<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: add software volume control (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2818807
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files add system volume control thanks EdorFaus (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/dab010a
<kristianpaul> sht.. io error :-|
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system include new packages (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/efbdee0
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmu update release version for the volume button patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/488c05f
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: supertux icon resize to 32x32 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/7426afb
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/43ed54b
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: add timeout, add poweroff and reboot buttons (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/93c58bf
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/09a6030
<kyak> xiangfu: i have some concerns about the new asound.conf
<kyak> are you sure that microphone will work by default?
<kyak> with the previous asound.conf, it just worked out of the box
<wpwrak> kyak: it seems foolish to answer such a question with "yes" ;-)
<kyak> wpwrak: i don't quite understand you
<wpwrak> kyak: in general, when someone asks "are you sure that ...", this person is quite convinced that the contrary is true :)
<kyak> wpwrak: yeah, that's the case, i guess..
<wpwrak> kyak: as in "are you sure you want to use the hairdryer while in the bathtub ?"
<kyak> :)
<kyak> wait a minute.. it's /etc/asound.conf, not /etc/asound.state
<kyak> i don't have a Ben at hand, but i'm really not sure how it will work :)
<xiangfu> kyak, hmm  didn't test . not sure about this. testing now
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: Revert "nanonote-files: add software volume control" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6b164a7
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: disable MIC by default (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/460e0fa
<kyak> xiangfu: "disable mic by default" - but why?
<xiangfu> <xiangfu> kyak, reverted. and mark mic disable by default as before
<xiangfu> <xiangfu> thanks for notice :)
<kyak> no-no
<kyak> i remember i couldn't make it work for like several months because i didn't have a glue you have to hit "space"
<kyak> on the mic is alsamixer
<kyak> that's so confusing
<xiangfu> kyak, oh sorry. don't know maybe too much works not think. just revert :(
<xiangfu> kyak, revert revert
<xiangfu> revert revert don't have commit log from qi-bot :(
<xiangfu> kyak, I am also prepare the changelog here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/OpenWrt_Software_Image#NEXT
<xiangfu> kyak, if I miss something just add them :)
<xiangfu> seems asound.conf is useless , the asound.state is enough for software volume control
<wolfspraul> xiangfu: btw, the changelog should also include negative news (regressions), like for example the Python problem if it still exists
<wolfspraul> we have no reason to not be open about the loss of functionality we would like to have
<wolfspraul> (i understand there are some workarounds/fixes, so maybe the Python thing is already resolved, but just saying in general)
<xiangfu> wolfspraul, at the bottom there is 'ISSUE'
<xiangfu> under 'NEW PACKAGES' section
<wolfspraul> I would probably just say 'negative' or so :-)
<wolfspraul> nothing to be proud of, but if it's there it's there so I think we can handle the truth
<wolfspraul> but yes, good that it's there.
<wolfspraul> should we remove mediatomb and stardict?
<wolfspraul> I still feel there is little value in keeping broken software, especially not in the image.
<xiangfu> not included in ubi image
<xiangfu> but mediatomb and stardict build as packages
<xiangfu> hmm... I would vote keep them as packages.
<wolfspraul> sure as packages it's ok I guess
<xiangfu> I guess there are maybe some packages not working in nanonote under: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/NanoNote/Ben/latest/
<xiangfu> BTW. I pass some company today, leave them some milkymist one brochures :)
<xiangfu> it's a event manager company. I just saw it and leave some brochures in front of their door. :) I try to direct give them to their people but I think I scared this girl
<kyak> xiangfu: thanks :)
<kyak> i'll have a look at changelog, see if something is missing
<kyak> xiangfu: new packages ibr* - btw, they fail to build -\
<xiangfu> ok. will remove them from new packages.
<xiangfu> "The original StarDict project has recently been removed from SourceForge due to copyright infringement reports. Most of the files were lost with the demise of the project. The project has re-emerged here since then, though the legal issues may never have been resolved. "
<wolfspraul> [m1 brochures] - nice
<wolfspraul> if they are interested, they will come forward. just give them a chance so they cannot later complain they didn't know about it ;-)
<wolfspraul> [stardict] well, don't know. we have to make our own judgment. do we have all the sources? do we think they are properly licensed as free software?
