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13:23 <rindolf> Is there a mirror?

13:23 <yorickpeterse> there's rubydoc.info

13:23 <injekt> rdoc.info for yard docs

13:23 <yorickpeterse> but it's a bit different

13:24 <manveru> guess it uses some cdn?

13:24 <injekt> manveru: loads for you?

13:24 <ericwood> yep, ruby-docs is down

13:24 <manveru> js in header timeout or something

13:24 <ericwood> good thing I memorized them all

13:24 <manveru> hm, no

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13:25 <ericwood> are there good ruby jobs in like Belgium or something?

13:25 <yorickpeterse> haha belgium

13:26 <ericwood> they seem like nice people

13:26 <ericwood> surely they like ruby as much as I do

13:26 <yorickpeterse> ericwood: most of it is focused in the UK, Germany and NL (lot of Python)

13:26 <ericwood> and will pay me to like ruby

13:26 <injekt> :)

13:26 <yorickpeterse> and I suppose at those scumbags up north

13:26 <apeiros> ericwood: rubymotion is in belgium

13:26 <ericwood> bah

13:26 <ericwood> I don't have $50 to spare

13:26 <rindolf> How can I read the Array documentation?

13:27 <apeiros> ri Array

13:27 <ericwood> with your eyes

13:27 <manveru> vim array.c

13:27 <apeiros> in your shell

13:27 <rindolf> ericwood: :-P

13:27 <apeiros> s/read/access/

13:27 <apeiros> "with your fingers", bah…

13:27 <rindolf> = Array < Object

13:27 <rindolf> (from gem activesupport-3.2.13)

13:27 <rindolf> WTF?

13:27 <ericwood> chmod ruby-docs.org +r

13:27 <manveru> lol

13:27 <ericwood> wrong order of arguments

13:27 <ericwood> whatever

13:27 <zzak> >> ri Array

13:27 <eval-in> zzak => /tmp/execpad-b6a716eaba71/source-b6a716eaba71:2:in `<main>': undefined method `ri' for main:Object (NoMethodError) (http://eval.in/30574)

13:27 <zzak> >> help Array

13:27 <eval-in> zzak => /tmp/execpad-ba870249d703/source-ba870249d703:2:in `<main>': undefined method `help' for main:Object (NoMethodError) (http://eval.in/30575)

13:28 <zzak> >> system("ri Array")

13:28 <eval-in> zzak => (http://eval.in/30576)

13:28 <yorickpeterse> ericwood: what exactly would you be looking for? Also, where are you currently based?

13:28 <apeiros> aiiii, please don't

13:28 <apeiros> that'd be like huge

13:28 <apeiros> though I think ze bot is restricted on output anyway

13:28 <zzak> Forbidden access to file `/usr/local/bin/ri'

13:28 <zzak> :(

13:28 <ericwood> yorickpeterse: I'm in Austin, and mostly I'm not serious about moving but I'm entertaining ideas

13:28 <manveru> chmod +x /usr/local/bin/ri

13:28 <yorickpeterse> ah

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13:29 <ericwood> I'll probably go backpack around later this year, though

13:29 <ericwood> end of relationship --> I need to get the hell out of here

13:29 <ericwood> now

13:29 <yorickpeterse> get a cat

13:29 <yorickpeterse> post pictures online

13:29 <ericwood> I have a dog

13:30 <yorickpeterse> so?

13:30 <ericwood> but I will be sharing custody

13:30 <yorickpeterse> heh

13:30 <ericwood> I'll probably stay in Austin for a while

13:31 <ericwood> it's nice here, even if the summers are horrible

13:31 <ericwood> and there is lotsa rubay to keep me busy

13:31 <ericwood> so that's my morning rambling

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13:31 <ericwood> I hope you all enjoyed reading it

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13:32 <rindolf> Anyone?

13:32 <ericwood> I can't magically bring ruby-doc.org back

13:32 <ericwood> that'd be a cool superpower, though

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13:33 <injekt> rindolf: me and yorickpeterse gave you links..

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13:33 <manveru> https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/array.c

13:33 <rindolf> injekt: to what?

13:33 <injekt> the docs?

13:33 <manveru> there you go, all the docs are in there

13:33 <ericwood> rindolf: to funny cat pictures

13:33 <rindolf> ericwood: I am not in a mood for jokes.

