<mcdoven>
now I am familiar with sml racket and ruby
<havenwood>
mcdoven: This is a great place to share Ruby code for review and to ask general Ruby questions.
<havenwood>
mcdoven: A fair number of Rubyists are LISP fans.
<mcdoven>
I am still a student and yet to complete graduation, ruby and list both not great for jobs and industry as you mentioned above ?
<havenwood>
mcdoven: From the Ruby manpage, "[i]f you want a language for easy object-oriented programming, or ... you do like the concept of LISP, but don't like too many parentheses, Ruby might be your language of choice."
<mcdoven>
lisp*
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<havenwood>
mcdoven: historically LISP
<havenwood>
mcdoven: LISt Processor
<havenwood>
mcdoven: I'm happy with Lisp or lisp, whatever you like.
<havenwood>
I don't care.
<mcdoven>
havenwood yes
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<havenwood>
mcdoven: Ah, just understood what you meant! :)
<havenwood>
list -> lisp
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<mcdoven>
yes
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<mcdoven>
my bad english, Sorry
<havenwood>
i typo all the time
<mcdoven>
you suggest learn RUBY for gaining knowledge on oop and then switch to Industry language for job like java and python ?
<havenwood>
mcdoven: Clojure would be another to look at on the lisp front, but there are more Ruby jobs.
<havenwood>
mcdoven: Ruby would certainly prep you for a Python or Java job. You might end up with a Ruby job.
<havenwood>
mcdoven: At Square, we hire for all three.
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<havenwood>
More Ruby and Java than Python, but we use Python mostly for data science and machine learning.
<havenwood>
mcdoven: I'd suggest seeing what you like and then dig deep.
<havenwood>
mcdoven: If you show you can code in any language, that's huge.
<mcdoven>
havenwood thats good
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<mcdoven>
very nice talking to you
<havenwood>
mcdoven: If you have any Ruby questions or code to share, please let us know
<havenwood>
nice talking to you too
<mcdoven>
Sure
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<aesthe>
Hi I am new to Ruby but not to programming. What exactly does this regex do? (inp =~ /[^a-zA-Z0-9]/).nil? I thought only alphanumeric characters will pass but I find special chars also get through
<Bish>
@obervers is a _instance_ variable of character, which has methods from Subject, but since it's the INSTANCEVARIABLE that is referenced, it will be of character
<leitz>
Which is what confuses me, because each instance of character, (al, wilbur), only has one observer. But list_observers on one character is showing two observers.
<Bish>
aesthe: well, the regex say "not alphanumeric"
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<aesthe>
Bish, is that what the nil part does?
<Bish>
aesthe: no the ^ inside the regex does that
<Bish>
[^x] does mean "not x"
<aesthe>
you're right I was looking at the wrong thing
<aesthe>
thanks
<Bish>
leitz: you're adding al as obersver of wilbur twice
<Bish>
is that intentional?
<Bish>
aesthe: im guessing this is from an if statement right?
<Bish>
it's just a trick to get the result of the regex match & check if it's available at all in one statement
<leitz>
Bish, now is the moment I smack my head and chuckle. No, adding Al twice is a result of too little coffee too early in the morning.
<Bish>
:)
<aesthe>
Yes I made it inside an if statement. I am trying to ensure special chars wont get through on a shell script I'm building.........If I create an arg without qoutes, ruby errors that there is no value for that switch. If I put qoutes, anything goes through
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<aesthe>
nope I'm wrong.....my exception handling is wrong.
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<Bish>
aesthe: there are no exceptions in ruby!
<Bish>
they're errors!
<Bish>
>:(
<Bish>
(im kidding, it's the same thing, but i like the naming better)
<aesthe>
haha kl
<aesthe>
I'll be hanging out here today
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<abc88>
Hi, is there a way with the ruby command to know if ruby was compiled for example with which regex engine, something to query that
<Bish>
ruby is compileable with multiple regex engines?
<abc88>
in 1.8 yes
<Bish>
ohshit, welcome to 2019 traveler
<abc88>
i know that just an example
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<abc88>
my question is, is there a way to query with what ruby was compiled
<Bish>
i always lived with the belief that ruby has it's own regex engine, has it not?
<Bish>
i don't see something regex-ish linked in dynamcially
<Bish>
Ruby 1.8, Ruby 1.9, and Ruby 2.0 and later versions use different engines; Ruby 1.9 integrates Oniguruma, Ruby 2.0 and later integrate Onigmo, a fork from Oniguruma.
