apeiros changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.0.0-p195: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p429) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
<bobdobbs> does this tell us anything?
<gf3> rubygems is out of date
<gf3> Which OS?
<bobdobbs> ubuntu
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<bobdobbs> how do I update it?
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<gf3> `gem update --system`
<gf3> But I doubt that'd cause the error you're running into
<bobdobbs> I think I did that yesterday
<bobdobbs> but I'll do it again now anyway
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<gf3> Odd
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<bobdobbs> gf3: toilet break. back in a moment...
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<bobdobbs> gf3: back
<kephra> bobdobbs, my suggestion: delete the ruby by apt-get remove - install ruby 2.0 from source
<kephra> this solved my problems I had with the way Debian (and Ubuntu) missmanages gems
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<bobdobbs> kephra: yeah. removing everything and starting from scratch sounds good
<bobdobbs> starting now, with --purge
<kephra> but you millage may vary - i tried 1.8.7 from apt, 1.9.3 from apt - and finally gave up and compiled from source
<kephra> my millage: 19 hours ;-(
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<bobdobbs> oh crap
<bobdobbs> damn
<bobdobbs> I've become sooo relient on sass
<bobdobbs> ok, I've purged
<bobdobbs> but here is the weird thing... I've still got a /usr/bin/ruby
<bobdobbs> maaaaaaaybe I did use a package manager... but if I did, I can't find a trace of it.
<bobdobbs> I guess I'll have to remove everything manually
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<gf3> RUH ROH
<bobdobbs> yeah, I know
<gf3> bobdobbs: I recommend rbenv + ruby_build to install 2.0
<bobdobbs> hmmm
<RiftyMcF3arless> getting to know chef-solo, coming along nicely, but i need to specify some values in my "json_attribs" file, and i have no idea what this means at this point. can somebody kindly point me in the right direction? is this an explicit path, or do i need to specify this in some config somewhere?
<bobdobbs> gf3: I started googling that before, when you initially told me about it.
<bobdobbs> I'll look into that... but first I'll try hunting down and wiping all rubybits from my system
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<kephra> one more suggestion, bobdobbs: the real server should be a minimal system, just able to start linux containers, and do firewall and routing of the containers
<bobdobbs> ok, I've remove all gems and all the ruby binaries.
<kephra> so restarting from scratch is just a matter of: rm -rf /var/lib/lxc/containername
<bobdobbs> kephra: where those comments for me?
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<bobdobbs> sounds like you are talking about virtualisation stuff. I'm just trying to get sass working
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<kephra> yes, and basically for everybody who plans to run a ruby app on a debian or ubuntu system
<bobdobbs> ok
<bobdobbs> thanks
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<kephra> bobdobbs, benefit of lxc are: easy setup, and 100% performance - lxc are pseudovirtualizations
<bobdobbs> lxc?
<kephra> lxc = linux containers
<bobdobbs> I see
<bobdobbs> I've got a bit of catching up to do on ruby, it seems.
<gf3> bobdobbs: Eh, I wouldn't worry about all that if you're just trying to run sass
<bobdobbs> gf3: well, eventually I'll be playing with rails. So I've made a mental note that I should figure out lxc stuff.
<bobdobbs> It's beyond me at the moment. But I'll probably need to figure it out.
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<bobdobbs> gf3: I'm reading about rbenv now
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<bobdobbs> gf3: ok, installing rbenv
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<bobdobbs> gf3: hey man. I'm up to the point in the rbenv/ruby-build install process where I'm ready to install ruby...
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<fschuindt> The rvm site is offline?
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<bobdobbs> the readme example suggests installing 1.9.3-p327
<bobdobbs> gf3: is there anything about ruby versions that I should know about before I choose one?
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<Eiam> I thought I could call inject on a hash like {}.inject([]) { |(k,v),ar| } in order to split out the hash key & value
<Eiam> but… I cannot?
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<bobdobbs> gf3: are you around?
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<bobdobbs> gf3: I've used rbenv to install ruby. But my expectation is that the shims should intercept calls to ruby-related stuff. That isn't happening
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<bobdobbs> I've installed ruby via rbenv. I've then installed the sass gem. But when I try to run sass, I get this: "/usr/bin/ruby1.8: bad interpreter: No such file or directory"
<bobdobbs> So, how can I get executable gems to work?
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<bobdobbs> gah! even worse! When I type in 'ruby', I get told both that the command cannot be found, and that it exists. http://pastie.org/7918501
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<bobdobbs> Is there a more reliable way to install ruby?
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<wmoxam> bobdobbs: it should just work with rbenv
<bobdobbs> 'should'
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<bobdobbs> I'm going through the installation instructions again, to see if I've missed anything
<wmoxam> I use rbenv and it works great
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<wmoxam> bobdobbs: what is the output of 'which ruby'
<wmoxam> bobdobbs: and 'which sass'
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<bobdobbs> which ruby: /home/mantis/.rbenv/shims/ruby
<bobdobbs> which sass: /home/mantis/.rbenv/shims/sass
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<bobdobbs> ok, so they are both there, and both in my path, it seems
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<wmoxam> bobdobbs: head -n 1 /home/mantis/.rbenv/shims/sass
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<bobdobbs> #!/usr/bin/env bash
<wmoxam> hrmm
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<wmoxam> bobdobbs: I was execpting #!/usr/bin/env ruby
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<bobdobbs> I see
<bobdobbs> what does this tell us?
<wmoxam> nothing
<bobdobbs> ok
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<postmodern> rbenv uses shims, so all executables become bash scripts
<wmoxam> it just means I don't understand rbenv shims
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<postmodern> if you don't want shims, you can use rvm/chruby
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<bobdobbs> hmmm
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<wmoxam> AFAICT it should work
<bobdobbs> I've gone down the rvm route before. kinda reluctant to do it again
<postmodern> bobdobbs, then how about chruby+ruby-build :)
<bobdobbs> looking into it
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<wmoxam> bobdobbs: you have to be missing somethign
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<bobdobbs> wmoxam: yeah. I must be.
<bobdobbs> just can't figure out what it is
<wmoxam> bobdobbs: you have 'eval "$(rbenv init -)"' in your bash profile?
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<bobdobbs> actually, I was just about to check that
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<bobdobbs> actually, I don't, cos I'm using zsh
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<wmoxam> ...
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<bobdobbs> thanks.
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<ariedler> meow
<bobdobbs> wmoxam: just taking while... making sure I'm not replicating anything in those files
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<bobdobbs> hmm... 'exec SHELL' yeilds "command not found: rbenv"
<bobdobbs> rbenv is in my path, and I can call it from the command line
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<Quadlex> bobdobbs: Does exec use the executing user?