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13:34 <ericwood> http://rubydoc.info/stdlib

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13:34 <ericwood> there

13:34 <ericwood> now back to jokes...

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13:35 <rindolf> ericwood: thanks!

13:35 <rindolf> ericwood++

13:35 <ericwood> it was posted a while back

13:35 <injekt> twice

13:36 <ericwood> sidenote: enabling clicking to switch between tabs/panes in tmux ruins iTerm's ability to cmd+click on URLs :(

13:36 <zzak> ruby-doc.org will be back later

13:36 <ericwood> ...and in greater numbers

13:36 <zzak> james is on PST, so he wont be around till later

13:36 <zzak> to fix it

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13:37 <rindolf> How do I find the first object in an array that matches a certain condition? I see index { |item| } which gives me the index, but I want the value or "Nil" or whatever if not found.

13:37 <injekt> find

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13:37 <rindolf> http://rubydoc.info/stdlib/core/1.9.3/Array#find_index-instance_method

13:38 <rindolf> injekt: thanks.

13:38 <yorickpeterse> rindolf: why so serious?

13:38 * yorickpeterse runs

13:38 <rindolf> yorickpeterse: well, I'm in a better mood now.

13:38 <rindolf> injekt++

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13:39 <injekt> all this karma what do i spend it on

13:39 <ericwood> a trip to belgium

13:39 <injekt> ugh been there, I'm good

13:39 <yorickpeterse> injekt: cats

13:39 <ericwood> and European language lessons

13:39 <ericwood> injekt: is it worth visiting?

13:39 <injekt> yorickpeterse: I prefer dogs

13:39 <ericwood> serious question.

13:39 <injekt> ericwood: I've heard great things, but the places I stayed in were terrible

13:39 <ericwood> :'(

13:40 <ericwood> I'll probably stay in hostels

13:40 <yorickpeterse> injekt: fine, go get some bitches

13:40 <yorickpeterse> (see what I did there?)

13:40 <ericwood> injekt: the beer is heavenly, though

13:40 <injekt> ericwood: Yup I did

13:40 <zzak> ill hopefully be in belgium this october if my talk gets accepted to arrrcamp

13:40 <injekt> zzak: I might be able to do that one! Wish I could do Japan

13:41 <ericwood> I think my trip will be based around visiting trappist brewers and sampling their brews

13:41 <jaska> nom.

13:41 <ericwood> then I will befriend the monks and have a jolly good time drinking with them

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13:41 <injekt> ericwood: I did a tour around Europe a few years back, Belgium was the last place, I think we were tired at this point

13:42 <yorickpeterse> ericwood: so basically a giant pub crawl

13:42 <ericwood> ah yeah

13:42 <ericwood> yorickpeterse: heh kinda

13:42 <ericwood> but with lots of hiking

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13:42 <zzak> injekt: yay

13:42 <ericwood> I went to Switzerland last summer, it was amazing

13:42 <ericwood> albeit really fucking expensive

13:42 <ericwood> but hiking through the mountains was heavenly

13:43 <injekt> zzak: then we can drink beer!

13:43 <ericwood> the Swiss drink shit beer, though

13:43 <zzak> injekt: just in time for octoberfest, right?

13:43 <injekt> zzak: :D:D:D

13:43 <injekt> oktoberfest ftw!

13:43 <ericwood> isn't it usually just a bunch of drunk americans, though?

13:43 <injekt> ericwood: the UK do their bit

13:44 <ericwood> ah, yes

13:44 <injekt> we like beer here

13:44 <zzak> drink all the beers

13:44 <ericwood> beer is becoming more mainstream here

13:44 <injekt> and whiskey. lots of whiskey

13:44 <ericwood> Texas has quite the craft brewing scene as of late

13:44 <ericwood> it makes me so happy :')

13:45 <zzak> ericwood: did you get hit by that tornado?

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13:45 <ericwood> nope

13:45 <ericwood> there were tornadoes?

13:45 <ericwood> we didn't even get rain

13:45 <ericwood> :(

13:45 <zzak> it was north texas right?

13:46 <ericwood> yeah

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13:46 <ericwood> the northies

13:46 <zzak> :(

13:46 <ericwood> Austin is immune to weather

13:46 <ericwood> well

13:46 <ericwood> sometimes

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14:00 <rindolf> How can I get a list of the indexes in an array?

