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<cyrozap> azonenberg: Yup, it looks like your RE work on it is still very relevant.
<azonenberg> cyrozap: which is good b/c i'm submitting another talk on it to a con
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<pie_> > bashing submit
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<digshadow> azonenberg: in xilinx, .ncd "is neocad database right"
<digshadow> using lattice tools
<digshadow> PAR: Place And Route Diamond (64-bit) 3.7.0.96.1.Copyright (c) 1991-1994 by NeoCAD Inc. All rights reserved.Copyright (c) 1995 AT&T Corp.   All rights reserved.Copyright (c) 1995-2001 Lucent Technologies Inc.  All rights reserved.Copyright (c) 2001 Agere Systems   All rights reserved.Copyright (c) 2002-2016 Lattice Semiconductor Corporation,  All rights reserved.
<digshadow>
<digshadow> which also has a NeoCAD copyright
<digshadow> do you know the relationship between the lattice and the xilinx tools?
<digshadow> definitely was bought by xilinx
<digshadow> maybe they had a license with lattice back then too
<digshadow> dated 1995
<digshadow> ah yeah that make sense
<digshadow> since the copyright above is to 1994
<digshadow> after which they cut off support to lattice
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<digshadow> oh ha! there are .ncd and .ngd files in the lattice project
<digshadow> wonder how closely they match the ISE format
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<azonenberg> digshadow: no
<azonenberg> native circuit description
<azonenberg> ngd = native generic description
<azonenberg> its entirely possible one is a backronym and it also stands for neocad database?
<azonenberg> also, recon confirmed
<azonenberg> finally
<azonenberg> tl;dr work had tickets but didnt know for who :p
<azonenberg> eventually they decided i was going
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<balrog> azonenberg: awesome!!!
<balrog> now I need to buy train tickets
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<digshadow> azonenberg: that is a backronym
<digshadow> to the best of my knowledge
<digshadow> also the tools names are the same
<digshadow> trace, par, etc
<digshadow> looks very clearly like a fork to me
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<azonenberg> innnteresting
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<azonenberg> Put that on the wiki?
<azonenberg> i guess once xilinx bought them lattice forked and went with synopsys?
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<digshadow> azonenberg: yeah its interesting
<digshadow> I'll try to poke at it in a little more detail
<digshadow> and do a writeup when I get a chance
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