<bobdobbs> I don't know. How can I check?
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<Quadlex> bobdobbs: exec a script that echos $LOGNAME
<Quadlex> (I think)
<Quadlex> I have not all the POSIX0fu
<bobdobbs> and I don't really do enough shell scripting to know about exect
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<bobdobbs> Quadlex: if I exec a script that echo's $LOGNAME, I get back my own username
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<Quadlex> Hmm. That does imply that it's your user
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<Quadlex> Diagnosis: You have angered the furies. You must make a sacrifice to Yggdrassil
<Quadlex> NEXT
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<Quadlex> Hmm. Maybe your profile isn't being loaded with exec?
* Quadlex hasn't really looked into it at all and is just saying words but you never know
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<bobdobbs> hmmm
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<wmoxam> bobdobbs: if you don't do much shell scripting then why do you use zsh? :p
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<bobdobbs> because when I last updated ubuntu, a bash commandline-line feature was broken.
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<bobdobbs> I can't remember exactly what is is
<bobdobbs> something to do with completion throwing in spaces
<bobdobbs> I believe the bug is still outstanding
<bobdobbs> I had to use something else
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<bobdobbs> ok... I just can't get it to work.
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<bobdobbs> other then ruby-build, what is a good way to install ruby?
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<Quadlex> I use rvm
<bobdobbs> hmm
<Quadlex> but I really don't think there's a "Good" way, there's just ways you personally prefer and ways you don't
<bobdobbs> ok
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<bobdobbs> The last time I gave rvm a shot, I got it working. But my system ended up being a bit of a mess
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<bricker`LA> Why would you use #public_send over #send ? Is it just kind of a "just to be safe" method?
<bricker`LA> although I don't even understand what I mean by that
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<bobdobbs> ok, I'm gonna clean up my existing mess and give rvm another shot
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<Quadlex> good luck bobdobbs
<bobdobbs> thanks :)
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<halabund> is there something comparable with matplotlib for ruby?
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<jgrevich> I know that I can use Object.send(:method) to read an attribute, how can I use Object.send(:method) to write to that attribute?
<jgrevich> i should have googled more first, sorry: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/300705/variables-in-ruby-method-names
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<bobdobbs> Quadlex: yus! victory!
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<bobdobbs> ruby 2 installed. sass working!
<bobdobbs> w00t!
<bobdobbs> time for coffee and pants
<breakingthings> Pants optional
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<Quadlex> Excelpet!
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<Quadlex> 5.high :bobdobbs
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<ptierno> using File.basename can I specify more than one extension to exclude?
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<RiftyMcF3arless> hey everybody. is it customary to define your chef-solo recipes in your Vagrantfile, or simply use vagrant to setup your server and then point something at it 'e.g. knife bootstrap' to install your provisions? i'm a little lost here, because i see and read about both ways online.
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<RiftyMcF3arless> i don't mean define, sorry, i mean require via "add_recipe"
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<Eiam> what mojo am i missing in haml to support unicode in html? like %td= true ? &#x2717; : &#2713
<Eiam> (thats show a checkmark or an X)
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<Eiam> oh, should ahve asked that in ruby on rails ;)
<Eiam> sorry for those of you n both.
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<havenwood> If any OP is around, ban the user 'splash'. Spamming 'easy way to earn money, its really!' on channel join. The grammar, the horror...
<havenwood> Seems like IRC is an odd spammer target. I'd have thought fewer gullible clickers here.
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<alex88> morning everyone, https://gist.github.com/alex88/479cab67c0712c2c7dac I'm reading an excel file
<mfridh> havenwood: /umode +R :)
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<alex88> number is returned as float since printing shows 2006.0 and so on, what I don't get is why when converting first to string gives always 0 and why leaving integer and then converting to string works fine
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<alex88> *and then converting to string on puts works fine
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<havenwood> mfridh: Good point. Will do. :)
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<alex88> my fault.. .empty? seems to work
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<mfridh> alex88: in the if?
<alex88> mfridh: yup
<alex88> seems it didn't like == '
<alex88> * == ''
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<alex88> oh, nope, sorry.. it's because doing .to_i.to_s returns '0' and I wasn't checking that.. thanks anyway for looking mfridh
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<evelyette> hi, does anybody know how to solve this: http://dpaste.com/1172069/ ... I guess bundler is not installed correctly, but I've run # gem install bundler as root and it says bundler was installed correctly ... any ideas ?
<mfridh> on another topic ... I managed to push 800Mbit into amazon Glacier on a single server using Ruby + Fog + Sidekiq... with 9 Sidekiq processes of 4 threads each ... not sure where to go from here. Guess it really doesn't matter if I use Sidekiq or Resque because I'd need to scale this mostly with processes either way.
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<mfridh> evelyette: not sure ... 'gem which bundler' 'gem env' maybe can show you some hints if it's a path issue
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<evelyette> ERROR: Can't find ruby library file or shared library bundler
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<evelyette> mfridh: if I run "gem install bundler" I get Permission denied - /var/lib/gems/1.9.1/cache/bundler-1.3.5.gem ... which is why I'm running it with sudo
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<evelyette> mfridh: Successfully installed bundler-1.3.5
<mfridh> evelyette: did it end up being installed to /var/lib/gems/1.9.1 ?
<evelyette> $ sudo gem which bundler
<evelyette> /var/lib/gems/1.9.1/gems/bundler-1.3.5/lib/bundler.rb
<evelyette> mfridh: yes
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<mfridh> hmm maybe compare sudo gem env with gem env
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<alex88> https://gist.github.com/alex88/9f0028e04f0591ca99dc I'm debugging this, @countries has 45 elements, but it seems that as soon as ruby goes to line 3, it exits returning nil
<evelyette> mfridh: they are the same
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<alex88> nm, seems it's just a debugger problem
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<evelyette> mfridh: do you know what's going on?
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<ij> DHH, the rails guy, in his twitter complained that rspec is too complex(in contrast with test::unit). Do you agree with this POV, why?
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<davout> DDH got into my "idiots" category when he started ranting about bitcoin
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<ij> Well, let's not bind all of his opinions into the
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<ij> s/let's .*/lets not judge one of his opinions by his other opinions/
<ij> let's*
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<davout> rspec is more complex than test::unit, the "too complex" part is subjective, both serve a purpose
<ij> In what way is it more complex?
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<apeiros> ij: just take a look at the codesize
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<apeiros> and yes, I prefer test unit over rspec. I liked the idea initially. but the first dislike I had about rspec was the rather huge churn (changes in the syntax every 2 months or so)
<apeiros> the second dislike was/is that you basically have to learn a new language in order to use rspec
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<apeiros> and the third dislike is, that it's somewhat opaque what goes on
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<alex88> someone uses OptionParser? is there a way to use -v -vv -vvv for short arguments?
