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<Jiangyi>
Holy smokes.
<Jiangyi>
My new student math teacher is a Canadian Olympian. O_O
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<Jiangyi>
Kaik541: :-(
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<Guest69559>
hey guys, i'm relatively new to the cm10 nightlies on the 9300 - but have been around for the n7 and 9100. i've been through dozens of pages in the thread about this issue but the only responses are things like "this has been discussed a million times before". Why is android system chewing up so much battery?
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<Jiangyi>
Exynos wizardry? :p
<Jiangyi>
(Don't take me seriously, idk)
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<eldabest>
hi guys I need some help please. I had problems upgrading to latest nightly CM10 on my i9100, so I restored to a backup I had from like last week. anyway once I got everything fixed I installed the new nightly + gapps, but now the pictures that i had before don't show up
<eldabest>
like it will not show all the pictures I have, only some of them from when I did the backup
<eldabest>
all of the pictures are on the phone, though, they just don't all show up in the gallery
<Jiangyi>
eldabest: Mediascanner in JB's kinda wonky. Give it time.
<eldabest>
I see
<eldabest>
so is there any workaround in the meantime?
<bbqbot>
derp
<Jiangyi>
And by give it time, I mean leave your phone there for a bit, it'll show up eventually. :-P
<eldabest>
cause that really sucks lol
<eldabest>
ohh
<eldabest>
kk
<eldabest>
thanks
<Jiangyi>
Now if it doesn't show up, then that complicates things. :-|
<eldabest>
yeah
<eldabest>
well how much time do you think it needs
<eldabest>
just leave it in the gallery app you mean
<eldabest>
?
<Jiangyi>
Depends on how much media you have really.
<Jiangyi>
No, you don't have to leave it in the gallery app.
<eldabest>
ohh
<eldabest>
kk
<eldabest>
thanks
<eldabest>
bleh
<eldabest>
all this because i upgraded to latest nightly and didn't know there was a new gapps
<eldabest>
everything crashing constantly
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<eldabest>
great they showed up
<eldabest>
thanks jiangyi
<Jiangyi>
np. :-)
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<Espenfjo>
Anyone running the JB leak on their n7000 atm?
<koud>
oh tehre is a jb leak now? :)
<Espenfjo>
yeah
<Espenfjo>
So far it has only caused more pain than it has solved :)
<koud>
picking blobs?
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<koud>
why am I not surprised :P
<Espenfjo>
Audio blobs cant be used without kernel update, graphic blobs cant be used as they are making everything worse
<Espenfjo>
hwcomposer depends on new mali, new mali has mamory leak
<Espenfjo>
Overall it feels worse performance wise as well
<koud>
arm socs are more and more depressing
<Espenfjo>
qcom aint that bad
<koud>
like how broadcom made announcement about releasing userspace stuff for their graphics on raspberry pi
<koud>
that turned out to be a big turd
<cdesai>
ti was soooo good
<koud>
since they apperently have gles implemented in firmware blob lol
<koud>
there is still no open graphics stack for arm socs
<koud>
just a few reverseengineered
<koud>
sad to say, but I kinda hope Intel to step up their game soon
<cdesai>
openfimg is pretty good
<cdesai>
though yea, it's reverse-engineered
<Espenfjo>
eww, fimX
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<piluex>
Hi, is it possible to install the i9300 samsung stock camera to cm10?
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<Espenfjo>
No
<piluex>
Ok, thanks.
<MacDrunk>
piluex dl camera jb + is better
<MacDrunk>
i just did
<MacDrunk>
espenfjo any ideas why sd card wont mount on start
<Entropy512>
_bt: when we get around to creating a new tree... current maintainers are exhausted, more manpower would be useful
<Entropy512>
i9100p will need a new device tree to allow NFC on it
<Entropy512>
otherwise adding NFC will cause problems on i9100/i9100m/anything not P
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<Mikej0h>
hi guys/gals, what is the best current version for the Galaxy SII with Cyanogenmod 10.0?
<Mikej0h>
currently running the last EXPERIMENTAL-stabilitytest
<Mikej0h>
not sure if it's worth upgrading to the latest nightly?
<Entropy512>
Mikej0h: buy nexus or xperia T, install latest nightly
<Entropy512>
CM10 on Exynos is always going to be substandard
<Entropy512>
_bt: main thing blocking getting NFC up on the P is lack of a maintainer who owns a P. I'll talk to Steve Harper to see if he's willing to take on that task.
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<EgotisticalElf>
i spy a little L710 JB source drop
<_bt>
<Entropy512> i9100p will need a new device tree to allow NFC on it < yeah, although this will serve another purpose that stops confusion for P users
<codeworkx>
danyasd: the biggest problem is that samsung is messing up any standard aosp interface and not providing and infos or sources for their own platform. result in laggy and buggy aosp roms with for us unfixable bugs.
<GabMus>
yes, apple pcs are cool and everything but: 1. theyre too expensive and 2. os x is becoming a "better featured ios"
<frankdrey-pc>
build your own PC
<Thracky>
only 7 mill
<Thracky>
that's not a lot of money tbh.
<frankdrey-pc>
:D
<GabMus>
im going to actually
<Thracky>
GabMus: except you can still open up a terminal and use unix commands all day :P
<Thracky>
that's the *one* think I really like about OSX
<Thracky>
*thing
<GabMus>
you can do it on ios as well jailbreaking your device
<Thracky>
frankdrey-pc: also, it's a property intended for development of a resort.
<GabMus>
it is still gnu
<Thracky>
GabMus: yes but no jailbreaking required on osx
<GabMus>
yet
<GabMus>
you never knw
<GabMus>
know*
<Thracky>
frankdrey-pc: so you're gonna spend 7mill on the property and another 100 mill on developing the resort :P
<frankdrey-pc>
nahh
<frankdrey-pc>
i'll buy it
<frankdrey-pc>
and live there :D
<Thracky>
waste of money
<frankdrey-pc>
lol true
<Thracky>
you don't get wealthy by buying 7 million dollar plots of land and sitting on them
<Thracky>
especially when it has the development shit already taken care of.
<frankdrey-pc>
<GabMus> you never knw
<frankdrey-pc>
<GabMus> know* <- yep, soon Apple is gonna lock down even that :P
<frankdrey-pc>
yeah
<Thracky>
Nah, apple and MS will never completely lock down their computer OS'es
<Thracky>
they'd get destroyed for it.
<GabMus>
actually im using a 2009 macbook. previously i used snow leopard and it was pretty good. then i switched to lion and the pc started getting slower (not that much actually). some months ago mountain lion was released. i read about 30% performance loss.
<GabMus>
im still using lion
<Thracky>
everyone's just pushing this whole slippery slope that because they have app stores now that the whole OS will go that way.
<Thracky>
and they have absolutely zero evidence to support it.
