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<fubz> hi!
<fubz> I have an issue with my own installation of sandstorm. Can anyone help me out?
<fubz> When I click on any of my Grains the page shows the loading spinner and nothing ever happens. There is nothing in the log.
<kentonv> fubz: that usually means wildcard DNS isn't working correctly
<kentonv> did you specify your own domain or use sandcats?
<fubz> sandcats
<fubz> it is on a custom port though
<asheesh> then WILDCARD_HOST needs to be adjusted to contain the port
<asheesh> Should be "as easy as" replacing
<asheesh> WILDCARD_HOST=example.sandcats.io
<asheesh> with
<asheesh> WILDCARD_HOST=example.sandcats.io:8443
<asheesh> or similar
<asheesh> er
<asheesh> *.example.sandcats.io => *.example.sandcats.io:8443
<fubz> Wooo Hooo! it works
<fubz> Thank you very much :)
<asheesh> fubz: Thanks for stopping by and asking, and for your patience with this hard-to-discover configuration complexity.
<asheesh> You are very welcome!
<fubz> Ok, riddle me this, how does converting it over to my domain work? I tried setting it to my domain but I was getting hostname error due to the SSL certificate
<asheesh> If your own domain has a wildcard HTTPS, then something like https://docs.sandstorm.io/en/latest/administering/reverse-proxy/ is your friend.
<asheesh> Given that my personal domain (asheesh.org) doesn't have a wildcard for HTTPS, I use rose.sandcats.io as my Sandstorm UI.
<asheesh> You can share port 443 between th services; draft doc here:https://xamar.sandcats.io/shared/Bqa9dftNbc1Ni06D-SgBdkFuM_iky8VHAlTw0Rk1lzN
<kentonv> ANNOUNCEMENT: New web site is up: https://sandstorm.io
<fubz> I would need a wildcard certificate too correct?
<asheesh> fubz: If you want to appear on your own domain, then yes.
<asheesh> kentonv: zomg yes
<asheesh> I have a blog post to submit; submit as pull request??!
<fubz> Unfortunately I'm trying to stick with free Let's Encrypt certificates for now. I will see how much I use sandstorm though
<kentonv> asheesh: yes!
<asheesh> fubz: Cool - you can keep it on the username.sandcats.io domain for now, then, and use sniproxy to share port 443 between the services.
<fubz> What do you mean by share port 443?
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<asheesh> You presumably have an existing HTTPS service using Apache or nginx, yeah?
<fubz> Correct
<fubz> nginx
<asheesh> You can use sniproxy so that for the *.sandcats.io hostnames, your machine serves the response from Sandstorm, and for all other hostnames, it serves from Apache/nginx.
<asheesh> Then you don't have to have a special port number for Sandstorm.
<asheesh> Hmm, I might not be explaining this well, yet.
<fubz> Very interesting. I think I know what you mean. Let me restate: sniproxy allows me to redirect my user.sandcats.io to my user.sandcats.io:{customport} while leaving my url in my browser as user.sandcats.io. Correct?
<asheesh> Ya!
<fubz> Thank you very much asheesh. You are a awesome :)
<asheesh> fubz: You're welcome!
<asheesh> Thank xamar who wrote the tutorial!
<asheesh> kentonv: please see github!!
<asheesh> I'm tempted to add a note that our button-esque links on the site now do something reasonable on `:hover`, but I don't know if that's a sore point.
<asheesh> And/or it's too long anyway.
<asheesh> But anyway aldeka_ it's true, please visit https://sandstorm.io/
<asheesh> I know it took us a year to do what you wanted but we did!
<kentonv> asheesh: Hmm, we already published a blog post today
<asheesh> I know, but it sorts correctly!!
<kentonv> by accident?
<asheesh> alpha
<asheesh> "w" is so late in the alphabet that it carefully makes Jade's post be before it
<asheesh> I'm +1 on posting it today, then publicizing it later/tomorrow/whatever since I don't think the posting date and date of Tweeting need to match.
<asheesh> oh my
<asheesh> it is already merged
<asheesh> kentonv: I hope you'll do something with the semi-secret testing URL for the redesigned site, like permanent-redirect it to https://sandstorm.io/
<fubz> Are you guys the developers of Sandstorm?
<asheesh> Ya
<kentonv> yep
<asheesh> Guys and gals, even
<asheesh> (-:
<fubz> Then you can keep each other in check :)
<fubz> I really love the app so far, thanks!
<asheesh> : D thanks so much, fubz
<asheesh> BTW where in the world are you located?
<asheesh> If you like Sandstorm, two interesting possible things to do are to (1) find a nearby meetup http://sandstorm.meetup.com/ and/or (2) join the sandstorm-dev email list, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sandstorm-dev
<kentonv> asheesh: apparently Jade and Nena were still reviewing the post
<asheesh> No one told me that! But OK!
<fubz> I'm in NY (not the city), USA
<asheesh> I guess I make my process be that I wait for a +1 from someone other than you before submitting to you for merge.
<asheesh> neynah / jadewang, happy to fix things as you like; let me know; sorry for the merge spam then.
<asheesh> fubz: FWIW I grew up in Rochester, NY, so I'm familiar with "not the city" (-:
<fubz> That is where I am born and raised and living asheesh
<fubz> :-D
<asheesh> Well that's cool. I know people on #rit-foss are also interested in Sandstorm.
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<fubz> Is there an IRC app? I'm not seeing one in the market
<asheesh> There isn't yet. I am hopeful there will be one soon. It requires two things. (1) Someone to package an IRC app, and (2) Someone to create an IRC gateway app that pokes through the Sandstorm security boundaries in a nice way.
