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<r0bgleeson> westoque: can you isolate the problem? try to take the HTTP code out of the test and run it standalone. i mean, it has to be an error of configuration.
<r0bgleeson> westoque: you must be hitting the wrong port.
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<westoque> r0bgleeson: I'lll try. Thanks.
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<westoque> r0bgleeson: So it works when I do plain Net::HTTP.get from the test.
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<westoque> r0bgleeson: The logs show that it breaks when the selenium library makes a request to my localhost
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<dankest> How can I test that a log warning has been written in TestUnit?
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<f0ster> so, assignments in ruby return the LHS value ?
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<f0ster> e.g., ((var = 5 ) == 5 ) == true
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* f0ster verifies, surprised
<f0ster> logical, but used to c/cpp/java etc
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<xibalba> have you guys seen websockets rails? anyone using it?
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<r0bgleeson> xibalba: what's that? got a link?
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<r0bgleeson> f0ster: assignments just return a value.
<r0bgleeson> (the rhs value)
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<jaybe> anyone happen to know if the pygments ruby gem (pygments.rb) means one does NOT have to have/install python's pygments package? i.e. does it accomplish it without pythons pygments?
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<xibalba> r0bgleeson,
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<r0bgleeson> xibalba: I haven't used it. I'm using reel to do websockets.
<xibalba> link ?
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<f0ster> r0bgleeson: well i guess RHS is the same as LHS in assignment
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<f0ster> r0bgleeson: was just surprised compared to other languages
<r0bgleeson> f0ster: yup, but "foo = 123" is an expression in ruby, so it actually returns a value.
<r0bgleeson> f0ster: IRB/Pry is a great way to show that off.
<r0bgleeson> everything returns a value.
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<hayksaakian> hi can anyone help with a windows install
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<ariedler> hayksaakian: whats up
<hayksaakian> it's having problems installing event machine
<hayksaakian> during a byndle
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<ariedler> hayksaakian: and?
<hayksaakian> im trying to copy/paste the logs into gist right now
<ariedler> okay
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<hayksaakian> i was having issues with bcrypt a moment earlier, so i installed the devkit thing for C extensions
<hayksaakian> and added the directroy to my path
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<hayksaakian> yeah, so any ideas?
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<ariedler> hayksaakian: got distracted by women
<neataroni> why is rackup not working when trying to locally test my static site? I'm on os x and i followed https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/static-sites-ruby
<ariedler> hayksaakian: hmmm interesting; looks like a c++ compile error
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<ariedler> hayksaakian: it is an open ticket... https://github.com/eventmachine/eventmachine/pull/411
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<hayksaakian> ouch
<solidus-lake> how come http://rubular.com/r/PM2cxCFNyY regex
<solidus-lake> doesn't work when i use it with scan
<hayksaakian> so i guess i could switch to ruby x86 using pik
<hayksaakian> how would i do that though
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<ariedler> hayksaakian: no idea; I don't use windows.
<hayksaakian> ok, got it: pik use
<hayksaakian> (i don't either, but my mac died)
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<hayksaakian> ok, got it: pik use
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<hayksaakian> now: I've switched to x86 ruby 2.0.0
<hayksaakian> but gem install bundler fails with
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<havenwood> hayksaakian: Did you update bundler to the latest version (gem update bunlder)? Update gem to latest version (gem update --system)?
<havenwood> gem update bundler**
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<hayksaakian> same error
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<havenwood> hayksaakian: What is your?: ruby -v
<hayksaakian> ruby 2.0.0p0 (2013-02-24) [i386-mingw32]
<havenwood> hayksaakian: How bout?: gem -v
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<hayksaakian> that fails. i get the same error i linked to
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<havenwood> ahh
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<havenwood> hayksaakian: Using RVM, chruby, or rbenv or no Ruby version manager? Get anything back from?: gem environment
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<hayksaakian> using pik. this is windows
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<hayksaakian> no dice with gem environment either
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<hayksaakian> hmm irb fails too...
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<hayksaakian> could it be due to the fact that my file associations are connected to a different ruby install (the x64 one)
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<hayksaakian> could it be the path that's borked
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<coddr> hello
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<coddr> i have a problem with RyubyMine, any help please?
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<hayksaakian> any windows devs that can help me here? getting 2.0.0 x86 installid is a PITA
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<undersc0re97> hayksaakian: huh?
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<hayksaakian> never mind, I;m figuring it out
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<hayksaakian> after trying to bundle
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<hayksaakian> can someone help me with https://gist.github.com/hayksaakian/7d60c0ab8a9264df12dd
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<hayksaakian> i think my devkit install didn't work / went wrong
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<hayksaakian> my compiler seems to either not work or not exist
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<arubin> It could not find gmake.
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<hayksaakian> and the test instructions passed
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<hayksaakian> headdesk
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<heph> i have a script which requires a version to pass to a 'gem install', I just want it to install the latest available. would 'gem install gemname -v "> 0"' work for that reliably or do I need a different syntax?
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<arubin> heph: I think that you just do not specify a version at all.
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<heph> arubin: i don't have the option. if i don't specify a version, it tries to run 'gem install gemname -v ""'
<heph> which throws an error
<heph> i can't currently fix the script which is generating the gem install command
<arubin> Defaults:
<arubin> --both --version '>= 0' --rdoc --ri --no-force
<arubin> --version '>= 0' appears to work.
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<DrShoggoth> is there a url_decode in ruby? http://rdoc.info/stdlib/erb/1.8.7/ERB/Util
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<r0bgleeson> nnnn/bu5
<r0bgleeson> woopd
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<aeontech> hi all
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<aeontech> i am having problems getting resque workers to run in my bare rack application
<aeontech> (not rails)
<aeontech> when i run the worker manually from pry, it executes fine
<solrize> is there a good "learn ruby fast" site or book? i'm pretty good at python but have gotten involved with a ruby project
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<bnagy> solrize: a lot of resources are aimed at people that are learning ruby and learning programming at the same time
<bnagy> which kind of sucks a bit
<bnagy> ruby-doc.org is pretty awesome though
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<solrize> hmm looking
<solrize> thanks
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<bnagy> you can slog through ruby the hard way, just skip a lot of the early stuff
<solrize> zed shaw?
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<bnagy> basically you need to understand how we use blocks and the Enumerator class
<aeontech> but when i try to run rake resque:work QUEUE=radar_history_queue --trace, the worker seems to just quit silently
<bnagy> then just how our Class Module and mixin system works
<bnagy> that will get you far enough that you can just read the docs for the rest
<solrize> " It assumes absolutely no prior programming knowledge and will guide you carefully and slowly through the learning process"
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<bnagy> yeah, like I said, the early stuff is irritating
<bnagy> I have been trying to find, for python, exactly what you're looking for for ruby :)
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<bnagy> otherwise I recall that being 'OK'
<bnagy> google cache maybe
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<solrize> i think i looked at that and it was sort of a helpful "first 5 minutes" but didn't really dig in
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<bnagy> basically once you grok the object heirarchy and read all of the doc for the Enumerable mixin you'll be good :)
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<bnagy> people talk about Eloquent Ruby, but I haven't read it and I am Against dead tree programming books in general
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<solrize> ok thanks
<solrize> i gotta sign off, may be back later
<solrize> ttfn
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<bnagy> o/
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<krz> i have two files: module Stat and class Stat::Video. module Stat as a method called foobar. how do i call this method within Stat::Video?
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<injekt> krz: Stat.foobar
<bnagy> Stat.foobar
<bnagy> or you could include Stat, but that would be a bit inception
<bnagy> I don't really like container modules to have classes in them, but I am old fashioned
<bnagy> sorry container modules to have methods on them I mean
<krz> bnagy: so your container modules would be blank?