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14:02 <yorickpeterse> rindolf: that's just a range from 0 to LENGTH

14:02 <rindolf> yorickpeterse: thanks.

14:02 <yorickpeterse> an exclusive range that is

14:02 <rindolf> yorickpeterse: not LENGTH-1?

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14:02 <rindolf> yorickpeterse: well, it includes 0.

14:02 <yorickpeterse> >> numbers = [10, 20, 30]; indexes = (0...numbers.length)

14:03 <eval-in> yorickpeterse => 0...3 (http://eval.in/30578)

14:03 <yorickpeterse> eh yeah, -1 in that case

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15:09 <erikh> 0..numbers.length

15:10 <erikh> one less dot and no math required

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15:11 <erikh> >> numbers = [1,2,3]; (0..numbers.length)

15:11 <eval-in> erikh => 0..3 (http://eval.in/30585)

15:11 <erikh> wat

15:11 <erikh> eval-in: die

15:11 <erikh> I haven't been writing go for THAT long

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15:13 <injekt> :D

15:13 <erikh> injekt: thinking about porting all the things

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15:14 <injekt> uh oh

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15:15 <erikh> dunno, I'm not doing chef anymore for work, so I have less of a need for ruby

15:16 <injekt> true

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15:20 <rindolf> Thanks all for your help - it's working now.

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15:26 <whitequark> erikh: what's instead chef?

15:26 <cored> hello

15:26 <erikh> whitequark: puppet at this place

15:26 <erikh> (which isn't really much in teh way of ruby, even though it runs on it)

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15:27 <whitequark> ah right

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15:28 <whitequark> erikh: I thought about learning chef (chef-solo?) so that I could configure my server and (linux) desktop alike from scratch with as low fuss as possible

15:28 <whitequark> do you think it's a good idea?

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15:30 <erikh> yep, I do that here

15:30 <erikh> I think it's a great idea

15:30 <erikh> whitequark: sec, I've got a link for you

15:30 <erikh> http://www.solowizard.com/

15:30 <erikh> a guy I used to work with made this

15:31 <erikh> great way to get started.

15:31 <erikh> just remember, in chef, the block portions almost always run in instance_eval

15:31 <erikh> I can say this and know you know what it means, not something I get to do all the time

15:33 <whitequark> oh, thanks

15:33 <whitequark> it's os x but I could probably learn a lot from this

15:33 <erikh> yep, they use it for os x

15:33 <erikh> oh, you use linux

15:33 <yxhuvud> erikh: I like the idea of a wizard, but the selection of tools o_O

15:33 <erikh> yeah, it'll probably easier

15:34 <erikh> yxhuvud: he built it for pivotal

15:34 <erikh> so that's what they use I guess

15:34 <whitequark> erikh: I value being able to do strange things with my computers more than anything else :p so yes

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15:35 <erikh> whitequark: have you seen smartos?

15:35 <erikh> if you have an ivy bridge-based box, holy crap

15:35 <erikh> using it here for all my vms

15:35 <erikh> that and project-fifo.com

15:35 <erikh> or .net, can't remember now

15:35 <erikh> it is so awesome

15:36 <erikh> and it's solaris, which instantly makes it better than linux

15:36 <whitequark> erikh: ivy bridge indeed... bought it exactly for running hypervisors

15:37 <whitequark> however xen sucks as it breaks ACPI S3 with Linux dom0

15:37 <erikh> you should *definitely* check smartos out then

15:37 <erikh> yeah dude.

15:37 <erikh> smartos is a proper hypervisor that doesn't take shit from anything

15:37 <whitequark> i like most things about xen, but this makes it unusable for me :/

15:37 <erikh> it's what runs joyent public cloud

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15:38 <whitequark> erikh: can it do proper PCI passthrough?

15:38 <whitequark> as in... pci passthrough plus proper memory cacheability configuration

15:38 <whitequark> need this for discrete GPU to work properly.

15:38 <erikh> oh, probably not.

15:38 <erikh> it's for servers, yo

15:38 <whitequark> well, VT-d was originally for servers :p

15:38 <erikh> yeah, it doesn't do VT-d.

15:38 <whitequark> oh.

15:39 <whitequark> then, yeah, no.