<GabMus>
fuck it there is linux
<Thracky>
linux is not a good substitute for average win/osx users.
<GabMus>
i already have a partition with linux
<Thracky>
that's fine, but you're also on IRC.
<GabMus>
i use os x only because i need some adobe software
<Thracky>
you're already an "advanced" user
<GabMus>
i know how stuff works
<Thracky>
average users cannot handle linux.
<logcat>
i iz an "advanced user" ? :D
<GabMus>
i also have some programming knowledge (not that much actually, but hey) and i can completely use a gnu system from command line
<Thracky>
maybe they could handle ubuntu for some basic shit but when something doesn't work (and this will eventually happen 100%) they're screwed.
<GabMus>
ubuntu is cool
<Thracky>
GabMus: that's nice, but is your grandmother going to do that too? :P
<GabMus>
but too "heavy"
<GabMus>
i think so
<GabMus>
ubuntu is reeeeally simple
<Thracky>
until something doesn't work.
<GabMus>
i made some of my friends switch to linux mint
<frankdrey-pc>
Ubuntu is shit
<frankdrey-pc>
Linux should never be used for a desktop OS
<Thracky>
ubuntu isn't shit. it's the most user friendly distro there is.
<GabMus>
for an advanced user it actually is
<GabMus>
but it is good to make people learn
<frankdrey-pc>
it works only half the time, and is pretty inefficient
<frankdrey-pc>
Linux wasn't developed with desktop in mind
<frankdrey-pc>
or should i say gnu
<Thracky>
desktop linux works great
<frankdrey-pc>
not in my experience
<Thracky>
the only reason I don't use it regularly is because of gaming.
<frankdrey-pc>
and i'm a fairly advanced user ;)
<Thracky>
otherwise I'd be on it 100%
<frankdrey-pc>
Linux has it's uses, sure, but switching to it just to browse internet, copy files, do schoolwork...no
<frankdrey-pc>
windows does all that perfectly
<Thracky>
Linux tends to do it faster :P
<logcat>
fairly advanced user is a large theme
<Thracky>
(except w8 is pretty damn quick on ssd)
<logcat>
i believe linux is getting better and better in the desktop side
<Thracky>
yep
<GabMus>
i quote logcat
<logcat>
it's not because it's not designed to be a desktop that it's not good
<GabMus>
actually my best friend recently switched to linux mint after many tries to convince him. now he uses command line to install stuff (he understood that it is simple and faster) and uses windows just to play
<Thracky>
logcat: yeah it's because of all the fragmentation of different people who want to implement it differently :P
<GabMus>
exactly
<danyasd>
I hate that metro UI at windows 8.. and unity from ubuntu!
<frankdrey-pc>
Linux tends to do it slower
<Thracky>
same thing with android stock OSes
<frankdrey-pc>
A lot slower
<GabMus>
i like metro ui :D
<Thracky>
frankdrey-pc: learn to set your shit up properly then :P
<GabMus>
but hate unity -_-
<frankdrey-pc>
i set it up perfectly :p
<danyasd>
me too
<Thracky>
lies
<logcat>
hence why you choose an alternative desktop
<frankdrey-pc>
windows is just optimized for shit PCs like mine :D
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<Thracky>
linux should run BETTER than xp on a p4 :P
<logcat>
windows is not optimized
<logcat>
.
<Thracky>
if it doesn't, you're doing it wrong.
<Thracky>
period.
<logcat>
+1
<frankdrey-pc>
:/
<GabMus>
+1
<frankdrey-pc>
name a browser that works fast on linux
<GabMus>
chrome
<logcat>
chrome
<GabMus>
firefox
<Thracky>
chromium
<GabMus>
chromium
<logcat>
xD
<GabMus>
reconq
<frankdrey-pc>
Chrome was hella buggy
<frankdrey-pc>
firefox is hella slow
<GabMus>
opera (?)
<logcat>
"was"
<frankdrey-pc>
opera...ehh
<Thracky>
lynx
<logcat>
Y U NO EVOLVE
<frankdrey-pc>
is chromium better
<logcat>
hmm
<GabMus>
LYNX sure
<frankdrey-pc>
?
<frankdrey-pc>
now
<frankdrey-pc>
?
<Thracky>
lol
<frankdrey-pc>
links :D
<logcat>
aint lynx command line ?
<Thracky>
fuck yeah
<logcat>
:D
<logcat>
hmm, with VLC
<GabMus>
yes, command line 4 the win
<frankdrey-pc>
i used it on gentoo :D
<logcat>
you can stream video in command line :D
<danyasd>
chromium is very fast at ubuntu
<frankdrey-pc>
hmm
<GabMus>
you can do EVERYTHING in command line
<Thracky>
chromium is pretty fast overall.
<frankdrey-pc>
Thracky, i have a new PC now :D
<frankdrey-pc>
not P4
<Thracky>
orly?
<bbqbot>
derp
<Thracky>
p3?
<frankdrey-pc>
AMD Athlon 1.7 ghz
<GabMus>
actually chromium is just chrome without closed source stuff
<Thracky>
heh athlon 64 or just an athlon?
<frankdrey-pc>
and this is overclocked im fairly sure :P
<Espenfjo>
American dream ceased to exist sometime in the 19th century
<logcat>
18th
<logcat>
before it was born
<Thracky>
money runs the country and those who control most of it will ensure that nobody else gets control back.
<logcat>
it's dead in water
<GabMus>
"Meet Italian Expatriates in Norway!" first two people are french
<GabMus>
lol
<logcat>
xD
<Espenfjo>
:D
<GabMus>
thats not encouraging
<GabMus>
meh, i dont think i could make it...
<GabMus>
i like easy ways
<GabMus>
im too lazy
<GabMus>
too many things to worry about
<frankdrey-pc>
i should move to Norway
<frankdrey-pc>
Espenfjo, do they have good schools for programming...
<frankdrey-pc>
or...
<GabMus>
and WTF man i live in sicily, i would die with norwegian winter!
<frankdrey-pc>
can i get a programmer job w/o school?:P
* frankdrey-pc
lives in the area of eternal rain
<Thracky>
yes
<GabMus>
our winter is like minimum of 10°C
<frankdrey-pc>
j/k it's actually sunny :D
<GabMus>
or maybe 7
<frankdrey-pc>
but it was raining like heck yesterday
<logcat>
GabMus: what about fuck you ?
<frankdrey-pc>
Thracky, how?
<Thracky>
frankdrey-pc: experience
<GabMus>
logcat: i was actually thinking about it
<frankdrey-pc>
Thracky, eh..:p
<GabMus>
take it easy, im still 16
<Thracky>
open source is an amazing thing, you create projects, you contribute to projects, you have a solid github profile
<Thracky>
a lot of people will hire based on that
<frankdrey-pc>
hmm yeah
<frankdrey-pc>
also, Gsoc when im 18 :D
<Thracky>
and in the interview they make sure you really know wtf you're talking about.