<bnagy> well they would just be for namespacing yeah
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<bnagy> like, they have classes in them
<krz> i see. that makes sense
<krz> currently don't have anything in the module. just "looks" odd
<bnagy> also bear in mind that if you want to call a method on a module "directly" like Stat.foobar then it needs to be added to the module object itself
<bnagy> like def self.foobar or module_function :stat
<bnagy> sorry module_function :foobar
<bnagy> I should just give up until I have had more caffeine
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<krz> If i have a class called Foobar. and I do Foobar. how do i make it execute the method foo ?
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<krz> initialize?
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<injekt> krz: Foobar.new.foo
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<krz> i can't do it with just Foobar ?
<injekt> krz: you need to initialize a new instance of Foobar before you can call instance methods on it
<injekt> krz: no Foobar is a class not a method
<injekt> krz: you could add a Foobar method and call Foobar() # make sure you add parenthesis but that's ugly and you shouldn't do it
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<krz> injekt: something like http://pastie.org/7821212
<injekt> krz: oh that would work
<injekt> krz: but you'd call Base.new not just Base
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<krz> still doesnt work with new
<injekt> krz: sure it does
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<injekt> >> class X; def initialize; foo; end; def foo; p 'here'; end; end; X.new
<eval-in> injekt => "here" ... (http://eval.in/24207)
<krz> oh yea works with p
<krz> not puts
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<krz> oh hmm
<injekt> no it'l work with puts too
<krz> actually...
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<krz> ok but no way to achieve this without creating a new instance of the object?
<krz> to_s?
<injekt> krz: if you dont want an instance, dont use an instance method
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<injekt> >> class Foo; def self.foo; p 'here'; end; end; Foo.foo
<eval-in> injekt => "here" ... (http://eval.in/24214)
<injekt> foo is a class method
<krz> I want to be able to write Foo. which will in theory call Foo.foo
<injekt> krz: I've told you already that's not possible, Foo is a constant it doesn't magically do something when you write it
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<shevy> krz the parser does not allow to break fixed rules like that
<injekt> >> class Foo; end; def Foo(); Foo.new; end; [Foo, Foo()]
<eval-in> injekt => [Foo, #<Foo:0x41d853c4>] (http://eval.in/24215)
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<krz> how can i achieve this: http://pastie.org/7821239
<krz> basically needs to output the class that it was called from
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<injekt> krz: you want "Foo" or "Bar" ?
<krz> Foo
<krz> er
<krz> sorry
<krz> "Bar"
<krz> pastie was wrong
<injekt> self is Bar
<krz> hm
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<injekt> >> class Foo; def self.class_name; p self; end; end; class Bar < Foo; end; Bar.class_name
<eval-in> injekt => Bar ... (http://eval.in/24216)
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<krz> ok finally. http://pastie.org/7821246 how would i return the class name (Bar) instead of A::Bar
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<Mon_Ouie> Remove your class_name method and use the standard one
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<Mon_Ouie> (and you can use A::Bar.name to get "A::Bar")
<injekt> and then you can split on the :: and display the last result to get the class sans module/namespace
<krz> but that means ill have to do a split(::)
<injekt> yes
<krz> hm ok
<Mon_Ouie> No need, A::Bar.class_name gives you the class name sans namespace already
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<injekt> Mon_Ouie: how will his current code give the class name sans namespace?
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<Mon_Ouie> It won't, I'm talking about Module#class_name from core
<injekt> Mon_Ouie: there is no class_name in core oO
<Mon_Ouie> Oh, nvm, that's just because I had YARD loaded in Pry
<injekt> haha
<injekt> the downside to repl extensions!
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<krz> don't mess with me Mon_Ouie, ill slap you
<krz> :_P
<krz> sorry. it was the urge. crazy fingers
<injekt> but yeah yard's class_name just does name.split("::").last krz
<injekt> so just do that
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<krz> yep, thanks :_D
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<dawkirst> Hi, is there some way I can establish the amount of memory a Ruby process takes?
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<bnagy> top?
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<santana> dawkirst, the YARV based one?, I don't think so :\ but the Java based one, yes
<santana> it's Java after all
<santana> I mean, JVM
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<bnagy> pretty sure jruby can only tell you about the memory being managed by the jvm, which isn't the same thing
<bnagy> eg it supports c extensions, kind of
<bnagy> or FFI libs
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<santana> you can tell the JVM how much memory it may allocate
<bnagy> basically you need to ask your OS
<bnagy> santana: only for managed memory, as I just said
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<santana> you're answering the wrong question
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<bnagy> how so?
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<bnagy> the amount of memory a _process_ takes includes unmanaged memory and memory that has nothing to do with ruby
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<santana> dawkirst asked how to set the amount of memory; your answer (top, or ask your OS) makes me think you read "how can I tell how much memory was allocated[
<santana> "
<bnagy> I don't think establish means what you think it means
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<santana> probably
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<dawkirst> Sorry, I meant what bnagy thinks I meant (i.e. how can I tell?)
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<santana> that was false friend :\
<santana> ^a
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<bnagy> you can do it 'natively' from Ruby, but the naive way is OS dependent
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<bnagy> Process might work though...
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<bnagy> no, seems not... dammit, I was sure there was a proper stdlib for this
<notdan> Hi! How can insert a code block unformatted in HAML?
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<dawkirst> santana, bnagy, thanks
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<alexmreis> notdan, you're probably looking for =!
<alexmreis> escapes html
<alexmreis> uhh !=
<alexmreis> %pre!= stuff.code
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<notdan> I think != actually tied to evaluate the code
<alexmreis> well depends how you're outputting it from the thing you = it to
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<alexmreis> but it just struck me you're trying to write the code itself on the document right?
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<notdan> Well, I am trying to do something like ``` <code> ``` in github markdown
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<notdan> I've tried doing :markdown and ``` ...``` but it doesn't respect the formatting
<notdan> I also tried this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137086
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<notdan> but it idents the second line weirdly
<alexmreis> tried = preserve do ?
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<notdan> Well, this doesn't work either: http://paste.lisp.org/+2XRY/1
<notdan> Sorry, I am a complete noob :(
<notdan> I tried searching the Haml reference, but didn't find anything of much yes
<notdan> s/yes/use
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<alexmreis> no worries
<alexmreis> try getting rid of ``` and preceding it with a %pre tag
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<notdan> Ok,this actually works: http://paste.lisp.org/+2XRY/2
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<notdan> But I have to exit the :markdown thingy in order to use it
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<notdan> alexmreis: right, thanks. but can i use this snippet inside the :markdown area?
<shevy> I dont wanna code no more
<alexmreis> notdan: don't think so. haven't used markdown inside haml much though
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<notdan> alexmreis: ok, thanks
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<shevy> test
<alexmreis> NameError: undefined local variable or method `test' for main:Object
<matti> ;d
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<apeiros> alexmreis: you hacked your ruby? :)
<apeiros> because:
<apeiros> >> defined? test
<eval-in> apeiros => "method" (http://eval.in/24397)
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<alexmreis> nah, I actually edited the reply :)
<shevy> alexmreis cheater!!!
<alexmreis> irb(main):005:0> testt
<alexmreis> NameError: undefined local variable or method `testt' for main:Object
<apeiros> ^^
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<shevy> my irb prompt is proudly empt
<shevy> y
<injekt> :SIMPLE_PROMPT ftw
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<apeiros> simple prompt is for simple people :-p
<shevy> what is simple prompt?
