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<jaybe> lol. working through guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started and giggling like a schoolgirl. and feeling like an ignorant chump for continuing to deal and haggle with certain other bloated, unfriendly, unhelpful technologies forever. wheeeeeeee!!
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<unstable> I have a question that's not about ruby. Though it's very low volume right now so I don't think people will mind. I'm using the yelp/google maps api in some project I'm making for fun. The yelp api gives me these business images that are 100x100 pixels. They're often poor quality and very low resolution. On their website for the same business they have nice user generated content graphics that are high resolutions/pretty.
<unstable> If I use nokogiri and just scrape the nice images to be used in my app.. is that generally a no no? to hot link to a graphic say. Or is it likely it will work fine.. and no one will care/notice.
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<unstable> I wouldn't be surprised if it's against some terms of service somewhere. Though if it works.. I don't care that much. I have a working api key with yelp.
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<reppardw> hello people
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<pzula> hello hello
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<pzula> what's a good book for beginning ruby?
<sam113101> The Well-Grounded Rubyist
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<pzula> sam113101: and it is still a relevant start?
<pzula> (not outdated)?
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<hornairs> good evening felloy Ruby enthusiasts!
<hornairs> does anyone know if there is a way to ask Pysch in 2.0.0 to deal with unknown tags without raising?
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<hornairs> there used to be a thing called Syck::Object which Syck used to use to wrap unkown classes and still return something useful, but Pysch just barfs
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<bigmac> i have a question about 'linux shim library'... could this technique work with a game.exe running under wine and then with ruby
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<reactormonk> bigmac, huh?
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<lewix> @_current_user ||= session[:current_user_id] && User.find(session[:current_user_id])
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<lewix> which operator takes precedence
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<heneusl_pay> the 11th Jasynth
<heneusl_pay> they shall bring to it the glories and treasures of the nations
<heneusl_pay> tune in
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<shevy> heneusl_pay go away
<shevy> am I the only one to find Readline module hard to use?
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<heneusl_pay> damn mormons
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<heneusl_pay> butchering Exodus
<heneusl_pay> be careful
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<heneusl_pay> listening to logosradio.info
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<darrik> lewix: && binds more tightly
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<darrik> lewix: i.e. that should do what you expect (i guess if you expect what i expect you expect)
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<passerine> shevy, what about Readline? I've somehow managed to not notice Readline till now, I guess. Maybe I'm missing out.
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<lewix> darrik: walk me through what you expect
<darrik> lewix: @_current_user to end up nil in the event of !session.has_key?(:current_user_id) or a User object
<darrik> lewix: I also expect it to raise an exception in the event that session.has_key?(:current_user_id) but that id is no longer valid
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<lewix> I see. thanks
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<lewix> darrik: damn rails
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<zer0-day> Could not find gem 'em-websocket (~> 0.3.6) ruby' in the gems available on this machine.
<zer0-day> i just installed with gem install em-websocket and is the 0.5.0 , but system cant detect it
<zer0-day> any suggestion ?
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<MrZYX> zer0-day: run bundle install. ~> says it wants >= 0.3.6 & < 0.4.0
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<zer0-day> gem install bundle you mean
<MrZYX> hm, no. that output isn't generated by some bundle exec command?
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<zer0-day> ok i got you know, ty
<zer0-day> $bundle install you mean, sorry xD
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<survili> Hi all, I'm having issue understanding variable scope in ruby. Can anyone explain me why I need to make instance variable in this example ? https://gist.github.com/survili/8bd91287c74fcb9e0d91
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<MrZYX> because you're inside an object already, try running p self, self.class, and method definitions don't inherit the local variables from the parent context
<MrZYX> consider using a new class or passing it in as a parameter though
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<survili> MrZYX, I still don't get it, p self inside main method writes "main" and outside it gives error that self is nil. why self is nil outside of the method, and how come inside method it has self ?
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<MrZYX> hm it is?
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<MrZYX> what ruby version are you on?
<shevy> passerine I dunno, the documentation and the API is so annoying :(
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<shevy> I am starting to wonder why the documentation in ruby sucks so much
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<shevy> my new theory is that a complex language leads to complex APIs
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<tobiasvl> survili: self is nil outside the method because there's no class/object wrapped around the method
<tobiasvl> what would you expect self to be there??
<tobiasvl> survili: and self is 'main' inside the method because that's what the method is called ...
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<tobiasvl> remember, in ruby, methods are objects too
<tobiasvl> survili: here's a good explanation for why the local variable isn't available inside the method: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9671259/ruby-local-variable-is-undefined
<tobiasvl> a local variable in ruby is strictly local, and only accessible in the scope it's defined in. they're very local.
<MrZYX> >> self
<eval-in> MrZYX => main (http://eval.in/21539)
<MrZYX> you're always inside an object
<shevy> tobiasvl, that was nice :D
<shevy> a local variable is very local :D
<tobiasvl> hehe
<MrZYX> >> def foo; p self; end; foo
<eval-in> MrZYX => main ... (http://eval.in/21540)
<survili> tobiasvl, thank you
<MrZYX> tobiasvl: why isn't self foo here then?
<tobiasvl> well
<tobiasvl> yeah sorry
<tobiasvl> but:
<tobiasvl> >> p self
<eval-in> tobiasvl => main ... (http://eval.in/21551)
<tobiasvl> so it prints self
<tobiasvl> and returns nil
<tobiasvl> survili: maybe you were looking at the return value of p?
