<Entropy512> yeah
<Entropy512> n7000 and i777 co-maintainer
<methril> and what do you think about sammy code?
<methril> well going off
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<Kaik541> Entropy512: ping
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<noobnl> nebkat:
<noobnl> got a questiin
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<noobnl> do you want it in the system subclass in settting class?
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<Entropy512> <Kaik541> Entropy512: ping - p0ng
<Entropy512> <methril> and what do you think about sammy code? - is epicfail
<Entropy512> turning on MMC_CAP_ERASE for kernels that will run on devices with eMMC chips that will fail to handle the ERASE command in an unrecoverable manner = EPIC FAIL
<Kaik541> Entropy512: I need a CWM for galaxy note for wiki instructions
<Kaik541> the teamhacksung wiki doesn't have anything =/
<Entropy512> CWM for galaxy note???
<Entropy512> is in teh kernel
<Entropy512> just like any other Samsung
<Entropy512> and due to the superbrick clusterfuck
<Kaik541> Entropy512: yeah but I need one for instructions
<Entropy512> first post of XDA includes a CWM-enabled kernel
<Entropy512> (ofc you can just pull the boot.img from any nightly to get a "safe" CWM-enabled kernel - won't be useful for anything other than flashing CM9 though, but that's all you really need...)
<Kaik541> Entropy512: guess I'm having trouble finding which thread you mean
<Kaik541> Entropy512: nah we need one that can boot on "stock" of some sort so a user can copy the files over their storage
<Kaik541> oh it's in general
<Kaik541> heh
<Kaik541> Entropy512: is that for coming from stock ICS or gingerbread?
<Entropy512> that kernel, if you Odin it, is safe coming from anywhere
<Entropy512> if you're coming from any ICS you had better use it
<Entropy512> if coming from CWM-enabled Gingerbread of any sort you should be OK to flash CM9 in CWM
<Kaik541> Entropy512: wait what
<Entropy512> well any ICS other than hardcore or franco's ICS kernels
<Entropy512> since they've been "safed" regarding Superbrick
<Kaik541> Entropy512: let me ask better, is that kernel a repack of an ICS or GB kernel?
<Entropy512> that kernel is not a repack of any sort - it's an extracted boot.img from a nightly
<Kaik541> Entropy512: blah I need a kernel that can boot a stock ROM with CWM in it
<Kaik541> this is useless to users because they'd have to put the stuff on their zip before they did anything
<Kaik541> and most users have no idea how to handle that
<Kaik541> because users are stupid
<Entropy512> put the stuff on their zip???
<Kaik541> put the zip on their storage*
<Entropy512> put two zips on their sdcard
<Kaik541> sorry, tired, been doing a lot of wiki stuff today
<Entropy512> then odin that kernel
<Entropy512> enter CWM
<Entropy512> flash the zips
<Kaik541> Entropy512: yes but my point is you would have to put the zip's on the storage BEFORE flashing the kernel
<Kaik541> which is completely useless to auser
<Entropy512> hmm - speeedmod, DAFUQ, or franco - all are valid CWM-enabled ICS kernels
<Entropy512> all of which have MMC_CAP_ERASE disabled
<Kaik541> yeah I'm looking at speedmod
<Kaik541> I know and trust hardcore
<Entropy512> but if you've got a working device
<Entropy512> put your damn zips on it before flashing your CWM-enabled kernel
<Entropy512> users on note need to do their fucking research before flashing
<Entropy512> since there's a pile of dangerous kernels out there
<Kaik541> Entropy512: but the wiki guides aren't set up like that, and users are fucking stupid
<Entropy512> well stupid users who can't read the damn instructions will fux0r their eMMC in an unrecoverable manner
<Entropy512> stock ICS is dangerous as fuck
<Entropy512> can't get any simpler than - put two zips on your SDCard
<Entropy512> odin this kernel
<Entropy512> enter CWM and flash the zips
<Kaik541> Entropy512: but again, look at the CM wiki, we do "CWM first, then zips" which is why I didn't just grab a random boot.img from a nightly
<Entropy512> sorry - but try to get any simpler than that and you risk triggering Superbrick
<Kaik541> if users do something to get recovery, they expect the device to "work" after that even without flashing CWM
<Kaik541> because, again, users are stupid