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<Spooner> alex88, Noone uses OptionParser. Use Trollop or slop...or anything else!
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<bnagy> <3 trollop
<otters> does trollop do short arguments?
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<Spooner> I'm sure it does.
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<Spooner> Though I never use them :$
<bnagy> yes, it does
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<bnagy> by default, as well, although you can also set them if you don't want the first letter of the long opt
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<alex88> thanks Spooner, sorry for the delay
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<e-dard> Randomly came across this while I was looking up some documentation on Google "What's the most efficient way to find the smallest number in a circular list in Ruby circular_list = [22, 52, 66, 82, 5, 8, 12, 19]"
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<e-dard> Since the list is unsorted the best one could do is O(N). What's the trick then with "circular list" Why is there an "efficient algorithm"
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<e-dard> It was listed under a Google hard programming challenge but it looks fairly innocuous to me. Was I missing something in passing?
<MrZYX> not sure what the properties of a circular list are in this case...
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<canton7> e-dard, it is sorted
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<e-dard> canton7: ah I see now…
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<e-dard> start of the list is element 4… Now I see why it's a non-trivial problem.
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<canton7> is a binary search optimal?
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<MrZYX> well, just return the first element where n-1 > n
<MrZYX> n=element number
<e-dard> canton7:O(log n) so pretty much
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<e-dard> MrZYX: hmm, well a naive approach to that would be O(n) because you would traverse n/2 elements to find n-1 > n wouldn't you?
<e-dard> So I guess the question is "can you implement binary search on a circular list"
<MrZYX> worst case is traversing all elements, yeah
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<MrZYX> it's still better than on an unsorted list though, with an unsorted one you can't say you found the smallest element without touching all everytime
<e-dard> Indeed
<canton7> e-dard, I don't see why not. instead of "if too high, go left; else go right" we have "if too high && element larger than first element go right, etc..."
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<e-dard> canton7: Yes. That must be the golden answer to a question like this. Though I'm sure a pragmatic approach like MrZYX's would be fine to many hiring managers
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<canton7> the question was "most efficient" :P
<MrZYX> list.each_cons.find{|a,b| a > b}.last :P
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<joshmyers> hey guys, I have a hash of hashes like this: https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/4ca110ff395d57877d28
<joshmyers> how can I pick out like ChannelSize for one of the hashes?
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<joshu> I'm working on the following ruby script https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0d1e43819300ea0fa471 just fleshing out the logic. I want to use minitest to write tests before writing the code, but I'm struggling to understand how to do it.
<e-dard> joshmyers: you mean like foo[CHANNEL.syslog_s3_channel
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<e-dard> joshmyers: you mean like foo["CHANNEL.syslog_s3_channel"]["ChannelSize"] ?
<joshu> I've looked at tutorials and some youtube videos but I could use some help getting started
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<joshmyers> thats the one e-dard
<joshu> I'm confused about whether to use mintiest specs or unit tests. How to write the first test to check that there is something on STDIN and then that the header X-FFM does not exist
<joshmyers> sorry new to ruby
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<bubu> e-dard: I'm getting a TypeError: can't convert String into Integer
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<bubu> why would it be trying to convert to an integer?
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<e-dard> bubu: probably because foo is an Array and not a hash?
<bubu> hmm it's not though
<bubu> its a hash of hashes
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<bubu> as in the gist ..
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* e-dard shrugs
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<e-dard> bubu: I pasted your json into irb as a hash and ran json["CHANNEL.syslog_s3_channel"]["ChannelSize"] and got => "0"
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<bubu> I have just done the same which seems OK
<bubu> thanks! :)
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<joshu> anyone with minitest experience?
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<joonty> joshu: sadly not
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<joshu> joonty no worries ;)
<joonty> i've wanted to look at it
<joonty> there are just too many things on my "to try" list
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<joshu> joonty yeah same here
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<mikecmpbll> what's the 1.9.3 way of achieving module#prepend functionality?
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<apeiros> mikecmpbll: alias and redefine
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<apeiros> oh, crossposter
<mikecmpbll> ..my bad.
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<mikecmpbll> where are the rules? :s I wasn't aware of that, but now I know i guess.
<mikecmpbll> thanks anyway.
<apeiros> it's a rule of manners. there are no written channel rules.
<mikecmpbll> clearly, because I always read the topics for rules and regs.
<apeiros> :)
<mikecmpbll> how long is long enough under the code of manners before I'm allowed to ask in another room? :)
<apeiros> you can immediately. just state that you cross-post
<mikecmpbll> okaay.
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<apeiros> most people fail to update the cross-posted channels. and then people try to help with something that's long been solved.
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<mikecmpbll> gotcha.
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<joshu> for mintiest to work do I need to wrap my ruby script code in a class and each part of code as a method?
<joshu> *minitest
<joonty> lol mintiest
<joonty> do you mean the code that you want to test?
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<joshu> hehe yeah
<platzhirsch> What do you say, should I separate a long text string over two lines with just new lines or by using \?
<joonty> joshu: it's way easier to test classes
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<evelyette> hi. how can I solve the following error: http://dpaste.com/1172907/
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<joonty> evelyette: you need to run `gem install bundler`
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<evelyette> joonty: yes but it tries to save it under /var/; Permission denied - /var/lib/gems/1.9.1/cache/bundler-1.3.5.gem
<evelyette> I don't know how to execute the command as normal user ....
<chiel> any compass users here?
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<evelyette> joonty: any ideas ?
<joonty> how have you installed ruby? Are you using something like Ubuntu?
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<evelyette> joonty: yes
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<joonty> and you've installed ruby via apt-get?
<evelyette> yeah :)
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<joonty> i believe that you need to `sudo gem install bundler`
<evelyette> I did that, and nothing is changed
<joonty> hm
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<evelyette> joonty: bundler get's installed ... but when running as normal use it isn't found anymore
<joonty> yeh
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<joonty> what do you get if you run `ruby -e "puts ENV['GEM_PATH']"`?
<evelyette> nil
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<joonty> it looks like that's the problem
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<evelyette> so it can't find the GEM path or something ...
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<joonty> yeh
<evelyette> btw: why do I need to install gems as root plus as a normal user ... by using "bundle install" ... ?
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<evelyette> joonty: how can I correct the path to make it work ?
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<joonty> you could try "export GEM_PATH=/var/lib/whatever"
<joonty> then run your command
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<evelyette> joonty: do I need to set it at /usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1/ or /usr/lib/ruby/ ?
