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<rb-new>
i have install ruby in my ubuntu
<rb-new>
i don't now where i write it?
<rb-new>
how to begin it?
<rb-new>
please give me some simple code
<sam113101>
what?
<Senjai>
what?
<xibalba>
in the butt!
<rb-new>
how to begin ruby in ubuntu?
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<sam113101>
ruby test.rb
<sam113101>
here you go
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<rb-new>
no such file or directory
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<rb-new>
i'm not yet write code
* xibalba
face palms
<Senjai>
rb-new: is english your first language
<rb-new>
now, i'm open gedit blank file. what i must write in this empty file?
<xibalba>
rb-new: puts "hello world"
<rb-new>
senjai.english not my first english
<apeiros>
xibalba: re 'in the butt!' - please stay civil. thanks.
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<rb-new>
senjai.i'm sorry about my english
<rb-new>
xibalba.i will try write it,
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<rb-new>
xibalba. i have been write puts "hello world" .then?
<xibalba>
then save it to a file
<xibalba>
type on command line : "ruby _file_name_"
<rb-new>
ok
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<rb-new>
yes. its show that string.
<rb-new>
its good sir
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<xibalba>
congratualations, your first ruby app
<rb-new>
yes, sir.
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<rb-new>
data type, using declaration?
<rb-new>
xibalba. data type, using declaration?
<xibalba>
now you're on your own buddy
<xibalba>
buy a book, search google
<sam113101>
rb-new: what's your first language?
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<rb-new>
pasif english
<rb-new>
sir, can give me one reason why we learn ruby?
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<rb-new>
caused ,as we know that many languages of programmer
<ravster>
I'm using emacs, and I'm able to get the correct indentation when I'm on a line and press TAB. But when I select a bunch of lines and hit TAB it doesn't work. Is there something special I need to do to my ruby-mode that other users do?
<sam113101>
rb-new: what's pasif English? lol
<sam113101>
do you know French, Spanish, German or something?
<kinginky>
hey everyone. doing a project for a client. it requires i run several instances of the application i built. they all have to be run under their own user (ubuntu). i am trying to use god to monitor the processes, but get errors about Gemfile not found, etc. i've tried a system-wide ruby installation and `sudo god` as well as `rvmsudo god` and `rvmsudo bundle exec god`, but all of them fail to function for one reason or another
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<kinginky>
any ideas on how i could do this?
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<rb-new>
i'm using alphabet before,
<kinginky>
let me gist my Godfile, too
<rb-new>
for now want to learn ruby
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<sam113101>
oh boy
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<dopie>
hey all
<dopie>
how do i list a filename.to_s ?
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<Tobarja>
what would be the most natural way to `return` a string like this from a method? "#{self.begin}#{self.exclude_end? ? '...' : '..'}#{self.end}"
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<Tobarja>
or, if you saw that as the entirety of a method, would you barf? :D
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<buzzybron>
hi i did a gem env on my local machine
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<buzzybron>
and the are two gem paths printed, how do i edit the 2nd gem path?
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<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
what language shall I combine with ruby?
<Zeeraw>
Depends...
<buzzybron>
combine?
<shevy>
yeah, like ruby + java
<Zeeraw>
Also, yeah, what exactly do you mean with combine?
<shevy>
but I hate java so that is difficult
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<Zeeraw>
Still, what do you mean with combine?
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<shevy>
well, I could combine ruby with cobol but that would not seem too useful and I have only limited time, yet I feel as if I don't learn too much in ruby anymore
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<Zeeraw>
My question stands.
<buzzybron>
lol
<shevy>
can you just answer?
* Zelest
got something else that stands... :D
<shevy>
omg...
<Zelest>
*ahem*
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<shevy>
Tobarja it is very unusual to use lots of "self." within your class
<Zeeraw>
Wel shevy, what exactly do you mean by combine languages?
<shevy>
"#{self.begin}#{self.exclude_end? " hmmm
<Zeeraw>
For education?
<shevy>
Zeeraw something that I would learn next, but where the time spent learning it is useful
<Zeeraw>
JavaScript.
<shevy>
if I would learn cobol, I dont think it would be worth the tradeoff of learning it (hours spent?)
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<Zeeraw>
JS is not very fun, but it's very useful.
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<Zeeraw>
And if you're building actual things with ruby, you're most likely going to run in to quite a lot of JavaScript.
<shevy>
I was afraid of such an answer :(
<shevy>
I hate javascript too... not as much as java though
<Zeeraw>
You could also go learn some C.
<Zeeraw>
It's always good to know how things work closer to the metal.
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<buzzybron>
whats the convo about
<buzzybron>
i'm lost, what is this combine languages
<Zeeraw>
About what language he should "learn next"
<buzzybron>
ah
<Zeeraw>
combine is the wrong word.
