<DocScrutinizer05>
Luke-Jr: (dual SIM) plus you can access the "unused" SIM slot as smartcard reader from CPU
<Luke-Jr>
DocScrutinizer05: without interrupting the cellular?
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, it's mutually exclusive
<Luke-Jr>
but would switching for a few ms drop the cellular link?
<DocScrutinizer05>
unless we get some bug in our circuit which would allow concurrent acces of CPU and modem. This could only happen when a component falls off the PCB
<DocScrutinizer05>
(switch for a few ms) not possible, we had to ensure modem notices all SIM switching. Requirement by cert
<Luke-Jr>
oh, so the switch connects the unused slot to CPU
<DocScrutinizer05>
we spent some components on ensuring this
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes
<Luke-Jr>
that's interesting
<DocScrutinizer05>
don't mess with the components that do this mutual lock, it might void your Neo900's cert ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
just one component falling off the board would already sufiice
<DocScrutinizer05>
pandora has nice line-in/out on >>Video output<< (whatever this got to do with video). Anyway Neo900 has hiFi line-in/out too
<DocScrutinizer05>
plus stereo mic
<Luke-Jr>
I got the impression it was a break-out with all those on it
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<DocScrutinizer05>
for Pandora it is. We got it on headset jack
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<DocScrutinizer05>
pretty standard walkman / mini-recorder
<Luke-Jr>
Pandora doesn't have that separate?
<DocScrutinizer05>
stereo line.out, stereo line-in. headset stereo out
<DocScrutinizer05>
just like N900, plus line-in on top
<DocScrutinizer05>
you can use the standard Nokia CA-75(ß) 4pin-TRRS <-> 3* RCA cable
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/ß/?/
<DocScrutinizer05>
I dunno too exactly about pandora (despite I got one to check here, too lazy)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I know pandora has a USB(?)<->5*RCA breakout
<DocScrutinizer05>
dunno what pandora does on 3.5mm TRRS jack, except headphones
<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: you seen ceene ask about BD?
<DocScrutinizer05>
Luke-Jr: finished review, so that's my comprehensive comments
<Luke-Jr>
ok, thanks
<DocScrutinizer05>
Luke-Jr: is this CC-by-CA or similar?
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'd actually like to use it on Neo900 site as well
<Luke-Jr>
footer says Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution unless otherwise noted. (I'm not the sole author)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
ooh, and many thansk for that excellent specs sum up
<DocScrutinizer05>
thanks even
<DocScrutinizer05>
Luke-Jr: may I also suggest an additional category: documentation
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I know Pyra will publish their schematics eventually, after sales started. Neo900 is completely transparent as you noticed. Both projects don't use components for which no or NDA-only datasheets are available
<Luke-Jr>
done
<DocScrutinizer05>
for pandora I think only schematics are available, but no project files or PCB layout / component placement
<Luke-Jr>
hmm
<Luke-Jr>
I thought I saw it, but I don't know the difference necessarily
<DocScrutinizer05>
the 4th guy in there I got no clue at all, but given the CPU I expect no nice things here
<Luke-Jr>
GPD Win is basically entirely closed from what i can tell
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes
<DocScrutinizer05>
another very relevant point that however would rule out any device from even appearing there: open bootloader - not tivoized
<DocScrutinizer05>
this is a frewuently ignored very relevant aspect in any device
<DocScrutinizer05>
frequently even
<DocScrutinizer05>
not even Jolla is open in that regard. Literally you cannot reflash a bricked Jolla
<Luke-Jr>
oh? I'm under the impression Pyra won't need anything closed to work besides GPU drivers
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, Pyra is open
<Luke-Jr>
and GPD Win's, while certainly closed, isn't locked at least
<DocScrutinizer05>
good
<DocScrutinizer05>
I dunno how much pyra bothers to provide datasheets for *all* components. Particularly OMAP5 TRM comes to mind
<DocScrutinizer05>
I didn't look into that yet, *should* be available from TI
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway Pyra only publishes that stuff after sales, and instead ships their own "board support packahe" or rather complete OS, with drivers for possibly closed components
<DocScrutinizer05>
