<enyc>
DocScrutinizer05: howso? what would you conisder you should be doing ? etc.
<DocScrutinizer05>
I consider it's friday evening and I had no breakfast yet
<DocScrutinizer05>
on a sidenote: it seems devuan finally goes BETA
<DocScrutinizer05>
will be back later, sharing some blabla
<DocScrutinizer05>
not much news to share, sorry
<enyc>
devuan is just no-systemd-debian ?
<Arch-TK>
what was that dbus library for GSM modem operation?
<DocScrutinizer05>
basically yes
<enyc>
I really think would be helpful to actually do the work, dependencies, etc. -- to get 'uselessd' into debian.
<Arch-TK>
(I know there are many, but I think someone once pointed me at a specific one which was quite featureful)
<DocScrutinizer05>
FSO?
<enyc>
and commiting any compatibility patches (sysvinit scripts, uselessd compatibility fixes, etc), into debian
<enyc>
rather than setting up a fork
<DocScrutinizer05>
or ofono?
<Arch-TK>
DocScrutinizer05: can you recommend a cheap USB GSM modem thing or whatever they're called
<Arch-TK>
GSM "dongle"
<DocScrutinizer05>
enyc: please /join #devuan and see https://devuan.org
<DocScrutinizer05>
Arch-TK: nope, sorry
<ndnihil>
Arch-TK: google around for what gsm dongles people are using for asterisk/freepbx
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, that sounds like a good advice
<ndnihil>
I had a shopping list put together for that purpose but never got around to ordering
<DocScrutinizer05>
enyc: it's not just uselessd
<DocScrutinizer05>
enyc: if it was, you could uninstall systemd from debian and replace it by a homegrown build of uselessd any time
<DocScrutinizer05>
try uninstalling systemd, I guess you'll be unpleasantly surprised
<DocScrutinizer05>
enyc: debian is no fork, it's a superset
<DocScrutinizer05>
install systemd to devuan and you got debian
<DocScrutinizer05>
just better
<DocScrutinizer05>
try uninstalling systemd from debian and you got a pile of defect nonfunctional junk
<DocScrutinizer05>
each devuan package should install on debian without problems, just you'll need to install systemd for many *debian* packages. Each app maintainer is free to package for devuan and this will include/imply debian compatiblitiy
<DocScrutinizer05>
so why should any devuan devel contribute to debian? who can't debian "contribute to something similar to devuan"?
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/who /why /
<DocScrutinizer05>
when debian allowed packages to depend on systemd and actually e.g. udev already does, they told all users wanting init freedom to go get lost. How to contribute to such distro when you want get rid of systemd?
<DocScrutinizer05>
debian could easily adopt devuan without alienating *any* of their users, and that wpould effectively obsolete and void the whole devuan project, yet keep everybody happy, except those systemd-or-die fanboys
<DocScrutinizer05>
>>SIGHUP is systemd's way to force a reload.<< OHMY
* DocScrutinizer05
headdesks a little
<pigeons>
it never stops with systemd
<DocScrutinizer05>
SUUURe and all daemons adoped that because big god of systemd poettering told them to do so
<DocScrutinizer05>
SIGHUP always been the way of choice to reload, of several daemons, even before systemd was just a wet dream in peottering's phantasies
<DocScrutinizer05>
next post brings it to the point, though unwillingly ironically: >>All i read are people who dont understand systemd. <<
<DocScrutinizer05>
>>One can just migrate to Devuan by installing devuan-baseconf.deb which will re-configure the system with our source repository: deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main Beware this APT source is exclusive and cannot coexist with Debian's repositories.<< says it all.
<DocScrutinizer05>
it particularly says you can't fix debian
<DocScrutinizer05>
only debian masters can change their policy to allow a more liberal config that offers alternatives to systemd