<buzzybron>
i see
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<buzzybron>
javascript is kinda fun
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<buzzybron>
python
<hoelzro>
(vote for C)++
<buzzybron>
or some more diff
<buzzybron>
c#
<buzzybron>
java, c, obj c
<Zeeraw>
Actually
<buzzybron>
oh i think obj c is cool
<Zeeraw>
Objective-C
<Zeeraw>
Go
<hoelzro>
Go is...interesting.
<buzzybron>
haven't tried go though
<buzzybron>
i see it similer to python / ruby?
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<hoelzro>
Go is a statically typed language with a very pythonic feel (imo)
<buzzybron>
so static typed python? lol
<nightfly>
I often get the feeling that when people say "pythonic" they mean "sane".
<hoelzro>
hmm
<hoelzro>
that's not what I mean when I say it =)
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<shevy>
hehe
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<hoelzro>
I think I may need to try Subtle WM
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<hoelzro>
Awesome's config breakage pisses me off too much
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<shevy>
hoelzro that is good isn't it? I mean that you take subtle... it's written in ruby, so it should be better
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<hoelzro>
I don't think that it being written in Ruby guarantees quality...
<hoelzro>
the only problem I have with Awesome is that they break configs so often
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<shevy>
Zeeraw I think I'll indeed go with javascript... I dont like it at all, but I find myself constantly use websites, and my whole local knowledgebase is written in ruby and also makes use of www
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<joshu>
hi
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<bobdobbs>
I'm running ruby on linux, so I can use sass from the command line. I recently reinstalled ruby. Now, when I issue the commend 'sass', I get " bad interpreter: /usr/bin/ruby1.8: no such file or directory"
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<bobdobbs>
however, if I type 'ruby --version' from the commandline, I get the version.
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<bobdobbs>
How do I tell sass where the ruby binary is?
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<pagios>
hello community, trying to adjust time using ntpdate executed from ruby: fork do `/usr/sbin/ntpdate -s ntp.ubuntu.com` end ; is not changing time any idea? from command line it works fine
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<shevy>
bobdobbs you probably use debian
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<shevy>
bobdobbs one fix would be to symlink ruby1.8. to ruby
<bobdobbs>
could to
<bobdobbs>
but that's a dirty
<shevy>
yes
<bobdobbs>
dirty fix
<shevy>
perhaps the sass author is a noob
<bobdobbs>
yeah?
<shevy>
if the ruby1.8 is hardcoded, yes
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<bobdobbs>
(not that I disagree)
<shevy>
if it was somehow autogenerated then it may not be the fault of the author
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<bobdobbs>
oh fuck, it is
<shevy>
what OS do you use?
<bobdobbs>
I'm looking at the top of the sass binary now
<bobdobbs>
first line #!/usr/bin/ruby1.8
<shevy>
hehe
<bobdobbs>
*facepalm*
<shevy>
lemme see for myself too ...
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<shevy>
hmm no
<bobdobbs>
no?
<shevy>
I had it generate for me
<bobdobbs>
what are you seeing?
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<shevy>
and my shebang is: /Programs/Ruby/1.8.7p370/bin/ruby
<shevy>
which is the correct one for my system, the name of the file in question is "sass"
<bobdobbs>
damnit, I can't remember how I installed sass
<shevy>
I am very sure that this is auto-generated on your system
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<shevy>
I did "gem install sass"
<bobdobbs>
oh yeah. that's how I did it
<shevy>
sass version sass-3.2.9
<bobdobbs>
maybe I did that before I ripped out ruby and reinstalled it.
<bobdobbs>
damn
<bobdobbs>
wait
<bobdobbs>
I think I updated my gems after I reinstalled ruby
<shevy>
updated how?
<shevy>
debian modified gems
<bobdobbs>
fuuuuuuuu
<bobdobbs>
can't remember how.
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<bobdobbs>
I only know just enough ruby to get sass running
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<pagios>
is this a correct way of running this command d ? `/usr/sbin/ntpdate -s ntp.ubuntu.com &> /tmp/ntp.log` or need to use some " " ?
<shevy>
you always need to have a very clear path ahead, it can be a problem if you mix different ruby versions, different locations, different package managers etc...
<bobdobbs>
but I shouldn't be using a debian version of gems, cos I'm using rbenv
<shevy>
don't know the command ntpdate at all
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<shevy>
aha perhaps you have several ruby versions bobdobbs
<shevy>
and one gave back /usr/bin/ruby1.8 based on some wrong check
<bobdobbs>
shevy: I'm pretty sure I ripped out everything before I installed via rbenv
<shevy>
not sure, there is also /var/lib on debian-based systems
<shevy>
and /usr/local/*
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<bobdobbs>
using ruby2.0, how should I update my gems?