<Entropy512> well - stupid users who can't read instructions carefully will torch their eMMC on Exynos devices
<Kaik541> Entropy512: which is why the instructions are supposed to be idiot proof
<Entropy512> dangerous kernels are all over the place
<Entropy512> can't get any simpler than
<Kaik541> the idea is you flash stock ICS, then you flash this kernel, then you go to CM... done and done
<Entropy512> put these zips on your SD
<Entropy512> Odin this kernel
<Kaik541> Entropy512: listen to me, I understand what you're saying, but you're not listening to me
<Entropy512> three-finger to CWM
<Kaik541> that isn't how the wiki is set up
<Entropy512> flash the zips
<Kaik541> the wiki has a universally consistent layout: "backup if possible, root (if necessary), CWM, zip's, flash"
<Kaik541> we aren't going to change that because one device is being a baby
<Entropy512> well, sorry - you can't do that when Samsung has released piles of dangerous kernels via OTA
<Entropy512> pretty much any stock ICS = dangerous
<Kaik541> Entropy512: why can't we? we aren't telling the users to do anything with stock ICS
<Kaik541> all they have to do is have it on the device
<Entropy512> well you can't get any simpler than
<Entropy512> put zips on device
<Kaik541> Entropy512: shut up
<Entropy512> Odin a safe kernel
<Kaik541> I understand the words you are saying, seriously
<Entropy512> to get CWM
<Kaik541> but repeating it isn't going to change my mind
<Entropy512> you can't get CWM without Odining a safe kernel
<Kaik541> yes I understand that
<Entropy512> since Mobile Odin occasionally fails to flash
<Entropy512> don't trust it
<Entropy512> because that could lead to a user being on an unsafe kernel
<Kaik541> and again, what does it matter if they're on a stock samsung kernel for like 5 minutes?
<Kaik541> they're going to be replacing it with a safe kernel that will still boot their device
<Entropy512> that's exactly what I'm saying
<Entropy512> put these zips on your SD
<Entropy512> Odin this
<Kaik541> NO
<Kaik541> fucking listen to me
<Kaik541> please jesus christ
<Kaik541> saying it fifty million times is not explaining WHY it needs to be that way
<Entropy512> seriously, is it THAT hard to say "put these zips on your SD card BEFORE YOU START?"
<Kaik541> yes because that's not how the fucking wiki is laid out
<Kaik541> if someone takes their galaxy note which is sitting with stock gingerbread, they connect it to KIES and upgrade to samsung's ICS, and then immediately afterward flash a safe ICS kernel
<Kaik541> where is the harm?
<Entropy512> well not my problem if the wiki was laid out before we found out that Samsung epicfailed and released a pile of defective kernels
<Entropy512> and defective eMMC chips
<Entropy512> that's what I just said
<Kaik541> that's a hardware fault and people should take that hardware back to samsung then
<Entropy512> put the zips on your SD card
<Kaik541> no, you're giving me an alternate set of instructions, you haven't once told me WHEN THE DAMAGE HAPPENS
<Entropy512> flash a CWM-enabled safe ICS kernels
<Kaik541> look at what the words say
<Kaik541> tell me where the damage would happen
<Kaik541> and CM can't account for hardware defects that samsung ships out, just like the Captivate never accounted for the few ones that couldn't run i9000 modems
<Entropy512> anywhere the stupid user doesn't EXACTLY follow your instructions
<Kaik541> Entropy512: if the stupid user doesn't follow our exact instructions, then that's a failing on their part
<Kaik541> which is why the guide is written the way it is
<Entropy512> and you have "method via ROM Manager"
<Entropy512> pretty much guaranteed to fail
<Entropy512> I've never seen ROM Manager work properly
<Kaik541> Entropy512: note the disclaimer right above that
<Kaik541> NOTE: In order to flash CyanogenMod via ROM Manager, root access is required. Attaining root access is outside the scope of this wiki page
<Entropy512> on any device I've ever owned
<Entropy512> even with root
<Entropy512> ROM Manager = fail
<Kaik541> and again, since we don't provide/encourage root access, if they attempt it they aren't following our instructions
<Kaik541> which isn't our fault
<Entropy512> then why the fuck is the phrase "ROM Manger" anywhere on your page?
<Entropy512> ROM Manager...