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<joonty> it should be a directory that contains the folders "gems" and "specifications"
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<joonty> so i think the 1.9.1
<evelyette> nope, doesn't work
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<evelyette> joonty: and that folder doesn't contain folders gems/ and specifications/
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<joonty> weird
<joonty> this is the exact reason I moved from system ruby to rvm
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<joonty> it's really fiddly to get it working, and there are about a billion things that could go wrong
<evelyette> joonty: what's the difference ?
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<joonty> rvm: http://rvm.io
<joonty> you can manage multiple ruby versions and environments
<joonty> and install for the user or system wide
<joonty> user installation means no more `sudo gem` rubbish
<evelyette> aha, cool, I'll take a look ... although I tried it before and didn't want to compile
<joonty> evelyette: they now have binaries
<evelyette> btw: why do I need to do "gem update" in every ruby project I download ?
<joonty> so you can do `rvm install 1.9.3 --binary`
<joonty> much quicker
<evelyette> ERROR: Unrecognized command line flag: '--binary' ( see: 'rvm usage' )
<joonty> sorry, could be `--binaries`
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<joonty> no it is binary
<joonty> works for me: `rvm install 1.9.3 --binary`
<joonty> if it doesn't you might need to update rm
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<joonty> *rvm
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<evelyette> but still something failed
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<joonty> evelyette: sorry gtg for a bit
<joonty> i'll be back
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<julianhurley> hi everyone
<julianhurley> why does this regex expression: " \b(I am|You are|I|Your|My )\b " have two \b's ?
<julianhurley> Is there any need?
<julianhurley> Oh
<julianhurley> I undestand now
<julianhurley> but what does /i mean?
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<ramblex> julianhurley, /i on the end means case-insensitive
<julianhurley> ramblex: I see, thanks
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<julianhurley> I understand everything about this class and its 'switch_pronouns' method
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<julianhurley> Apart from 2 things. 1) What is the significance of the 'self' on line 2?
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<julianhurley> 2) How does the chained 'sub' on line 25 work? Do methods chained to 'end' keywords mean they go 'back through' the method they're ending?
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<ramblex> julianhurley: self in that context means it's a class method rather than an instance method
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<ramblex> sub will be called on the result of gsub which is being passed the block
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<julianhurley> Is the result of gsub passed back through the 'case' loop?
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<julianhurley> *case statement
<apeiros> the case/when is part of the block passed to gsub. it is unrelated to the return value.
<apeiros> it is only related to how the gsub performs the substitution
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<apeiros> >> "hello".gsub(/e|o/) { |m| m.upcase }
<eval-in> apeiros => "hEllO" (http://eval.in/30570)
<apeiros> >> "hello".gsub(/e|o/) { |m| m.upcase }.sub(/h/, '__h__')
<eval-in> apeiros => "__h__EllO" (http://eval.in/30571)
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<platzhirsch> Do you think it is more efficient to run a regexp \W+ on a list of sentences or on the whole text?
<platzhirsch> (I have to split the text into sentences anyway)
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<Mon_Ouie> Without trying anything, I'd think the latter is faster (because you can get all matches from a single method call)
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<platzhirsch> What's the name of static methods in Ruby? Class methods? S
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<MrZYX> class methods, singleton methods are common ones, though they are just instance methods on the singleton class really ;P
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<platzhirsch> MrZYX: it sings in my ears :D
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<bubu> MrZYX: howdooo
<joonty> evelyette: hi, are you still around?
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<bubu> how can I puts a particular sub value like ChannelSize?
<atmosx> bubu: hash[key]
<atmosx> bubu: usually you'd use symbols as keys, as use hash[:key]
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<atmosx> in your case channels[ChannelFillPercentage]
<atmosx> err
<atmosx> in your case channels['ChannelFillPercentage']
<MrZYX> he has a ChannelSize key ;D
<MrZYX> channels.each do |channel| puts channel['ChannelSize']; end
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<bubu> ja that wont work atmosx :(
<MrZYX> oh, channels.values.each
<bubu> MrZYX: tried that but I get a TypeError: can't convert String to Integer ...
<bubu> ahhh
<bubu> I pref want to end up with something like this: json_s3_channel : 0
<bubu> for example if the ChannelSize is 0 for the channel json_s3_channel ..
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<MrZYX> channels.each do |name, data| puts "#{name} : #{data['ChannelSize']}"; end
<bubu> dude, you're aweeesome :]
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<atmosx> p hash['CHANNEL.syslog_s3_channel']['ChannelFillPercentage']
<bubu> atmosx: cant be using any hard coded names though
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<Macaveli> If I render a field field like this: file_field_tag("PROFILE_PIC") I get values in params["PROFILE_PIC"] but if I render an image like this: image_tag(Base64::decode64(field_value), :id => "PROFILE_PIC", :type =>"file", :name => "PROFILE_PIC") params["PROFILE_PIC"] is nil :s
<MrZYX> Macaveli: -> #RubyOnRails
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<k611> Within a class : how can i share a def 3rdmethod() to a def self.x() and def y()
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<MrZYX> it's probably a candidate for a utilities module but you can make it a public class method and call self.class.3rdmethod from the instance method
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<k611> self.class.3rdmethod() from x()
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<k611> how should i define this then : def api(*args) ; self.class.api args ;end ?
<k611> how should i define this then : def 3rd(*args) ; self.class.3rd args ;end ?
<banisterfiend> k611: u r annoying
<k611> i'd like to pass everythin to the class method
<k611> like super
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<r0bglees0n> def method_missing(m,*args,&blk); self.class.send(m,*args,&blk); end
<k611> using self.class.3rd is going to be long each time so it's about aliasing self.class.3rd to 3rd
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<MrZYX> if it really doesn't fit a global utilities module I'd do a local one: class Foo; module Utils; module_function; def my_method; ...; end; private_constant :Utils; def whatever; Utils.my_method; end; end;
<MrZYX> + the missing end I forget
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<k611> i see thx both
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<r0bglees0n> that's the second time ive seen private_constant being used
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<k611> i think in java class methods are auto accessible from instance
<MrZYX> r0bglees0n: it's my first time :D
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<sifi> is http://ruby-doc.org/ down for anyone else?
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<ramblex> sifi: looks down to me
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<ericwood> it's down
<ericwood> supposedly the main guy is in a different timezone and won't be awake for a few hours :P
<sifi> :(
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<r0bglees0n> MrZYX: yeah, I use it in *one* project :)
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<r0bglees0n> MrZYX: i wrapped if respond_to?(:private_constant)
<r0bglees0n> MrZYX: if it takes that long for private_constant to become popular how will kw args fair ;)
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<MrZYX> sifi: come to http://rubydoc.info ;P
<sifi> That is where I went instead :)
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<r0bglees0n> kw args are also much more annoying to write a 1.9/2.0 compatible interface for
<MrZYX> is it even possible?