<shevy>
that depends on how you installed it
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<bobdobbs>
hmmm
<shevy>
I compile everything from source. I usually compile the latest, then check for the gem version in use, and go to rubygems if I must download a new version
<shevy>
rubygems.org/pages/download
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<bobdobbs>
hmmm
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<pagios>
ok saw source of problem: Error resolving ntp.ubuntu.com: Name or service not known (-2)
<pagios>
even though i am setting up an ip and a namserver before that line
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<pagios>
ping ntp.ubuntu.com works fine from command lein
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<bobdobbs>
ok... thinking what my next step is...
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<bobdobbs>
well... 'gem update' appears to be doing something
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<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
russian roulette
<bobdobbs>
yeah?
<bobdobbs>
what am I risking?
<shevy>
dunno, let's wait and see what happens :D
<bobdobbs>
damn. sass still wants the old version of ruby
<bobdobbs>
this makes me sad
<shevy>
a warrior must walk fearlessly into a battle
<bobdobbs>
hehe
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<shevy>
well
<bobdobbs>
this warrior will soon lose his remaining hair
<ChristianS>
shevy: and die
<shevy>
try to find out what "ruby" versions you all have on your system
<shevy>
find / -name ruby
<bobdobbs>
I'm pretty sure I've just got 2.0
<shevy>
should work
<bobdobbs>
ok
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<shevy>
no I mean, all "ruby" pointers
<shevy>
you probably have at least one in your HOME directory
<shevy>
and perhaps you have more than one gem version
<bobdobbs>
hmmmm
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<shevy>
on debian, one may have gem and gem1.8, and sometimes even symlinks into /etc/alternatives/
<bobdobbs>
I'm not doing ruby the debian/ubuntu way
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<bobdobbs>
too much breakage
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<bobdobbs>
too many tears
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<bobdobbs>
hmmmm
<k610>
ruby doesn't find a gem when i require a file that requires a gem
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<bobdobbs>
well, apparently I've got a metasploit install that I'd forgotten about
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<bobdobbs>
oh fuck
<bobdobbs>
the ruby executably is being called from a directory called .rvm
<bobdobbs>
damn
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<bobdobbs>
I thought I'd torn out rvm
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<bobdobbs>
but apart from the install in my metasploit directory, it's the only ruby executable that I can see.
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<bobdobbs>
fuck this confusing shit. I'll just use a symlink
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<k610>
is it possible that i cannot use require 'agem' once i am using bundler ?
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<r0bglees0n>
wouldn't it be awesome if you could say git.develop.klass.ancestors - git.master.klass.ancestors
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<r0bglees0n>
k610: yup, it is, you can only use gems & their dependencies declared in your gemfile after bundler has been setup.
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<k610>
sry some answered me and my client got killed + irclogger doesn't have #ruby
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<sheeny>
Hi everyone how do I set my ruby version? Im using rbenv and have just installed ruby 2.0.0-p195
<sheeny>
csheen~$ rbenv version 2.0.0-p195 (set by /Users/csheen/.rbenv/version)
<sheeny>
Spooner: I have done that, and I did rbenv rehash
<sheeny>
but ruby -v still says 1.9.2
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<pagios>
question, how can i overwrite the last 8 lines of a file? test_lines[-1] overwrites the last tine, burt test_lines[-8] does not overwrite it actually appends
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<pagios>
line*
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<Spooner>
pagios, test_lines[-8..-1] = whatever
<pagios>
lovely
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<pagios>
Files do not need to be closed in ruby right
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<Spooner>
They don't if you open them with a block/.
<Spooner>
e.g. File.open("bleh.txt") {|f| } # Is auto-closed for you.
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<Spooner>
f = File.open("bleh.txt") isn't auto-closed. You need to actually f.close yourself.
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<Spooner>
pagios, Odd, it works fine for me.
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<pagios>
/var/www/myapp.rb:73:in `[]=': -8..-1 out of range (RangeError)
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<pagios>
ignore it
<Spooner>
Yeah, if the file is too short, it will fail ;)
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<Spooner>
Or rather, the Array is too small.
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<slava_dp>
hey, what's the actual point in having both proc and lambda, apart from some subtle differences?
<Spooner>
joshu, Sure you can't just modify the original mail's from and to and deliver it?
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<joshu>
Spooner I'm not sure..been experimenting with say @mail.to = "new address" which when I do @mail.to_s show's the new TO but not sure about delivering it after that
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<joshu>
brb
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<Spooner>
I am just guessing. I've only used Pony before (which wraps Mail, I think).
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<qkdt>
Hello i just started ruby and i stumbled upon this: x = { "a" => 1, "b" => 2, "c" => 3 } p x.keys
<apeiros_>
`p obj` does what `puts obj.inspect` does
<apeiros_>
see Kernel#p
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<qkdt>
thank you
<ericwood>
you're welcome
<maasha>
I need to sort a list of files according to the numerical part when the filenames are part text part numerical. I was thinking Schwartzian transformation, but surely ruby have something easier?