<apeiros> >>
<eval-in> apeiros => nil (http://eval.in/24400)
<apeiros> lol
<injekt> simple person ^
<apeiros> nooo eval-in, that was not for you
<shevy> eval-in you stupid thing you
<shevy> I want bots to talk to us
<shevy> apeiros, how about butler 3.0, the real AI bot?
<apeiros> shevy: there are bots which randomly talk - google markov chains
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<shevy> hmm
<injekt> the one in the perl channel is pretty good as i think it's been running since the beginning of time
<shevy> I think I have a ruby question now
<shevy> say I have a simple method like this one: http://pastie.org/pastes/7821848/text
<shevy> and the first argument has a default value
<shevy> now, I could use a constant, and use that
<shevy> XYZ = 'default value here'
<shevy> def foo(input = XYZ)
<shevy> input = XYZ if input.nil?
<shevy> but it's a bit tedious to define lots of constants, if I would have many such methods where the first argument could, potentially, be nil in some situations
<shevy> so my question now is:
<shevy> is there any programmatic way to query the default values of arguments in a method definition?
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<apeiros> shevy: not really
<shevy> we need halsbe
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<shevy> do you mac guys compile anything ever?
<shevy> like ruby?
<apeiros> sure
<apeiros> though we let compile
<apeiros> e.g. rvm does it for us
<shevy> hmm apeiros, when you want to compile something on mac, ... ah ok, but that is only for ruby? what if there is some other program, how would you tend to compile that on a mac?
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<apeiros> usually via homebrew
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<apeiros> often there's binaries
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<shevy> ok, thanks
<injekt> I compile ruby myself
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<injekt> otherwise it's traditional make, shevy
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<shevy> injekt, you don't use homebrew?
<injekt> shevy: I do but not for everything
<injekt> shevy: some things aren't available via homebrew for example
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<injekt> shevy: I'm a linux hacker at heart so i'm used to lots of configuring and compiling manually
<alexmreis> ./configure; make install works wonders
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<alexmreis> and some times dancing with configure and options
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<shevy> injekt right, but it seems kinda nicer to unify behind one package manager, like homebrew in that case
<injekt> shevy: yup sure, homebrew is awesome
<bnagy> macports > brew
<shevy> or have homebrew work on linux, but I assume that will never become a primary goal :(
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<bnagy> brew is the fixie of osx package managers
<injekt> bnagy: I have been back and fourth many times, settled with brew in the end
<injekt> shevy: brew is built entirely for osx, most linux distros have their own package managers
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<fasta> Why does file foo return that the file exists and File.exists?(foo) doesn't?
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<injekt> fasta: What is `file foo`? you mean in the shell?
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<fasta> injekt: file foo is executed in the shell indeed.
<injekt> fasta: are you sure you're in the same directory?
<fasta> injekt: I am giving it an absolute path.
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<apeiros> fasta: because the variable foo is not the same as the string 'foo'?
<fasta> injekt: both run as the same user.
<fasta> apeiros: I am not that stupid.
<injekt> lol
<apeiros> fasta: you wouldn't be the first to be…
<injekt> fasta: normal files no symlinks?
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<apeiros> File.exists? is true for symlinks iirc
<apeiros> would be surprised if not
<fasta> injekt: yes
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<injekt> yeah just wanted to make sure
<apeiros> fasta: escapes?
<fasta> apeiros: no
<apeiros> i.e., file foo\ bar != File.exists?("foo\\ bar")
<apeiros> encoding issues?
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<fasta> "print" prints a newline too, right?
<injekt> noo
<injekt> -o
<fasta> Ok, then there we go.
<injekt> eh
<apeiros> invisible characters then :-p
<fasta> I got the file from executing a sh command.
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<fasta> And those always output a newline...
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<fasta> Unless you do something special.
<fasta> Thanks
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<fasta> Isn't there some useful configuration which shows such trailing newlines in ruby output?
<bnagy> p somestr
<injekt> fasta: you can inspect the string
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<injekt> which is what p() does
<fasta> It would be useful if one could automatically instrument all files with pry too.
<fasta> (without it messing up your upgrades, I mean)
<bnagy> I don't know what "instrument all files" means
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<fasta> On https://selenium.googlecode.com/git/docs/api/rb/Selenium/Server.html it doesn't say what I need to require in order for this to work: server = Selenium::Server.new('/path/to/selenium-server-standalone.jar') I understand that there might be some convention, but can you tell me what it wants be to require?
<fasta> s/be/me
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<fasta> I tried such things as require 'selenium-webdriver' but that was obviously not the right answer and I don't like to guess more than once.
<Hanmac> fasta: did you try "selenium" or "selenium/server" ?
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<fasta> Where can I read how require works exactly?
<apeiros> ri Kernel#require
<apeiros> in case of doubt, the source code is public
<apeiros> note that rubygems modifies how require works
<fasta> apeiros: I meant a specification of its behaviour.
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<fasta> apeiros: I read some kind of desciption like "require tries to load the library and returns true when it works".
<fasta> apeiros: absolutely useless.
<fasta> What does "loading" mean?
<fasta> Where does it look?
<fasta> In what order?
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<fasta> Is any order defined?
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<fasta> All very basic questions that should be answered by documentation.
<fasta> The first reference in a couple of Ruby books I looked at also does not specify require in a better way.
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<Hanmac1> fasta: "order"? i think you dont understand how ruby works oO ...
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<fasta> Hanmac: your suggestion was correct, btw.
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<fasta> Hanmac: also, I don't need you to tell me what you think.
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<fasta> Hanmac: just answer the questions I ask.
<fasta> Hanmac: or don't say anything. OK?
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<Hanmac> i am not doing your homework
<fasta> Hanmac: my homework?
<fasta> Hanmac: wtf?
<waxjar> the questions you asked are in the documentation
<apeiros> Hanmac, fasta: calm down and behave
<fasta> waxjar: what documentation?
<fasta> waxjar: I consulted two books and none of them specified it.
<Hanmac> your questinos sounds after something your teacher asked you
<apeiros> fasta: while Kernel#require docs don't seem to mention it, the order is the same as $LOAD_PATH
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<waxjar> fasta the documentation for Kernel#require
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<apeiros> i.e., "* If the file can be loaded from the existing Ruby loadpath, it is. " (from the docs) - loadpath means $LOAD_PATH. which is an array which is searched from first to last in that order
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<Hanmac> fasta: like if you do in YOUR file: require "abc"; require "xyz" then "abc" is required before "xyz" EXCEPT "abc" itself requires "xyz" inside itself
<apeiros> hm, why is my require doc different than the one on ruby-doc? o0
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<apeiros> I should have the ruby 1.9.3p392 docs installed here…
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<fasta> Hanmac: do I sound like an Indian programmer who goes to a pathetic school to learn "Ruby"?
<apeiros> and btw. fasta - you're not in a position to make demands ("answer! or say nothing!"). so don't. it gets you fast-tracked on ignore.
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<fasta> apeiros: I am always in a position to make demands.
<apeiros> you're mistaken.
<fasta> If people provide too much stupidity, they go on my idiots list and are never heard of again.
<waxjar> lmao, what the hell man. there's 3 people trying to help you and you're being a dick and throwing some racism around? not cool.
<fasta> waxjar: it's not racism.
<waxjar> whatever
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<fasta> waxjar: I am sure there are Indian programmers who are good; I just haven't ever seen any.
<shevy> fasta basically the preferred way to add more .rb files is by using require, whereas via load() you just load the .rb file again (and can do so multiple times, unlike with require)
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<apeiros> fasta: re idiots list - then do that. but don't go around and misbehave.