<Thracky>
but you can learn all that without school
<Thracky>
I like school though :P
<GabMus>
the problem with irc chats is that if we dont talk of the same thing users get really confused
<logcat>
mouhahahahha
<frankdrey-pc>
"yeah, i really hit those buttons right when i do if statements, making sure the architecture doesnt kernel panic while iterating through a linked list binary tree :D"
<logcat>
>:D
<Thracky>
frankdrey-pc: and you just lost the job.
<Thracky>
:D
<frankdrey-pc>
:D
<logcat>
xD
<Thracky>
in fact we should probably track frank down and tatoo that quote to his forehead.
* frankdrey-pc
wonders how many more nonsense sentences he can.... compile... :D
<logcat>
1st you do if statement when you push the button, not the reverse :P
<frankdrey-pc>
lol im joking, that was purposefully stupid :P
<GabMus>
funny fact: my school "address" is called "National Informatic Project). actually we never do it
<GabMus>
IT*
* frankdrey-pc
has one "open source" project that can count as experience
<frankdrey-pc>
runawaycar is LUA though, and we rushed it :P so it looks shitty
<frankdrey-pc>
im taking my time with PGR, in C, though :P
<frankdrey-pc>
i didnt even do much code for runawaycar, though :P
<frankdrey-pc>
mostly models
<GabMus>
could i ask you something? i want to learn more about programming and I.T. stuff that could make me capable of giving my contribution in (even small) open source projects, but i dont know HOW to learn practical stuff, things that really are useful. I just have some really basic C and pyhton knowledge and a pretty good html and css knowledge
<frankdrey-pc>
since i got grounded a week before release, when i was planning to do code
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<GabMus>
gimme suggestions >:D
<frankdrey-pc>
i wanted to get models done first, then code
<frankdrey-pc>
GabMus, jump into a project :D
<GabMus>
and then what?
<logcat>
GabMus: read book
<bbqbot>
derp
<frankdrey-pc>
GabMus, google shit you don't know
<frankdrey-pc>
best way to learn ^
<GabMus>
WHAT BOOK?! i need practical stuff, real things i can deal with
<frankdrey-pc>
write an IRC bot
<frankdrey-pc>
those are always fun
<GabMus>
what do i need?
<frankdrey-pc>
Perl and Google :D
<GabMus>
fuck. i dont know anything about perl
<logcat>
hey, there is canadians in norway xD
<frankdrey-pc>
make sure you don't copy paste stuff though
<GabMus>
lets get started ;D
<frankdrey-pc>
if you know some C, you can learn Perl
<logcat>
GabMus: read c and c++ for dummies :P
<GabMus>
i know some c already
<frankdrey-pc>
oh, and i once wrote a small "projectile motion demo" for practice
<Jiangyi>
Not too bad for a brand-new launch phone. :-P
<Espenfjo>
8gb
<Espenfjo>
And its not eur, its pounds
<Espenfjo>
@money 389 gbp cad
<bbqbot>
389 GBP = 622.86 CAD
<Espenfjo>
@money 389 gbp nok
<bbqbot>
389 GBP = 3610.69 NOK
<Espenfjo>
:/
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<logcat>
if it's for 8GB, that way overprice3d
<Kaik541>
it's carphone warehouse
<Kaik541>
look at how bullshit the whole thing
<Espenfjo>
But then again.. carphone warehouse is shit
<Espenfjo>
yeah
<Kaik541>
the screenshot is of someone running BAMF
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<Kaik541>
center clock icon, battery percentage
<Kaik541>
likely all of this is a placeholder image because they haven't been given real press images yet
<Kaik541>
@money 389 gbp usd
<bbqbot>
389 GBP = 627.21 USD
<Kaik541>
honestly that's not overpriced though
<Kaik541>
but if Google really wants to make a fucking dent, they'll take a hit like they did on the N7 and sell it closer to $400
<Kaik541>
hell I wouldn't be surprised if they dump down the GN to about $250 and the N4 up at $400
<Espenfjo>
:)
<Kaik541>
(at least in the US where you can actually buy it directly from google)
<logcat>
for 8GB memory with no sd it's overpriced
<Kaik541>
logcat: they'll do what they did with the N7 I'm sure, offer two sizes and increase the size over time without changing price points
<logcat>
hmm, lol
<Kaik541>
regional variants might be locked to one size though
<logcat>
look at the picture
<Jiangyi>
Espenfjo: Damn, that ruins it. :-|
<logcat>
360 degree camera
<logcat>
wtf is that ?
<Kaik541>
logcat: panorama view I'm sure
<Kaik541>
just better than the 180 degree version available now
<logcat>
hmm, it doesnt do 360 degree
<logcat>
ah
<logcat>
hmk xD
<Kaik541>
again, though, the whole picture/link could be complete bullshit
<logcat>
yeah, i know, i'm just laughing xD
<Kaik541>
I just refuse to believe anything (beyond knowing the phone exists) until google says something
<logcat>
4 days
<logcat>
:D
<Kaik541>
I also doubt the authenticity of that "leaked Nexus 10" manual
<Espenfjo>
+1
<Kaik541>
it demonstrates the N10 having an LED
<Espenfjo>
It looks 100% the same as the n8000
<Kaik541>
I don't believe that for a second
<Kaik541>
google does like LED's, but they like them in nice, obvious places
<Kaik541>
like the trackball in the N1 and below the buttons on GN
<Kaik541>
but it doesn't make sense on a tablet really, and the N7 doesn't have it
<Jiangyi>
Anyone know exactly what time the Google event is? :-P
<Kaik541>
I can't think of a good use for an LED on a tablet
<Kaik541>
Jiangyi: I think 1030 AM PDT
<Jiangyi>
Ah OK.
<Espenfjo>
aka 0530 gmt
<Jiangyi>
That means I'll be in school while it's going on D-:
<Kaik541>
I'm actually sorta intrigued by the sony xperia TL (being in the US and on AT&T)
<Kaik541>
but no unlocked bootloader
<Kaik541>
same with LG Optimus G
<Jiangyi>
Wait, TL's going to be locked?
<Jiangyi>
NUUUUU
<Jiangyi>
D-:
<Kaik541>
it's sony and the US carriers
<Kaik541>
sony doesn't even ask anymore about the carriers wanting it or not
<Kaik541>
they just do it
<Thracky>
do they make it easy to unlock though?
<Kaik541>
nope
<Thracky>
so what's with all the aosp support, then locking bootloaders :|
<Thracky>
makes no sense.
<Kaik541>
oh
<Kaik541>
no
<Kaik541>
wait
<Espenfjo>
They are going to sell it unlocked as well tho, non-carrier vrsion
<Espenfjo>
(?)