<tobiasvl> 18>> p self
<eval-in> tobiasvl => main ... (http://eval.in/21559)
<survili> MrZYX, I use ruby 1.9.3
<MrZYX> >> ret = p self; ret
<eval-in> MrZYX => main ... (http://eval.in/21561)
<MrZYX> p returns the value it prints, puts doesn't
<MrZYX> survili: so I'm not sure how you managed to get a nil self
<tobiasvl> irb(main):007:0> p self
<tobiasvl> main
<tobiasvl> => nil
<tobiasvl> on 1.8.7
<MrZYX> 19>> ret = p self; ret
<eval-in> MrZYX => main ... (http://eval.in/21563)
<MrZYX> hm
<charliesome> >> nil.instance_eval { self }
<eval-in> charliesome => nil (http://eval.in/21564)
<MrZYX> yeah, well, I doubt he did that ;D
<tobiasvl> hehehe
<tobiasvl> ANYWAY
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<joesavage> I need to write some raw binary data into a file via Ruby, but after some research I'm still really none the wiser how to do this. Does anyone have any suggestions on converting integers like '256' into a binary representation and then writing this raw data into a file?
<tobiasvl> what exactly do you want to achieve?
<tobiasvl> raw binary data?
<tobiasvl> you can check out marshaling: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/Marshal.html
<tobiasvl> joesavage: ^
<joesavage> I'm creating a basic flat file datastore and want to do this as efficiently as possible, so essentially I have a whole bunch of numbers which I want to be writing as bytes to the file (much more efficient than writing the string "256" to the file or whatever)
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<charliesome> joesavage: Array#pack
<charliesome> >> ["256".to_i].pack("L<")
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<charliesome> wtf where is that bot
<joesavage> charliesome: I had a brief look at 'pack', but dismissed it as it was an array method which seemed inappropriate -- I'll take a further look at it now
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<charliesome> joesavage: basically the L means unsigned 32 bit integer
<charliesome> joesavage: the < means little endian
<charliesome> >> ["256".to_i].pack("L<")
<eval-in> charliesome => "\0\x01\0\0" (http://eval.in/21575)
<charliesome> wtfff where are you bot
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<LennyLinux> It's Sunday
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<joesavage> charliesome: This seems like it's a great solution here, thanks! Is there any easy way to output that raw data after the 'pack' to check it's actually the value I was expecting? (puts isn't doing the job so great..)
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<charliesome> joesavage: you can call #inspect on the string
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<charliesome> joesavage: or use 'p str' which is basically 'puts str.inspect'
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<roryhughes> hey
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<joesavage> charliesome: You're a lifesaver, it worked a treat -- thanks!
<charliesome> joesavage: np
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<LAUR1K> #PCW
<matti> PCW?
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<LAUR1K> #5ON5
<matti> Peace Chocolate Whiskey?
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<Khazix> aren't line 5 and 6 suppose to be the same thing? http://justpaste.me/view/43
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<Spooner> Khazix, No, be because in Ruby 0 is NOT false.
<Spooner> It is an idiom from Python/Perl/etc, not Ruby.
<Khazix> Oh, right.
<waxjar> be careful with not, or and and instead of !, || and && khazix, they work differently
<Spooner> Khazix, Only false and nil are "falsy" in Ruby. Everything else is "truthy".
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<Khazix> Thanks! waxjar, will google that, thanks too.
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<Spooner> waxjar, You could argue it either way (be careful of !||&&; they operate differently than and/or/not ;P).
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<waxjar> true, depends a bit on where you come from
<MrZYX> Spooner: though most people expect the behavior of && and not the one of and
<MrZYX> etc
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<Spooner> I know people expect them to be the same, but usually the argument from that is to only use the symbols, not the words, which is believe is not entirely logical.
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<waxjar> i guess it's mostly a readability thing
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<Spooner> I feel, to some extent, that words are more Rubyish, since they allow you to use methods without parentheses ('if fish :paste and fish :pie' rather than 'if fish(:paste) && fish(:pie)')
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<Spooner> But still, it is a true Ruby horror that they operate differently just for the sake of it ;)
<MrZYX> lets conduct an experiment: Khazix what do you think a = true; b = false; ([false, nil].include? a and b) returns?
<waxjar> that's one of the few situations i use them, to make a 2 line method a readable one-liner :P
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<Khazix> MrZYX, false
<Khazix> ?
<MrZYX> yeah, right. can you explain why?
<Khazix> order of precedence?
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<MrZYX> so you know the difference between and and && already, thx anyway
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<Khazix> oh, that's the only difference?
<MrZYX> yup
<MrZYX> [false, nil].include? a && b would return true
<Spooner> Yeah, [false, nil].include?(a && b) vs [false, nil].include?(a) and b (being how they are parsed)
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<Kurion> Hi can someone help me, pastebin.com/eAd2shqs
<Kurion> For some odd reason I'm getting an error saying I cannot use this 'private' method
<Kurion> However the code is exactly how it's typed in the book
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<Mon_Ouie> Can you paste the exact error?
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<saward> Hi. I'm experiencing a wierdness with a set which contains a hash. I do myset.each do |obj| (where obj is a hash), then obj["some_key"] += 1, then anotherset.add obj. Then, when I loop over anotherset, the hash that's in it does not match the has in myset
<saward> Why would these hashes be different?
<Kurion> Yes, pastebin.com/nghbee6x
<Mon_Ouie> saward: Modifying objects that are in a set doesn't work well
<Mon_Ouie> Because it changes their hash value
<Mon_Ouie> (Similarly modifying the keys of a hash doesn't work)
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<saward> Something in the back of my mind tells me I've read something about this before, but I don't remember...
<Mon_Ouie> saward: Do you know how a hash table works?
<saward> Mon_Ouie, only *very* crudely, so no, not really
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<Mon_Ouie> Keys are mapped to integers using a hashing function (the #hash method in Ruby). That gives you, basically, an index in an array to access the key without having to look at all the others.
<Mon_Ouie> So if the key object is mutated, its hash will be changed but it is still stored at the same place in the array (the same bucket)
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<saward> Ok thanks, I'll give something else a try, and look more into that too
<Mon_Ouie> Kurion: I tried your code and it does work. There must be something else.
<Kurion> That's odd...
