<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: maybe here is better?
<wolfspraul> how are you btw? haven't chat in a while! :-) I saw some gps wiki updates... any fix yet? :-)
<kristianpaul> yeah sorry
<kristianpaul> http://gibson.softwarelivre.org/static/2011/low/sala41a/sala41a-low-201106301601.ogg Werner talk at fisl about making copyleft hardware
<wolfspraul> downloading :-)
<kristianpaul> wolfspraul: dont expect a fix yet
<wolfspraul> what's the license of the video?
<kristianpaul> but also thing is BAD
<kristianpaul> i exlplain
<kristianpaul> i'm working on getting telemtry, onces this came stable and with no problem, any gps/gnss/lib can work with the navigation data and get a fix point
<kristianpaul> license...
<kristianpaul> ask Werner ;-)
<kristianpaul> he is the speaker anyway i guess
<wolfspraul> yeah I just hope the guy holding the camera doesn't think his part is the most important...
<wolfspraul> why low btw? Is this the matching high-res link? http://gibson.softwarelivre.org/static/2011/high/sala41a/sala41a-high-201106301600.ogv
<kristianpaul> yes, i'm editing wiki as i'll ge crazy if dont document steps i'm following
<kristianpaul> low? well, my home dsl link is not the faster of the town :)
<wolfspraul> if the license is acceptable I'll upload the high-res version into the Qi wiki for archival
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: ok keep talking about gps, sorry. I am downloading the low-res first and will check the license.
<wolfspraul> so it's moving forward slowly?
<kristianpaul> yes as always :)
<wolfspraul> what is bad?
<wolfspraul> yes
<wolfspraul> :-)
<wolfspraul> bit by bit
<wolfspraul> :-)
<wolfspraul> but that's good, it allows for some thinking in between, and good documentation
<kristianpaul> is not bad, i just noticed i can improve speed if if ducment all better
<kristianpaul> even what is not clear to me yet
<wolfspraul> great
<kristianpaul> i hate every weeked have to recall what was that i was having problems with and so on, so you can imagin my mess :)
<kristianpaul> but namuru hdl, should be generally ok, now, what lacks and i'm working on is the acquisition algoryth that will allow later to track satelites
<kristianpaul> once that work and is stable, i can celebrate a little here :)
<kristianpaul> Artyom is moving forward too, so now i have more excuses to speedup ;)
<wolfspraul> good
<wolfspraul> the documentation part is great
<wolfspraul> interesting thought that the weekend rhythm forces you to document well :-)
<wolfspraul> kinda makes sense, I will think more about this idea...
<kristianpaul> i work that way, or with task for a day within week. if cant resolve the problem in one day (actually when i traveling back to home in the bus), then i make some notes for weekedn
<kristianpaul> but afaik some notes get lost.. i need to find better way to sync
<kristianpaul> wolfspraul: https://twitter.com/#!/fisl_oficial check 12 sep updates, thats were link came from
<wolfspraul> I downloaded the low-res video, no license info at all
<wolfspraul> I will just assume the cc-by-sa from the presentation
<wolfspraul> and I will download high-res, the quality is pretty bad in low
<wpwrak> (video license dunno) they made everyone sign a release form but i don't even know what exactly it says :) from my side, all is under cc-by-sa
<kristianpaul> high-res link dint look like, even when the labels match quite
<wpwrak> (video finally released) that was quick :)
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: didn't look like?
<wolfspraul> you mean the high-res video contains another talk?
<kristianpaul> yes
<kristianpaul> android
<kristianpaul> vlc told me
<wolfspraul> where is Werner's high-res talk then?
<kristianpaul> i wish i know too :)
<roh> kristianpaul: ack. checked the file
<kristianpaul> btw may be the ogg file have more medatada like license, but vlc dint make that obvious
<wolfspraul> first I try to find Werner in high-res
<kristianpaul> is too big for been just one talk.
<kristianpaul> ah, no..
<wolfspraul> I was just looking at that too
<wolfspraul> 720 MB
<wolfspraul> Werner's talk in there?
<wolfspraul> it's amazing how bad all this is btw
<wolfspraul> 2 months delay
<wolfspraul> lousy quality
<kristianpaul> i warned :)
<wolfspraul> horrible browsing/metadata
<kristianpaul> ccc should learn from then :p
<wolfspraul> well, I think it's like this for a lot of events
<kristianpaul> but not that bad
<kristianpaul> even debian debconf have better releases dates
<wolfspraul> there are just too few people passionate about video, documentaries, the realities of real-time and high-res streaming, etc. etc.
<wolfspraul> so anyway, can we still find Werner in a little higher-res than the low-res link you found?
<wolfspraul> that 720 MB file is wrong? (I am downloading right now)
<kristianpaul> not donwload !!