<Kaik541>
sony has their bootloaders unlockable internationally
<Kaik541>
the US versions just don't
<Thracky>
ohhh ok
<Kaik541>
Espenfjo: this is the US, so no
<Thracky>
that's fine I'm not US :P
<Espenfjo>
Kaik541: Just reading what Entropy512 has written about it
<Kaik541>
the idea of an "unlocked phone" doesn't really exist in the US
<Espenfjo>
Kaik541: "It sounds like Sony may sell it directly, and that will be unlockable. If so, it WILL get CM. However, ONLY if I can get a version with an officially unlockable bootloader. (I don't support devices which rely on bootloader hax.)"
<Kaik541>
when I tell my friends that I own an "unlocked Galaxy nexus" they have *no* idea what that means
<Espenfjo>
I couldnt care less about the US carriers ;)
<Jiangyi>
Thracky: It's not like we don't get the same things as the Americans. :-|
<Thracky>
well, we had the i9100 for example.
<Kaik541>
Jiangyi: you get the same thing at more reasonable prices with a better example in carriers
<Thracky>
and unlocked galaxy nexus'es
<Kaik541>
you get choices and competing price points
<Kaik541>
we get "shitty option A or shitty option B"
<Kaik541>
we're all locked into "family accounts" here for the most part, where you get a discount by having all your family use one plan
<Jiangyi>
Well, with the whole LTE thing these days, we pretty much get the same phones as America. :-|
<Thracky>
Kaik541: monthly bills are pretty high here tho :P
<Jiangyi>
Bell used to basically sell Intl. variants, but even they stopped because of LTE>
<Jiangyi>
.
<Kaik541>
but it means we're also already stuck to the same carrier so we might as well keep paying them and get "discounted phones" by agreeing to stay with them for another two years
<Thracky>
one person with 6 GB of data and like 200 minutes with voicemail & caller ID is like $70/month and our contracts are 3 years :P
<Kaik541>
Jiangyi: but America more or less gets the same phones as Korea at this point
<Jiangyi>
o-o How so?
<Kaik541>
since it's Samsung and LG kinda leading things... and Sony usually hits Japan a full 6 months before the US
<Kaik541>
the only things we usually get first are HTC phones... and who wants an HTC phone anymore?
<bbqbot>
derp
<Thracky>
one x is nice, except for sense :P
<Jiangyi>
Well, America certainly still gets the Nexus before everyone else. :-P
<Kaik541>
samsung's typical rollout is Korea->Parts of Asia->Europe->Australia->USA
<Kaik541>
LG's is Korea->Asia->USA
<Thracky>
I think we're actually getting the Note 2 before USA aren't we?
<Kaik541>
Sony's is Japan->Korea->USA
<Thracky>
by like a week
<Kaik541>
Thracky: you guys have had the note 2 for a bit I believe, we're just getting our first ones today
<Thracky>
nope it's out on the 30th
<Thracky>
my wife works in the business :P
<Thracky>
(and is buying the note 2)
<Kaik541>
depends on the part of Europe you're in I suppose
<Thracky>
CA not EU :P
<Kaik541>
oh
<Kaik541>
I don't count canada in that rollout
<Jiangyi>
Have to say, the Korean variants really don't get much 3rd-party support :-|
<Kaik541>
since Canada is basically "take US version, change radio frequency"
<Thracky>
nah, we use whatever AT&T is on.
<Jiangyi>
We kinda have the same frequency lol
<Thracky>
(i747 for example)
<Kaik541>
Thracky: unless you're on mobilcity or wind
<Thracky>
yeah but they suck :P
<Jiangyi>
Canada is "Take US version, remove branding"
<Thracky>
shitty shitty shitty coverage.
<Jiangyi>
Kaik541: They use T-mo bands, so.... :-|
<Thracky>
most people who use those carriers switch after 6 months cause they can't stand it.
<Kaik541>
Thracky: you just described TMO which is why they get the TMO version :P
<xplodwild>
Someone give me a Nexus 4
<xplodwild>
Now
<Kaik541>
xplodwild: YOUR PHONE CAN GLITTER IN THE SUN LIKE A VAMPIRE
<Thracky>
Kaik541: well, the issue with these carriers is they are *really* new and haven't built up their coverage at all.
* Jiangyi
blames the big 3
<Thracky>
Kaik541: they only work in major urban centers and even then the call can drop and roam on another carrier's tower.
<Thracky>
then you pay 25c/minute
<Kaik541>
Thracky: the only decent prepaid carrier in the US is straight talk
<Kaik541>
and it's an MVNO which use AT&T and TMO
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<Thracky>
MVNOs all got bought up here heh
<Thracky>
owned by the major carriers now
<Kaik541>
ours are starting too
<Kaik541>
I don't understand the metroPCS/TMO merger at all that's going on right now
<TG_>
hi all
<Kaik541>
metroPCS is a CDMA carrier and TMO is a GSM carrier
<Kaik541>
metroPCS piggybacks on Sprint who piggybacks on Verizon
<Jiangyi>
Thracky: Except for 7-eleven lol
<Kaik541>
makes no god damn sense
<TG_>
i'm a noob with a stupid question.. seriously
<Kaik541>
Thracky: do you know the history of AT&T
<Thracky>
Jiangyi: yeah except them, and I think petro canada and President's Choice maybe also.
<Thracky>
Kaik541: off the top of my head no, but I'm sure I've heard it :P
<Jiangyi>
Yeah, but they have 365 day expiration. xD
<Thracky>
I hate prepaid anyways
<Thracky>
gonna buy a burner phone for hackfest though
<Thracky>
that's all they're good for :P
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* Jiangyi
is on it cuz he doesn't exactly make many calls
* Jiangyi
takes a Nokia C3 on most of these trips :-P
<Thracky>
in other news, I got a gaming headset finally
<Thracky>
corsair vengeance 1500 for $50 out of pocket
<Kaik541>
Thracky: that video pretty much sums up the history of the current AT&T we have today
<Thracky>
lol
<Thracky>
at&t used to own part of rogers here
<Jiangyi>
lmao
<Kaik541>
that's why they're both referred to as "ma bell"
<Thracky>
makes sense, I knew it had something to do with the whole breaking up of bell
<Thracky>
Jiangyi: since you like bf3, you should play planetside 2 once it's out.
<Thracky>
or if I get another buddy key
<Thracky>
I played it once for like 15 minutes, hated it, left it for 3 weeks. Went and watched a couple videos of it and now I love it :D
<Jiangyi>
Well the trailer looks sick, I must say :-D
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<Thracky>
it's quite fun. each territory is sort of like an instance of bf3 (in very very loose terms) but it's just one huge continent
<Thracky>
you wind up with some crazy like 100+ people swarming a base with 100+ trying to protect it
<Jiangyi>
Yeah, from the looks of it, it'd only be fun with a ton of people playing at the same time.
