<wpwrak> lekernel: so i'm not the only one who doesn't quite understand all the buzz about the arduino ;-)
<lekernel> there's a word for it: hipsterism
<wpwrak> lekernel: heh ;-)
<freespace> this brings to mind the word elitism
<freespace> :P
<bartbes> I'd say it's more like ease of use
<bartbes> it's an easy way to get into 'hardware'
<bartbes> hmm
<bartbes> better word would be electronics
<bartbes> it allows you to build pretty complicated stuff really fast
<bartbes> you could say it's mostly a prototyping platform
<freespace> got it in one bartbes
<unclouded> can Arduino boards be used as a normal AVR development board?
<bartbes> as in?
<unclouded> like having spike suppression on RESET and a 10-pin header but being able to blow away the Arduino bootloader and use it like a normal AVR
<freespace> you you can easily blow away the bootloader
<freespace> what is spike suppression on reset?
<bartbes> ofc you can overwrite the bootloader
<unclouded> stops noise resetting the AVR when you didn't expect it
<bartbes> provided you have a programmer
<freespace> how is it done 'normally'
<unclouded> a stronger pull-up and a capacitor
<bartbes> well, I guess it has that
<bartbes> because I have never seen it reset at random
<freespace> me neither
<freespace> the schematics are available online, this should be a simple thing to check
<unclouded> I haven't seen one reset without the suppression parts either but Atmel still recommends those external parts for production systems
<freespace> there is at the very least a pullup :http://arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/arduino-duemilanove-schematic.pdf
<orly_owl> when is the next nanonote out
<unclouded> anyway I just wondered about the Arduino boards.  I don't have any EE qualifications so I'm talking out of my hat a bit
<unclouded> freespace: thanks for the schematic.  looks like C13 does spike suppression
<freespace> nod
<lekernel> unclouded, arduino boards are normal avr boards - nothing else...
<wolfspraul> lekernel: thanks for the excellent GPS links, I never saw this project before!
<qi-commits> Mirko Vogt: move metadata such as config and unpackaged files into git - directory data/ http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e6555e7
<kristianpaul> mirko: awake?
<kristianpaul> mirko: are you aware of new X features in backfire openwrt?
<kristianpaul> and the posibillity of give the option to run X on the xbusrt openwrt in case X could works nice?
<kristianpaul> :)