<awygle>
there is a high chance i'm going to rip off your mail config
<whitequark>
lol go ahead
<whitequark>
you might even convince me to separate it as a role
<whitequark>
since i was gonna do that anyway
<awygle>
email seems really intimidating but super valueable to self-host
<cr1901_modern>
It's tedious. Not difficult.
<awygle>
or selfadminister? is it self-hosting if it's on digital ocean? lol
<awygle>
even when i was sysadminning professionally we always had hosted email
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<whitequark>
self-administer sounds like something you would do with a research chemical
<awygle>
true
<awygle>
hmm i wonder if i can install jenkins plugins with ansible..
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<rqou>
winter is coming
<rqou>
i can tell because the breaker tripping shenanigans are starting again
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<gruetzkopf>
streetwide breakers or what
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<rqou>
gruetzkopf: have you not been paying attention last year when this happened? :P
<rqou>
my shitty apartment has shitty electrical wiring and only a 30A breaker for the whole unit
<sn00n>
what happened?
<qu1j0t3>
> breaker tripping shenanigans
<rqou>
~every day the breaker will get tripped
<rqou>
e.g. whenever somebody tries to use the microwave or the toaster
<rqou>
but don't worry, you can get about 2 minutes of microwaving between trips!
<sn00n>
what a trip
<sn00n>
that's enough for an egg?
<rqou>
there's been jokes of making a "smart grid app" that temporarily disconnects the computer UPSs so that you can toast something :P
<rqou>
also jokes of making a breaker reset robot
<sn00n>
what if you break the breaker
<sn00n>
blocking the mechanism with sophisticated tools like toothpicks?
<rqou>
well, there's no locks on the panel covers, so... 😉
<sn00n>
:>
<rqou>
actually, that doesn't work
<sn00n>
replace 30A with 60A
<rqou>
apparently breakers are now designed so that jamming the handle doesn't prevent them from tripping
<sn00n>
hmmm
<sn00n>
really no way to jam them?
<gruetzkopf>
not really
<sn00n>
wow
<gruetzkopf>
but replacing them is easy (if sketchy)
<pie_>
rqou, dont forget to replace after a couple years lol, (how many switchings are breakers usually rated for again_)
<pie_>
?
<rqou>
not my problem lol
<sn00n>
replacing it by a copper bar
<gruetzkopf>
my room is on 3 32A breakers ;)
<rqou>
I'm only going to be here for 7 more months or so
<sn00n>
sounds like germany
<mtp>
i've seen breakers fuse shut :)
<gruetzkopf>
(thanks european 3-phase)
<sn00n>
breakers & FI everywhere
<pie_>
mtp, good god
<rqou>
sn00n: replacing with copper bars was what happened when my father was a university student :P
<sn00n>
rqou: good old times?
<rqou>
as well as using 120V light bulbs during the daily brownouts from 240V to 130V
<sn00n>
hehe
<pie_>
a lightbulb a day
<rqou>
nah, you change it back when you notice them getting brighter
<qu1j0t3>
LOL
<pie_>
as long as brown-in is slow
<rqou>
one of the professors would occasionally borrow a variac from the EE lab to power a TV for watching sportsball
<gruetzkopf>
using some LED light with 110-240V rated PSU would be easier
<gruetzkopf>
these days
<rqou>
those didn't exist back then :P
<rqou>
this was China in the 1980s
<rqou>
gruetzkopf: one thing that did happen was that all the students would turn on all the flourescent lights in all of the rooms before the brownouts started
<rqou>
because you need a high voltage to light them but not to keep them on
<rqou>
oh yeah, those brownouts were on a regular schedule :P
<pie_>
ah well
<pie_>
thats easier then :P
<rqou>
here it's just comically undersized breakers
<rqou>
something something shady landlords definitely not associated with Lakireddy
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<rqou>
offtopic: does anybody here understand ETH? does ETH have formal verification tools?
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<jn__>
ETH Zurich?
<rqou>
Etherium
<jn__>
ah
<rqou>
the cryptocurrency thing that apparently had a huge problem this morning?
<jn__>
i heard about that story
<azonenberg>
afaik it was one wallet that had the bug
<azonenberg>
not ETH in general?