<qkdt>
i was confused because x.keys works aswell in irb
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<joshu>
ok Spooner I'm back
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<apeiros_>
maasha: hm, reminds me that I still have not published that branch in my sorting gem which provides natural sorting
<apeiros_>
(which does exactly that)
<maasha>
apeiros_: I think a saw yours at some point :o)
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<apeiros_>
hm, didn't even push it to github
<apeiros_>
well, won't get it done anytime soon, sorry
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<aedorn>
bonjour
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<joonty>
a question
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<joonty>
would you consider the following to be good or bad practice for initializing an array and populating with a single element?
<joonty>
`numbers = [] << 3`
<clocKwize>
why not numbers = [3]
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<clocKwize>
joonty:
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<joonty>
clocKwize: because i'm an idiot
<joonty>
thanks
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<clocKwize>
lol =]
<joonty>
thought i was doing something wrong :P
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<clocKwize>
heh
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<aedorn>
I'm not sure how to deal with a manager misrepresenting, on purpose, a product that I built. He doesn't like this particular client we're doing it for, but I feel like him telling them that something works differently than what it really does that it's misrepresenting myself as a developer.
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<canton7>
Who's on the line if the client finds out? If it's you, make a fuss. If it's your manager, you can complain to the manager but don't mention a word to the client. That's my view :P
<Todd>
Stake holders shield developers where I work
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<Todd>
At the end of the day you just need to recognize that developers rarely own the code they write.
<Todd>
Took me a long time to learn that.
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<Todd>
To learn how to not be personally invested in what I do was tough.
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<aedorn>
hmmm.. not be personally invested. I don't know how to do that, either. ;)
<Todd>
Work a ticket. Release a ticket. Grab a new ticket.
<canton7>
Yeah, you're trying to sheild your career. If you're worried, make sure our views are in writing, but keep them internal.
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<aedorn>
I think if I were to remove my vested interest, and let management be the "shield", as it were, and be responsible for when someone finds out things aren't the way he says they are, it would reflect badly upon me for future endeavors. I don't know, though.
<aedorn>
I'm new to business politics on this side of the fence.
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<aedorn>
I also think I'm more worried about it than normal because the client is a rather prominent name in the world.
<Todd>
Big companies are crud. You can stretch and yell and scream that something is wrong but PO's, PM's and VP's ultimately make their own decisions.
<Todd>
And typically (depending on the structure) they get the blame for things.
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<Todd>
As long as you tell them that what they're saying is wrong they can't then point the finger at you.
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<canton7>
You can sheild yourself by putting your thoughts in writing to your manager's manager
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<Todd>
^^ agreed
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<canton7>
(worded appropriately so it doesn't sound like you're trying to blame your manager)
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<aedorn>
I thought about that, but then I'm worried that my manager would find out and take it the wrong way. He's a very .... angry person.
<aedorn>
He hasn't exactly done me wrong, though, not up until this point.
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<aedorn>
He's going as far as to make sure I'm out of town when the client comes for onsite acceptance testing. Since I'm a terrible liar. I answer questions impulsively honest - apparently that's not good for business!
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<canton7>
have you told him you think he's misrepresenting the product? (in appropriate language)
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<canton7>
yeah, he's right there :P
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<aedorn>
canton7: I have, yep. Luckily I managed to tell him privately and not while I listened to him say it on a conference call. Good thing I wasn't near my desk to unmute my phone...
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<canton7>
cool, then you're not going behind him. you can cc him on your email, and make it completely clear you're just covering yourself, and don't necessarily disagree with his approach
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<aedorn>
hmmm, let me ponder that approach some. Either way, good all around advice guys. Thanks! Glad the first response wasn't just "find a new job"
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<blessYAHU>
Anyone know how to use rake to run mocha.js/casper.js tests?
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<k610>
can i stop rackup to do Bundle.require my Gemfile ?
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<apeiros_>
mv Gemfile NotAGemfile
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<k610>
then i can't do regular bundle install ; bundle update
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<apeiros_>
maybe you should decide first whether you want or don't want a Gemfile?
<k610>
i choose to drop Bundle.require in favor of Bundle.setup + requires but this one of the issues i ran into
<apeiros_>
ah. your issue isn't that it uses bundler, but that it uses Bundle.require. I see.
<apeiros_>
don't know
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<k610>
let say i have some classes that i need from multiple sinatra apps what would be the best way to use those classes from all my sinatra apps ? require '/abs/path/to/my.rb' in each ?
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<sobering>
I was just wondering if I could get your opinions on that method of authnetication. I'm a bit naiive when it comes to this thing. Like I mentioned, it's my first app so I don't have experience under my belt.
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<havenwood>
sobering: You are hardcoding the usernames and passwords?