15:39 <erikh> zones man

15:39 <erikh> you don't need it

15:39 <erikh> only if you use the lunix

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15:39 <whitequark> well, I'm going to run a linux vm inside? I'm used to the software stack plus I use some proprietary stuff which only has linux versions

15:40 <whitequark> that could range from steam to xilinx ise

15:40 <erikh> smartos has a full kvm port in it, but it runs hvm style

15:40 <erikh> linux, that is

15:40 <whitequark> I got it, yeah

15:40 <erikh> ah

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15:40 <whitequark> then I'd rather use kvm on a directly booted linux... seems that this is the only configuration which works for me.

15:40 <erikh> yeah, that makes sense

15:41 <erikh> oh, you see docker yet?

15:41 <whitequark> hm

15:41 <erikh> that might be better for you.

15:41 <erikh> docker.io IIRC

15:41 <whitequark> yes

15:41 <erikh> lxc

15:42 <erikh> whitequark: you could also help me finish my furnish project

15:42 <whitequark> I'm not sure... I use vms for both isolation and running other oses

15:42 <erikh> which is a generic system for provisioning machines

15:42 <erikh> where machine can run on, well, anything.

15:42 <whitequark> it's quite handy for e.g. running a windows guest, then doing USB passthrough and spying on communication

15:43 <whitequark> erikh: link to furnish?

15:43 <erikh> github.com/chef-workflow/furnish

15:43 <erikh> there's a bunch of addons in the chef-workflow org

15:43 <erikh> I just got rid of the vagrant dependency for virtualbox

15:43 <erikh> but I've been taking a break for a few weeks.

15:44 <erikh> vmware fusion is next, but you could write kvm or lxc support

15:44 <whitequark> hm.

15:44 <whitequark> I'm not sure I get it

15:44 <whitequark> what would you use furnish for?

15:44 <erikh> building 5 machines, making one a chef server, 4 chef clients, 2 syslog servers and 2 syslog clients

15:44 <erikh> stuff like that.

15:45 <erikh> it's embeddable

15:45 <erikh> so you can just make your ruby script -- no need for vagrantfiles or w/e

15:45 <erikh> that palsy lib I was telling you about the other day was built for it

15:45 <whitequark> eh... I don't really have an idea of what's going on in the opsland

15:45 <erikh> np. it's an automation tool more or less.

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16:28 <rindolf> Hi all.

16:28 <rindolf> http://paste.debian.net/4814/ - why does that happen?

16:29 <apeiros> why should it not happen?

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16:48 <yorickpeterse> rindolf: you know how shell commands work, right?

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16:51 <rindolf> yorickpeterse: I do.

16:51 <rindolf> yorickpeterse: OK, I found out I need to put bindings.pry

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16:53 <yorickpeterse> yes, Pry doesn't autostart

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17:29 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: how's foundry coming along?

17:30 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: a bit slow... there's some RL issues

17:30 <whitequark> however I promised to deliver something working at the mid-July and I'm going to work hard to fulfill that.

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17:35 <yorickpeterse> ah

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17:36 <whitequark> as you can see I at least improve parser :]

17:36 <yorickpeterse> heh yeah

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18:35 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: do you know of any decent resources for ruby-llvm (basic ones that is)? The samples/ dir is a bit confusing and the book "Creating your own programming language" (from the Thin guy) is basically just a big blob of code

18:35 <yorickpeterse> "Here's some Ruby LLVM, fuck you

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18:48 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: llvm.org

18:49 <whitequark> ruby-llvm is (currently at least) meant to be a thin wrapper around LLVM C API

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19:54 <jaimef> def find_by_attr(attr, value) { @somehash.select { |i,r| r.attr = value } } # how can I dereference the argument attr to worker properly in this context?

19:54 <jaimef> s/=/==/g

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20:02 <matti> zzak: Are you being attacked by a cat? ;]

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20:09 <zzak> send halp

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20:12 <matti> Haha

20:12 <matti> zzak: :)

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20:13 <matti> zzak: He looks grumpy.

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20:16 <matti> tenderlove: Is that your cat attacking zzak? ;]

20:16 <matti> Or is that you?

20:16 * matti confused.

20:16 <tenderlove> hahaha

20:16 <tenderlove> no

20:16 <matti> :>

20:16 <matti> No, not you. No, not your cat?

20:16 <matti> No, not zzak.

20:16 * matti even more confused.