<apeiros> it's not welcome here.
<shevy> fasta what you have to keep in mind with something like Selenium is that it may well be awful to use, there is no way to know before whether the author who wrote it was conforming to standards or not
<fasta> That specification is extremely bad.
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<Kar-> wow you guys are a lot more patient than I am with such people :)
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<shevy> in most situations, when a project is called 'foo', requiring it should conform to 'foo' to, as in: require 'foo'
<Zambz> hey there guys, i'm building Ruby manually on SUSE 10 (old OS, I know, hehe) and noticed 2 components failed to build, ripper and fiddle, but I can't seem to figure out what they are and what their related -devel packages are
<Zambz> any help would be greatly appreciated :)
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<banister`sleep> fasta: i know lots of good indian programmers, there's a few in rails core, and one of them wrote the pry-debugger plugin etc
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<shevy> fasta note that in require, it is typical that all '-' would become '/'. this maps into the filesystem usually, like: 'foo/bar' would confirm to a directory called foo/, then a file called bar.rb there inside
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<waxjar> Zambz, they're libraries in the standard library i believe
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<fasta> It says that it loads the given "name". It doesn't say how.
<shevy> fasta but as said, it depends on the author. there are some who just don't seem to care
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<fasta> Then it refers to a filename giving the suggestion that the name was really a filename afterall.
<apeiros> the "how" would be code. if you want to read code - it's there.
<fasta> No, the how would not be code.
<fasta> The how could be a Z specification for all I care or English.
<fasta> The code is one particular implementation to accomplish that.
<waxjar> what exactly do you wanna know that isn't in the documentation?
<waxjar> as far as i can see everything's there
<fasta> I want to know the exact semantics of require.
<fasta> Have you ever read an actual language specification?
<Zambz> waxjar: thanks mate, not sure how to build them on SUSE
<Zambz> the rest had related c libs
<fasta> Like the big boys do for C++, etc?
<shevy> fasta require() tries to load a file, which by default conforms to name+'.rb', as in, require 'foo' would be treated as require 'foo.rb'
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<waxjar> then read the documentation. if you have any further questions, ask those questions. "i want to know the how" is quite vague
<fasta> shevy: see? I also came up with that.
<fasta> shevy: and that's what it should have said in the documentation.
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<fasta> shevy: not the 15 lines of garbage it has now.
<apeiros> 14:08 fasta: Like the big boys do for C++, etc?
<apeiros> if you continue to be an ass, I'll kick you.
<shevy> fasta no idea who wrote that part of the documentation
<fasta> apeiros: you cannot seriously suggest that you are anywhere near the amount of standardization that C++ has?
<apeiros> fasta: not my point.
<waxjar> "If the filename has the extension “.rb”, it is loaded as a source file; if the extension is “.so”, “.o”, or “.dll”, or the default shared library extension on the current platform, Ruby loads the shared library as a Ruby extension. Otherwise, Ruby tries adding “.rb”, “.so”, and so on to the name until found. If the file named cannot be found, a LoadError will be raised."
<fasta> apeiros: well, that was my point.
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<waxjar> what's unclear about that?
<fasta> waxjar: it refers to "name".
<apeiros> fasta: I don't care. if you behave like an ass, you can go. that's my point.
<fasta> waxjar: not "filename".
<apeiros> or rather, I will make you go.
<waxjar> lol, damn son.
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<fasta> I think shevy was the only person who understood what I was saying. Good for you shevy.
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<shevy> ruby has an older documentation too btw for 1.8.7
<shevy> ^^^ which is shorter, ironically :D
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<shevy> yep, 1.8.x were the good days of ruby
<fasta> If you write documentation, you must write it such that someone can write an implementation without looking at anything else.
<fasta> Otherwise, it's just a waste of time.
<shevy> fasta ah that can be dangerous, let me show you the example of nimrod
<waxjar> i think you better stick to the stuff "the big boys" write then fasta
<shevy> here is the general collection: http://nimrod-code.org/documentation.html
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<shevy> fasta and here let me give you just one specific example: http://nimrod-code.org/manual.html#ordinal-types
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<apeiros> fasta: documentation is not specification. that's why it's two different words. you might want to google for "ruby spec"
<apeiros> and yes, there is a formal specification of ruby
<shevy> and I can tell you, despite ruby's shortcomings, it is 1000x better than nimrod's docu
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<shevy> I do think python has the best online documentation though, it reads like a book
<apeiros> you have to pay for it, though. since it's an (ISO, I believe) standard.
<shevy> fasta when I tried to convince the author of nimrod to improve the documentation (and in essence, make it richer, more detailed etc...) he said that not everyone wants to read so much
<shevy> and he made a valid point, for while my personal use case would be to need as much documentation as possible, more experienced users may be bored
<fasta> apeiros: your point being?
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<fasta> apeiros: "free is better"?
<shevy> yes when it comes to beer
<apeiros> you're trying to see something where there is nothing.
<fasta> Or in this case "cowboy programming language without good spec is better".
<shevy> japanese are not cowboys man
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<waxjar> ty
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<alexmreis> thanks
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<apeiros> and of course he comes and whines in my PM…
<apeiros> how unexpected
<apeiros> well, "whines" = "starts to insult me". whatever. same thing.
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<Hanmac> and shevy before you ask, yeah i will write more documentation and tests but first i need to have more code before i can dokument them ;P ... and you dont even read my other commits ;(
<Kar-> i don't understand how people can be so demanding like that
<Kar-> as if you owe them something
<shevy> Hanmac man I was insanely busy the last ~2 weeks
<apeiros> entitlement issues
<banister`sleep> Hanmac: james baxter?
<shevy> Hanmac I am still rewriting my biggest ruby project
<apeiros> I think it's related to the way some parents educate their children
<Kar-> perhaps
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<Kar-> even when i was a snotty bratty kid
<Hanmac> banister`sleep: not yet, did you watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8QjNjrlzo
<Kar-> i don't remember being so aggressive while asking others for help :)
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<shevy> Kar- I think he had no love for ruby
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<shevy> seemed to be a heavy C++ person
<Kar-> hmm
<Kar-> language bigots are the worst
<shevy> hehe
<Kar-> they don't actually like programming i think
<Kar-> since there's so much joy in learning how to do things differently
<shevy> hmm
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<Hanmac> Kar-: i have seen such politicans in our government ... something like "if i dont get what i want, i halt to breathe"
<shevy> there are good and bad things in programming
<shevy> I like the creative parts. I hate bugs
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<Kar-> i like solving problems at the end of the day and making things
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<shevy> yeah
<Kar-> a programmng language is just a medium for expression
<Kar-> c++ / ruby / php
<Kar-> doesn't really matter what
<shevy> oh god, php
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<shevy> it'll never die :(
<drizz> (ʘωʘ) php
<drizz> (ʘωʘ)
<Kar-> disclosure i'm first and foremost a php programmer
<apeiros> it's simple - having issues with docs/language etc. is legitimate. thinking language X does it better than ruby is legitimate. but being an ass about it is not accepted.
<Kar-> well specifically first i was a c programmer but i don't know too many people that get paid to write in low level languages these days
<banister`sleep> Hanmac: haha that's cool
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<shevy> Kar- we all have our dark past
<banister`sleep> Hanmac: what tv show is that?
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<Hanmac> drizz & shevy: lets play odd men out with php: » one of this values are true in php: 0,"0",0.0,"0.0" «
<Kar-> haha
<shevy> Kar- apeiros here wrote some 20k lines of code in one php app many years ago
<apeiros> Hanmac: it would be cool if they actually stopped to breathe
<apeiros> I'd insist on not giving them what they want then
<shevy> hehehe
<Hanmac> apeiros: yeah ... it would be better for all of us
<apeiros> we'd quickly get rid of lots of bad politicians.