<havenwood>
sobering: People don't set their own, they are determined ahead of time?
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<sobering>
Yeah, it's not a multi user app. It's a single user application so registration isn't required
<sobering>
The only user is me.
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<jlundy>
shevy: sorry got called away to a meeting
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<banister`sleep>
anyone here speak fluent chinese?
<jlundy>
thanks for the answers folks
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<aedorn>
hmmm.. github is failing me today
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<jkline_>
I have multiple versions of rake installed with rvm. How can I select which version I want as default?
<pr0ton>
hey guys i needed some help with the HTTPClient gem. I guess somebody of you used it, I wanted a curl style verbose debug logging (which prints out the request and response as it happens). How do i do that?
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<havenwood>
jkline_: rvm --default use
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<LiquidInsect>
jkline: you're using rbenv or rvm or soemthing similar, I assume?
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<jkline>
LiquidInsect: I am using rvm, and I'm a noob. I've been having a problem (stack trace after failed test) with rake 10.0.4, which my research suggested was fixed in the latest beta, so I `gem install --version "=10.1.0.beta.3" rake`
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<jkline>
now rake --version is 10.1.0.beta.3 like I expect, except in the directory for the gem I am trying to test (and experienced the bug), where it is still 10.0.4. Doh
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<LiquidInsect>
right. So, rvm sets a ruby version per project (per directory or whereenver it finds a .ruby-version file
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<jkline>
LiquidInsect: I don't think I have a .ruby-version file
<LiquidInsect>
rvm can also use something called gemsets, which are a set of gems that are visible to the current ruby you're using
<LiquidInsect>
jkline: .rvmrc maybe?
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<LiquidInsect>
it's been a while since I used rvm, I don't know what all it uses
<Sou|cutter>
it can use either
<jkline>
I don't think I have a .rvmrc
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<LiquidInsect>
but 'rvm info' should tell you which ruby and gemset you're using currently
<jkline>
I have two gemsets (d efault) and global
<Sou|cutter>
either .rvmrc or the combo of .ruby-version and .ruby-gemset
<LiquidInsect>
and that will probably be different in each of the directories you're talking about
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<LiquidInsect>
if it finds no .rvmrc or .ruby-version in the CWD, it'll go up the directory stack until it finds one
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<jkline>
ok, i'll search my home directory for .rvmrc files, but I don't think I have any.
<LiquidInsect>
don't bother with that, use 'rvm info'
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<jkline>
rvm info is the same in both the "good rake version" and "bad rake version" directories
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<jkline>
only diff is the "updated" seconds
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<LiquidInsect>
and what does it say?
<Sou|cutter>
is your test using bundler somehow, and does bundler specify the older version of rake?
<LiquidInsect>
Sou|cutter: good point, but wouldn't that require using 'bundle exec'?
<LiquidInsect>
unless he has some OTHER thing that sidesteps that
<LiquidInsect>
I know there's a few of those out there
<jkline>
Sou|cutter: yes, I am using Bundler,
* Sou|cutter
nods to LiquidInsect
<LiquidInsect>
jkline: aha
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<LiquidInsect>
so check your Gemfile and Gemfile.lock in each project
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<LiquidInsect>
and look at which versions of rake are defined
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<jkline>
LiquidInsect: yes, that is it. I did not know that Gemfile.lock was there, will update it.
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<LiquidInsect>
Set the version of rake that you want in Gemfile and then 'bundle update rake
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<LiquidInsect>
Gemfile.lock is automatically generated, it's not meant to be messed with
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<jkline>
Gemfile has only source line, and then "gemspec"
<jkline>
my .gemspec file has spec.add_development_dependency "rake" with no version
<jkline>
I guess I'll put one
<LiquidInsect>
remove it from the gemspec file, your development dependencies should be in the Gemfile
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<LiquidInsect>
in a group named development
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<LiquidInsect>
if you're going to use bundler, go all in
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<jkline>
what about run time dependencies?
<LiquidInsect>
should be in the default group
<jkline>
and what does "all in" for Bundler imply?
<LiquidInsect>
(which is to say in no group)
<LiquidInsect>
I just mean, if you're going to use bundler, list your dependencies in the Gemfile
<LiquidInsect>
not elsewhere
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<LiquidInsect>
it's confusing to others working on your project. Obviously you can do whatever you want, but this is how most projects are set up
<LiquidInsect>
but short solution is to list the version of rake you want whereever you're requiring it
<jkline>
My goal is to create a gem and then an rpm from the gem. I don't need all the dependencies bundled into the same file, because each gem will have its own rpm. I don't understand the pros and cons of using a gemspec file vs a Gemfile. Can you please explain or recommend a document?
<LiquidInsect>
bundler wouldn't do that anyway...
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<jlundy>
has the tutorial if you want to see the full class
<jlundy>
Operator Overloading section
<Morrolan>
Did you define the accessors?