<asheesh> That could be you, if you're interested!
<asheesh> It could also not be, which would be fine (-:
<fubz> My first project would have to be smaller to get familiar with the architecture. What language tool set will I need?
<dwrensha> if you're interested in Rust, you could look at https://github.com/dwrensha/sandstorm-rawapi-example-rust
<kentonv> fubz: anything that runs on Linux
<fubz> oh perfect!
<asheesh> https://docs.sandstorm.io/en/latest/vagrant-spk/packaging-tutorial/ is a much "thicker" set of packaging goop that is what I typically use.
<asheesh> The vagrant-spk tutorial shows how to turn a PHP app into a Sandstorm package.
<fubz> I've been looking for an excuse to learn Node for a while.... this could be my chance
<fubz> I get bored of using Java every day at work
<asheesh> So excited about new website.
<asheesh> Such props to neynah & kentonv
<kentonv> so glad we no longer have .html in our URLs!!!
<fubz> I thought the site looked different from when I was viewing it last week
<fubz> I love the cats, they are adorable
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<fubz> When my Troll friends are done installing apps and get bored and leave my site. How do I delete the information they posted?
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<kentonv> fubz: Hmm, currently there's no particular way to delete other users' data.
<kentonv> I mean, no easy way
<kentonv> you can prevent them from creating more grains by demoting them to "guest" in admin settings
<neynah> Yay! Thanks asheesh & fubz
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<kentonv> zarvox or neynah: do we have a mockup of the powerbox UI somewhere that I can throw into the how-it-works page?
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<neynah> kenton I have something in illustrator but I'd have to check with Drew(probably tomorrow) as I'm not sure about the current state of the Powerbox UI
<kentonv> neynah: it doesn't have to match the final product, I just want to illustrate what I'm talking about. :)
<kentonv> could you send it to me to play with and we'll check with Drew tomorrow?
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<neynah> Sent!
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<ocdtrekkie_> "Google-docs-like" seems like it's wrong.
<ocdtrekkie_> Isn't "Google Docs-like" better?
<kentonv> ocdtrekkie_: hmm, my intuition is that "Google-docs-like" is correct, but I'm not a linguist.
<ocdtrekkie_> Because "Google Docs" is a product.
<ocdtrekkie_> A proper noun.
<ocdtrekkie_> So hyphenating it is weird/improper, I think.
<kentonv> yes but '-' has higher operator precedence than ' ' so "Google Docs-like" means "Google (Docs-like)", which makes no sense. :)
<ocdtrekkie_> I generally look at brand names as kinda unmodifiable strings. "Google Docs"-like.
<kentonv> I feel like it's normal to replace all the spaces with hyphens when incorporating multiple words into a hyphenated phrase
<ocdtrekkie_> Wouldn't you, at the least, still capitalize Docs?
<kentonv> yeah I'd agree Docs should be capitalized
<ocdtrekkie_> (I dunno why I'm helping protect Google's branding here, it doesn't seem like a very me thing to do.)
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<asheesh> "Google Docs-like" is more right, I agree with ocdtrekkie_
<asheesh> Note that the above sentence is a comma splice, so now we know no one should trust me.
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<kentonv> worst Oasis push ever
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<asheesh> What's up with it, kentonv? )-:
<asheesh> OK, instead I am going to fall asleep. Seems working now. Good luck and thanks for maintaining it!
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<dwrensha> heh, "poorchestrating"
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<dwrensha> (spotted in https://sandstorm.io/developer )
<dwrensha> I'm guessing that's a typo, but it does kind of work as a portmanteau.
<dwrensha> poor man's orhcestration
<dwrensha> sometimes my lunch requires porkestration
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* asheesh waves, good morning.
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<pdurbin> dwrensha: heh
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<simonv3> I’ve got a question about the referral program (just saw the post). When I checked out my referral program page, it said I had successfully referred ocdtrekkie_ (assuming they're Jacob Weisz), but I’m doubtful of that?
<simonv3> I’ll take the 2 GB :P, but just thought I’d point it out
<asheesh> That should be answered in the blog post! Let me check.
<asheesh> Common question: I received referral bonus storage for someone I don’t know. How does that happen?
<asheesh> Anyone who signs up for an Oasis account after opening up a grain that you shared counts as your referral. If you tweeted a link or shared a document on a mailing list (e.g., puzzle hunt team, collaborators at work, study group), anyone who found Oasis through you and signs up for an account counts as your referral.
<asheesh> </copy-pasta> I should correct the text. It's anyone who follows a sharing link that came from you during the existence of the referral program, if that's the first sharing link they followed from anyone during the referral program.
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<simonv3> Yeah, that makes sense, I just kind of assumed Jacob Weisz already had an account
<simonv3> If ocdtrekkie_ and them are the same person
<simonv3> Unless I’m getting my OS projects confused
<ocdtrekkie_> I am him.
<ocdtrekkie_> But it might so happen that my identities are mixed up.
<ocdtrekkie_> Which I think is the case.
<simonv3> That might explain it
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<asheesh> simonv3: Yeah -- there's a "bug" in the referral program code where it will give you referral bonus credit even if someone else already had an account!
<asheesh> So long as the person (in this case ocdtrekkie_) hadn't followed a sharing link since the start of the referral program.
<asheesh> It's subtle. I hope that makes some sense.
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<ocdtrekkie_> Heh, apparently it's mutual. I got referral credit from Simon!
<simonv3> ah okay
<simonv3> So this only happened because ocdtrekkie_ and I already had accounts before the program started?
<asheesh> Ya
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<simonv3> gotcha
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