<injekt> shevy: it's scary to think that's not even a large php codebase
<Hanmac> Banister "til' Death" ... in the last wierd season this one character is "medium aware" ;P
<drizz> Hanmac: only one?
<Hanmac> drizz: yeah thats the point ;P
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<Kar-> Hanmac: all of them evaulate to false
<Hanmac> Kar- ha you fooled ;p
<waxjar> oh man, php
<drizz> I'd have guessed all but the absolute 0
<drizz> would be true
<drizz> because php
<Kar-> there's truthiness in php like js
<Kar-> you can do strict evaluation with ===
<Kar-> but even with lazy eval == all of them if put in a if check evaluate false
<apeiros> IMO in JS & PHP you almost always want ===, not ==
<injekt> ^
<Kar-> i know there is one strange example of an empty string
<Kar-> being true
<apeiros> one exposition of awesome php bugs/design features
<Kar-> interesting
<apeiros> I found the comments thread quite amusing too :)
<Kar-> i had an array with those values
<Kar-> and ran through a loop
<Kar-> and all of them false
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<shevy> man
<shevy> I cant even get my head to want to understand how PHP behaves and why it does so
<Kar-> haha
<Kar-> yeah best not look at the c code
<Kar-> well
<Kar-> it's not even c
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<Kar-> it's C preprocessor code
<shevy> hehehe
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<Hanmac> Kar- i thnk than you dont want to see MY C preprocessor code i use in my bindings ;P
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<charliesome> oh c preprocessor macros
<charliesome> try .. catch macros are the best
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<Hanmac> i like my macro more
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<shevy> you guys are nuts
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<chrismatheson> hey, just poping in to see if anyone would be interested in / has the time to help me reverse engineer a small bit of ruby ??
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<charliesome> chrismatheson: go for it
<charliesome> gist the code
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<chrismatheson> charliesome https://github.com/appfog/af/blob/master/lib/vmc/client.rb line 94 i think
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<charliesome> chrismatheson: what about it
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<chrismatheson> im trying to port this CLI to node and the documentation for server API is non-existent :P
<chrismatheson> so im trying to figure out what i should be sending and where
<charliesome> haha why do you want to port it to node?
<chrismatheson> it looks to me like i need to zip up the dir i want to upload and then do a multipart-post
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<elaptics> charliesome: masochist? ;)
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<chrismatheson> thats what im writing my stuff in nowadays and i want to be able to write a deployment server :)
<charliesome> chrismatheson: just shell out to ruby
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<charliesome> no point rewriting it in node and then having to keep it up to date
<chrismatheson> well i was thinking that, but i dont think that will work for PaaS where you choose a runtime for your app ??
<chrismatheson> plus i want to tweek a little
<chrismatheson> e.g. take details from x,y,z make a manifest.yml file in memory and add it to the zip to be uploaded
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<charliesome> looks like this requires a fair bit of context that i don't have so i don't think i'm able to help you here
<charliesome> sorry
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<chrismatheson> no worries, i knida fingured it wasnt a five minuter, just wondering if anyone was bored and looking for something to do ;)
<chrismatheson> thanks for offering tho charliesome
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<lupine> can I connect pry to an already-running ruby process ?
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<lupine> seems not :)
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<banister`sleep> lupine: you can with pry-rescue
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<lupine> ooh
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<banister`sleep> lupine: scroll down to 'peeking' in the readme https://github.com/conradirwin/pry-rescue
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<lupine> ah, I see, you still have to start your application under pry-rescue
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<lupine> I was thinking closer to gdb attach, but in a way that would let me sanely redefine a method :)
<banister`sleep> lupine: well you just need pry-rescue gem required
<lupine> aye, and the process in question does not have it :)
<banister`sleep> lupine: ah ok
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<banister`sleep> lupine: hmm, well, we will probably write a gdb attacher sometime soon, probably wont require more than writing a script that attaches gdb and then requires + runs pry-remote
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<banister`sleep> lupine: in the meantime you could try doing it manually -- i.e attach via gdb, then: call rb_require("pry-remote")
<banister`sleep> you might need to break out of teh bundler jail though
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<lupine> we don't use bundler in production :)
<shevy> lupine hehehe
<shevy> lupine trust Hanmac1. He loves bundler.
<lupine> our main server process has a built-in telnet console with eval() support
<shevy> like in the good old days
<lupine> we just didn't bother for some of the satellite processes, and it came back to bite me earlier
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<lupine> we package all our ruby code into .deb packages for production
<lupine> it's elements of glorious
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<bwlang> trying to use a struct to store which fields should be grouped together (see https://gist.github.com/bwlang/0d05cf75c4e8c0c9c45b) but i get an error when ever i try to access that Well.field_groups method (undefined method `FieldGroup' for #<Class:0x0000010c5f2a28>) What am I missing here?
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<bwlang> should i just stop with the fancy stuff and bastardize a hash for this?
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<bwlang> (ruby 1.9 by the way)
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<MrZYX> it's FieldGroup.new not FieldGroup
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<bwlang> MrZYX:doh - thanks - I was hoping that I was just being dumb ;)
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<Lubinski> morning peeps
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<ericwood> yoyoyo
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<ghr> lupine guessing you've had success with packaging then? Have been looking in to it recently. Lots of stuff saying "OMG don't do it" but I can't see why not...
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<alex88> someone ever used https://github.com/srawlins/gmp ?
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<altamic> ruby 2.0 refinements question: why using is not recognized here http://paste.mhanne.net/p/72cd5c2900708f1f0e96f25e8bb15a75618a87d9 ?
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<MrZYX> iirc it has to be called in the main context and is valid for the scope of the file, but since the spec is far from being finalized I'd refrain from using refinements yet
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<altamic> thanks MrZYX I am just playing around
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<tockitj> what is best way to make rdbms queries in ruby ?
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<MrZYX> I don't think there's a "the best way"
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<lupine> ghr, aye, it's a very clean way of doing things
<lupine> we've had to package some of the gems we depend on too, but the burden there is not huge
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<alex88> is there a way to make bundler reinstall a gem after updating system components to rebuild native extension?
<waxjar> just run bundle install again i think
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<whowantstolivefo> guys, i've decided to get these books for fundamentals of ruby >> Eloquent Ruby and Design Patterns in Ruby by Russ Olsen . does it help better than work in different pages ?
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<banister_> whowantstolivefo: "work in different pages" --> what? :)
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<alexmreis> i can definitely recommend Eloquent Ruby if you're coming from another language
<alexmreis> helps you in picking up the ruby "style"
<alexmreis> other than that, if you're doing rails, I recommend The Rails 3 Way
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<alexmreis> didn't particularly like the Design Patterns one, and I do like the original GoF design patterns book
<alex88> waxjar: had to uninstall and then install again
<whowantstolivefo> alexmreis: i am web designer.. no programming background
<alexmreis> It's only good if you're a pattern addict and want to translate your habits to ruby
<alex88> install was just saying "it's installed, what the **** you want" :P
<whowantstolivefo> banister_: i mean i run every web page about ruby and i get confuse
<alexmreis> whowantstolivefo: get DHH's book on rails then, probably will get you off the ground faster
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<banister_> alexmreis: assuming he wants to learn rails :)
<banister_> there's more to ruby than rails these days
<whowantstolivefo> alexmreis: i have no ruby fundemantal... i played with rails maybe 2=3 months (at free times beside work ) i got stuck at some part always. and people suggested me to here for i must learn programming fundamentals and then ruby
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<alexmreis> well if you got off the ground with rails then yeah. what do you want to achieve? changing careers?