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<Morrolan>
If yes - paste your code on one of the many pastebins. :)
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<jlundy>
nope I didnt define an accessor
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<jlundy>
the code claims it should work as is. I would have expected "other.width" to get the width value from the second object
<Morrolan>
Then the code there is probably at fault. You can use 'attr_reader :width, :height' to define read-only accessors, 'attr_writer :width, height' for write-only accessors, or 'attr_accessor :width, :height' for read- and write-accessors.
<Morrolan>
(You could also define Box#width, Box#width= etc. yourself, but why do that if there's a convenient shortcut. :) )
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<jlundy>
Morrolan: thanks. I will look up attr_reader
<jlundy>
<-- total ruby noob
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<jlundy>
created getWidth and getHeight methods and changed his other.width and other.height to use those instead and this makes much more sense now
<jlundy>
thanks. :)
<Morrolan>
That'll work too. :)
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<Morrolan>
Though in Ruby most people will simply use 'height' and 'height=' for their accessor methods.
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<sa1k0>
a = false
<sa1k0>
is a considered a string?
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<TTilus>
lectrick: yes, it never got anywhere
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<TTilus>
sa1k0: ruby is dynamically typed
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<TTilus>
sa1k0: variable (here "a") is mere pointer to value with no type information, value has the type information
<TTilus>
sa1k0: >> false.class
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<TTilus>
=> FalseClass
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<sa1k0>
hmm
<sa1k0>
Thanks dude
<TTilus>
qkdt: respond_to is a method call
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<qkdt>
TTilus a method from a class? and also what is |format| in that context?
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<TTilus>
qkdt: a method in the context the code resides
<qkdt>
oh
<TTilus>
s/resides/is executed/
<TTilus>
qkdt: looks like rails controller stuff
<qkdt>
yes i wanted to learn rails but demoted myself to just ruby
<qkdt>
because of these things i can't seem to understand xD
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<TTilus>
qkdt: respond_to is an instance method of rails controller class
<qkdt>
and what about |format|
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<TTilus>
qkdt: do ... end is a block, which is a closure, you can think of it as unnamed function
<TTilus>
qkdt: |format| is the parameter list of that function
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<qkdt>
soof the respond_to
<qkdt>
yea it starts to make sense
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<TTilus>
qkdt: so the unnamed function given to respond_to as parameter, takes one parameter
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<TTilus>
qkdt: are you familiar with other languages?
<qkdt>
just python
<qkdt>
and a lil bit of C
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<qkdt>
so |format| is given to respond_to when the anonymous block reaches end?
<randomlogin>
maybe someone can help me: performing a tls handshake i receive that error:
<randomlogin>
"SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server hello A: unexpected record (OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError)"
<randomlogin>
what does it mean?
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<jkline>
qkdt: |format| is the parameter to the unnamed function block
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<jkline>
when you pass a block to a function or method you are requested a callback. The function or method, in this case respond_to, will execute your block. Sometimes more than once.
<jkline>
when it calls your block it can pass in arguments just like a normal function, and those arguments are named inside the pipes
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<qkdt>
jkline i think i understand now, i also red about blocks in a book
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<qkdt>
i will have to go throw it and read about it again because i didn't understand it properly
<qkdt>
thank you for explanation
<jkline>
that happens to me too :)
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<TTilus>
qkdt: blocks are nice syntax for passing anonymous functions as parameter
<TTilus>
qkdt: ruby has lambda too, in python you would use lambdas and inner functions to achieve things that are done with blocks in ruby
<qkdt>
i see
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<TTilus>
qkdt: and when you see keyword "yield", thats how you call the anonymous function which you have received as a parameter
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<qkdt>
yea that is the easy way
<TTilus>
qkdt: you see, ruby allows you to omit block parameter from method parameter list
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<qkdt>
there is also another way to call the anonymous function
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<TTilus>
qkdt: you can do either def foo; yield; end, or def foo(&block); block.call; end
<qkdt>
exactly
<TTilus>
they are basically the same thing
<qkdt>
yea i wish the books would explain the things i just found out here
<qkdt>
like the fact that |format| for example is just a parameter passed to the anonymous function from the respond_to method
<TTilus>
now there is in fact three ways :)
<qkdt>
xD
<TTilus>
yield, #call and #()
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<TTilus>
and new stabby lambda syntax
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<TTilus>
->{ 1+1 }.()
<qkdt>
i never fully understood lambdas xD
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<qkdt>
maybe some day
<TTilus>
that ->{ 1+1 } is a function that does not take any arguments, calculates 1+1 and returns the result
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<TTilus>
the .() calls the function
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<qkdt>
yea it's the second type of block the one which is mostly used for one line code xD
<qkdt>
of course that's not the real reason
<qkdt>
it's because it has higher precedence then the do end block
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<TTilus>
there is a difference, { } is a block, ->{ } is lambda
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<qkdt>
oh
<qkdt>
i didn't notice the ->
<TTilus>
that -> is why its called "stabby" ;)
<qkdt>
xD indeed
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<lectrick>
TTilus: Nice, you wrote that eh
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<TTilus>
lectrick: looooong time ago
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<lectrick>
Point 2: What if Ruby had C-compiled versions of immutable collection classes such as that implemented by Hamster in pure Ruby?
