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<bougyman> You probably need to separate concerns.
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<bougyman> Like you said, you're taking on too much at once. Concentrate on a component at a time.
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<Swyper> fair
<Swyper> I just have a project I really want to do and that's why I'm getting impatient
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<adam12> Swyper: Where are you stuck?
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<Swyper> adam12: with my project?
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<adam12> Swyper: In general.
<adam12> Swyper: If the project is a personal interest, just start building it. Forget ceremony.
<Swyper> ah well I just don't know how to make a full stack web app and I feel like I'm spending so many hours learning parts of it instead of how to actually do it
<Swyper> yeah its a personal interest project, so pretty much I built a web scraper in node js that scrapes my universities websites and emails the student when course space is available
<Swyper> that part is done and works but now I want to scale it out and have a frontend and backend so students can say what course they want notifications for
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<Swyper> I think what I need is just a simple tutorial that shows you how how to make a full stack web app ideally w/rails
<adam12> Swyper: Define "full stack" for me.
<Swyper> frontend,backend,database
<Swyper> MVC style web app
<adam12> Swyper: I'm presuming you're not splitting the apps with some sort of Javascript SPA.
<Swyper> yeah I am not
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<adam12> Swyper: What kind of tutorials have you done so far?
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<Swyper> so App Academy made there fullstack cirriculum available online for free I was going through that but its just so long and they want you to know each component really really well
<Swyper> I kind of just want to get started by building stuff, experimenting etc so ideally I can find a full stack tutorial that's less then 30 hours in length which shows me how to do "just enough" to get me started
<adam12> I don't have any suggestions for content since my time with Rails and web dev goes much further back.
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<adam12> But I'd say just pick something _small_ and build it. Bonus points for being relevant.
<adam12> (relevant to you to keep your interest up)
<adam12> Keep the number of components small. Forget about user authentication. Forget about emailing. One form. One view. One model? Maybe 2 models. Build it. Style it. Love it. Ship it. Then work from there.
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<Swyper> https://github.com/RickArora/Ruby-Games + https://github.com/RickArora/Ruby-Syntax I've done so much tutorials on ruby I am sick of it. lol
<adam12> Maybe just forget about the tutorials? Once you start coding, you'll have problems. One problem after another. You work the problem.
<adam12> Let's say you're building a guestbook. We'll call it the End of Year at $YOUR_UNIVERSITY guestbook.
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<adam12> Talking Rails: 1 View. 1 Model. 1 Controller. View includes HTML for showing the guest book comments, and a form to add one. Model stores the guestbook entries. Controller is the slightly hard part since it has a few more bits but nothing unachievable.
<havenwood> Swyper: +1 for picking a project of small scope and hacking at it, getting feedback, and iterating until you're really happy with the code.
<havenwood> Swyper: if a pull project seems overwhelming, maybe start with exposing one of your tutorials as an API or webapp with Roda.
<Swyper> what is a pull project? havenwood
<havenwood> Swyper: You might also consider starting with testing - sooner rather than later, just to speed up ability to iterate.
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<havenwood> Swyper: a typo! i meant "full" not "pull"
<Swyper> adam12: fair, should I just google how to start a rails app to get started on this
<Swyper> ah okay
<havenwood> (those keys aren't close together. unsure what my brain was thinking. sound alike?)
<havenwood> Swyper: For example, you could fill in these tests and make this method work: https://gist.github.com/havenwood/c4c0e6f4ee798ab4359b63023eb88dbd
<havenwood> Swyper: Then make a little Roda app to expose ingredient checks as an API service.
<havenwood> Swyper: Then make a web frontend for the API you wrote. Or something like that. That might be a nice bridge to a project from scratch.
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<havenwood> Swyper: TIMTOWTDI. If you prefer to go straight to making guestbook, that's fine too!
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<havenwood> Swyper: Typically each attempt gets you closer to proficiency.
<Swyper> I think going straight to it would be fun for me xD
<adam12> Swyper: I mean, you can start with Rails, or just as easily start with Roda. The only place I _caution_ you is that Roda doesn't give you some things for free. Fine for your first project but you'd want to learn a few security bits before anything production.
<havenwood> Swyper: I think you'd find getting up to speed with basic tests and exposing it as an API wouldn't take you too long. If you prefer diving in the deep end, the water is nice there too.
<adam12> Swyper: I'm a huge fan of Roda and it exposes more obvious parts. But there's a ton missing that Rails sorts for you.
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<adam12> Especially since havenwood hasn't seen my roda-enhanced_logger project yet O_o
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<havenwood> adam12: Ooh, I like the sound of that. :)
<adam12> havenwood: It's sweet but still a WIP. I'm doing that thing with the thing where you poke through caller_locations so I haven't shipped it yet but it seems to be working well where I need it.
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<guardian> hello, what ruby book would you recommend nowadays?
<guardian> oh didn't see the topic, is it up to date?
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<Iambchop> guardian: I'd say it's still a good list
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<guardian> k
<guardian> thanks
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<havenwood> We should migrate the book list gist into the community page. :)
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<whathappens> hi
<al2o3-cr> o/
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<havenwood> g'mornin'
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<Swyper> morning
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<Swyper> im so excited to finally work on my project :D
<Swyper> finally found a nice tutorial that dosen't take forever to do
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<adam12> Swyper: Build it!
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<Intelo> How to allow CORS but only if the origin ends with '.site.com'
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<al2o3-cr> &>> Array.new(3, []) { |o| o }
<rubydoc> # => [0, 1, 2] stderr: -e:4: warning: block supersedes default value argument (https://carc.in/#/r/81bd)
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