<Mon_Ouie> (the line numbers don't match in your error, so it looks like there's something above)
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<Kurion> Oh I didn't print the whole code, let me do that
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<Kurion> pastebin.com/kRur9mYj
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<Kurion> Hm now it's giving me a syntax error
<Mon_Ouie> Still fine. What ruby version are you running?
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<Kurion> Hmm, I'm not too sure, I used sudo apt-get install ruby
<saward> Mon_Ouie, thanks again for your help. I need to head off
<Mon_Ouie> Type ruby -v to see it
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<Kurion> 1.9.3p194
<Mon_Ouie> That sounds like it should be fine.
<Mon_Ouie> (The syntax error probably has to do with the '~'s at the end.
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<Kurion> Hmm one moment, I need to fix the code I have. copy and paste has kind of messed with it.
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<Kurion> It works!
<Kurion> That's odd I wonder what was up with that.
<Kurion> Heh, thanks for testing it out for me. TBQH if I hadn't known it should've worked I would've been chasing a wild logical error that didnt exist.
<Kurion> Most likely a syntax error
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<bijumon> hi, I have posts nested inside sites, sites -> posts, instead of doing Sites.find_each, I want or query recently updates 'n' posts from All sites, can u help?
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<MrZYX> bijumon: -> #RubyOnRails
<bijumon> MrZYX: mhm, I keep asking q there, so far they've been soo helpful :(
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<bijumon> MrZYX: do u got any clue about this m8? :)
<MrZYX> I'm not sure I understand the question
<MrZYX> Post.order('updated_at DESC').limit(n) ?
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<apeiros> bijumon: cross posting without stating that you cross-post is rude.
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<shevy> ack, ruby on rails infiltration!
<shevy> raise the shields!
<shevy> pew pew pew laser counter attack!
<bijumon> MrZYX: i dont have resources :posts
<MrZYX> :P
<shevy> we are the ruby borg
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<MrZYX> bijumon: you're confusing routes with models
<shevy> your syntactic differences will be assimilated
<bijumon> shevy: thou shall love thy frameworks
<shevy> bijumon not rails, no
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<shevy> it's like its own language
<shevy> rails 5.0
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<bijumon> mediko: yea but if i put resources :posts in routes, users can access /posts/post-name right? i dont want that
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<bijumon> damn that prev tell was to MrZYX
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<MrZYX> if you don't want that then don't do it
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<bijumon> MrZYX: so I can do Post.order from inside sites#index?
<MrZYX> sure thing
<MrZYX> I'd suggest you invest the $20 and do the basic courses at codeschool, you got some fundamental misconceptions there
<guardian> hello, is there a oneliner that would split an array in two equal parts? something like lhs, rhs = <split array in two halves>
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<shevy> guardian yeah
<phacele55> can someone check out this error for me ? i need some help http://pastebin.com/KfCn2CGw
<apeiros> guardian: array guaranteed to be of non-odd size?
<guardian> well I mostly don't care about +1 or −1 in lhs or rhs in fact
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<apeiros> lhs,rhs = ary[0,ary.length/2], ary[(ary.length/2)..-1]
<bijumon> MrZYX: omg, jeez, i didnt know that
<guardian> so splitting at length / 2 is fine, whatever length is
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<guardian> thank you
<shevy> hmm I think there was another way
<bijumon> MrZYX: wow, ima go do the codeschool thing, which ones? rails for zombies?
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<shevy> rails for junkies
<apeiros> phacele55: sounds like pg is either not installed, not installed with dev tools, or not found
<MrZYX> bijumon: do as much as you have time for, I'd suggest that one and the ruby one at minimum
<MrZYX> lhs, rhs = ary.each_slice(ary.size/2).to_a (untested)
<apeiros> should work, but will miss one for odd-sized arrays
<shevy> oh yeah
<shevy> .each_slice it was
<shevy> [1,2,3,4,5,6].each_slice(2) {|slice| p slice} # => [1, 2], [3, 4], [5, 6]
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<shevy> hmm
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<bijumon> MrZYX: when I use @post from inside sites@index, how do I specify the route? it says undefined post_path :(
<shevy> array = [1,2,3,4,5,6]; array.each_slice(array.size / 2) {|slice| p slice}
<shevy> [1, 2, 3]
<shevy> [4, 5, 6]
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<MrZYX> bijumon: run rake routes, it'll print you the path helper names
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<MrZYX> a, *b = ary.slice(ary.size/2).to_a; b.flatten!
<MrZYX> not really a one liner anymore :P
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<bijumon> MrZYX: figured it out [post.site, post], this ok right?
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<apeiros> MrZYX: also broken for nested arrays
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<bijumon> MrZYX: <%= link_to post.title, [post.site, post] %>
<apeiros> flatten is almost always misused.
<bijumon> MrZYX: ty for the tip <3
<apeiros> almost always people want flatten(1) when they write flatten.
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<DaniG2k> guys I'm wondering why is it that if I do require 'myfile' I'm being told that LoadError: cannot load such file
<apeiros> DaniG2k: because no file named 'myfile.rb' was in any of the directories listed in $LOAD_PATH
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<apeiros> note that '.' (current working dir) is NOT in $LOAD_PATH
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<DaniG2k> i'm doing it from irb
<apeiros> same
<DaniG2k> and I've cd'ed into the proper directory
<DaniG2k> it doesnt seem to be loading the file from the directory I'm in
<shevy> DaniG2k put '.' $LOAD_PATH into your irbrc
<DaniG2k> is there something equivalent to Python's import that just imports a file even from the current directory?
<apeiros> DaniG2k: again: 15:31 apeiros: note that '.' (current working dir) is NOT in $LOAD_PATH
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<apeiros> irb -I.
<apeiros> or within irb: $LOAD_PATH << File.expand_path('.')
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<apeiros> both will add . to $LOAD_PATH.