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<lectrick>
Point 3: If I override []=, why can't I return whatever I want? Why does Ruby force the assigned value to be returned even if I return something different?
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<TTilus>
lectrick: it is an invariant in ruby that assignments return rhs
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<TTilus>
lectrick: plain design decision
<lectrick>
TTilus: I guess that makes sense given that I can't override pure assignment
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<lectrick>
Although that could be pretty powerful
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<TTilus>
lectrick: what would the default implementation of that look like?
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<TTilus>
lectrick: class Object; def =(rhs); ...; end; end
<lectrick>
it is just odd that I can override []= but it doesn't matter what I return, even though that is a method invocation
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<TTilus>
lectrick: i assume you are aware of the fundamental difference between "pure assignment" and []=
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<jkline>
TTilus: I am not. what is the difference?
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<TTilus>
lectrick: it is balancing between surprising method writer by not passing return value and surprising method user by returning something totally unrelated from an expression that looks like an assignment
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<TTilus>
lectrick: surprising method writer was selected to be the least surprise
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<TTilus>
jkline: a = 1 binds value 1 to name a, it is a core language level construct
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<TTilus>
jkline: a.b = 1 is syntactic sugar for a.b=(1) which is just another method call
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<workmad3>
nightfly: well, you can call 'binding' which gives you an object sort of like that
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<jkline>
so if a is an object then a = 1 does not call the function = on a?
<banister`sleep>
there is no '=' function in ruby
<jkline>
method?
<banister`sleep>
no
<jkline>
" a.b = 1 is syntactic sugar for a.b=(1) which is just another method call" ?
<banister`sleep>
no
<jkline>
what am I missing?
<banister`sleep>
it's just syntax
<banister`sleep>
it happens at a lower level that method/function invocation
<banister`sleep>
it's like in C
<TTilus>
the difference between a = 1 and a.b = 1
<jkline>
a.b = 1 means "set the value of a.b" right?
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<jkline>
so like: teacher.name=TTilus
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<jkline>
so teacher.name is a String
<banister`sleep>
jkline: yeah, in that case it is, but that's the b= method, not a raw '='
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<jkline>
aaaah
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<TTilus>
jkline: but "teacher.name" is not variable name
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<jkline>
ok, see.
<TTilus>
jkline: ruby sees teacher.name=(TTilus)
<workmad3>
jkline: a.b = c is different from a = c
<jkline>
ok, got it.
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<TTilus>
jkline: where "teacher" and "TTilus" are var names and "name=" method name
<jkline>
you're calling a setter function that happens to have the name "name=" instead of something like "setName" that you might use in some other language
<workmad3>
jkline: pretty much, yes
<jkline>
ok
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<jkline>
now I have to go learn mocks
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<sqa_bm_>
How can I display screen shots for test reporting using rspec formatter? The general rspec formatter does not support screen shot display.
<joshu>
i have a silly question well maybe it's not silly but here goes. is there a relatively easy way to have let's say a template pdf file which gets populated at specific parts by user input.
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<joshu>
For instance the simplest example is a pdf file with one line of text which reads "Hello <name>" <name> is populated all by ruby?
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<workmad3>
joshu: no, but you can use Prawn to generate a pdf file with ruby
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<joshu>
workmad3 would i be able to have a pdf template with prawn and add to it?
<joshu>
workmad3 thinking of a cover page type of thing
<workmad3>
joshu: pdf isn't really something you can 'template' in the sense of having a file and inserting strings into it
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<joshu>
workmad3 ok so prawn would be creating a pdf from scratch
<workmad3>
joshu: yeah
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<workmad3>
joshu: you could, I suppose, consider your file that generates the pdf with prawn as a 'template'
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<workmad3>
joshu: but it's not quite correct to think that way
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<joshu>
workmad3 you mean say the ruby script would have some type of "template" block or similar
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<joshu>
workmad3 not really a template but i see what you mean
<joshu>
hmm
<workmad3>
joshu: no, the ruby script would contain the structure you want to build
<workmad3>
joshu: using the prawn dsl
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<joshu>
workmad3 yeah that's sort of what i meant
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<apeiros_>
you can also use webkit to convert html to pdf
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<apeiros_>
there's a ruby binding for a headless webkit to do that
<apeiros_>
@ joshu & workmad
<workmad3>
joshu: the issue with attempting to simply 'template' pdf is that the final file contains a lot of layout information which is dependent on the length of strings, the font, etc
<apeiros_>
sadly webkit still does not support a couple of print-relevant css features
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<workmad3>
apeiros_: I believe you don't get as much control over the output with that though ;)
<apeiros_>
depends
<workmad3>
apeiros_: it's more like a 'here's you page as some form of pdf, take it or leave it'
<apeiros_>
don't know about webkit, we use princexml at work
<apeiros_>
and there it's a) shitloads easier than doing prawn, and b) you get quite a lot of control
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<joshu>
apeiros_ you create pdfs at work?