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<alexmreis> http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/ is a good start to some people
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<whowantstolivefo> alexmreis: i've almost done half of this book :)
<whowantstolivefo> this is very nice book
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<whowantstolivefo> my achieve is making good reports, and make some web projects as personal
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<whowantstolivefo> i mean DB reports about my work and doing some programming stuff about my work ( i work as IT director in a Hospitals group)
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<alexmreis> right. well you already know how to make the reports look good, just need some basic ruby to do your calculations I guess. following from why's guide there's the pickaxe book which would be the next step in my list
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<banister_> i refer "the ruby programming language" to pickaxe
<banister_> pickaxe (IMO) is just a brain dump of disorganized information
<banister_> with lots of repetition and confusion
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<alexmreis> banister_: haven't read that one, but I agree on pickaxe, not a great learner's book, it's more of a reference
<banister_> pickaxe does have some good stuff, like the chapter on C ext for example
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<Spooner> banister_, Right that pickaxe has a lot of reference stuff, which is probably better online (and thus searchable).
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<whowantstolivefo> alexmreis: https://gist.github.com/whowantstolivefo/5546268 im doing by myself these started codes, don t laugh
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<whowantstolivefo> i have information about what is object, whats integer,float,arrays,hashes, regular expressions and controls like if while blocks etc
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<whowantstolivefo> basic information , i've done ruby koans and read some beginner articles and made some easy tutorials
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<Spooner> whowantstolivefo, You don't need to escape " within ' (only within ").
<Spooner> puts 'The length of "Merry Christmas" is:'
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<whowantstolivefo> Spooner: i know i've learning day by day :) thanks anyway
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<whowantstolivefo> i get Rubymine IDE it is more funny than Sublime Text :)
<whowantstolivefo> getting done today at work, see you tomorrow!! and im away
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<alexmreis> whowantstolivefo: you want 3.times { print 'Ho' } rather than 'Ho' * 3
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<alexmreis> but yeah, you need a programming basics class or book. I'd suggest you try applying it for real on what you need it for, it's the very best way to learn
<alexmreis> otherwise you're training how to steer or accelerate rather than how to drive, if you know what I mean
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<dr_neek> Hello guys I asked this in #rails, but seems like no one around, so I thought I'd try here. Query: I was looking at my Gemfile and noticed that my rails was frozen at '3.2.11'. How come it starts like that rather than '~>3.2.0' ? And is it safe to switch to '~>3.2.0'? I want to make sure I get the latest security updates and the like.
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<apeiros> dr_neek: #rails is the wrong channel
<apeiros> you want #rubyonrails
<dr_neek> apeiros: Ah. Thanks. What's #rails then?
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<apeiros> an inofficial channel
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<yxhuvud2> dr_neek: '~>3.2.11' means it must be *at least* of version 3.2.11
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<dr_neek> yxhuvud2: Yup. But I want it to be latest when I bundle update.
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<yxhuvud2> there should be no difference in that department.
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<yxhuvud2> unless you have a very weird gem setup that requires older versions of rails.
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<alex88> looking at https://github.com/srawlins/gmp/ seems that mpz_mod is mapped to GMP::Z#mod but doing something.mod(another) gives undefined method `mod' for 20486695452:GMP::Z
<alex88> how should I supposed to use that?
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<Spooner> alex88, GMP::Z implements tmod, fmod and cmod, if you read down the file.
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<alex88> Spooner: but if I look at the table below some things are 'not implemented yet' so I think that mod should
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<alex88> Spooner: sorry, looking at c++ docs mpz_mod is the same as mpz_fdiv
<Spooner> alex88, Sounds like a slight documentation error then. Post an issue...?
<alex88> Spooner: going to ;) thanks
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<Spooner> alex88, Might be that mod is actually mapped as #modulo or % (which would be the normal way in Ruby)
<Spooner> (with Float, that is).
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<Spooner> alex88, Yeah, mod gmpz_mod is implemented as % (checked the C extension sources).
<Spooner> Still, it is wrong in the docs.
<alex88> Spooner: oh, damn, I was trying with mod :S well, going to open an issue later
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<alex88> thanks for the check Spooner!
<Spooner> :)
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<kaneda^> hey all, i'm confused about an error i'm getting using sinatra: i go to print request.script_name and when attempting to start sinatra it says "unknwn regex options - apl" as well as "syntax error, unexpected tSTRING_BEG"
<kaneda^> it had no problem with request.body and request.scheme though
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<kaneda^> i imagine it's due to a comment it thinks is the beginning of a string param
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<kaneda^> i removed the comments and now it says unterminated regexp meets end of file
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<gaspar|work> I'm having issues parsing JSON from youtube in ruby, I get invalid format error for string that parses fine in JS liter http://pastie.org/7822986 what could it be?
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<MrZYX> gaspar|work: hm, JSON.parse works fine for me on that
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<gaspar|work> MrZYX: I'm using Oj since JSON.parse was also giving me issues
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<MrZYX> used open-uri for quick testing, maybe httpparty does garbage?
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<kaneda^> there's no extra white-space, no visible indentation problems...
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<MrZYX> kaneda^: show code
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<objectivemo> hi, has anyone done the ruby association certification silver exam, if so, any tips on what will come up?
<kaneda^> MrZYX: http://pastie.org/7823013
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<Spooner> gaspar|work, Are you sure that HTTParty.to_s gives you what you want?
<gaspar|work> Spooner: I'm sure, some other JSON strings from other websites work fine.
<kaneda^> MrZYX: nvm, i forgot a leading '
<Spooner> gaspar|work, Httparty does the parsing for you. No reason to convert it to json so you can parse it ;)
<MrZYX> just wanted to point out... ;)
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<gaspar|work> Spooner: How do I do that? Just use .parse?
<kaneda^> MrZYX: it's always the simplest of things, isn't it?
<MrZYX> kaneda^: your editor has no syntax highlighting for ruby?
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<Spooner> You can treat the response as a Hash
<kaneda^> MrZYX: any way i can get ruby to tell me the line number of the internal server error i just created?
<gaspar|work> Spooner: I used HTTParty.get("http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/users/adaytoremembervevo/uploads?&v=2&max-results=50&alt=jsonc&orderby=viewCount").parsed_response and it worked, thanks guys!
<gaspar|work> Such a simple solution, thanks again!
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<kaneda^> the traceback doesn't show any of my files
<Spooner> gaspar|work, If you use HTTParty::Response#to_s, it gives you the string for a Ruby Hash. It doesn't convert it to JSON!
<MrZYX> kaneda^: it should be printed where you started sinatra
<kaneda^> MrZYX: the traceback is, but it doesnt include my files, just the rack/webrick files
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<MrZYX> mh, yeah, same
<kaneda^> it would be nice if this traceback included the source of the problem :D
<MrZYX> I think it's because you're returning an array and not a string
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<MrZYX> yup
<kaneda^> MrZYX: in this scenario it's just printing all the stuff i put in that code
<MrZYX> no
<kaneda^> i'd like to know which of these lines is the array
<kaneda^> MrZYX: no?