<DaniG2k> ah ok
<DaniG2k> that worked, thanks
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<MrZYX> or use require_relative
<apeiros> ew
<apeiros> for one-offs, ok. otherwise: ew.
<MrZYX> do you have a write up why require_relative is bad?
<MrZYX> never saw one
<apeiros> it's simple: knowledge of what is where does not belong into a library.
<apeiros> application and framework level: ok
<apeiros> library level: not ok
<MrZYX> but how is it different from to adding . to $LOAD_PATH?
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<apeiros> if you add . in your library to load path? nothing. then you're doing it the same wrong.
<apeiros> your application (or framework) should set up the load path. from then on, your requires should just work.
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<MrZYX> mkay
<apeiros> in most cases, rubygems will already set up the load path
<apeiros> the biggest off-case is "I develop a gem"
<MrZYX> I don't think we should assume by default that people are writing libs here
<apeiros> i.e., the gem is not installed and thus rubygems will not have its lib dir in load path
<MrZYX> yeah, to solve that I use bundler :P
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<apeiros> yes, we should. in every application, application level code is the total minority
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<apeiros> in a well done application, it should be something below 10-20 lines.
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<MrZYX> hm, I'll still prefer require_relative over adding . to the $LOAD_PATH though, global modification vs local, isolated one
<apeiros> i.e., a good application will look something like `#!/usr/bin/env ruby; require 'myapp/cli`; MyApp::CLI.run(ARGV)`
<shevy> death to require_relative!
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<shevy> imagine if python would have
<shevy> import_this
<apeiros> MrZYX: fallacy IMO
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<apeiros> it's not a modification. it's an env setup. ruby does part of it. your app the rest. if the load path is part of it, so be it.
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<apeiros> (loading a library is a "global modification" too - you add constants, classes etc.)
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<MrZYX> okay, bad example, but still widely used: rails generates things like require File.expand_path('../boot', __FILE__) which is essentially reinventing require_relative's implementation
<apeiros> correct. and rails is a bad role model there.
<apeiros> actually not just there. but lets not get into that :D
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<MrZYX> so the proper way would be adding the config/ directory to the $LOAD_PATH?
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<apeiros> hell no
<apeiros> but what the heck does a "boot.rb" in a config? :)
<MrZYX> it sets up, one could say configures, the environment
<apeiros> meh
<MrZYX> only loads bundler by default, but still....
<apeiros> also, ever read the boot.rb? it's totally unecessary.
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<MrZYX> well, then lets take require File.expand_path('../application', __FILE__) for the sake of the example
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<apeiros> yeah, that's require_relative. no point in using that over require_relative.
<apeiros> but that's not being my point.
<apeiros> my point is about knowledge of where is what. and that does not belong into a library. the tool used to achieve it does not matter.
<apeiros> (well, "no point" unless you want - for whatever reason - stay compatible with 1.8 - but I guess that's not what we're arguing)
<MrZYX> I still think totally banning require_relative will only lead to constructs like this, I see them a lot
<MrZYX> I don't want to say the usage of it wouldn't be a code smell
<apeiros> you see it a lot because people don't understand $LOAD_PATH
<MrZYX> but there are some rare cases where it's the better alternative
<apeiros> and people who did not understand $LOAD_PATH and used bad constructs spread those bad constructs.
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<apeiros> I don't say there's absolutely no use for require_relative. but some 99% where it is being used, it is the wrong tool.
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<MrZYX> which brings us back to the start, why teaching about -I. and $LOAD_PATH.push '.' but not about require_relative
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<apeiros> sometimes it's also laziness ("what? I should run `ruby -Ilib` while developing? feck that, I'll just relatively require all my stuff instead" - awesome)
<MrZYX> I think the usecases for adding . to the $LOAD_PATH are even rarer than the ones for using require_relative
<apeiros> depends on what you count
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<apeiros> I use ruby -Ilib all the time. since I'm developing libs all the time.
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<MrZYX> sure, but that's very different from -I. IMO and not the point currently
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<apeiros> it's the same mechanic. and I teach the mechanic.
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<Hanmac1> MrZYX: i think its because about the whinies that still wants to use 1.8 ruby
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<MrZYX> maybe they do magic there but a fresh generated rails app uses 1.9 hash syntax
<roryhughes> Is there much speed/performance improvment with ruby 2.0 over 1.9?
<MrZYX> if you require a lot of libraries, yes
<MrZYX> but mainly in boot time
<roryhughes> But for pure number crunching? (I already use 2, but just curious)
<Xeago> apeiros: Array.flstten smells imo
<apeiros> hey, howdi Xeago!
<apeiros> Xeago: yeah, feeling the same
<apeiros> that one I can't really explain, though :)
<shevy> I would hate .flstten as well
* apeiros flsttens shevy
<apeiros> Xeago: up for a game today?
<Xeago> got my right hand in plaster :\
<apeiros> d'oh
<shevy> what did you do with your right hand
<Xeago> about 2 weeks now
<Xeago> stumbled..
<apeiros> :-S
<apeiros> too bad… wanted to try something wrt cannon rushes
<Xeago> stumbled over keys against the stairs
<apeiros> get well soon then!
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<Xeago> might be able to get a trackball mouse soon
<Xeago> not sure how well that will go tho, at least I can mpuse with my right hand then
<Xeago> luckily there be lots of streams this weekend =D
<apeiros> you mouse with your left hand?
<apeiros> yeah, I'm watching 2 simultaneously atm :D
<Xeago> no, can't move my arm quickly enough, can move my thumb over a ball tho
<Xeago> website navigation is decent using a trackpad
<Xeago> what are you watching besides SCA?
<apeiros> I watch a german tournament
<Xeago> ah, scheiße!
