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<dostoyevsky> Will ruby ever catch up to e.g. python?
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<havenwood> dostoyevsky: Python 2 or Python 3?
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: Isn't Ruby already beyond caught up unless you group the two? ;P
<dostoyevsky> havenwood: more to things like pytorch/tensorflow/tf, sklearn, gensim, sympy
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: I wouldn't spend much time worrying about popularity between the top ten languages. That said, if you need something specific, use the language it's best implemented in.
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: Right tool for the job, and so on.
<dostoyevsky> havenwood: I think python already made all the unicode changes in 1.9 that python did for migration to 3
<dostoyevsky> s/python/ruby/
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: That doesn't keep half the users of the language from using exclusively Python 2, unfortunately,
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: We'll see if formal EoL helps, but I fear it'll more just for the Python community. We'll see!
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: In any case, Matz is determined for that not to happen with Ruby 3. :)
<dostoyevsky> havenwood: yeah, I think just EOLing a language like python now is doing is a big mistake... and maybe people start looking for other scripting languages again... I just miss ruby
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: What'd ya stop Ruby for?
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<havenwood> dostoyevsky: Ruby never went away. It just got popular enough not to be cool. You can still use it.
<dostoyevsky> havenwood: I didn't really stop with ruby, still use it.. but mostly in places where you would use shell scripts...
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: I use shell scripts where I'd use shell scripts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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<havenwood> dostoyevsky: What do you wish you were using Ruby for?
<dostoyevsky> I often will start with ruby, and then dump stuff into json... which I load from python to run some statistical algorithms, or use one of those other fancy python libraries...
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<havenwood> dostoyevsky: Python is popular with data science. There are a variety of Ruby options on that front but Python has more broadly used libs in that particular area.
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: You can use TS, SciRuby, etc, but they don't get as much love since far fewer folk use Ruby for that particular task.
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: FWIW, you can call sympy, torch, etc from Ruby: https://github.com/mrkn/pycall.rb
<dostoyevsky> yeah, I can't even imagine how much work it would be to have something like numpy in ruby...
<havenwood> TruffleRuby also interops very nicely without speed penalty.
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: You can just use Numpy from Ruby, which is easier.
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: It's nice that these days you can more and more cleanly use libraries across languages. :)
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: That way you can use the language you'd like, regardless of what the library you need was written in.
<dostoyevsky> https://libraries.io/rubygems/numpy -- haha, interesting
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: Yeah, there are lots of ways to get at Numpy from Ruby these days.
<havenwood> dostoyevsky: http://sciruby.com/
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<dostoyevsky> Has anyone used ruby with apache spark?
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