<Thracky>
there's always lots of people
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<Thracky>
mmo style servers
<Thracky>
usually thousands on one server spread across the whole landmass
<Thracky>
it'll be nuts once it's launched though
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<Jiangyi>
Well, that'll definitely be something new.
<Jiangyi>
I haven't really played any real MMOs before lol
<Kaik541>
didn't some company already try to make this game?
<Thracky>
planetside 1? :P
<Kaik541>
wasn't this massive action game?
<Thracky>
planetside 1 has been around ages, but was monthly pay to play
<Thracky>
same concept though
<Kaik541>
yeah I remember I got a free month or something a long time ago
<Kaik541>
played it, seemed fun
<Kaik541>
iirc reminded me of like a massive version of tribes
<Thracky>
PS2 is just awesome though, I'm really really enjoying it
<Thracky>
and I'm mostly sick of shooters
<Thracky>
except this and tribes :P
<Thracky>
there's no skiing and only 1 class has jetpacks ;-)
<Thracky>
in ps2
<Kaik541>
from what I really remember it seemed more like a cross between tribes and tremulous
<Jiangyi>
I'm going to go arggh Warfighter and BO2 when it comes out just for the campaign. :-P
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<Thracky>
well PS2 now is sort of bf3'ish in terms of how you gain control points, but there's so much more to it than that heh.
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<Thracky>
there's anti vehicle shields you have to take down so your tanks can roll in, most bases have lots of AA guns to man, you can disable the enemy spawn point...
<Thracky>
you die a lot. :D
<Jiangyi>
Oh joy.
* Jiangyi
hates dying =|
<Thracky>
nah it's not bad
<Thracky>
it sort of adds some strategy. you have these mobile personnel carriers that also act as spawn points
<Thracky>
(with a particular upgrade)
<Kaik541>
Thracky: sounds a lot like tremulous
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<Xello>
but is there a redeemer?
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<Thracky>
Kaik541: sort of, but there's no base building really, it's all just fighting for control over existing stuff.
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<Thracky>
but some of the bases get quite complex in terms of how to defend/attack them.
<Thracky>
one I was playing this morning had 2 outposts outside of the base, and if you controlled them you could teleport up to the main base easily.
<Thracky>
so if nobody's around defending things go bad quickly :P
<Xello>
ridin nukes! while firin additional nukes!
<Kaik541>
made by sony but won't be on PS3, annoying
<Thracky>
too crazy for console
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<Kaik541>
eh, doubt that
<Thracky>
just in terms of controls I mean.
<DuperMan>
WHORE UU CALLINN A RDUNJK~!>!?!?!
<bbqbot>
derp
<Thracky>
DuperMan: you.
<DuperMan>
fair enough
<Kaik541>
Thracky: again, doubt that, considering the PS3 is capable of using a keyboard and mouse if the game allows it
<Kaik541>
add to that I find myself a typically more efficient gamer with a controller
<Xello>
which game has ever done that though
<Thracky>
I hate shooters with a controller.
<Jiangyi>
I can't use a controller for my life :-|
<DuperMan>
Jiangyi: the future it is coming it is murder
<Kaik541>
the only difficulty I've found with a controller is when you have a larger arsenal of weapons to choose from
<Kaik541>
but I'm actually a more precise aimer
<DuperMan>
Kaik541: aiming is what gets us most
<Xello>
thats just because you havent used mouse enough
<Thracky>
The biggest issue with PS2 on a console would be just dealing with the UI elements
<DuperMan>
Xello: dumb thing to to tell Kaik541
<Kaik541>
with a mouse I tend to "catch" after a while to move my hand back to where I can aim further
<Thracky>
I guess you'd get rid of text chat though.
<Kaik541>
Thracky: not really, Portal 2 supported text chat
<Xello>
thats all to do with setup and practice
<Xello>
mouse is just objectively superior to analogue stick for first person aiming
<DuperMan>
Xello: life has to do with air
<Kaik541>
Xello: not arguing that, but I'm saying people who are good with controllers can keep pace with most FPS gamers with a keybaord and mouse
<DuperMan>
objectively....
<DuperMan>
weird use of the term
<DuperMan>
explain how so
<Xello>
because analogue sticks have a low max sensitivity
<Xello>
and no 1:1 tracking
<DuperMan>
they have AT ALL incremental and a very good fidelity
<DuperMan>
so WTF
<Xello>
if you want to turn around and shoot someone behind you with an analogue stick, you jam the stick as far as it can go, and you cant make it turn any faster
<Xello>
with a mouse, you move your hand as much as is needed
<Kaik541>
Xello: but that's all about sensitivity settings
<DuperMan>
so the mouse, being less realistic, is gooder?
<DuperMan>
f u
<Xello>
whos talking realistic lol
<Xello>
join the army if you want realism
<DuperMan>
just set max d for acc. stick analogue at awesome
<DuperMan>
be awesome
<DuperMan>
win
<DuperMan>
I live in camel central. I almost did.
<DuperMan>
:P
<Xello>
again, you cannot set analogue stick sensitivity high enough to compete with a mouse
<Kaik541>
but again, it comes back to the fact that the PS3 can use a keybaord and mouse for games if the developer makes it so
<DuperMan>
oooooh a ps3
<Kaik541>
Xello: let's play some portal 2 and find out :P
<DuperMan>
instafail:D
<Xello>
i championed that fact back in the day
<Xello>
no games i know of have taken advantage of it
<Xello>
FFXIV will
<Kaik541>
portal 2 does I think
<DuperMan>
I haz pc
<Kaik541>
because I found that out by accident, I have a wireless keyboard attached to my PS3
<DuperMan>
I luvez it
<Xello>
there is a simple test, you dont need a game on console used with a keyboard
<Kaik541>
kicked it while playing portal 2 and text box came up
<DuperMan>
Kaik541: and I'm hte drunk?
<Xello>
you just need to play counter strike on pc with a controller
<Xello>
or any fps
<DuperMan>
Xello: obvious is obvious, playing devil's advocat. sh............
<Xello>
kaik wont admit defeat :P
<Kaik541>
Xello: it depends on what level of gamers you're playing against
<Kaik541>
if you're talking about playing CS against CAL-I players, yeah sure, you're fucked with a controller
<DuperMan>
the really good gamers castrate you with jedi powers
<DuperMan>
regardless of the game
<Kaik541>
the average player (as in average, the people you'll be playing against/with the most often) won't really matter
<DuperMan>
*ppl you'll be decorating your pad wiht whose entrails
<Kaik541>
I seriously doubt anyone could ever become the "best" at any game that offers both a controller and PC input would ever be a controller user
<Xello>
i think you just admitted defeat :P
<Kaik541>
but on the average level of skill, the ability is probably indistinguishable
<DuperMan>
Kaik541: an then?