<apeiros> they managed to attract even some top level korean players
<apeiros> next one they have $10k for the winner alone
<Xeago> :O cool! wcs europe having too awful casters for me
<Xeago> wow, that is good money
<apeiros> well, the casters are not the best - but very entertaining :D
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<apeiros> yeah. last one they had an off-line finals (will have this time too) with some 2k spectators
<Xeago> some cool stuff, missed out dreamhack cuz of the fracture :\
<Xeago> had a ticket but couldn't go
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<apeiros> whaaaat? that's sad :(
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<Xeago> was able to sell the ticket with profit last moment tho
<apeiros> I wanted to buy tickets for the wcs finals. but as I understood, that's in the US this year, so no-go for me =(
<Xeago> is it?
<apeiros> beijing last year would have been awesome. but missed to buy there…
<Xeago> thought it was in korea
<apeiros> I thought they said it would be at blizzcon?
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<Xeago> I don't know
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<apeiros> tbh, I find information about where stuff happens at wcs far too difficult to find
<apeiros> poorly done by blizzard IMO
<Xeago> I agree, did you read the stuff about mlg/miya/genna?
<apeiros> "running from April 4 through the weekend of November 8, when it all caps off with the WCS Global Finals at BlizzCon 2013"
<Xeago> tough decisions genna made there
<apeiros> no, what happened?
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<Xeago> miya was told at 10:30 PM (after their gstl win against prime) the next match would have been on may 6th 4:30AM
<Xeago> all matches on MLG would have been on may 5th
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<Xeago> so miya could have spotted it
<Xeago> at 2:30 AM (KST)
<Xeago> miya was messaged, but not present, that the next match was in 2 hours on may5th 4:30am
<apeiros> "BlizzCon 2013 - November 8-9, 2013 at the Anaheim Convention Center"
<Xeago> miya obviously asleep did not receive the message
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<Xeago> miya got WO'ed into the loser bracket, and won the match there
<Xeago> the original opponent was 1-1 against the next person in the WB
<Xeago> and this is 4 hours after schedule
<Xeago> MLG wanted to reverse everything back, genna told them to stick to the rules and instead devote attention to making sure these wrongful communications don[t happen again
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<apeiros> what does WO stand for btw.? (I understand it means "auto-win because opponent did not show up or got disqualified", but I don't know the words used)
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<apeiros> ah, WalkOver it seems
<Xeago> didn't know it either, until I read the article
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<apeiros> sad that the elite toss CPU does not have a cannon rush strategy to choose from :(
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<Kurion> Hi guys can someone help me with an error message. pastebin.com/d0a0xka1
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<_br_> Kurion: Its waiting for your input, see e.g. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/1367
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<_br_> Sinatra problem... Trying to pass in variables from config.ru into sinatra (Sinatra::Base) but they seem only avaiable in the e.g. before scope or later, but not in the configure block? Any idea why that is so?
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<Roots47> Hey all, I'm having an issue where an integer variable exists prior to a while loop, but is gone for the loop expression, which is causing the loop to run every time. Here's a pastie http://pastie.org/7804596
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<Roots47> refer to lines 4-7
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<KevinSjoberg> I would really like some help or pointers to the right direction. I'm trying to implement a DSL-like behaviour but fail. See https://gist.github.com/KevinSjoberg/5521070. Any ideas how to achieve that?
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<apeiros> Roots47: gets returns a string. always.
<Roots47> apeiros ah ok
<apeiros> (gets == get string)
<Roots47> apeiros: Also, another weird thing, is that the print from within loop is not displaying guess
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<apeiros> o0
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<apeiros> Roots47: does for me
<Roots47> apeiros: If I make the line say print "#{guess.to_i} is not equal to #{randomNumber}, please enter a new guess: " it works
<Roots47> :\
<Roots47> what version of ruby are you using?
<apeiros> Roots47: but notice that gets includes the newline
<Roots47> I see that, I would have to use chomp to get rid of it
<apeiros> so the output is e.g. "9\n is not …"
<Roots47> oh
<apeiros> i.e., it's on a separate line
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<Roots47> ahh
<slash_nick> the puts in the loop works fine for me?
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<Roots47> Ok, it works... sorry, this is literally my first 20 minutes with ruby
<apeiros> np
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<Roots47> thanks for the help :)
<slash_nick> Roots47: neato have fun
<apeiros> yw ;-)
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<phacele55> ERROR: Error installing json:
<phacele55> ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
<phacele55> help me lol
<phacele55> please, and a pre-thank you
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<apeiros> phacele55: while I probably can't help you anyway - you will have to provide more information than just "it failed"
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<MrZYX> it'll likely be missing dev headers for libjson though
<apeiros> probably
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<phacele55> any ideas?
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<apeiros> phacele55: let me guess - you installed ruby using apt?
<phacele55> yep
<apeiros> I'm inclined to tell you to go to #debian or #ubuntu or whatever channel is responsible for apt
<phacele55> so its not a ruby issue?
<apeiros> since they fucked it up. they fail to do a proper ruby installation with apt-get ruby
<apeiros> not really. it's an "incomplete ruby installation" issue.
<apeiros> you're missing mkmf
<waxjar> don't people just google the error message anymore? :(
<phacele55> yeah i figured i was missing a library
<waxjar> works everytime :D
<MrZYX> hm, wasn't there ruby-full or something like that which improves things?
<apeiros> MrZYX: you mean the one which also installs emacs and whatnot? :)
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<phacele55> and actually i did google it and tried the entire first page of explanations, and i'm still here
<MrZYX> who cares :P
<waxjar> fair enough
<apeiros> MrZYX: anyway, it's the wrong way round. "install ruby" should install a complete ruby. if you want a light-weight "interpreter only" package, name that one differently.
<apeiros> for anything else you should be flayed.
<MrZYX> yeah and if you want a decent one use a version manager, I know
<apeiros> well, apt is a package manager already. but the packagers (i.e. the people providing the packages) fail IMO.
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<MrZYX> that's why I love arch, so easy to hack and adapt the packages without polluting your system with sudo make installs
<phacele55> well when you download a package you expect it to be complete, so that people like me don't end up here so i would have to agree
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<robonerd> hi any blind ppl here?