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<r0bglees0n> with two method definitions, sure
<MrZYX> ew
<r0bglees0n> right :)
<MrZYX> yeah, not worth the effort
<r0bglees0n> it will probably be at least a year before we see them being used
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<MrZYX> bbbs
<MrZYX> -b
<r0bglees0n> cya
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<codepython777> I'm writing a client and a server. The server is on the web and the client has a password for the server. What is a good way to authenticate the client on the server for data interchange?
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<bnagy> tls
<bnagy> tbh ssh would be better
<bnagy> but tls w/ password is not retarded
<canton7> look at what Amazon AWS does with the AccessKey and SecretKey
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<codepython777> bnagy: should i just do a https?
<canton7> (data signed with secret key, client identified with access key)
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<bnagy> codepython777: not really
<codepython777> bnagy: is https not secure? I could just do a https auth?
<bnagy> because PKI is crap
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<codepython777> I plan to use self-signed certificates
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<bnagy> good for you, princess
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<bnagy> nothing ever went wrong with that
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<codepython777> bnagy: dns is the only weakness there, right?
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<bnagy> uh
<bnagy> no
<bnagy> sorry, I am drunk
<codepython777> bnagy: what else is wrong?
<bnagy> I do not give subtle advice in this circumstances
<canton7> any sort of mitm
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* MrZYX prefers CACert over self signed if he has to do somethin with HTTPS
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<bnagy> forget certs, it's all shit
<MrZYX> I try to
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<bnagy> do ssh if you can
<MrZYX> but the world is against us :/
<bnagy> if not, you can do tls directly with keys
<codepython777> canton7: mitm on self-signed, how do you do it apart from dns?
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<MrZYX> I actually like the idea of providing the certs via dnssec
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<canton7> codepython777, arp spoofing if you're on the same network
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<canton7> (trivial to do)
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<codepython777> canton7: well I am sure you are not on my network :)
<codepython777> but understood, so same network + dns spoofing
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<canton7> also, self-signed certs can't be revoked
<bnagy> and it is not trivial to ensure that your client will only accept the cert in question
<codepython777> canton7: If I am running the server and the client both, that problem isnt there, right?
<bnagy> but possible, sure
<bnagy> basically just don't
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<bnagy> if you have that much control use ssh
<codepython777> bnagy: well the problem is, i've to run it on many platforms. openssh is pain on windows.
<canton7> codepython777, can you ensure that every client out there gets updated as soon as you want it to?
<bnagy> wtf
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<bnagy> if you have to do windows you can use plink etc
<codepython777> canton7: why do clients need to be updated? They just see SSCerts and if there is a new one, they use that?
* bnagy gets popcorn
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<bnagy> NO DO GO ON
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<canton7> codepython777, re ssh on windows: Net::SSH ?
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<canton7> codepython777, and ignore my comment on updating clients - the point is there is no way to say "this certificate was compromised - don't use it"
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<dstarh> I have a date and I need to add N milliseconds to it. What is the best way to accomplish this?
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<lupine> canton7, crls?
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<MrZYX> dstarh: use a datetime
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<codepython777> canton7: if i use self-signed certs + openid with signed certs, does that problem go away? - at least in the human client case?
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<dstarh> MrZYX: ok so I have a date time, i still need to add N milliseconds to it
<canton7> lupine, irrelevant with self-signed certs - people can spoof a cert easier than obtaining it
<dstarh> lets say it's 12345 miliseconds
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<lupine> mm, I wouldn't accept self-signed en masse
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<bnagy> >> require 'date'; DateTime.now + 12345
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<eval-in> bnagy => #<DateTime: 2047-03-05T17:07:56+02:00 ((2468775j,54476s,369884847n),+7200s,2299161j)> (http://eval.in/30583)
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<dstarh> bangy that's wrong if those are milliseconds
<dstarh> bnagy: ^
<MrZYX> actually just use a time
<MrZYX> >> Time.at Time.now+12345/1000
<eval-in> MrZYX => 2013-05-17 17:09:55 +0200 (http://eval.in/30584)
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<MrZYX> and to_date/to_datetime it it
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<panzi> how do I get a DateTime from a timestamp that is in microseconds since the Unix epoch in UTC
<panzi> ?
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<panzi> basically I want the reverse to (dateTime.utc.to_f * 1000000).to_i
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<raz> hmm.. is there an adhoc way to create object that will accept specific method call?
<raz> i have this method that accepts an argument (expecting it to be an Io) and calles arg.puts on it kater
<raz> later*
<panzi> raz: o=Object.new; def o.foo; "bar"; end
<raz> panzi: merci. :)
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<lupine> is there a class equivalent for define_method ?
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<apeiros> define_singleton_method
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<lupine> ah, I guess I was unclear. I want a method that, given a string like "Config" and a block, will create a class Config from the block
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<MrZYX> Object.const_set :Config, Class.new(&block) ?
<lupine> const_set ?
<lupine> snap :)
<lupine> ta
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<apeiros> lupine: classes are not constants :-p
<apeiros> don't confuse objects and variables. different concepts.
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<lupine> aye, I'm aware of the difference :)
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<ruby-lang274> How can I do a callback function when a word is found in a file in ruby
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<apeiros> ruby-lang274: looking for String#scan?
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<apeiros> not quite sure what you're asking for…
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<ruby-lang274> how are callback functions done in ruby
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<panzi> ruby-lang274: do you mean things like blocks and yield?
<apeiros> via blocks
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<apeiros> immediate callback:
<apeiros> >> def foo; yield; end; foo { puts "yay, got called back!" }
<eval-in> apeiros => yay, got called back! ... (http://eval.in/30586)
<apeiros> delayed callback:
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<apeiros> >> def foo(&block); @block = block; end; def bar; @block.call; end; foo { puts "yay, got called back!" }; print "foo has run… "; bar
<eval-in> apeiros => foo has run… yay, got called back! ... (http://eval.in/30587)
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<apeiros> hu? it strips the … ? odd… maybe a security "feature" :)
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<slash_nick> huh? it stripped it?
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<apeiros> Xeago: ping?