20:16 <matti> :)

20:17 <zzak> tenderlove: rubykaigi cat show?

20:17 <matti> ;p

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20:21 <matti> Now I want to give tenderlove a hug too.

20:21 <matti> ;d

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21:01 <andrewvos> matti: Hey winky

21:01 <andrewvos> Err I mean person that winks a lot

21:01 <andrewvos> Shit

21:01 <andrewvos> That did not go how I expected

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21:02 <matti> LOL

21:02 <matti> andrewvos: :)

21:02 <matti> Winky.

21:02 <matti> Haha

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21:03 <andrewvos> hehehe

21:03 <GSilva> can someone tell me why can't I open Ruby, rvm or shoes?

21:03 <bougyman> shoes is still alive?

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21:04 <GSilva> I tried installing that bougyman, dunno

21:04 <GSilva> I'm new to programing and stuff

21:04 <GSilva> Just want to learn enough to make an application I need

21:06 <andrewvos> GSilva: What app do you want to make? Describe it and then we'll tell you how you're using the wrong thing :)

21:06 <GSilva> it's a business internal software

21:07 <andrewvos> Can you not make it as a website?

21:07 <GSilva> it's basicly a software to consult lots of data

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21:07 <andrewvos> An internal site?

21:07 <andrewvos> The thing with making actual applications is you can't easily get all users to update at the same time.

21:07 <GSilva> Well, my brother, programer, recommend ruby for being easy, safe and pretty much easy to write

21:07 <andrewvos> I mean, you can do it, but it will take lots of thought.

21:07 <GSilva> I'm the manager

21:07 <andrewvos> Yeah, you should totally use ruby

21:07 <GSilva> so people will get used to it :)

21:07 <andrewvos> yeah but they won't like it

21:08 <andrewvos> Though I may be wrong there

21:08 <GSilva> That doesn't botter me much

21:08 <andrewvos> But trust me, making a web app is the easiest option

21:08 <GSilva> and people who work with me are young fellaws, so they'll get used to it

21:08 <GSilva> but, the most important question

21:08 <GSilva> is there any tutorial working on Ubuntu 13?

21:08 <andrewvos> For shoes in particular?

21:08 <GSilva> I've tried 4 different tutorials to install Rails

21:09 <GSilva> I don't care if it is for shoes or boots... I mean, I just want the thing working...

21:09 <andrewvos> Ok, so you're going to display some data?

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21:09 <GSilva> like what?

21:10 <andrewvos> I'm asking, is that what you want this thing to do?

21:10 <GSilva> well, to start and to learn rubys language... yeah

21:10 <GSilva> I'm pretty new on programing, so, appart from HTML, it's the first language I'm learning

21:11 <andrewvos> Okay, well I think you should probably do some reading on Ruby first. If you know HTML then definitely use sinatra. Sinatra is for making simple websites and I think it will be a lot easier learning it than rails.

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21:11 <whitequark> someone, please explain this result to me: https://gist.github.com/whitequark/a70f0d6fcaaf3a1cda0a

21:11 <andrewvos> And you'll learn how things work

21:11 <whitequark> in other words, unshift is faster than push+reverse for practically any number of elements

21:11 <whitequark> shouldn't unshift actually shift each element each time?

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21:12 <GSilva> basicly, andrewvos, I've changed OS to have a more stable one to use something that simple? Don't think so :P

21:12 <GSilva> and I barely remember from HTML

21:13 <whitequark> yes, it does: http://rxr.whitequark.org/mri/source/array.c#963

21:13 <andrewvos> Ok well all I'm trying to tell you is that sinatra is a nice starting point for learning

21:13 <GSilva> learning Ruby?

21:14 <GSilva> yeah

21:14 <GSilva> I've seen it on their website

21:14 <GSilva> okay, I'll try to install that

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21:16 <whitequark> er #0152

21:16 <whitequark> *#1052

21:17 <andrewvos> I don't see much of a speed difference whitequark

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21:17 <whitequark> andrewvos: ruby version?

21:17 <andrewvos> https://gist.github.com/AndrewVos/5602026

21:17 <andrewvos> ruby 1.9.3p194 (2012-04-20 revision 35410) [x86_64-darwin12.2.1]

21:18 <whitequark> update the gist

21:18 <whitequark> F5 that is

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21:18 <andrewvos> Yeah?

