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<awygle> pie__: semi-related http://www.flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html
<pie__> looks interesting
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<rqou> wtf azonenberg i step away for a few days and tons of stuff happens?
<azonenberg> rqou: where?
<rqou> antikernel stuff
<rqou> why aren't you on holiday? :P
<azonenberg> me and monochroma had a Splash hackathon the other day, we're trying to get the project back up off the ground again
<azonenberg> I am on holiday
<azonenberg> I'm doing the work i want to do, not the work IOA pays me to do
<rqou> ah ok
<rqou> not openfpga work? :P
<rqou> not playing USUM? :P
<azonenberg> Well the goal was to get monochroma working on antikernel stuff while i was traveling for december
<azonenberg> I'm trying to increase the bus factor of the project :p
<azonenberg> or, at least, improve the rate progress is being made
<rqou> ah, so playing USUM with your $WIFE actually does the opposite :P
<rqou> hey azonenberg your uart abstraction sucks :P
<rqou> you should steal some arbitrary baud code from somewhere
<rqou> last time i did this i stole the code from PySerial
<azonenberg> uart abstraction?
<azonenberg> for what
<azonenberg> also, she has like 35 hours on UM already lol
<azonenberg> I only have about 12 on US
<rqou> in xptools
<rqou> I have like 5 minutes :P
<azonenberg> I'm about to go to bed, and generally it's meant to be used in master mode with a pre-arranged baud rate
<azonenberg> most hardware i work with only works at one speed
<azonenberg> I have never used autobaud once
<azonenberg> feel free to send a patch to enable it though :p
<rqou> I'm not talking about autobaud
<rqou> i meant nonstandard rates like 1m or 2m
<rqou> also, interestingly, pyserial rewrote their code completely since i last looked at it
<azonenberg> rqou: I dont actually know how to use weird baud rates in POSIX
<rqou> lolol
<azonenberg> If you figure out how, let me know
<azonenberg> and/or send a patch
<rqou> i wasted a ton of time doing that
<azonenberg> there has to be an ioctl for it
<azonenberg> ... somewhere
<rqou> yeah
<rqou> hence "port pyserial's code" :P
<rqou> tty's are garbage
<rqou> oh wtf the rust serial port crate doesn't do arbitrary baud rates correctly either
<whitequark> lol
<rqou> i'll fix it someday (or hopefully somebody will have fixed it by then :P )
<rqou> oh btw whitequark when are you leaving?
<whitequark> dunno
<whitequark> sometime before my visa expires
<rqou> ah, so we can maybe possibly still arrange a "meet for >5min" thing once we both have less "life" going on
<rqou> OH WTF
<rqou> TIL about "termios2"
<rqou> "termios was broken as shit, so we added a _2 version; that'll be better, right?"
<rqou> this is the worst part of unix
<whitequark> rqou: sure
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* pie_ mumbles something at awygle about building introspectable spacecraft systems
<pie_> lol i guss i should read what i linked yesterday
<pie_> *what you linked
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