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<Kaik541>
no I said the best players won't be using controllers, but the best players will also be using custom gaming mouses with their DPI's set to their preference and bring their own keyboards to events
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<Kaik541>
that is not at all how 99% of the world play
<DuperMan>
so the prodigious 1% will know their shit
<chadouming>
hmm
<chadouming>
i prefer mouse + keyboard for fps
<DuperMan>
and the rest will eat dust
<Xello>
the truth is the average skill level is so low because the controller keeps it that way
<DuperMan>
and bullets
<DuperMan>
I play for fun!!!! (tm)
<chadouming>
but for racing or aircraft game i prefer controller
<Xello>
bundle a mouse and keyboard with 360 since 2005 and it would be a different story
<Kaik541>
Xello: doubtful, since the advent of "use controller on PC" is relatively new outside of emulators
<chadouming>
hence why i have xbox 360 controller on my pc :D
<Thracky>
even sandbox gta style games I much prefer a controller.
<Thracky>
but shooters, no way.
<Xello>
im talking about skill in general, which includes all consoles
<Kaik541>
from like 89-94 was the age of shitty controllers like the sidewinder
<Xello>
which by definition means, pretty much 99% consoles
<DuperMan>
shitty=best in clas
<DuperMan>
s
<DuperMan>
fify
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<Xello>
but im not arguing controller vs keyboard for all games
<Xello>
only fps
<Kaik541>
I'm talking just FPS too
<DuperMan>
I'm an fps
<Xello>
i have sixaxis and 360 controller and use both for any game which is better with it
<Kaik541>
before the seventh generation of consoles, how many people actually played multiplayer FPS with controllers?
<Kaik541>
probably none because it was almost all exclusively PC
<Xello>
who on consoles has ever not played fps with controller?
<bbqbot>
derp
<Kaik541>
Xello: "before seventh generation of consoles" (i.e. 360, ps3)
<Kaik541>
but those consoles are only 5 or 6 years old
<DuperMan>
shitty song
<Thracky>
Kaik541: uhh, halo on xbox 1?
<Kaik541>
Thracky: multiplayer
<Thracky>
it had multiplayer
<Xello>
never heard of halo or goldeneye lol
<DuperMan>
Thracky: crap is cra[
<DuperMan>
crap
<Kaik541>
it had split screen
<Kaik541>
4 player split screen
<DuperMan>
yay
<Kaik541>
though the xbox opened that up a bit with system link
<Kaik541>
halo 2 did have a wider community for sure
<chadouming>
halo 1 and 2 on xbox 1 was cool
<chadouming>
i remember night of split screen
<chadouming>
:D
<Kaik541>
but if you were to take the entire xbox 1 FPS community, it *might* be the same size as just the CS PC community
<Thracky>
halo 2 had xbl didn't it?
<Thracky>
or something of that sort
<Kaik541>
but my point is that numbers matter,
<DuperMan>
halo, shit.
<Kaik541>
most people don't play with controllers
<Kaik541>
so you can't say controller quality is what brings the skill level down
<DuperMan>
only redeemer of controllers is autoaim
<DuperMan>
which is legit-cheat
<DuperMan>
so fuck that shit
<Thracky>
no it has nothing to do with quality it has to do with practice, but I think the nature of a mouse as a quick/precise aiming tool is the big thing.
<DuperMan>
so fuck that shit
<Kaik541>
oh I won't deny a mouse is more precise, of course it is
<Xello>
im totally lost in this debate
<Kaik541>
which is why games like halo have (as DuperMan pointed out) auto-aim-help
<Thracky>
this is why consoles/pc's don't play together
<DuperMan>
the debate is moot. fun is fun. gutting is fun.
<Xello>
ps3 and 360 players dont have keyboards, they are forced to use controllers, and that limits their skill, caps their highest possible aiming prowess, that is my point
<Thracky>
because consoles have a fudge factor to make them playable :P
<DuperMan>
you gut, you laugh.
<Kaik541>
Xello: that artificially limits their skills, yes, but what about the people who play the PC versions with controllers?
<Xello>
no one does!
<Thracky>
what game tried to have pc/console playing on the same servers? shadowrun or something?
<Kaik541>
I do
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<Xello>
no one serious :P
<DuperMan>
brb
<Kaik541>
I can typically compete with most games I play
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<Kaik541>
i was fucking terrible at that batman gotham imposters game
<Kaik541>
but when I play TF2, the controller vs keyboard didn't make a difference for me
<Kaik541>
and I played as a sniper
<Kaik541>
usually, not always
<Xello>
i dont believe you think even a fraction of people on pc are gaming fps with controllers though
<Xello>
such a tiny fraction you can discount it
<Kaik541>
oh no, very small minority
<Xello>
0.00000000000000001%
<Kaik541>
but my point is that even if they are a small set of the gamers, that doesn't mean they can't compete at a higher than average level
<Xello>
i mean, aside from the fact that it would restrict you, you have to go out of your way to get the damn thing working
<Kaik541>
Xello: would you consider a person who plays an RTS with a keyboard in their lap strange?
<chadouming>
well, most fps game made for pc doesnt handle really well the controllers
<Xello>
in their lap? *shrug*
<bbqbot>
derp
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<Kaik541>
Xello: thinking of all the keys you have to press rapidly and precisely, do you think the average user could play an RTS like that?
<Xello>
i dont play rts, but i dont know whats weird about sitting keyboard on laps
<chadouming>
i played wow like that for over a yeara
<chadouming>
year*
<Xello>
my keyboard pretty much sits at lap height
<Kaik541>
chadouming: not an RTS
<Kaik541>
Xello: but at a desk which is evenly balanced
<Xello>
not much difference between it being on a flat surface and on my knees
<Kaik541>
you adjust your sitting position at all and it's off tilt
<chadouming>
well, you have to press all the button and react quickly if you want to end first dps in all boss fight
<Kaik541>
chadouming: but when you raid or instance does it always sit on your lap? or when things get serious do you move it back up to the desk?
<Kaik541>
I can imagine the "walking around" and "non-competitive" parts of the game you play like that, but always?
<Xello>
i would never game that way because i have no need to, but i dont see that it would be a huge disadvantage, unless you had a huge keyboard
<chadouming>
i odnt play wow anymore, but it would have been hard since i had i had no desk till a month ago xD
<chadouming>
so it was all boss fight like that
<Kaik541>
Xello: think about the average RTS player, you need to know where the keys are and you need to reach them quickly and often
<DuperMan>
now i make food
<DuperMan>
bbl
<Kaik541>
how many times have you set a plate in your lap and almost knocked it off your leg just be adjusting?