<kristianpaul> just launch vlc url.. and check tittle and duration
<wolfspraul> who knows, I don't trust this
<wolfspraul> media files are garbled, metadata is wrong, my vlc is also quite buggy and crashing etc :-)
<kristianpaul> well if you have a T1 there, no problem :)
<wolfspraul> I will download and check it with a couple of viewers
<kristianpaul> oh well .. :)
<wolfspraul> maybe the gems are in there somewhere
<wolfspraul> 720 mb is suspiciously large
<wolfspraul> maybe the files ending in 00 are junk?
<wolfspraul> your initial link pointed to a few seconds garbled firefox snippet
<wolfspraul> how to support 400 million users, ha ha
<wolfspraul> we should rephrase. how to never have to support 1 billion users. :-)
<wolfspraul> after some resistance, I finally switched to chromium now. 400 million - 1
<wolfspraul> 1300 ?
<wolfspraul> that's the same as 1601 in low-res ?
<wolfspraul> downloading...
<kristianpaul> vlc showed the tittle, and if i forward a bit i can see finally slides with links and listen questions so yes it is
<kristianpaul> dont ask why, i jsut went trial error,
<roh> hm... meh.. yes..
<wolfspraul> well excellent!
<wolfspraul> thanks so much!
<wolfspraul> we will pull out out of this pile of data anyway
<roh> seems the same file. and i thought our congress (ccc) videos are shitty named ;)
<wolfspraul> it's a difficult problem, but amazing that in most cases it's so bad
<roh> low is 400x300 video + audio in 22khz at 60kbit
<roh> high is 640x480 video + 22khz audio at 67kbit
<wolfspraul> great milkymist one is in fact high-res
<kristianpaul> small pc :-)
<wolfspraul> back when I had EGA 640x480 was indeed unreachable
<wpwrak> all this stuff it probably not done by the free software geeks of fisl but by the company that organized the conference. they still live in blissful ignorance in their closed world :)
<roh> give that low is 101 and high 108mbyte,.. forget low
<wpwrak> heh, makes me remember how i hated those slow color graphics cards. had an ET4000. hated it. then finally the 2D-accelerated S3 801 came along and i was happy :)
<wolfspraul> sorry I meant my 320x200 CGA
<roh> wpwrak: its theora video and ogg audio.. i am sure some nerd encoded it
<wpwrak> CGA. oh dear :)
<wolfspraul> roh: low is really bad
<wolfspraul> in addition to a bad recording angle
<wolfspraul> at least they used a tripod :-)
<wpwrak> roh: hmm, maybe
<wolfspraul> I haven't even listened to audio yet, sitting at a noisy starbucks. but my expectations will surely be exceeded :-)
<roh> its understandable and doesnt have a 40db snr humm on it.. so you'll be fine
<kristianpaul> audio is not bad
<kristianpaul> what exlplain size, i guess is because all the talk is the slides and no moving werner on stage
<wpwrak> i should use "actually" and "for instance" a bit less :)
<kristianpaul> !top words
<kristianpaul> !top ten words
<kristianpaul> bah, few questions ..
<wpwrak> yeah, and as far as i remember, i didn't answer them well. at the end, i was also running out of time. the talk just fit the time slot :)
<kristianpaul> your voice noticed quite agitated indeed
<wpwrak> i think that's how i usually talk :)
<kristianpaul> oh, i tought was because want to fit time slot :)
<kristianpaul> anyway, nice talk !!
<kristianpaul> now you see it again, you think you missed something in the slides?
<kristianpaul> looks very complete for me
<wpwrak> thanks :) naw, nothing major missing. maybe the end could use a bit of restructuring
<wpwrak> ah .. now i remember ... just before the talk, jon kindly treated me to a cup of coffee. and i was too polite to refuse. that had me in high gear :)
<kristianpaul> xiangfu: Hello
<xiangfu> hi
<kristianpaul> Do you know why qvido is not included anymore in owrt releases?
<kristianpaul> and i dint knew it was a vido too
<kristianpaul> here say http://www.openzim.org/ZIM_Readers
<wolfspraul> no reason probably just broken & not compiling
<wolfspraul> yes very nice video actually
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: thanks so much for noticing and helping find the right one :-)
<wolfspraul> I will upload into the qi wiki, mention in the news etc.