<fossrox_> guys, please check out this: http://www.osnews.com/story/25056/The_Community_Design_and_you_Thought_the_USPTO_Was_Bad - they came up with another form of intellectual property rights, it works like patents, and has nothing to do with any community from what i get but they labeled it "Community Designs" - maybe to make people talk bad about community designs
<wpwrak_> fossrox_: nice, eh ? :) i'm still not quite sure if this should be viewed more as a potential threat or as an insult
<wpwrak> hmm, the drawback of being able to quickly define a set of ~80 different parts with a few simple rules in fped is that, eventually, you'll do just that ....
<fossrox_> wpwrak_, yes, it's really such a crap that i don't know what to say more
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/sot.fpd: experimental "generic" SOT footprint (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/5e1d03b
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/stdpass.fpd: added 2010 and 2512 (imperial) footprints (draft) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/0d0c302
<wpwrak> wolfspraul: hmm, so what happened with rejon's attempt at orthogonalizing the qi logo ?
<rejon> its still there
<rejon> i just haven't pushed on it much
<rejon> you can get off http://fabricatorz.com
<wpwrak> rejon: hah ! :) how does wolfgang like it ?
<wpwrak> hmm, that's the M1 logo. how about the qi-hw logo ?
<wpwrak> ah, at the bottom
<wpwrak> do you have a description of the geometry somwhere ?
<wpwrak> e.g., is it in a square grid ? or are there some non-integer distances ?
<wpwrak> naw, looks like integers
<wpwrak> hmm. almost
<wpwrak> uses half-grid points. damn those designers ! :)
<wpwrak> rejon: here's a partial attempt at gridifying it: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/qi-hw.png
<wpwrak> rejon: seems that 7 (the width) should be 7.5. the distance of the "leg" is a bit more difficult, doesn't quite fall on a grid or half-grid point. it's also hard to tell because you used anti-aliasing. is there an original version that has clean edges ?
<rejon> pleae fix
<rejon> please fix
<rejon> sorry under the gun
<rejon> that is a cool tool
<rejon> wpwrak, yes, lets make them all consistent
<rejon> and the sharism and qi and ben symbols
<wpwrak> for now, i just need qi :) the others are much harder anyway
<wpwrak> for the qi logo, how about 7 -> 7.5 and stretching the leg from 5 to 5.5 ? i think then it should be roughly the same
<wpwrak> well, i'll double all the numbers. fractional numbers are a sign of indecision :)
<wpwrak> rejon: does the qi-hw logo have any invisible properties ? such as a minimum clearance ?
<rejon> the more logical the better on that qi
<rejon> it should be better designed
<rejon> i agree
<rejon> and the qi font should be better
<wpwrak> qi font ?
<wpwrak> how about clearances and such ? any minimum recommended border ? can other stuff go into the open white space of the qi-hw logo ?
<kyak> wolfspraul: should we mention that the new release is not binary-compatible with previous one in "ISSUE"?
<wpwrak> rejon: the sharp corners have the interesting property that some of them can't be milled
<kristianpaul> oh please kyak
<kristianpaul> i used to have my local toolchain, seems i have to re-compile again.. :/
<kristianpaul> well..
<jow_laptop> kyak: do you build the toolchain with your releases?
<kristianpaul> for i686? ;-)
<jow_laptop> I did that for openwrt 10.03.1-rc5 and it seems to work well
<jow_laptop> the corresponding .config symbol is CONFIG_MAKE_TOOLCHAIN=y
<jow_laptop> this is of course a bit less useful if the build host is amd64
<jow_laptop> also if its very new, in particular the used glibc, the resulting binaries may not run everywhere
<wolfspraul> kyak: yes, good idea. Let's mention that. Last time people complained.
<wolfspraul> wpwrak: don't know where Jon stands on that
<kristianpaul> kyak: how often this binary-compatible issue happen?
<kyak> kristianpaul: this is the first time, due to major upgrade of uClibc 0.9.30 - 0.9.32 (there was one release based on 0.9.32), but we quickly changed back to 0.9.30 :)
<wpwrak> heh, "major upgrade" and 0.9.30->0.9.32. so that's how you express the concept of "understatement" in version numbers ;-)
<wpwrak> wolfspraul: (logo) do you like the "digitalized" one ?
