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<DocScrutinizer05> Pali: fix welcome screen to allow closing it by hw button press or ctrl-Q?
<Pali> DocScrutinizer05: it is closed :-(
<DocScrutinizer05> sheeet
<Pali> and written in C++ (instead C)
<Pali> so hard to RE
<Pali> maybe impossible
<DocScrutinizer05> ohmy
<Pali> one piece of C++ program in Maemo...
<DocScrutinizer05> wrap into a wrapper which you could kill off?
<DocScrutinizer05> oops
<Pali> I will wait... I believe somebody could know why SPI bus is broken
<Pali> in 4.2-rc1 kernel
<DocScrutinizer05> sure, but that shit welcome screen needs to die or get fixed anyway
<DocScrutinizer05> maybe simply kill it after 90s
<DocScrutinizer05> ((why SPI bus is broken)) blame DT ;-)
<Pali> this looks like some bug in spi code
<Pali> or maybe drivers...
<Pali> and I see also problems with i2c bus and drivers
<Pali> timeout errors
<Pali> twl4030 parts probe failing...
<Pali> but after few seconds at second/third attmpt, they are ok
<Pali> and drivers loaded...
<Pali> I believe it is just some funny race condition error
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<DocScrutinizer05> ouch
<DocScrutinizer05> power sequencing?
<Pali> problem with linux kernel globally is that you cannot write driver dependency... (A depends on B, B depends on C, ...)
<DocScrutinizer05> OUUUUUUCH
<Pali> and if kernel init drivers in random order, just init functions check unment dependency and return -EPROBEDEFER
<Pali> or what
<Pali> and after some time kernel try to call driver init function again
<Pali> it is same as problem with isp1704 and bq2415x drivers... isp1704 send events to bq2415x about "charger attached"
<Pali> so bq2415x in init code has check if isp driver is loaded and working
<DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
<DocScrutinizer05> hail DT
<Pali> its not DT
<DocScrutinizer05> exactly
<Pali> same problem is with board code
<DocScrutinizer05> since DT lacks any reasonable way to handle that
<Pali> problem is in kernel itself
<Pali> with device drivers API
<Pali> no way to define this situation
<DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
<DocScrutinizer05> my complaints since.... ages
<Pali> this problem is also x86 systems
<DocScrutinizer05> drivers need to be smart and platform specific
<DocScrutinizer05> with DT they are not
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<pigeons> dt = device trees?
<DocScrutinizer05> yep
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<jurov> "After Moore's Law: how phones are becoming open-source" ;)
<MonkeyofDoom> by bunnie :)
<DocScrutinizer05> Bunnie! :-D
<DocScrutinizer05> thanks a lot!
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* Oksana wonders if it is possible to attach an external mouse by the time of welcome screen, to use it instead of touchscreen? Likely not?
<DocScrutinizer05> likely not
<DocScrutinizer05> you'd need to enable hostmode
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