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<phacele55> apeiros: got any ideas? I could try another page of google, i suppose but all the "fixes" don't really fix
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<apeiros> phacele55: well, ask in #debian or #ubuntu on how to install a complete ruby, i.e. one with dev headers and mkmf.
<MrZYX> did you try installing ruby-full?
<waxjar> did the apt install ruby-dev thing not work?
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<apeiros> I don't know apt and I don't want to either.
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<MrZYX> apeiros: what's your distro?
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<phacele55> lol i will try ruby-full
<apeiros> MrZYX: osx
<apeiros> I install ruby via rvm
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<phacele55> ok i just got the same exact error but with pg instead of json
<robonerd> any jews in here? (real jews, hebrew speakers)
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<waxjar> seems like you're missing some build tools phacele55
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<phacele55> lol yeah gonna hop in #debian and see if they know why
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<slash_nick> what kind of question is that
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<shevy> robonerd this is #ruby, the programming language ruby
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<shevy> phacele55 it would be debian's responsibility to not have you use a crippled system
<robonerd> oh, i was looking for a gemstone cutter
<shevy> robonerd ironically, ruby's main package system is called "gem" and there is even a gem called "gemcutter" :P
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<robonerd> why is that ironic? ruby is a gem, and gems have been cut for thousands of years [by jews]
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<robonerd> the programming lang just rode the camel
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<shevy> robonerd well, to name a programming language after a mineral
<shevy> we also have python
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<shevy> and a unix binary called "cat"
<robonerd> hehe
<DouweM> `tail` as well
<robonerd> but srsly tho, any jews around?
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<shevy> robonerd there is shlevy, my brother-in-nick, he is usually on #nixos
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<robonerd> thanks
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<Mattix> Hello
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<Mattix> is there something like .methods for objects but just for those methods defined for its class?
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<Mattix> for example, I don't want :to_a to be in this list, since it's a "common" method
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<DouweM_> object.methods - Object.new.methods ?
<MrZYX> .methods(false) but I wonder what's your usecase if it isn't introspection
<DouweM_> although #to_a is not on Object
<Mattix> I'm talking about .methods in an instance of a class
<Mattix> Whatever.new.methods
<Mattix> MrZYX, the use case is: I want to know what methods a class defines because the documentation is incomplete :P
<MrZYX> there's pry for that! :P
<Mattix> yeah, I guess I could have used pry too
<MrZYX> ls object
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<shevy> rm object
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<MrZYX> dir object
<injekt> cat object
<shevy> love object
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<kraljev2> Why doesn't Set respond properly to #to_json ?
<Mattix> "object.methods false" returns []
<Mattix> o.o
<Mattix> I'm going to try with pry now
<MrZYX> then it doesn't define any methods on its own (probably just method_missing)
<MrZYX> which would explain why the docs are incomplete
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<platzhirsch> Having a class inside a module: Metrics::Accuracy (path model/metrics/accuracy.rb) I want to access a class at path model/workers/accuracy_worker.rb. But when I invoke Workers::AccuracyWorker, it complains, that there is no such constant Metrics::Workers::AccuracyWorker. Can I access the content of another module? ;)
<injekt> kraljev2: it does
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<Mattix> maybe it inherits from another class that defines the methods? in that case would .methods(false) list them?
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<MrZYX> it wouldn't
<kraljev2> irb(main):006:0> Set[1,2,3].to_json
<kraljev2> => "\"#<Set:0x0000000231f6a8>\""
<kraljev2> I have said properly :)
<DouweM_> platzhirsch ::Workers::AccuracyWorker
<injekt> oh right didn't see that part
<kraljev2> not #to_s fallback
<platzhirsch> DouweM_: ah great, thanks :)
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<DouweM_> kraljev2 #to_json isn't on Array, Hash either, it seems to be added by Rails
<DouweM_> kraljev2 No idea why Set was skipped
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<kraljev2> on Array and Hash it works properly
<kraljev2> I hate Rails
<injekt> DouweM_: yes it is, the json lib adds them to enumerable
<DouweM_> ah, sorry, I just checked the main docs :/ my bad guys
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<injekt> >> require 'json'; class A; include Enumerable; end; A.new.to_json
<eval-in> injekt => (http://eval.in/21753)
<kraljev2> Set is Enumerable, why doesn't it work?
<shevy> method_missing is devilish code
<injekt> kraljev2: because it expects rules
<injekt> ah no json adds to_json to way too much
<injekt> kraljev2: that's why
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<injekt> kraljev2: you could add one for set :)
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<kraljev2> I have added this to my app:
<kraljev2> def to_json(*)
<kraljev2> to_a.to_json
<kraljev2> end
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<injekt> yeah
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<kraljev2> Why doesn't Comparable alter #eql? method?
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<injekt> why would it?
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<kraljev2> if it rewrites ==, it should #eql? to
<kraljev2> although, i have to admit this is a little confusing to me.
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<apeiros> kraljev2: eql? and == have different purposes
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<apeiros> eql? is hash-key equality, == is order-equality (i.e., == returning true means <=> is 0)
<ekh> hello, in mac where can I find the path to the gems? I'd like to change the extconf.rb of a specific gem
<injekt> ekh: env | grep GEM
<ekh> no result, injekt
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<injekt> ekh: gem env
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<kraljev2> how could i easily add {propper_}{subset,superser} methods to Array?
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<kraljev2> *superset
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<kraljev2> If I have Something < Array
<kraljev2> how can i cast Array to Something?
<injekt> kraljev2: you can't you'd need to rebuild it, why dont you just make Something a module and extend your objects with the Something module
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<kraljev2> The problem is that operations between two Something objects
<apeiros> kraljev2: Something.new(array)
<kraljev2> return Array
<apeiros> no
<apeiros> >> class X < Array; end; x = X.new([1,2,3]); x.class
<eval-in> apeiros => X (http://eval.in/21775)
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<apeiros> >> class X < Array; end; x = X.new([1,2,3]); x[0]
<eval-in> apeiros => 1 (http://eval.in/21776)
<apeiros> don't be fooled by #inspect.