<Xello>
i guess my keyboard mastery is over 9000
<Xello>
lol
<Kaik541>
set your keyboard in your lap and try to play an FPS
<Xello>
i couldn't do that, i use arrow keys
<Kaik541>
even if you used "WASD" it wouldn't matter
<Xello>
i cant use WASD on my desk
<Xello>
never mind lap
<Kaik541>
only one hand is usually on the keyboard at a time for most games
<Kaik541>
so you push down on one side on your lap and it becomes a see-saw
<Xello>
whats the point of all this anyway i thought we were talking about controllers lol
<Kaik541>
my point is that good players don't always play in the typical fashion
<Kaik541>
and the reason I brought up that specific example because the only professional video gamer I know of that plays with a keyboard in his lap is LiquidSheth in StarCraft 2
<Kaik541>
no one would deny he's an amazing gamer, but that's how he plays
<Xello>
sure, people b quirky
<Xello>
i like watching people use sticks on fighting games
<Xello>
arcade pads
<Xello>
i could never do that
<Xello>
though, i challenge them to do it on super smash bros and beat me on controller
<Kaik541>
yes so if someone can play a game that requires way more precision (arguably) than an FPS without even a stable surface to play on at an incredibly high level, I think the average player with a controller can compete with the average player with a keyboard and mnouse
<Kaik541>
Xello: oh that's a good point, I play SSBB on the Wii with a nunchuk and wiimote... most of my friends play with gamecube controllers
<Kaik541>
we're all on about the same level even if mine is the "unorthodox" way
<Xello>
i guess im not really arguing keyboard and mouse vs controller
<chadouming>
how did this controller vs keyboard + mouse war started ?
<Kaik541>
NO IDEA
<Xello>
what im saying is, mouse movement vs analogue stick movement
<Kaik541>
I'm bored and need shit to takl about
<chadouming>
lol
<Kaik541>
Xello: yes there is a limit to how far you can pin the analogue stick one way or another
<Kaik541>
but there's also a limit for how far you can move the mouse before you have to pick it back up and move it back to where it was
<Xello>
when it comes to the point of "just put the sensitivity on max" its like yeah, now how are you gonna aim accurately lol
<Kaik541>
again, it all comes down to sensitivity at that point
<Xello>
i dont find a limit with the mouse in that regard
<Kaik541>
not max, but you have to find that middle ground that's effective for your ability to both aim and orient
<Xello>
unless you have to do a full 360, which you never do lol
<Xello>
though you could always bump up the DPI if you wanted to
<Kaik541>
anyway
<Kaik541>
point being
<Xello>
yeah you have to use a low to mid sensitivity for controllers, i game hard on halo 3 back in the day
<chadouming>
new razer mouse with 8k DPI :D
<Xello>
3-5 / 10 was the standard
<Kaik541>
controller doesn't limit the player, the familiarity limits the player
<Kaik541>
I used either 6 or 7 on halo 3, I don't remember
<Kaik541>
been a long time since I played that
<Xello>
it does limit them though, the best controller player on a game on console will only be able to compete up to a certain level on a pc version of the same hypothetical game
<Kaik541>
it depends on the game mechanic
<Kaik541>
even as an FPS, there's are derivatives where I don't think that's true
<Xello>
i mean the whole term 'twitch shooter'
<Kaik541>
if you're playing like counter-strike? yeah they're gonna get their ass handed to them
<Xello>
you just cant apply it to a controller
<Xello>
im a cs player so thats whats in my mind alot
<Kaik541>
well you technically can with a modded controller with macro buttons
<Xello>
lol
<Kaik541>
but if everyone who plays keyboard/mouse games can buy a custom mouse and keyboard suited to their specific gameplay style, I don't see why you can assume everyone with a controller uses the standard xbox 360 one
<Kaik541>
or ps3 one
<Kaik541>
or whatever
<Xello>
what percentage of CoD players do you reckon do not use the standard controller
<Xello>
i reckon its another 0.0000000001%
<Kaik541>
oh very limited
<Xello>
i pick cod at random, apply to any console popular fps
<Kaik541>
but if someone wanted to be a 'serious gamer' there's no reason to believe they can't have a modifid controller
<Kaik541>
just like you can have a modified keyboard and mouse
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<Xello>
what do you mean by a modified keyboard and mouse though
<chadouming>
weight like you want
<chadouming>
custom key shortcut
<chadouming>
custom dpiu
<chadouming>
dpi*
<Kaik541>
mechanical keyboards, customizable keyboard layouts (whether physical or through software settings), weight, DPI settings, sensitivity settings both in game and third party software
<chadouming>
custom color on certain model :D
<Kaik541>
to me the controller vs keyboard thing comes down to the fact that everyone views keyboards as "dogs" (where the breed matters, but everyone's preference is difference) but everyone views controllers as "cats" (where anything feline is a cat)
<Xello>
i mean again, its just a matter of mouse movement vs analogue stick movement for me
<Xello>
the keyboard is actually a disadvantage
<Kaik541>
Xello: one macro button that equals "turn 90 degrees"
<Xello>
lol well i dont think people play like that
<Kaik541>
because it's a minute subset of the gaming community
<Kaik541>
doesn't mean it doesn't (or can't) exist
<Xello>
probably that 0.000000001% again
<chadouming>
i has a 2 button i can setup on my mouse, and there is a perconfigured 360degree spin :D
<Kaik541>
and since a keyboard and mouse combination have all that space for customization, so can a controller
<Xello>
imo that customization doesnt come into play
<Kaik541>
it's only "leveling the playing field" at this point to me
<Xello>
like, even at pro level on a game like cs
<Kaik541>
Xello: true, it hasn't ever yet
<Xello>
people just play
<Kaik541>
and I doubt it will any time soon
<Kaik541>
doesn't mean it can't
<Kaik541>
see I don't believe "people just play"
<Kaik541>
have you watched any pro CS games?
<bbqbot>
derp
<chadouming>
xello, in what world you live ? people dont just play, people want to win
<Kaik541>
they bring their own desktops, their own mousepads, their own keyboards
<Xello>
lol
<Kaik541>
sometimes their own monitors
<chadouming>
everyone has the razer mousepad
<Kaik541>
they fly across the country with these things just so they're familiar with it
<Xello>
i assure you they have no "turn 90 degrees" macros
<chadouming>
2ms latency ftw
<Xello>
of course people wanna use their own hardware
<Kaik541>
Xello: like chadouming said, a lot of mouses come pre-configured with 180 degree turns gestures
<chadouming>
behhh
<chadouming>
i said 360
<Kaik541>
well whatever
<Xello>
i watch cs games regularly and have never seen that
<Kaik541>
my point is that level of customization *does* exist
<Xello>
and i have over 1000 hours on source / go and have never seen that
<Xello>
but i will watch out for it...