<abc88>
Bish: ok thanks but the regex thing was just an example, my real question is: is there a way to get info of which feature was enabled during compilation
<Bish>
ah
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<Bish>
RbConfig::CONFIG["configure_args"]
<Bish>
&> RbConfig::CONFIG["configure_args"]
<rubydoc>
parser error at position 0 around `>'
<Bish>
> RbConfig::CONFIG["configure_args"]
<Bish>
>> RbConfig::CONFIG["configure_args"]
<Bish>
&>> RbConfig::CONFIG["configure_args"]
<Bish>
:(
<rubydoc>
# => " '--prefix=/usr' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--localstatedir=/var' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib'... check link for more (https://carc.in/#/r/81sp)
<abc88>
thanks
<Bish>
yeah!
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<abc88>
Bish: thanks awesome this is exactly what i was looking for!
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<Bish>
ablackack: my impressive google skills allowed me to do that
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<Bish>
i google "ruby compile flags"
<Bish>
ah, he left.
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<aesthe>
https://dpaste.de/yLDZ email validation - It is currently printing args without '@' and args with special chars. does this function look ok?
<havenwood>
And it wildly depends on what the challenge happens to be. Folk who've only done Ruby programming tend to bomb on recursion questions, for example. Java coders seem to have a tough time with string manipulation. A lot of the time it's just hoping that what they ask aligns with what you know.
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<ytti_>
Technodrome, i don't understan utility of such questions
<ytti_>
trying to trick your interviewee
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<ytti_>
motivation should be to try to get idea how they perform ideally
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<ytti_>
not how they goot hit/miss ratio they have on random problems you invented
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<ytti_>
amazon had terrific interview process in EU, bunch of calls with HR first, then on-site 8*1h chat with different groups of people related to your functions
<ytti_>
no one asked anything about of the blue
<ytti_>
only asked things like what you have done lately
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<ytti_>
and then zoomed in on some of those which was interesting to them
<ytti_>
and asked you to justify why you did this and that in that project
<ytti_>
i think that's so far the best way i've seen to probe into people's capacity
<ytti_>
put them in their comfort zone and ask them to explain about something they think they know about
<ytti_>
similarly, i feel i can gauge over dinner pretty well rough clue level of people
<ytti_>
just with friendly chat
<ytti_>
i may just feel so, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true
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<havenwood>
I've certainly seen interviewers who aren't accustomed to Ruby not believe that a terse solution actually covers the full problem description and then get frustrated when they realize it does work and pass the rest of the tests. >.> Yay, Ruby!
<havenwood>
Ruby is like enabling cheat mode on a C interview. :)
<Swyper>
true
<havenwood>
ytti_: that sounds more reasonable than most - but i've seen those style border on whiteboard hilarity too
<havenwood>
ytti_: I liked what I saw of GitHub's take on sharing a repo, handling the open tickets, then follow up pairing to add a feature or refactor.
<leftylink>
imagine my displeasure when finding out that a certain company didn't support interviewing in ruby
<havenwood>
leftylink: Wierd.
<leftylink>
considered telling them NOPE, NEXT
<havenwood>
leftylink: I usually see "language of your choice."
<havenwood>
I want to get better at assembly just to insist on it for interviews.
<Swyper>
lol
<Swyper>
I do coding interviews in Java with most companies
<Swyper>
just cause I know for sure they will allow it
<havenwood>
i've not done an interview where a lang was disallowed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<havenwood>
i guess i've done some where they insist on a lang
<havenwood>
nevermind
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<havenwood>
i just try to put those out of mind :P
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<mnemon>
ytti_: might be useful for evaluating problem solving skills, getting it right is often secondary
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<ytti_>
mnemon, problem is, you're dealing with humans, who have highly variant performance in any given situation
<ytti_>
mnemon, and interview is atypical situation
<ytti_>
mnemon, so you may ignore candidate which is superior in practical situation, but performs poorly in atypical situation
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<ytti_>
mnemon, going to comfort zone, by asking what they already know about, and to elaborate choices made there, i suspect, has higher probability of yielding useful output
<ytti_>
basically interviews tend to test how well person interviews
<ytti_>
high performance there means mobility out from your shop too :)
<mnemon>
asking about previous projects also doesn't tell anything about problem solving skills
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<mnemon>
yeah
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<ytti_>
19:51 < mnemon> asking about previous projects also doesn't tell anything about problem solving skills
<ytti_>
i think it does
<ytti_>
because there are lot of paths you can take the discussion
<ytti_>
ask why some decision was made
<ytti_>
and why some decision was not made, particularly
<ytti_>
forces to think something that candidate may have not thought at the time
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<ytti_>
but at any rate hiring/promoting is hard
<mnemon>
I've run into some people who had stellar CV's but were entirely incapable of solving problems in languages they had worked with for years without copypasta solution from stackoverflow. But yeah, I suppose it's possible to get some idea based on questions like that.
<mnemon>
(and could tell things like why some tech/solution was chosen etc.)