<MrZYX> you're calling a bunch of methods
<kaneda^> i had assumed most of these were members, not methods
<MrZYX> and are not doing anything with the return values
<kaneda^> erm, inside of a request you can just state them and they will be returned (and printed) in sinatra
<MrZYX> all of them are methods and if all they do is returning the value of an instance variable
<MrZYX> obviously not ;)
<kaneda^> sure, but which is the array, and why doesnt sinatra say so
<MrZYX> the last line since that's the implicit return of the block
<kaneda^> right
<MrZYX> if you add "" as the last line of the block the error will go away
<kaneda^> yes
<MrZYX> sinatra expects you to return a string from the block
<MrZYX> and will send that to the client
<kaneda^> i ran to_s on the env and it works now, ty
<kaneda^> i'll compile a string full of the info listed
<MrZYX> I guess you want .inspect though ;)
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<MrZYX> a quick way would be making your list an array and calling .map(&:inspect).join("\n") on it
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<kaneda^> MrZYX: I'm actually going to install json and dumps it
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<MrZYX> inspect gives you a more verbose description
<kaneda^> dont need one, but thanks
<kaneda^> to_json works quite well
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<ij> How do you guys treat those who don't follow the syntax rules?
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<ij> In a work project.
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<cout> ij: eliminate them.
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<Spooner> ij, eviscerate them.
<allaire> How can I just change the timezone identifier of a Time without changing the time itself?
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<ij> Totalitarian syntax regime of #ruby.
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<morrolan_> ij: That depends whether I, or they, are the ones in charge. :)
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<alex88> how could I install a gem from Gemfile passing --with-gmp path and other compiler options?
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<j0sh__> hey guys - can anyone help with this? https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/0e5c7b7f396b89d1fd9e need to do a join but not sure how in rails :/
<bean__> j0sh__: you're better off asking in one of the rails channels
<alex88> j0sh__: I think you should /join #RubyOnRails
<j0sh__> oki thx
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<yoshie902a> Trying to drop a database using active record, but getting drop_database no method error. I'm using ActiveRecord::Base.connection.drop_database @config['database'], any help?
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<MrZYX> -> #rubyonrails
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<yoshie902a> Doing this completely out of rails,
<Spooner> Yes, but Rails people know about AR ;)
<yoshie902a> got it, ok, thanks!
<Spooner> And most of us here don't touch it.
<yoshie902a> how do you handle database connections?
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<yoshie902a> trying to find a simple way to store and retrieve my data, but prefer to avoid the whole rails thing. Someone recommended using AR, but I assume there are other methods to connecting to a sql database.
* Hanmac uses ruby without Databases
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<MrZYX> yoshie902a: just btw, http://api.rubyonrails.org/ is awesome, try searching for drop_database
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<yoshie902a> MrZYX: there seems to be very little documentation on it.
<MrZYX> maybe because it doesn't exist? ;)
<yoshie902a> MrZYX: and hence my problem learning it. :)
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<MrZYX> the method, not the docs....
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<yoshie902a> MrZYX: I've been trying to learn off this, http://exposinggotchas.blogspot.com/2011/02/activerecord-migrations-without-rails.html, but with limited success
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<MrZYX> grepping through the source it's only defined for mysql and postgres connections
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<yoshie902a> MrZYX: thanks, I've been looking up how to switch to postgres.
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<Ontolog_> given ruby 2.0's improved GC (enabling the use of copy-on-write for forked processes) i wonder how much of an improvement (if any) in memory consumption we would get by switching to real threads (most likely jruby)
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<matti> Ontolog: Real Threads?
<Ontolog> matti: yes
<matti> Ontolog: You do you know thar since 1.9 Ruby is using OS threads 1:1 manner?
<Ontolog> matti: as in not green threads
<apeiros> Ontolog: how are real threads related with memory consumption?
<apeiros> matti: um, not correct?
<matti> apeiros: How so?
<apeiros> there's GIL
<apeiros> and it's still present in 2.0
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<matti> apeiros: That has nothing to do with OS thread not being mapped to Ruby one.
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<Ontolog> well if you can run multiple threads then all those threads will be sharing memory, regardless of how GC works
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<Ontolog> the alternative to multi-threaded is multi-process
<Luyt> I made a transcript of DHH's interview for FLOSS79, about his history as a programmer and what he likes about Ruby, see http://www.transcribed-interview.com/dhh-rails-david-heinemeier-hansson-interview-randal-schwartz-floss.html
<Ontolog> hence the relationship of threads to memory consumption
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<Ontolog> GIL is still in 2.0, but you get the new GC that enables CoW
<apeiros> matti: it has to do with executing it 1:1
<Ontolog> so i'm trying to weigh the benefit of going with ruby 2.0 given the improved GC or to go with jruby for the threads
<apeiros> Ontolog: threads has nothing to do with forking
<Ontolog> apeiros: lol
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<apeiros> memory for threads and COW is quite unrelated. I think you have a misconception there.
<Ontolog> apeiros: you don't have to fork if you can handle the new request in a thread....
<Ontolog> i think you're being silly
<apeiros> aha
<matti> LOL
<apeiros> whatever
<matti> +1
<matti> apeiros: Wants some coffee?
* matti just made some
<apeiros> yes please
<apeiros> though, I actually don't drink coffee :)
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<matti> Latte
<matti> Oh.
<matti> There is always first time ;d
<apeiros> and thanks ;-)
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<matti> Welcome ;]
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<graft> is there a way to hide an attribute from #inspect without overriding it?
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<r0bgleeson> Ontolog: threads are still cheaper than a subprocess.
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<Ontolog> r0bgleeson: in terms of memory consumption?
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<r0bgleeson> Ontolog: on multiple levels, it is faster to spawn a thread, and it does not have the overhead of a subprocess.
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<Ontolog> i see, less work in kernel space right?
<r0bgleeson> i dont know what happens in the kernel, but there's less resources to recreate or copy, even with CoW.
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<Ontolog> r0bgleeson: ah, makes sense
<Ontolog> i'll probably wind up doing some benchmarks against ruby 2.0 and jruby (running ruby 1.9.3)
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<r0bgleeson> you can use a process pool to limit the spawning cost.
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<r0bgleeson> and CoW definitely helps, but if REE is the example case i think their memory gains on a Rails app were 33%.
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<r0bgleeson> but yeah, write some benchmarks. in my experience, threads on 1.9 can outperform forks because of the spawn time but it depends on the code you're running and for how long it'll run (short runs, threads almost always win)
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<kesor> Can someone suggest a way to stream stdout from Open3.popen3 into redis using the IO object and not waiting for the whole IO to finish first?
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<r0bgleeson> kesor: maybe not the best way but you could use something like celluloid to asynchronously execute code that polled stdout & wrote to redis.
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<kesor> r0bgleeson: lets say that I already use celluloid. How do I actually get the IO stream at regular intervals from the popen3 object?
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<r0bgleeson> kesor: you'd need to poll, so you could use something like IO.select(in a loop) to check for when the io is readable.
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<kesor> so something like while sout.select do redis_put(sout.gets) end ?
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<r0bgleeson> no, the select interface is not like that.
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<kesor> what if I don't really care about asynchronity … I can have something blocking in the while(something), what would I use?
<r0bgleeson> IO.select
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<r0bgleeson> loop { io.gets } may also work.
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<kesor> r0bgleeson: what if I think about the IO as a file, use the file methods like open/read/etc… how can I loop over a file and get it line by line or something… sout.readlines do … end ?
<r0bgleeson> loop { line = io.gets }
<kesor> cool, i'll try that. thanks!
<r0bgleeson> sure
<kesor> but I need a stop condition, say while not io.closed? or something
<r0bgleeson> yeah, you will get an error if you try to read from a closed io.
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<apeiros> gets actually returns nil at eof
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<kesor> io.gets is like io.read but without waiting for it to close?