<wpwrak> wolfspraul: regarding the design details, i'd just post them on the list. then rejon can process them at his leisure :)
<kyak> wpwrak: if i'm not mistaken, there had been several years between these releases :) so yeah, they are major
<kyak> trying to find a kernel cmdline parameter to control the bell.. "setterm -bfreq 0" prints escape characters to a terminal, and i don't like it..
<kristianpaul> hum, nupdf still there..?
<kristianpaul> oh man :)
<kristianpaul> if people can read on their bb why i cant on my nn ;)
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/: schematics symbols and footprints (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/2c5a008
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/: BOOKSHELF and mechanical drawings (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/50157a4
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/: "digitalized" Qi-Hardware logo (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/fe057ee
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: gcc-mips workaround (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/b14a89b
<Ayla> I've been away for several days
<Ayla> somebody highlighted me here, but my log is not long enough, I can't read the message :(
<Ayla> kyak, thanks!
<kristianpaul> how i zoom inout in nupdf?..
<kristianpaul> lol
<kristianpaul> o is for zoom in ;)
<Ayla> and 'i' is for zoom out?
<kristianpaul> yeah
<kristianpaul> and enter to jump to n page but it give segfault..
<kristianpaul> but is dam fast
<kyak> kristianpaul: i remember nupdf used to segfault when you jumped to non-existent page
<kristianpaul> like page 2? :)
<kyak> yes, if it is a single page pdf :)
<kristianpaul> kyak: btw you added the poke in the inittab?
<kristianpaul> or..
<kyak> yep, it;s there
<kyak> not inittab though
<kyak> just a start script
<kristianpaul> ah ;)
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Revert "gcc-mips workaround" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/1080cfe
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: gcc-mips: temporary workaround (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a772fbe
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/border.fig: various definitions of borders (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/8c52517
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/border.fig: more clarifications (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/8f8af98
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/corners.fig: some clarifications here as well (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/cd19fe6
<wpwrak> wolfspraul: regarding jon's logo: do you like idea / the design ?
<wpwrak> wolfspraul: btw, did you trademark name or logo anywhere ?
<wpwrak> (or plan to)
<wolfspraul> [like new logo] I'm fine with both
<wolfspraul> I have the old logo in a lot of places and I will not spend any time to replace them
<wolfspraul> if Jon is pushing the new logo into places, great
<wolfspraul> :-)
<wpwrak> heh ;-)
<wolfspraul> [trademarks] for a while I spent a lot of money on US and EU trademarks, then I realized the system stinks, only slightly less than the patent system.
<wolfspraul> so now I trademark nothing anymore, and I leave the ones that are already registered or in different states of registrations abandoned
<wpwrak> the old one would be a bitch to include in, say, faceplates or to print it on PCBs. that is, unless the tools in question don't just work like a postscript printer
<wolfspraul> in other words, I go back to the good old system of 'trademarks' (tm), not 'registered trademarks' (r)
<wpwrak> (trademark) very good. i expected nothing less ;-)
<wolfspraul> I take them serious, but the registered databases are a joke
<wolfspraul> bloated, inefficient, made by and for lawyers
<wolfspraul> large companies are trampling over this anyway, they long don't care anymore, other than some lawyers feeding themselves there of course
<wolfspraul> if I have a trademark X registered, and Apple (for example, pick any other giant) chooses to use X 3 years later, they will just do it
<wolfspraul> :-)
<wolfspraul> the databases are even used to hunt down enemies, which they would otherwise not find
<wolfspraul> for example Elphel registered a trademark "/* source inside */" over 5 years ago
<wolfspraul> and used it on the outside of their cameras
<wpwrak> "intel inside" ;-)
<wolfspraul> until after over 5 years Intel found out about it. maybe one of their lawyers had nothing to do on a Friday, did a little search.
<wolfspraul> so screw the system, Intel lawyers on 500 USD / hr paychecks will just contact you directly
<wolfspraul> they will not file an opposition through the system etc.
<wpwrak> or it took them 5 years to work their way to "e" ;-)
<wolfspraul> they just bully you, and eventually it's smarter to give up on your "rights"
<wpwrak> should have studied law :)
<wolfspraul> bottom line: not one more penny into the rotten system of trademark registrations