you really can tell only after purchase as I understand it
<DocScrutinizer05>
much like Openmoko did
<DocScrutinizer05>
until I published the schematics ;-)
<Luke-Jr>
heh
<Luke-Jr>
I think I am failing to stay awake for my 30 hour goal, and it's only been maybe 20. :|
<DocScrutinizer05>
ohmy, I just woke up after a 30h session and 5h of sleep
<DocScrutinizer05>
so I feel like doing some shopping food for the weekend now
<DocScrutinizer05>
or no milk for coffee and no sugar tomorrow, which spoils my day
<DocScrutinizer05>
BBL
<Luke-Jr>
XD
<Luke-Jr>
ttyl
<DocScrutinizer05>
thanks for the nice chat
<Luke-Jr>
thanks for putting up with my inability to interpret schematics :D
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's not a mandatory skill
<DocScrutinizer05>
I hope the BD is more legible for you :-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
still may be hard for non-techy persons, but simpler than schematics for sure
<Luke-Jr>
yeah, I think I get the BD to some extent
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: (mod) you wanted to have one per key row
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep, sounds better. easier to read
<DocScrutinizer05>
there might be colorblind users too
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<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: (hoverbox position) not sure if i ever added left vs. right opening. there is up/down, though. with that browser to you have problems ? with chromium, i can get at the links. but it's indeed kinda impossible to see everything.
<DocScrutinizer05>
same here with konqueror
<DocScrutinizer05>
depending on zoom size
<wpwrak>
not sure if opening to the left would make it better, though. then you get conflicts with other items. i could pad the image, though.
<DocScrutinizer05>
and physial screen size
<DocScrutinizer05>
I thought all items on right half open to left, items on left half open to right
<DocScrutinizer05>
no big issue, you can zoom out anyway
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's just getting nasty when your window has scrollbars due to being larger than screen
<DocScrutinizer05>
you can't scroll to the right beyond the normal right edge, and when hovering you cant scrioll at all to see the new right edge
<DocScrutinizer05>
please see other channel!
<wpwrak>
hmm, in my konqueror it remains quite usable. just with the issue that part of the pop-up is invisible
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, that's what I meant
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<saper>
~weather eddf
<infobot>
Frankfurt / M-Flughafen, Germany; (EDDF) 50-03N 008-36E 113M; last updated: 2016.04.16 2150 UTC; Dew Point: 46 F (8 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.65 in. Hg (1004 hPa); Relative Humidity: 93%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 48 F (9 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Weather: Light rain; Wind: from the W (280 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT)
<DocScrutinizer51>
shiiietwetter
<DocScrutinizer51>
here same
<DocScrutinizer51>
~weather eddn
<infobot>
Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2016.04.16 2150 UTC; Dew Point: 48 F (9 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.68 in. Hg (1005 hPa); Relative Humidity: 87%; Temperature: 51 F (11 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ESE (110 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) (direction variable)
<DocScrutinizer51>
doesn't have the rain yet
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<DocScrutinizer05>
>>Dual SIM: Software switched[19] (unused SIM slot can be accessed by CPU as a smartcard)<< + "<a href=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_SIM#Standby>DSDS</a> ready when modem firmware update supports it"
<DocScrutinizer05>
((NFC, SIM)) >> If the application requires a SE, then this may be provided either as part of the smartphone’s hardware, by software, or through a Subscriber Identity Module (SIM) card.<< http://neo900.org/stuff/papers/nfc-draft.pdf
<DocScrutinizer05>
actually I think Werner's NFC whitepaper is a master thesis in it's own, already worth noticing it without any particular reference to Neo900
<DocScrutinizer05>
I take pride in having contributed to the requirement specs
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm pretty sure you can't find a better, more comprehensible and yet in-depth paper on NFC, and you prolly can't find a nicer NFC implementation than you will find in Neo900 if we manage to actually pull that off
<DocScrutinizer05>
again big big kudos to wpwrak for this brilliant work