<apeiros_>
a couple of dozens, yes
<joshu>
and you use princexml?
<apeiros_>
but as said, we use princexml, which costs ~3k
<joshu>
oh ok
<joshu>
hehe
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<workmad3>
joshu: that's the same solution as I just suggested
<workmad3>
joshu: except that prawnto is an old rails plugin that integrates prawn into the rails 2 render pipeline
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<joshu>
workmad3 ok i'm just using plain ruby
<workmad3>
joshu: so you create prawn 'templates' in rails parlance, which are simply ruby scripts using prawn to generate a pdf
<apeiros_>
blerp
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<apeiros_>
tying pdf generation to controllers was the worst I ever did
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<joshu>
workmad3 so "they've had the ability to import another pdf for use as a "template" per se. " this is about importing an actual pdf file and adding to it?
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<joshu>
instead of replacing I can add if that's any different..sorry if i'm going in circles
<workmad3>
joshu: if you read the comments on the first accepted answer you'll see someone saying 'there's no good or easy way to do that'
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<workmad3>
joshu: and it really boils down to pdf being a format for laying things out, so it's not something you can easily create a template for and then 'slot in' values afterwards
<joshu>
workmad3 ok dropping it. i'm googling prawn pdf creation form scratch to see how difficult it is to do something that looks decent
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<workmad3>
joshu: prawn is pretty easy to use IMO :)
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<workmad3>
joshu: the other thing you could consider, if you feel a bit masochistic, would be to create a latex template
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<workmad3>
joshu: that's something you *can* template and then insert values into, then generate a pdf from it
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<joshu>
workmad3 if you knew the type of shit i deal with on a daily basis…"masochistic" is an understatement :(
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<workmad3>
joshu: maybe have a look at latex then ;)
<joshu>
workmad3 haha
<joshu>
workmad3 are you a mac user?
<workmad3>
I am
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<joshu>
you have pages?
<workmad3>
nope
<joshu>
iwork pages?
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<joshu>
ok have you seen the templates in pages?
<workmad3>
no
<joshu>
ok
<joshu>
hehe
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<joshu>
the crux is that i have a simple pdf template for use with a fucked up fax online system. that system only excepts…wait for it…doc and rtf. well guess what converting the pdf to those shitty formats looks like crap. furthermore the fax system requires certain tags that get populated and those are not functional when converting
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<workmad3>
right... so rendering a pdf to an image and setting it as the background image in a .doc... no go? :)
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<joshu>
so being the macgyver i am as apeiros_ already knows what i'm working on…I started to think why don't i just build a system that populates the pdf myself
<Xeago>
joshu: why pdf anyways?
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<apeiros_>
IME if the template doesn't change often, just recreating it in prawn/html is easier, faster and more reliable
<joshu>
workmad3 hmmm.. what about adding fields on top of that image?
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<workmad3>
joshu: you could... it would probably be more horrendous than what you currently have though :P
<joshu>
template is 92.3% always the same…what changes are subject, fax number, from, to, message
<joshu>
Xeago how do you mean?
<apeiros_>
joshu: those can be parametrized too
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<joshu>
apeiros_ exactly
<apeiros_>
a change in template is if the layout changes
<Xeago>
what is the requirement to use PDF?
<workmad3>
if the template is pretty simple, just generate it with prawn and use that to stick in the values
<joshu>
i already have that data ;)
<Xeago>
in my experience RTF is quite easy to work with
<joshu>
layout will be same, so templete is a single one only
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<joshu>
Xeago I tried RTF but I was not able to recreate the layout so that it looked acceptable…i tried saving directly to RTF, converting from PDF to RTF. but I learnt that there are different RTF "versions" the fax provider only accepts the one you get on windows
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<joshu>
TextEdit on Mac RTF differs from Windows RTF apparently
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<apeiros_>
"standards"
<apeiros_>
<3
<apeiros_>
/sarcasm
<workmad3>
apeiros_: you love standards
<apeiros_>
I love standards. I hate "standards".
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<apeiros_>
hm, I need a new monitor. back when I bought this one, it wasn't an issue that it only had one input…
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<joshu>
if only companies thought about the services they build and offer things would be different but unfortunately very few do
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