<azonenberg>
but everyone using that wallet to do multi-signature transactions now cant withdraw their funds
<rqou>
idk
<rqou>
also azonenberg plz 2 look at my c0dez :P
<azonenberg>
Like i said, i'm busy... i'll get to it when i have time
<qu1j0t3>
rqou: pretty sure they haven't even _heard_ of formal verification...
<balrog>
azonenberg: I thought the library that everyone was using to generate multi-signature wallets had that bug
<balrog>
it's more of a contract platform built on blockchain
<rqou>
<troll>it's more of a Ponzi scheme built on blockchain</troll>
<azonenberg>
rqou: no that's BTC
<azonenberg>
:P
<qu1j0t3>
yeah, was about to say--
<rqou>
aren't they the same?
<awygle>
BTC is a ponzi scheme, I'm not sure what ETH is, and ICOs are straight up fraud
<awygle>
BTC also has some good qualities, maybe ETH does too
<qu1j0t3>
such as?
<qu1j0t3>
i've really come up with nothing so far.
<qu1j0t3>
well, actually, a lot of negatives. so what's a positive?
<azonenberg>
The energy consumed to process one BTC transaction is ridiculously large
<qu1j0t3>
that's one of the biggest negatives, yeah. unsustainable.
<qu1j0t3>
that some people think it's okay to ignore that, or don't know, are both scary facts
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<rqou>
but then there's this tweet that whitequark RT'd:
<rqou>
"nobody's burning electricity for fun, people do it to route around the damage that is ACH, international wire transfer, FinCEN, and KYC/AML"
<awygle>
Yeah that's basically what I was talking about
<awygle>
There are lots of better ways to solve those problems but bitcoin exists now
<awygle>
It's also presumably insulated from some types of "the government of my country has gone insane" scenarios.
<qu1j0t3>
rqou: rubbish
<qu1j0t3>
rqou: even if that were true, it's a non-solution
<whitequark>
bullshit
<whitequark>
of course it is a solution to gatekeeping. what else do you do if visa and paypal refuse to work with you?
<qu1j0t3>
read above. it's a terrible, unsustainable design. why not come up with something that works?
<qu1j0t3>
also -- that isn't the only problem with it
<whitequark>
because i'm not interested in coming up with virtual currencies, i'm interested in providing services
<qu1j0t3>
ok, but those problems will bite users in the end.
<qu1j0t3>
but even aside from technical -- how do you stop it being taken over, as it clearly is now, by speculators and capital, reproducing every inequity in conventional currencies?
<whitequark>
that's not my problem? my customer converts cash to BTC, I convert BTC back to cash
<whitequark>
if BTC stops working, good riddance
<qu1j0t3>
fair enough.
<qu1j0t3>
if those ETH people had got their cash out quicker, they'd have been good too :)
<qu1j0t3>
whitequark: your relation to BTC is like my relation to dirty cash :)
<awygle>
qu1j0t3: dirty cash as in "cash is icky" or as in "I work for the mob and inexplicably decided to out myself on irc"?
<qu1j0t3>
the former, officer.
<whitequark>
qu1j0t3: which country are you living in?
<qu1j0t3>
does it matter?
<whitequark>
I'm wondering.
<qu1j0t3>
one where yes, i use banks.
<qu1j0t3>
so somewhat privileged, i suppose.
<whitequark>
abandoning cash means a high degree of trust in institutions
<whitequark>
no, not *using banks*. *not using cash* rather is what weirds me out
<qu1j0t3>
i meant more just using it as a trading medium.
<qu1j0t3>
rather than speculation
<whitequark>
ah, sure. I consider speculation of all sorts a waste of time
<qu1j0t3>
i rarely handle cash. i think maybe my comment wasn't clear.
<qu1j0t3>
but i understand how you use BTC now.
<awygle>
I don't currently use cash ~at all. I am very aware that that surrenders a lot of control, but I'm willing currently to do so for convenience
<qu1j0t3>
awygle: right.
<awygle>
Hopefully if circumstances change such that I'm not willing to do that anymore, they do so slowly enough that I can correct
<qu1j0t3>
the recent experiences of India in "demonetisation" are probably worth studying since it will probably be attempted elsewhere soon enough
<awygle>
But maybe not. You pays your money and you takes your chances.