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<apeiros> hm, wcs I guess…
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<julian-delphiki> apeiros: it's probably the fact that you're on a mac and ... is not the same as …
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<apeiros> julian-delphiki: unlikely
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<apeiros> … is unicode
<apeiros> with that it's pretty much irrelevant on what you are
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<apeiros> the only question is whether you have a font which has the character
<MrZYX> I'm seeing a ? in the response, so my bet is a encoding problem
<bnagy> < eval-in> apeiros => foo has run…
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<bnagy> look good too mee
<apeiros> >> "\u2026"
<eval-in> apeiros => "…" (http://eval.in/30590)
<MrZYX> ? for me, guess the bot fails to answer in utf-8
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<bnagy> I see it fine
<apeiros> yes, tried to do >> Encoding.default_external in the query
<apeiros> but it doesn't reply…
<apeiros> >> Encoding.default_external
<eval-in> apeiros => #<Encoding:UTF-8> (http://eval.in/30591)
<apeiros> hm
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<apeiros> >> "…".ord
<eval-in> apeiros => 8230 (http://eval.in/30592)
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<apeiros> odd…
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<spike|spiegel> what are you looking for?
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<apeiros> where the … gets lost. it does not display for me.
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<julian-delphiki> >> "…".next
<eval-in> julian-delphiki => "‧" (http://eval.in/30593)
<julian-delphiki> heh
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<apeiros> >> "…".encoding
<eval-in> apeiros => #<Encoding:UTF-8> (http://eval.in/30594)
<apeiros> >> "…".inspect.encoding
<eval-in> apeiros => #<Encoding:UTF-8> (http://eval.in/30595)
<apeiros> blupp
<apeiros> out of ideas
<julian-delphiki> quite odd.
<julian-delphiki> me too
<julian-delphiki> lol
<apeiros> I see it for everybody else. just not from the bot.
<MrZYX> I guess the layer that sends it to IRC messes it up
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<apeiros> mhm
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<spike|spiegel> what is wron?
<spike|spiegel> 8230 is correct for ellipsis
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<RiftyMcF3arless> very strange... taking a shot in the dark here. i'm using watir w/ firefox on ubuntu. i have firefox setup to restore its previous session which works fine when i use the browser manually OR w/ Watir in IRB. however, in my code, upon calling the Watir browser `close` method and restarting the browser (either manually or through Watir), my session comes up as the one BEFORE the last. it doesn't save what page i was on, my cookies, etc.
<RiftyMcF3arless> just wondering if someone has any idea what this might be.
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<apeiros> spike|spiegel: what's wrong is that when I do `>> "…"`, the output I see is `""`, i.e., the … is stripped
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<apeiros> and yes, 8230 is correct. utf-8 encoding is correct. everything is correct. which is why I don't have a clue what's going wrong.
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<panzi> >> DateTime.now.to_time.class
<eval-in> panzi => /tmp/execpad-84dc30f550ad/source-84dc30f550ad:2:in `<main>': uninitialized constant DateTime (NameError) (http://eval.in/30599)
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<panzi> >> require("date"); DateTime.now.to_time.class
<eval-in> panzi => Time (http://eval.in/30600)
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<panzi> well this is strange. for some buggy reason to_time returns a DateTime object in my rails app
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<panzi> wtf
<spike|spiegel> apeiros: I see …
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<panzi> why is there a DateTime and a Time class if both hold a date and a time component?
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<havenwood> panzi: Time is based off of Unix time, so it can't go back before Unix time began at second 0.
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<spike|spiegel> DateTime is meant to work with calendars
<apeiros> panzi: because Time used to be only from roughly 1970-2030
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<apeiros> it changed with 64bit time
<havenwood> Time began, and it will end... DateTime is forever.
<apeiros> so it used to be: use Time for performance, DateTime for big ranges
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<panzi> I see. I would have called Time UnixTime or Timestamp
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<apeiros> why betray the implementation?
<havenwood> apeiros: I didn't realize it would end so soon!
<panzi> betray?
<apeiros> in the sense of "showing it off"
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<apeiros> how Time is implemented is an implementation detail.
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<panzi> well it's it's semantics, it's behaviour (the range in wich it works). the name *should* give that away so it is clear what it is good for
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<panzi> that it will fail after 2030 is not just an implementation detail
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<panzi> its part of its interface
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<panzi> so it shall be referenced in it's name
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<apeiros> panzi: so do you communicate the bounds of Arrays?
<apeiros> the bounds of Floats?
<apeiros> etc.?
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<apeiros> that's stupid, sorry.
<panzi> when a class raises an exception is part of it object oriented type
<apeiros> those limits are a documentation issue. not a naming thing.
<apeiros> I'd like to see your method names
<havenwood> >> Time.at(0x7FFFFFFF)
<eval-in> havenwood => 2038-01-19 04:14:07 +0100 (http://eval.in/30613)
<apeiros> gsub_will_raise_when_passed_a_non_string_non_regex_as_first_argument…
<apeiros> really, bad idea. bad design guide.
<havenwood> My mother's birthday in 2038, Time ends.
<panzi> apeiros: you don'T understand
<apeiros> I perfectly understand.
<apeiros> you're drawing arbitrary lines on where to betray implementation in the name and where not.
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<panzi> if the difference between Time and DateTime is that Time does not work outside of the 64bit timestamp range than this is the relevant thing about this type
<panzi> if Time has any other meaning and the thing with the range is just an impelentatin detail thannot
<apeiros> and there you have a property that only matters *in context with another class*
<panzi> but you said that is what the difference is
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<apeiros> so do you now start to name all classes with regards to how they differ or are similar to other classes? the same stupid. I stand by it.
<panzi> Time and DateTime are both part of the ruby stdlib, of course they are in each others context
<apeiros> a class stands by itself. its name stands by itself.
<panzi> a stdlib shall not have redundant parts
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<MrZYX> Date includes methods targeted at working with Dates, Time includes methods targeted at working with times. DateTime is the union. Compare Time#+ and DateTime#+
<apeiros> it's not ClassFooWhichDiffersFromBar
<apeiros> that's stupid
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<apeiros> MrZYX: no, Time is date+time. that part I'd grant panzi is misleading.
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<apeiros> but that's not what he was arguing
<panzi> MrZYX: except that Time also knows about the date (the year, month, day)
<MrZYX> includes!=primary intent
<apeiros> it is part of the primary intent.
<apeiros> Time was there long before Date/DateTime
<apeiros> Date/DateTime exist to "fix an issue" (insufficient range)
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<panzi> anyway, I think Time should have been named Timestamp
<havenwood> panzi: If you say, "what time should we meet?" something before 1970 or after 2038 would be pretty bizarre. What date and time should we meet lets you choose a date and time. What date is the day not the time. Even if time was limited to one week, it wouldn't be that bizarre of a constraint.