<kesor> like unblocking read
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<r0bgleeson> io.gets is a blocking read.
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<kesor> what is its end condition? eof?
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<r0bgleeson> io.gets reads until it finds a line separator so usually "\n".
<kesor> ohh.. that is perfect then
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<kesor> ah damn… looks like I still need to use select :( can't mplex stdout and stderr without looking over both :/
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<kesor> r0bgleeson: I ended up with https://gist.github.com/kesor/5549876, will start testing it now.
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<Quadlex> Argh threads
<Quadlex> If I wanted to deal with thread confusion I'd have become a haberdasher
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<brujoand> hey guys, I'm looking for a ruby gui libray that works both on linux and osx. nothing fancy, i basically just need a papup, with some text, a button and a text input field. I'm leaning towards gtk+ in lack of anything better/simpler. any tips?
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<waxjar> brujoand, shoes seems to be the standard-ish answer
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<brujoand> waxjar: yeah I just landed on their webpage. look promising
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<brujoand> *looks
<kesor> r0bgleeson: thanks A LOT. it works great! :) https://gist.github.com/kesor/5549876
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<brujoand> waxjar: but wow, shoes looks like it's made for kids :P
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<waxjar> brujoand: heh, it does :p
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<kaneda^> hey all, how do i pass the request object to a template?
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<kaneda^> this is in sinatra, to be specific, and i dont want to create an erb template on the fly, i want to use one of my views and pass the request object
<kaneda^> i tried this method, replacing :name for :request and params[:name] for request
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<kaneda^> i dont get an error but everything is blank
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<kaneda^> MrZYX: you still around?
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<MrZYX> yup, I'd answer if I'd an idea ;)
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<kaneda^> MrZYX: i know it's kind of a weird case, and it seems odd to me that the request object isnt available in the template directly after invoking it without having to pass it as local
<kaneda^> in django the request object is available throughout the server-side lifecycle, same with J2EE
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<MrZYX> well, what do you need it for in the view?
<kaneda^> i just want to pretty print the same info i had before, as an exercise to test out templating
<kaneda^> i could just as easily make an ERB object on the fly and do it in the url dispatcher, but this feels wrong
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<MrZYX> well, then as always
<MrZYX> show code
<kaneda^> yep, one sec :)
<BonSequitur> Is there some way of splitting a long interpolated string into multiple lines in the source file while keeping it a single line?
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<r0bgleeson> kesor: cool, i dont have time to look at the code but im glad it works.
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<kesor> r0bgleeson: was simpler than I thought actually.
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<kesor> onward making a similar thing for my net::ssh wrapper … :)
<ironfroggy> as a non-ruby coder, i have no idea what syntax is valid in what ruby versions. can anyone tell me "config.vm.network :private_network, ip: "33.33.33.10"" is something i should expect to not work in 1.8 versus 1.9?
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<kaneda^> MrZYX: http://pastie.org/private/mzyn4izapahkjzc0znsva <-- sorry for the delay
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<kesor> ironfroggy: no, the ip: thing should be :ip => "33.33.33.33.10" for ruby 1.8
<kesor> ironfroggy: also, download vagrant installer and use that. it comes with its own ruby so you wont need to mess with it.
<MrZYX> ironfroggy: yes and support for 1.8 will end shortly, so switch to 1.9 if it throws an error at you
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<ppppaul> how do i pdf on heroku?
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<ironfroggy> thank you
<lectrick> So I was thinking. What if every object in all of Ruby... *knew how to test itself?*
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<ironfroggy> i have just been trying to use whatever versions ubuntu was currently at, since i don't know ruby toolchains well enough to make any decision on it my own
<lectrick> So you could call Object#test and it would run its own unit test code.
<kesor> lectrick: type checking kind of testing? :)
<kesor> ironfroggy: download the vagrant installer for ubuntu.
<kaneda^> bbiaf
<lectrick> kesor: That's the same darn argument someone else here made when I proposed that... darn haskell gluttons
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<MrZYX> kaneda^: <% doesn't output anything, it's for control structures, use <%= to embed the return value into the template
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<solrize> python had doctest but it never really caught on
<solrize> erlang has something like haskell's quickcheck and it works ok even though erlang is latent-typed like ruby
<lectrick> interesting
<solrize> though erlang has some imprecise type inference tools like dialyzer
<aedorn> Hmm... how does one right a system to interface two systems together, in which system B to C is done with XML/SOAP, and the schema of XML/SOAP cannot be gotten and a test environment cannot be given? Should I call a psychic?
<aedorn> right=write ... dear lord, I'm losing it.
<solrize> look at the soap messages and figure out the schema, it's usually straightforward
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<lectrick> aedorn: lol at "call a psychic"
<aedorn> solrize: No access to the system until delivery
<solrize> ask for sample messages
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<aedorn> They won't give us any
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<aedorn> Don't worry, it's a rhetoric question =p
<solrize> oh
<aedorn> rhetorical..... I need to learn English again.
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<aedorn> I've been reading forums too much, and have seen my ability to write (or type) sentences go down the drain.
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<kaneda^> MrZYX: oh, that's just like in django, i misread the erb doc, thanks
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<kaneda^> MrZYX: worked immediately, thanks
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<thoraxe> i'm having a tough time figuring out how to use nokogiri. In the following xml, i'm trying to figure out the parent element (vm)'s ID if i search by the name. i can't seem to begin to wrap my head around the search function
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<adit> hidenori: diving into the deep end, eh? Most people wouldn't choose Haskell as their first language :)
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<adit> Kaidelong: yes
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<thoraxe> or better yet, how would you look for a particular value of an element with nokogiri
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<usrnix> hi, is rvm still the choice for managing ruby installs?
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<objectivemo> usrnix: I believe rvm and rbenv to be the two most commonly used.
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<postmodern> usrnix, you can also just use the package manager's rubies
<postmodern> usrnix, or use ruby-build + chruby
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<usrnix> ok thanks
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<platzhirsch1> Anyone using Ruby with tire to access ElasticSearch? Can't find a convenient way in their source code to get from a Tire::Results::Item the corresponding Persistence model object
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<jarray52> How does one call a method from the base class in an inherited class? The method's name is not the same; so, I can't use super.
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<apeiros> jarray52: you just call the method by name
<apeiros> methods are inherited too
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<jarray52> apeiros: Thanks
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<reactormonk> jarray52, isn't that more or less the definition of inheritance?
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<jokke> hey, is there a shortcut for creating private attr_readers?
<jokke> sorry writers
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<jokke> i mean something like private; attr_reader :attr; public
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<jokke> i know this sounds stupid because i could just use @attr
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<jokke> but i need to access the variable from a class method
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<jokke> in rails i would have read_attribute
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<apeiros> class Module; def read_attribute(*attrs); attr_reader *attr; private *attr; end; end
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<jokke> private *attr; ?
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<jokke> face -> desk
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<apeiros> o0
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<jokke> why am i getting NameError: uninitialized constant Singleton
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<jokke> oh i need to require it
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<jokke> how can i rescue ctrl-d ?
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<apeiros> ctrl-d doesn't raise an exception
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<apeiros> @ jokke
<jokke> oh
<musl> jokke: It sends EOF :)
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<jokke> musl: yes i know that
<jokke> but hm
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<apeiros> certain methods will raise an exception when you tried to read after eof
<jokke> if i wait for user input and get ctrl-d?
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<musl> gets will return nil
<apeiros> depends on the method you use
<apeiros> how about you try it?
<apeiros> and see what happens?
<apeiros> your computer won't explode from that, I promise
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<solrize> rubyquiz.com is gone :((((((