21:19 <whitequark> https://gist.github.com/whitequark/a70f0d6fcaaf3a1cda0a#file-result-txt

21:19 <whitequark> 4x is a difference

21:19 <andrewvos> The 1000 batch, yeah ;/

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21:20 <whitequark> well, 2x

21:20 <andrewvos> IS there a gem that takes some images and makes a gif?

21:20 <andrewvos> Or can I use imagemagick to draw a whole lot in memory and gif them up?

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21:20 <andrewvos> I suppose I'll do some more googling, but feel free to answer of course

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21:27 <bjb_credil> I wrote a little c extension for ruby, and it calls into another library. I can build it but when I try to run a script that calls the c extension, I get ruby: symbol lookup error: /home/bjb/projects/gstreamer/bind/ext/mygst/Mygst.so: undefined symbol: gst_event_new_custom (the external library is libgstreamer and the function I'm trying to call is gst_event_new_custom)

21:27 <bjb_credil> What do I have to do to the makefile so that ruby finds the extra library?

21:28 <drbrain> bjb_credil: did you put have_library in your extconf.rb?

21:28 <bjb_credil> I tried adding -lgstreamer-0.10 (or -lgstreamer-1.0) to LOCAL_LIBS but it didn't help

21:29 <bjb_credil> No ... I'll give that a try, thanks drbrain

21:29 <drbrain> bjb_credil: like this: https://github.com/drbrain/capp/blob/master/ext/capp/extconf.rb#L6

21:30 <bjb_credil> great, I was just going to ask : -) thanks drbrain

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21:32 <jaimef> https://gist.github.com/5602118 will the inner portion of the each block evaluate as the critera for the select?

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21:33 <drbrain> bjb_credil: with have_library 'pcap', ruby will automatically add -lpcap to LIBS in the generated Makefile

21:33 <bjb_credil> While we're improving my abilities with extconf: what can I add to it to have extra include files put into the Makefile?

21:33 <bjb_credil> include directories, I mean

21:33 <drbrain> bjb_credil: as dependencies?

21:34 <drbrain> I always to $CFLAGS << " -I wherever"

21:34 <drbrain> let's see if there's a better way

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21:34 <bjb_credil> -I/usr/include/gstreamer-0.10

21:35 * drbrain nods

21:35 <bjb_credil> on phone

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21:36 <drbrain> bjb_credil: I think you would do: ruby extconf.rb --with-gstreamer-include=/usr/include/gstreamer-0.10

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21:36 <drbrain> but it looks like you can use dir_config also

21:37 <drbrain> from nokogiri: https://github.com/sparklemotion/nokogiri/blob/master/ext/nokogiri/extconf.rb#L145-L148

21:40 <bjb_credil> drbrain, thanks! --with-gstreamer-include looks great, and I will look at the nokigiri thing

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21:42 <bjb_credil> nokogiri: quite the exciting extconf file

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21:47 <drbrain> it's probably the most robust extconf.rb in existence

21:49 <darix> drbrain: assuming $prefix/lib is bad imho

21:49 <bjb_credil> woohoo, my first segfault. Progress.

21:49 <drbrain> darix: if you can show how to break it for some platform I bet it will get fixed :)

21:50 <drbrain> bjb_credil: I have become good enough at C extensions that my first segfault comes distressingly late

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21:51 <darix> drbrain: i am not in the mood to break things atm. i just ran into problems with that assumption enough already. we use lib64, debian i have heard even uses lib-<archname>.

21:52 <darix> though in the libxml case you probably get saved by the pkg-config stuff :)

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21:57 <bjb_credil> So, the reason I'm trying to do this is because I want to use a function in libgstreamer that the existing ruby bindings don't cover - gst_event_new_custom. But, if I make a library that calls into libgstreamer then I have to initialize my library. But, my ruby app already talks to libgstreamer and presumably initializes it - I guess I just want to extend the ruby bindings. Without having to recompile the existing bindings. Is that

21:57 <bjb_credil> Or should I ask this in #gstreamer?

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22:00 <bjb_credil> I basically want to poke an element and have it send me back an EOS message. I already tried sending EOS event but it didn't like it - "not allowed" or similar (presumably because EOS is not UPSTREAM type of event)

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22:04 <drbrain> #gstreamer may help some with that, but it sounds like you want to patch the existing libgstreamer binding

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