<apeiros> just because it looks like an array, it doesn't need to be one…
<kraljev2> >> class X < Array; end; (X[1,2 ] | X[3,7]).class
<eval-in> kraljev2 => Array (http://eval.in/21777)
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<kraljev2> how can I easily fix that back to X
<shevy> alright
<apeiros> dude… just read what I wrote.
<shevy> I believe I finally have a project where I must use tests
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<injekt> oO
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<Hanmac> imo inherit from the BaseClasses like Integer and Array is a little bit bad idea
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<waxjar> kraljev2, asking the same question again and again won't make it suddenly possible. the #| method on Array returns a new array object. if you inherit that method from the Array class, it will run that when you call #| on your new class. it will always return a new Array
<apeiros> a couple of Array methods return the subclass, though
<apeiros> one of them being Array#replace
<apeiros> Array#replace + Array::new make it relatively easy to implement a subclass
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<ravster> how can I get a list of all states for an AASM object?
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<ravster> the object.states method is returning with it doesn't exist.
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<apeiros> ravster: I'd assume that method to be on obj.class, not on obj.
<kousu> Hello #ruby. I'm giving myself a crash-course in ruby closures. Is there a way I can write a block with a yield in it so that I call it later?
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<kousu> I am trying to write a quick templating language--DSL really
<MrZYX> so you want to capture a block passed to a method?
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<kousu> That's what I was thinking
<MrZYX> def method a, b, c, &block # A passed block is converted to a proc and that is assigned to the local variable block
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<kousu> Yep. I have that. But how do I pass *another* block to &block?
<MrZYX> block = proc { "foo" }; my_method &block # On method invocation the & operator converts the passed proc to a block
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<kousu> I'll try that MrZYX, thanks
<MrZYX> or do you want to pass a block to a proc ?
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<ravster> apeiros: yeah, it was classname.aasm_states.
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<ravster> I need to do a pull request on their readme fiel
<ravster> *file
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<csmrfx> Do you think a jruby program would be able to handle an usb event and translate it to midi in less than 10 ms?
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<kousu> MrZYX, I have a prototype of what I'm trying to accomplish, if you (or anyone else) would be willing to take a look: http://pastebin.com/0HDcfSwB
<kousu> I'm stumped by " @renderer.call do |line|"
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<kousu> In python I would just store renderer as a function and call it at will, but Ruby doesn't do first class functions the same way. I think Ruby can be cleaner as a DSL for me, but I don't know what magic invocation I need :(
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<Mon_Ouie> kousu: do |&block| block.call end
<Mon_Ouie> That's because yield takes the block that was passed to the current method
<kousu> Mon_Ouie: inside of render or page?
<apeiros> kousu: Object#method can convert a method into a Method instance
<Mon_Ouie> In the page
<MrZYX> I wonder how ERB solves this
<Mon_Ouie> This allows def foo; 1.upto(10) { |x| yield(x) } end to not mess up
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<apeiros> how ERB solves what?
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<shevy> how ERB solves world peace
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<shevy> I always thought it is a reason for war
<shevy> :(
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<kousu> I want the page method to just store the content until it's ready to be used, Mon_Ouie
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<kousu> i'm either misunderstanding or neither of these things help me
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<kousu> I want to be able to conditionally render different text but I don't want to have to write all this cruft: class Page1 < Page def render yield "first line"; yield "second line"; yield "third"; end end
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<kousu> I am trying to avoid writing a method. I want to just stash a block
<kousu> Can ruby do this? Am I misunderstanding ruby closures really hard?
<Mon_Ouie> Then you have to use that syntax I mentioned
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<csmrfx> hm, ruby usb-to-midi -translator
<csmrfx> whatchamacallit
<kousu> Okay, Mon_Ouie, where do I put that?
<Mon_Ouie> page do |&block| … end
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<kousu> oohhhh, instead of saying yield
<Mon_Ouie> Or not using yield to send the lines (e.g. you could have an object with a #<< method to pass new lines)
<Mon_Ouie> This actually looks a lot like an Enumerator, you might take advantage of that.
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<Mon_Ouie> Enumerator.new { |y| y << "a" << "b" }.to_a # => ["a", "b"]
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* kousu reads up on ruby enumerators
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<waxjar> you'll love them
<kousu> oh, they're just like python generators
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<kousu> Yes, I think that is the right solution. Thanks! You're all darlings.
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<apeiros> what's a darling? I only know zergling…
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<kousu> apeiros: it's a term of endearment and affection
<kousu> #ruby helped me out and I am grateful
<kousu> I am doing a gamejam
<kousu> we have 3 hours :P
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<apeiros> kousu: I was just kidding ;-)
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<kousu> apeiros: oh, sorry. your name made me think you were latin american. but your ISP says .ch , oops :P
<kousu> i didn't want to be a jerk!
<apeiros> lol
<apeiros> apeiros is greek, not spanish ;-)
<apeiros> and .ch is switzerland (some people think it was china :-p)
<waxjar> hmm, what is china's tld?
<kousu> .cn
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<shevy> a zergling is a darling where, after sex, the claws rip through your stomach!
<matti> ?
<matti> That was deep, man.
* matti touched
<shevy> matti I like splatter and horror movies
<Hanmac> shevy a zergling compared with a dog is more cool as a pet ;P
<shevy> and best coupled with science fiction... alien I... predator I ... terminator I ...
<matti> Hanmac: I can imagine how much its poo has to smell/
<shevy> matti you are so gross
<Hanmac> but i think he is right ;P
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<shevy> he reads dog and instantly thinks about poo
<matti> No.
<apeiros> matti: yes, the claws go deep
<matti> Your fault.