<Kaik541>
ha
<Kaik541>
"source"
<Kaik541>
CS:S is not twitch gaming
<Kaik541>
GO, sure, but not source
<Xello>
all the cs games are twitch
<Kaik541>
compare CS1.5 or 1.6 to CS:S and say that to me
<Kaik541>
they're not even in the same breed
<Xello>
no arguing there
<Kaik541>
the whole reason CS:GO exists is because valve basically said they got CS:S wrong
<Xello>
i dont think so, they outsourced it lol
<Kaik541>
"Global Offensive began as a port of Counter-Strike: Source to the Xbox 360 by Hidden Path Entertainment. During the development Valve saw the opportunity to turn the port into a full game and expand on Counter-Strike's gameplay."
<Xello>
its a new counter strike, you get one now and then
<Xello>
counter strike 2017 wont mean they think csgo was a mistake x_X
<Kaik541>
it did start out outsourced as a port project, but then valve reigned it back in as one of their own games
<Kaik541>
but when you look at a game and say "well you're porting it? how about we just make a different game" to me that sounds like they fucked up at some point
<Kaik541>
not those riducluosly cartoony hitboxes from CS:S
<Xello>
the goal was to combine source and 1.6
<Kaik541>
which they did
<Kaik541>
and I think they did it well
<Kaik541>
CS:GO is definitely a great game
<Xello>
some aspects are so different from both (the movement)
<Kaik541>
if I had a desktop that could play it, I'd probably be playing it now
<Xello>
if i wasnt fixing an idiot's pc over remote desktop, id be playing it now xD
<Kaik541>
Xello: I didn't say they said "CS:S was beyond redemption and a blasphemy on the skin of Valve" I just said that they realized they couldn't "fix" CS:S to be the game it should have been
<Kaik541>
so instead, new game
<Xello>
they waited a long time then lol
<Xello>
source is what 8 years old
<Kaik541>
about
<Xello>
they made a new cs because they made a new cs
<Kaik541>
but CS:S used Orange Box SDK 2007
<Xello>
its their business
<Kaik541>
but CS:GO uses a new revision of the Alien Swarm Source Engine
<Xello>
source predates orange box by 3 years though
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<Xello>
if only it were that simple :P
<Kaik541>
well yes they were all obviously evolutions of one to the next
<Xello>
they had multiple revisions just between orange box and ep 2
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<Kaik541>
episode 2 was part of orange box :P
<Xello>
ep 1 and 2 i should say
<Xello>
and between hl2 and ep1, etc
<Kaik541>
yes, the original "Src" engine was used for HL2 and EP1 (from valve at least)
<Kaik541>
and I think maybe even the original Left4Dead
<Kaik541>
but Orange Box Source was used for EP2, Portal, and TF2 to showcase how visually distinct the engine could be
<Xello>
well its 30 mins past bed time now, good chatting
<Kaik541>
good night
<Jiangyi>
Speaking of Source, I should get around to finishing BMS. :-P
<Kaik541>
Jiangyi: good game
<Kaik541>
can't wait for the last levels to be released
<Jiangyi>
I barely started lol
<Kaik541>
actually, can't wait for it to be available on steam, as well as the stanley parable HD
<Kaik541>
I'm such a huge half life nerd, I finished it maybe a week after it was released
<Kaik541>
but then again, I had been following it's development since like 2006
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<Jiangyi>
That's a pretty damn long time lol
<yomi>
is there a certain way to edit the build.prop? because whenever I do it, it can't boot after I'm done.
<Thracky>
what are you editing it with
<yomi>
nano
<Thracky>
should be fine.
<yomi>
it never is....
<Thracky>
also depends on what you're editing :P
<yomi>
I've reinstalled twice...
<yomi>
ah...I'm editing this line...wifi.supplicant_scan_interval=
<yomi>
I put it to 300...
<Thracky>
standard setting is 15.
<Thracky>
I think on some tablets anyways.
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<Thracky>
dunno what the max is
<Thracky>
but possibly you've exceeded it?
<Thracky>
(could be a max of 255)
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<yomi>
mhm right...
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<Thracky>
most tweaks I see for it adjust it to 180
<yomi>
I wouldn't be suprised if that was the max...
<chadouming>
i dont think there is a maximum since it's only an interval in sec
<chadouming>
but it's probably an int
<Thracky>
also, you could just edit the build.prop in your rom, then flash.
<chadouming>
no need to
<chadouming>
he should be alright
<Thracky>
well, he isn't :P
<yomi>
I've just been doing it through adb...
<yomi>
It's weird though, even though I made a backup, and then restored it after it stopped working, it still wouldn't boot. :/
<DuperMan>
oh come on
<DuperMan>
I ain't dead yet
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<Entropy512>
Kaik541: The TL may be sold directly by Sony (unlike most previous AT&T devices), and the ones sold directly by Sony should be unlockable.
<Entropy512>
I'm waiting for launch day then emailing KalleD
<Kaik541>
Entropy512: yes hopefully
<yomi>
Thracky: how would I do what you suggested?
<Kaik541>
but if I'm going to buy outright, I might just stay Nexus
<Kaik541>
but TL looks sexy
<Kaik541>
especially if it's actually the TL and not the T
<Thracky>
yomi: open the zip, edit the build.prop, replace it in the zip.
<Kaik541>
because they sold Ion unlocked too but without LTE
<DuperMan>
Entropy512: should I troll here or play dishonoreD?
<yomi>
oh now that makes a lot of sense...
<yomi>
I like that...
<yomi>
and since I'm on nightlies...
<Entropy512>
Kaik541: yeah. Even though I likely won't see LTE for ages, it'll be useful for travel
<Kaik541>
Entropy512: I live in Austin, I have better LTE coverage than 2G
<DuperMan>
abroad: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
<Entropy512>
and yeah, I specifically want the TL variant for the AT&T LTE bands if I do get it.
<DuperMan>
home: meh
<DuperMan>
story of my life
<Entropy512>
Kaik541: I live in the boonies, we only got 3G 2-3 years ago
<Entropy512>
long after the rest of the country
<DuperMan>
c-c haz hspda+ since surprisingly relevant
<DuperMan>
but ain't rel. no mo
<Kaik541>
Entropy512: that and it would be nice not to have two "TL" variants to support
<Entropy512>
Two variants?
<bbqbot>
derp
<Kaik541>
though I doubt the AT&T one will be unlcoked
<Kaik541>
Entropy512: Ion has two US variants
<Kaik541>
the one they sold unlocked is different from the international one
<DuperMan>
wasn't atat a walker?
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<Entropy512>
Kaik541: Oh? So there were three variants total? (US unlocked, international unlocked, AT&T locked)?
<Jiangyi>
I'm not finding any references about the US unlocked and the ATT locked version being different. o-o