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<havenwood> TimeAfterNineteenSeventyButBeforeTwentyThirtyEight would be along class name. :O
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<havenwood> j/k j/k
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<panzi> you guys come up with that stupid class names, I didn't
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<panzi> I said Time was the wrong name and Timestamp would be better
<apeiros> Timestamp is a stupid classname. it's not a stamp. it's a time.
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<apeiros> anyway, off of this discussion. I rather watch wcs.
<panzi> "timestamp" is the SQL type for exactly that
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<havenwood> ew
<MrZYX> SQL is no OOP language
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<panzi> but it has at least type names that don't lead to confusions (liek Time+DateTime do)
<panzi> (I would rather use Python anyway, but it's not up to me)
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<apeiros> and the sql type is indeed a timestamp
<apeiros> while the ruby class Time *is not*
<havenwood> panzi: I would rather not have month names and go by the yday. A very happy day 137 to you!
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<aedorn> havenwood: I prefer week numbers... that way we can be confusing and say day 4 of week 53. Thank you commercial date system!
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<havenwood> aedorn: haha
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<RiftyMcF3arless> i found the basic issue -- for some reason, when my script calls Watir's `close`, the session cookies aren't saved in the Mozilla sessionstore.js file -- weirdness, i'll have to come up with some kind of hacky workaround.
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<aedorn> That's because Watir creates a new profiles when it opens. You need to dump cookies to a file, and then reload that file and add them back. (Guess I wasn't here for that initial issue)
<aedorn> I swear my English is just getting worse...
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<aedorn> ... or my attention is.
<apeiros> your english is getting better - you now notice your mistakes ;-p
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<aedorn> apeiros: That would be comforting if English wasn't my first language.
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<apeiros> heh
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<tjbiddle> Anyone deal with Powershell + Ruby? (Trust me - Not doing it because I want to :p) - Trying to get the bash equivalent of TRACE=true my_ruby_bin --some_args to work. Having trouble 1) Setting the variable 2) Reading it
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<b3hnam> I want use https://github.com/c2h2/youtube-dl-daemon and I have this error http://dpaste.com/1174775/ how can I fix it ?
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<havenwood> b3hnam: Did you `bundle`?
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<havenwood> b3hnam: (The mongo dependency is listed in the Gemfile and *should* be installed if you `bundle`.): http://gembundler.com/
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<b3hnam> havenwood: `bundle` ?? I am not Ruby developer, how can I do it ?
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<atmosx> bundle install
<atmosx> ?
<havenwood> b3hnam: Heh, the youtube-dl-daemon instructions say to run "bunlde install", which is soooo close...
<havenwood> b3hnam: Run the `bundle` (or `bundle install`) command from the project directory.
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<havenwood> b3hnam: If you haven't installed bundler, first run: gem install bundler
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<havenwood> b3hnam: You have to have mongodb installed as well. Which should be as easy as `brew install mongodb` or whatever it is for your package manager.
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<havenwood> b3hnam: Caveat being... the project you linked to doesn't look very maintained.
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<b3hnam> havenwood: I installed mongodb from source (its an Arm CPU)
<havenwood> b3hnam: Cool, that works too. :)
<b3hnam> havenwood: now bundler 1.3.5 is installing
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<jipiboily> hey all
<havenwood> hiya
<jipiboily> quick one for you…it seems like there is no easy solution to safely replacing any non-ascii characters by their equivalent (if available)…like replacing the Words smart quotes by usual ascii quotes
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<jipiboily> iconv or String#encode can do some stuff, but not that AFAIK
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<jipiboily> so, besides doing that "manually", any suggestions?
<kraljev3> If I call:
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<kraljev3> method {}
<kraljev3> why does {} default to block
<kraljev3> not empty hash?
<kraljev3> why would anyone want empty block?
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<waxjar> counterquestion: why would anyone wants an empty hash? :P
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<apeiros> kraljev3: because syntax should not arbitrarily change
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<apeiros> if `method { foo }` is a block, so should `method {}` be.
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<peteyg> Any way to have Ruby emulate PHP Array in that you can key with string, not just int?
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<yxhuvud> use a Hash?
<Xeago> peteyg: you don't key an array?
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<rgrinberg> peteyg: "Ruby emulate PHP" is always the wrong approach
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<shevy> test
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<MrZYX> su: Authentication failed
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<joshu> hi guys
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<joshu> I still haven't "got" how to use minitest when writing my ruby script. Is anyone around familiar with mintiest and can perhaps guide me in the right direction
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<matti> joshu: Did you try to Google for examples?
<matti> joshu: Its really simple.
<matti> I mean, the minitest...
<matti> ;]
<joshu> matti absolutely I've spent all of yesterday trying to figure it out
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<matti> joshu: What are the problems / show stoppers for you?
<joshu> just having trouble starting with my specific example
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<joshu> ok one sec let me gist what i'm trying to do
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<matti> joshu: :)
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<joshu> i'm writing a ruby script to handle 4 specific types of email coming in on STDIN.
<matti> joshu: Right.
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<matti> joshu: The trickiest part would be mocking STDIN input.
<joshu> I have the 4 types of emails saved as separate files
<joshu> to serve as examples
<matti> OK, you can use them as fixtures.
<joshu> *testing examples
<matti> And then pass something that looks like IO object to Mail.new to use in tests.
<jkline> Hi. I would like an abstract base class that implements a method foo. Two child classes that set a constant used by the method foo. I realize that abstract base class it not particularly a ruby thing. Can someone point me in the right direction please?
<joshu> I should point out that I'm very new to ruby as well ;)
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<waxjar> jkline: mixins! :D
<jkline> I have Module Base; def use_foo; # then later Class Child; include Base; FOO=1
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<jkline> how do I use the child class variable from within the mixin?
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<apeiros> self.class::FOO
<jkline> ah!
<jkline> i'll try it apeiros
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<jkline> waxjar: mixin, mix off
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<terrellt> Anyone know if there's a good public skeleton for a new ruby gem? I can wing it, but I figure there must be a best practice.
<joshu> In my mind the first test should be to check that there's something on STDIN and the next test to check that the email has not been processed before. Maybe I don't need to write a test for the first thing but I don't understand how to write one for checking whether it has been processed, e.g. def test_that_email_has_not_been_processed
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<waxjar> there's an extension for rubygems that gives you a gem bootstrap command
<joshu> terrellt disclaimer never built one myself ;)
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<waxjar> bundler has a similar command built in
<jkline> terrellt: I am new to ruby, but I am experimenting with `bundle gem` from the bundler gem
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<terrellt> bundle gem looks perfect.
<waxjar> https://github.com/svenfuchs/gem-release was the one i meant
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<matti> joshu: I'd structure your class differently.
<matti> joshu: Making it easier to test.