<Entropy512> ROM Manager needs root
<Kaik541> Entropy512: because that's the template
<Kaik541> and there's also a reason why the "via Recovery" method is listed first
<Entropy512> well if ROM Manager appears anywhere on the "template" the template is shit and needs to be thrown away
<Entropy512> fuck the template
<Entropy512> if the template has all this janky irrelevant/just plain broken shit
<Kaik541> Entropy512: go talk to gu1dry in #cm-priv then
<Entropy512> the template sucks
<Kaik541> I've been trying to convince him to get rid of that part of the template for a long time now
<Kaik541> but he won't
<Kaik541> and he's the "wiki lead"
<Kaik541> trust me, I'm with you on this, but he won't listen to me about this
<Kaik541> there are several other devices where the ROM Manager instructions are beyond useless (and even a couple cases where they are potentially dangerous to the device) and yet we keep them and it's not because I want to
<Entropy512> i'm curious
<Kaik541> so yeah if you can convince gu1dry to get rid of them on (most) samsung devices, I'd be all for it
<Entropy512> is there ANY device where ROM Manager isn't epicfail?
<Entropy512> it's epic fail on any Galaxy S II device
<Kaik541> Entropy512: works fine on SGS1 and SGS2 and galaxy nexus and almost anything htc
<Entropy512> Galaxy Note
<Kaik541> always worked fine for me on i777
<Entropy512> always worked fine on I777?
<Entropy512> fuck no
<Entropy512> it's ALWAYS been epic fail on I777
<Entropy512> it's never fucking worked properly
<Kaik541> you just have to hit menu->manual flash override->ok->samsung galaxy s 2 (AT&)
<Entropy512> never worked on note
<Kaik541> and I think then clockworkmod 3.x+
<Kaik541> it worked when I had the device and CM7 without issue
<Kaik541> maybe something's broken since then
<Entropy512> and then - boom "y my device give signature failure shit"
<Kaik541> that's how I always did nightly updates whenever I built
<Kaik541> never had an issue
<Entropy512> ROM Manager = can't actually flash anything with its broke-ass piece of shit recovery
<Entropy512> unless you are ALREADY on CM7/9
<Kaik541> Entropy512: yep I agree with that statement
<Kaik541> Entropy512: ROM Manager is on the way out for CM9
<Kaik541> replacing it with an internal ROM updater
<Kaik541> and that's pretty much the reason why, it can't be trusted to actually work on every device
<Entropy512> so everyone agrees that ROM Manager is a steaming pile of shit
<Kaik541> I'm not disagreeing and saying "z0mg ROM MANAGER IS AMAZING" I'm saying it works if you set it up, but it's a fucking bitch
<Entropy512> so why is some dumbass insisting that the template retains references to it?
<Entropy512> BECAUSE TEMPLATE?
<Kaik541> because it "works once you're already on CM"
<Kaik541> like I said, please try and convince him, if I can get enough dev's to actually say something aboutit maybe he'll change his mind
<Entropy512> thats fucking retarded logic if your template is how to install CM
<Kaik541> right now, bumble-bee, rayman, and xplodwild are in agreement with us
<Kaik541> oh I know, I'm even going to be renaming all the "Update guides" to "Installation guides" because update is misleading there
<Kaik541> since this guide is supposed to only pertain to initial installation
<Kaik541> in my opinion, the only reason ROM Manager instructions are still around is because koush is a part of CM
<Entropy512> "koush is a part of CM" - I haven't seen him do a gerrit review in over a month
<Kaik541> Entropy512: do you have access to #cm-priv?
<Entropy512> if you're "part of CM" you'd better be reviewing shit on gerrit
<Kaik541> if not, you should
<Entropy512> never heard of it before
<Kaik541> it's the "work" channel for all of CM
<Entropy512> holy fuck
<Entropy512> 12:37
<Entropy512> i'm exhausted
<Kaik541> Entropy512: I asked jeagoss to invite you in
<Kaik541> I'll see if he says anything
<Entropy512> i'll be around tomorrow
<Entropy512> going afk until then
<Kaik541> then you can yell at gu1dry all you want
<Kaik541> Entropy512: apparently you have access
<Kaik541> Entropy512: do a /msg ChanServ invite #cyanogenmod-priv and you should be able to join
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<stickyboy> Getting audio runs on maguro nightlies... hmmm.
<stickyboy> Totally messing with my groove, dawg.
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<yath> sigh
<yath> shell@android:/ # awk 'BEGIN{if(23==42) print "foo"}'
<yath> foo
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<codeworkx> nebkat: add i9100g plx to bbqlog
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