<wolfspraul> so it's all properly archived and can be referred to later
<kristianpaul> he, no problem, i just remenber to check and then  was there !! :-)
<wolfspraul> yes great
<wolfspraul> very very good
<wolfspraul> those things are super important to build a strong foundation
<wolfspraul> since that whole copyleft hardware thing is still not self explanatory, and probably won't be for a while
<wolfspraul> I think that will only change once we have a kickass product and people will ask "how is this possible?" "where is this coming from?" etc
<kristianpaul> nice, i tought i was the only who spelled qi word by word instead of as syllable (wich is kinda odd ;))
<wpwrak> i wouldn't know hw to properly pronounce "qi" ;-)
<kristianpaul> lol
<wpwrak> like english "key" ? or maybe like french "qui" ? etc. :)
<kristianpaul> is like "shee"
<wpwrak> oh. so i would have gotten it totally wrong :)
<kristianpaul> but nah, this is not a home energetic project
<kristianpaul> well thats was last time i got told was that way, was carlos camargo i think who pointed me that
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system: remvoe kmod-xfs, remove stardict from image (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f04ea68
<kristianpaul> good
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: zimread update to r362, enable build (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/fe60208
<xiangfu> wpwrak, can I upload this file to youtube? http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Sala41a-high-201106301300.ogv
<xiangfu> we have a channel in youtube :) http://www.youtube.com/user/xiangfuliu?feature=mhee
<DocScrutinizer> (Qi) ask Wolfgang. He should know how the chinese word shall be pronounced
<DocScrutinizer> always considered it a strange "coincidence" that the bootloader is called the same like this enterprise
<DocScrutinizer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi  >>In traditional Chinese culture, qì (also chi or ch'i) is an active principle forming part of any living thing...<<
<DocScrutinizer> tschi (eng.: chee)
<DocScrutinizer> Qi (Ch'i)
<DocScrutinizer> Qì (chinesisch # /  qì, IPA (hochchinesisch) [ÈtƒiÐ], W.-G. Ch'i)
<DocScrutinizer> german wikipedia always a bit more err "german" ;-D
<DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi
<DocScrutinizer> so thinking about it, I wonder if Qi-hardware refers to neiqi or waiqi, or even yuanqi
<DocScrutinizer> a very natural name for an OS running on qi-hw (ben) was Qigong :-)
<DocScrutinizer> ben's sysinternals suite: Aiki
<kristianpaul> lol
<wpwrak> ironically, samsung makes fridges ...
<qi-bot> [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Removed one last occurrence of hardcoded minimum CPU frequency. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8d04cf1
<qi-bot> [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Do not constrain the max CPU frequency for apps on setting the string value. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8bcd039
<qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: mfd: Use generic irq chip for jz4740-adc (jz-3.0) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/7d98bd6
<qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: mfd: jz4740-adc: Fix generic irq chip ack function name. (jz-3.0) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/61390f3
<qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: mfd: jz4740-adc: Make jz4740_adc_driver static (jz-3.0) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/9105a59
<qi-bot> [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Corrected capitalization of megahertz. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/03ea679
<qi-bot> [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Fixed mistake in 8bcd03962f2fb1c6166eebd280b6648d3387eac8. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/6729e30
<mth> drivers/mfd/jz4740-adc.c: In function 'jz4740_adc_probe':
<mth> drivers/mfd/jz4740-adc.c:289:3: warning: passing argument 3 of 'mfd_add_devices' discards 'const' qualifier from pointer target type [enabled by default]
<mth> include/linux/mfd/core.h:93:12: note: expected 'struct mfd_cell *' but argument is of type 'const struct mfd_cell *'
<larsc> just a warning
<mth> larsc: I got that warning before today's changes as well, probably switching to GCC 4.6 triggers it
<mth> yes, but I like to keep the number of warnings as low as possible, so potentially serious things stand out
<mth> the cleanest solution would be to update the prototype of mfd_add_devices, I guess
<larsc> won't work. it was const before, but due to some ugly changes in the mfd core it can't be currently
<mth> but is it safe then to pass a const to it?
<larsc> yes and no ;)
<mth> we could cast away the const until the mtd core is fixed
<mth> or do you think that will be so soon it is not worth it?
<larsc> I hope that it will be fixed, not sure if it is going to be soon though
<kristianpaul> malicious circuit, rms at least is finding new words :)
<larsc> kristianpaul: where?
<qwebirc66055> Hello. Does anyone know if the ks7010 driver is a fullmac driver or a softmac driver?
<larsc> fullmac
<larsc> hm, to late
<wpwrak> "damn, STILL no answer ?!? and i waited two whole seconds for it !" :)
<viric> For those still not Rushkoff fans... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms5ym3SdUU8 :)
<viric> (if you have five minutes)
<erikkugel> hi guys, If wanted to make a USB to Ethernet (Cat5+RJ45) cable myself, to connect the Nanonote to an Ethernet port on a PC, which pins on the Ethernet Jack should I connect to the pins on the USB tip? Or, which cat5 wires should I connect to the 4 cables in a usb wire? I found some instructions online but there was no explanation. Should I just Connect D+ to D+ and D- to D- and leave power and grounding on the USB un-wired?
<wpwrak> erikkugel: this doesn't seem to make sense at all. as far as i know, there's no compatibility at the physical layer between ethernet and usb. do you have a link to those instructions you found ?