<ytti_>
sure lot of people have no discernible skills and succeed professionally for decades
<ytti_>
i'd say less than 10%, most are just there for the check with no particular passion/motivation to excel, just enough not to get fired
<ytti_>
which is not wrong either
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<Swyper>
I'm just a weak programmer
<ytti_>
which is why i always find it hilarious when position is justified in temporal terms
<ytti_>
'i've been doing this for 20 years'
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<Swyper>
like I'm just bad at coding ig I build cool stuff but lots of help from people better then me
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<ytti_>
i'm not particularly good at coding, but i understand the subject matter reasonably where i develope
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<ytti_>
which is big leg up compared to much more competent coders who don't have intuitive understanding of the the domain
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<Swyper>
ruby koans looks good but rn my energy is focused on passing school + making my project + learning rails
<Swyper>
not learning to test properly is going to bite me soon tho :P
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<leftylink>
hmm. there are some names that come up from time to time in this channel, and I might remember things like "I remember someone asked a question in this channel and that person prefers to learn by example instead of learn by unifying theorem" or something ... but I don't remember at all which names are associated with which traits
<leftylink>
so it is not really useful to remember these things if I don't remember the correct person
<leftylink>
since obviously I wouldn't want to ascribe a trait to the wrong individual
<Swyper>
fair
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<Swyper>
wdym by learning by unifying theorem leftylink?
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<leftylink>
actually I did have a specific example in mind for that one, though I may have misremembered the particular alternatives in play for the "prefers X over Y"
<leftylink>
2019-10-18 conversation
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<Swyper>
oh okay cool
<leftylink>
that's obviously not the only one
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<leftylink>
but that one came to mind when I was writing that up
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<Swyper>
I like learning by example, just rn my hands are full till dec 24th
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<leftylink>
even if I started remembering "now I know someone in this channel likes learning by example" I will now always question myself "uhhh was that swyper who preferred to learn by example or was it (some other person)"
<adam12>
swyper: Did you ever attend Software Niagara events?
<leftylink>
maybe I just have to take notes on all of you
<adam12>
swyper: I know someone at the MTO who works on the ops side.
<Swyper>
oh cool, I worked as a data scientist co-op
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<Swyper>
& nope never went to software Niagara events
<rubydoc>
parser error at position 0 around ` '
<Swyper>
adam12
<adam12>
swyper: I'm one of the organizers so I thought I might have met you. We run a monthly DevTricks event and an occasional DemoCamp.
<havenwood>
leftylink: I'd like to submit a data subject access request.
<adam12>
havenwood: did you make Rubyconf this year?
<Swyper>
adam12 that is really cool, wish I would have known about it when I was in St Catharines !
<havenwood>
adam12: Nope, and it would have been my 10th year in a row.
<adam12>
havenwood: Wild! :\
<havenwood>
adam12: I got busy and we're getting ready to move to a bigger place for the new Rubyist in the fam.
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<Swyper>
adam12 any cool ruby conferences in Toronto you go to?
<adam12>
swyper: Nothing Ruby specific. I have a regular consulting arrangement with a Toronto health startup and we're using Ruby here. I'm actually in Toronto today meeting with them.
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<Swyper>
that is cool
<Swyper>
I'm on king/spadina rn
<adam12>
swyper: I'm at 100 King. FCP.
<adam12>
swyper: Definitely check out the Startup North job board.
<adam12>
swyper: Ah :| That's a challenge I run into locally too when I try to place new grads. Some companies just don't have the framework in place for intern/co-op.
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<Swyper>
getting a job when I graduate is a whole other headache I will be dealing with shortly -_-
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<Swyper>
my biggest fear is getting the wrong job and being stuck in it
<Swyper>
ip-192-168-1-34:Rails_Toy_app rickyarora$ ruby-install --latest --install-dir ~/.rbenv/versions/2.6.3 ruby 2.6.3bash: ruby-install: command not found
<Swyper>
i have rbenv
<Swyper>
o-o
<havenwood>
swyper: you can install ruby-install via package manager or repo instructions. it's a different thing than rbenv, but would circumvent this ruby-build issue. (ruby-build, not ruby-install, is associated with rbenv.)
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<mgraf>
rbenv is really a second-rate citizen compared to rvm though.
<havenwood>
with chruby, rvm and rbenv you can just keep rotating to the next one when you hit a bug in the last one. ;P
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<mgraf>
ehhh, until you're fighting over your system ruby ;)
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<Technodrome>
ytti_ you know actually maybe they are right
<Technodrome>
basically by failing to properly do questions which involve data sets and combinations, and questions involving implementing a linkedlist and what not, maybe that shows that i didn't finish cs school
<Technodrome>
which would be a correct assumption
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<socomm>
I'm curious if theres a way to have a hash within a hash.