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<matti> I did watched all the cinematics from SC2 on YT.
<matti> Nice story.
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<Hanmac> matti you should play magic the Gathering with a Simic deck .. one of the keycards has this as text: "Nature is a wonderful engineer but works far too slowly for my tastes."
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<shevy> matti should become a ruby pr0nstar
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<matti> shevy: Can't do.
<shevy> don't be shy :)
<matti> shevy: Taken by apeiros already
<shevy> he does not count
<shevy> he was gone for like 8 weeks
<apeiros> o0
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<apeiros> I'm a pr0nstar?
<apeiros> I think people like wycats and radar are ruby pr0nstars. not me.
<shevy> injekt was trying to fill the gap of knowledge on #ruby after apeiros' departure
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<apeiros> which departure?
<shevy> you were totally gone!
<shevy> you are probably back only for a few days, then you are gone again
<shevy> just like RubyPanther
<RubyPanther> I told you, I was never gone lol
<matti> apeiros: See, shevy has missed you.
<apeiros> I see
<apeiros> shevy: I was on vacation
<apeiros> while I organized internet, I didn't want to use it much.
<RubyPanther> sorry I'm busy reading Prenda Law filings
<shevy> matti well, you need to watch the activity pattern on #ruby and who is very prolific in answering when newbies ask questions, and apeiros is quite high on that list, so when he is gone, #ruby notices that
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<shevy> what is a prenda law
<shevy> sounds like panda law
<shevy> hahahaha :D
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<Xeago> there is a knowledge gap around 2-5AM GMT
<shevy> yeah
<Xeago> I've tried filling it a few times but failed miserable
<matti> shevy: I am always here, but since I am not Go fanboy.
<shevy> and late saturday it is very quiet here
<matti> shevy: I don't partake.
<matti> ;d
<matti> s/not/now/
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<shevy> Xeago, you have a destroyed hand so you can't help
<Xeago> I can type okay'ish
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<RubyPanther> A Prenda Law is a type of grue that lurks in the dark parts of torrent networks and lashes out at and through the courts
* Xeago yearns for the day Go gets hot-code-swap
<apeiros> speak recognition to the rescue
<apeiros> "move zergling army to the north!"
<apeiros> "no! not that far!"
<apeiros> splergh
<Xeago> or the eyeflicking system?
<Xeago> wonder how good it works
<shevy> RubyPanther your knowledge of such esoteric things scares me very much
<shevy> I fault the internet for that
<shevy> it brought to us all the worst parts of humanity
<matti> No.
<RubyPanther> Well, I've been reading groklaw since the first time they were mentioned on slashdot during the old SCO battles, so Prenda Law is mainstream entertainment to me
<shevy> the dark matter of youtube (80% of the videos at least!)
<Hanmac> shevy i make a big commit for my scripts, you can look over if you want
<shevy> Hanmac I need to wake up in about 6 hours :(
<Xeago> apeiros: what do you think of SCA so far?
<shevy> I am just chilling myself slowly to sleep...
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<Hanmac> it was just a notification, you can look over tomorrow
<apeiros> SCA?
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<Xeago> shoutcraft america
<apeiros> no idea what it is
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<Xeago> tournament hosted by totalbiscuit, american ladder invitational
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<lessless> why do I get undefined local variable or method `extract_astronauts_info' for NASA::ISS:Module for https://gist.github.com/dirty-hippie/e39e9f42c142c176deed ?
<lessless> if I call NASA::ISS.astronauts ?
<apeiros> Xeago: oh. didn't watch it. hence can't comment.
<apeiros> lessless: because you call an instance method from a class method
<apeiros> you can't call an instance method without actually calling it on an instance
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<apeiros> also your attr_accessor is on instance level too. it won't help you with the class-level @astronauts
<lessless> apeiros, I think I call class method from instance method...
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<apeiros> you don't. why do you think you do?
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<lessless> astronauts is instance method, while extract_astronauts_info is instance afaik
<apeiros> astronauts is a class method
<apeiros> def self.astronauts # self is the module ISS, you define it as a class method on ISS, hence ISS.astronauts
<lessless> lol, I confused this conceptions :)
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<apeiros> def extract_astronauts_info # that's defining an instance method in the current scope, and the current scope is the module ISS
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* Xeago likes the ISS!
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<apeiros> awesome, didn't know that about xkcd #1190: http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/
<lessless> apeiros, so, what are the options?
<lessless> make ISS a class? :|
<lessless> but I do not see it as a class
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<csmrfx> sudo pm-suspend
<csmrfx> aww oopsie!
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<shevy> ALL YOUR DARK SECRETS ARE MINE NOW
<shevy> *evil laugh here*
<shevy> *terrifying cough*
<shevy> *glass of water finally*
* kousu wants to laugh evilly too
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<MrZYX> def shevy.evil_laugh; raise NotImplementedError; end
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<apeiros> why does shevy laughing evilly remember me of butters?
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<kousu> lessless, are you working on http://spaceappschallenge.org/ ?
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<lessless> kousu, OMFG never heared of this b4!!
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<ladmae> a lo ru B ists
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<kousu> lessless, my friends had the winning entry in the first round, that's how i know about it
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<lessless> kousu, what app?
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<apeiros> lessless: re options - you could make all of them class methods. or you could make all of them module_function's
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<kousu> lessless: http://spaceappschallenge.org/project/waystation/ . I am suitably intimidated by how slick these hobos are.
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<lessless> apeiros, scond options is to make 'em instance methods?
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<lessless> kousu, great idea indeed... I was just playing with PhoneGap and decided to recreate a howmanypeopleareinspacerightnow.com
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<frzoic> Can anyone explain why this hash keeps getting converted to a Fixnum? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0cf27e3e129ace2baa4c
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<elektronaut> frzoic: you could also simplify it like this: https://gist.github.com/elektronaut/5522556
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