<kindjal> How does this error make sense? /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/rubygems.rb:779:in `report_activate_error': Could not find RubyGem rubygems (>= 0) (Gem::LoadError)
<matti> joshu: And more correct Ruby too ;]
<atmosx> gem install rubygem
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<joshu> matti can you place show me how to do what you suggest?
<joshu> *please
<matti> joshu: What other language do you use?
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<joshu> matti programming?
<matti> Yes
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<joshu> matti none really I don't program for a living but working on it ;)
<shevy> matti can you please get rid of your clothes for me?
<matti> shevy: Em? Its cold today.
<joshu> shevy haha
<matti> shevy: I cannot walk naked.
<matti> shevy: I will get sick.
<shevy> kindjal: that is indeed a strange name
<matti> joshu: Oh I see :)
<shevy> kindjal: the latest rubygems would always be at http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=126&release_id=23118
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<kindjal> shevy: I'm on CentOS 6.4 using the rpm packaged rubygems
<shevy> matti: it is? how cold? here it is ok... it's night now and it is raining, but it was very hot during the day, so this is like refreshing rain now
<matti> joshu: So, classes usually have methods that implement what you want them to do.
<kindjal> rubygems-1.3.7-1.el6.noarch
<matti> shevy: Check weather in London.
<shevy> kindjal: this is always a problem, distributions can mess up things heavily
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<joshu> matti I'm working on getting better at Ruby and was suggested to start testing my code so that's what I'm trying to do for the first time TDD rather than just write it and run it find bugs etc. I want to try and do it the Ruby way this time
<kindjal> I wrote my own gem, and installed it… if I do rackup -I lib config.ru it works… but if I don't include -I lib it gives me that error.
<matti> joshu: +1, good approach.
<matti> joshu: But you need to get to know progreamming/Ruby better too ;]
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<kindjal> but my gem is in the gem path /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8 as reported by gem env
<shevy> odd
<matti> programming*
<shevy> for me this always work with my own gems kindjal
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<shevy> I dont use rack though, I hate .ru file ending
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<joshu> matti sure but I'm working on it
<MrZYX> it's not like rack relies on the filename ending in .ru …
<joshu> matti so are you saying that my if statement to check the header should be within a method definition?
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<shevy> MrZYX you mean when I use .rb for rack, it will work?
<matti> joshu: :)
<MrZYX> I'm pretty sure, yeah
<MrZYX> maybe not with passenger
<MrZYX> and everything else that assumes the default
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<kindjal> Am I supposed to know to modify $LOAD_PATH somehow?
<MrZYX> I've currently just nothing that works with rackup to double check though...
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<shevy> hmm it does not seem to work at all
<atmosx> MrZYX shevy rack is the interface that thin, unicorn, foreman, etc use right?
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<shevy> rackup gives me an error:
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<shevy> basic_rack.rb:6: undefined method `use' for main:Object (NoMethodError)
<shevy> let me upload that example to gist
<MrZYX> atmosx: yup
<apeiros> Xeago: rooting for thorzain? :)
<MrZYX> atmosx: well not foreman, foreman is just a process manager
<waxjar> im pretty sure you can give rackup any filename you like
<atmosx> I use thin and the config.ru is very simple for a sinatra app... foreman uses Procfile to do the same (iirc from heroku)
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<MrZYX> you specify commands in the Procfile
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<MrZYX> for example web: thin start (it's yaml)
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<shevy_> it seems as if rackup does something magical when it encounters file ending .ru ?
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<shevy_> when I change file ending to .ru again, it works without error
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<kindjal> So my program is called 'gpfsquotad', and this works: rackup -I /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/gpfsquotad-0.0.1/lib/ /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/gpfsquotad-0.0.1/config.ru Why does it not work without -I?
<apeiros> shevy_: yes, .ru are embedded in a builder
<MrZYX> hm interesting
<kindjal> gem env reports /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8 in GEM PATHS
<shevy_> kindjal: I suppose there is some magic loading going on behind the scenes :)
<shevy_> .ru always reminds me of russia
<kindjal> I'm newish to ruby, and I'm constantly frustrated by "magic"
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<shevy_> kindjal: yeah, but there is a simple solution that works, avoid magic. if software uses magic, avoid that software
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<apeiros> hu?
<apeiros> ruby itself is pretty unmagic
<apeiros> frameworks like rails and rspec are
<kindjal> I'm not doing anything fancy. I just want to know how to make a gem load.
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<apeiros> require 'file-in-gem'
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<shevy_> kindjal: no that is not true, you said so yourself, you said your own gems work but just not when using rackup
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<shevy> kindjal: a typical ruby project is installed into ruby's sitedir path by default
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<shevy> for a gem, you usually write a .gemspec file, then you can build a .gem file from that
<kindjal> yes, I did that
<kindjal> and it installs it in /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/
<kindjal> where there are other gems
<shevy> but you can use projects without gems too
<shevy> yes, so now you know your gems work fine! it's only that you have a problem with rackup here
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<kindjal> Gem::LoadError: Could not find RubyGem rubygems (>= 0)
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<rgrinberg> kindjal: why aren't you using rvm?
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<kindjal> I haven't figured out how to properly use rbenv in production.
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<shevy> I have never heard of a rubygems gem before
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<shevy> ERROR: Could not find a valid gem 'rubygems' (>= 0) in any repository
<shevy> in fact, I now claim that it does not exist
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<shevy> btw
<shevy> LoadError: no such file to load -- gpfsquotad
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<shevy> kindjal: I think the centos folks crippled your rubygems
<shevy> I did the same commands you did in irb and I have another result
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<shevy> I use rubygems from source
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<kindjal> interesting
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<shevy> or another explanation is
<shevy> perhaps it is an old or a buggy version of rubygems?
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<shevy> what says: "gem -v" ? for me it is 1.8.25
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<kindjal> 1.3.7
<waxjar> that'll be it :p
<kindjal> sigh
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<waxjar> gem update --system iirc
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<terrellt> Anyone have a good gem or command for url escaping a query?
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<waxjar> terrellt: CGI (in the std lib) has a few methods
<terrellt> Oh, wait, URI::Encode mayhaps.
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<apeiros> URI and CGI have
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<terrellt> waxjar: CGI::escape turned out to be more appropriate. Thank you.
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<shevy> so any of you working on something cool, related to ruby, lately?
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<terrellt> shevy: Not really. Mostly rails projects, a script to synchronize some databases, and a google scholar gem.
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<shevy> :(
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<waxjar> ive been playing with this Fish shell all day, it's neat
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<mjb2k> How are gems expected to be deployed without native build tools being installed on the target system? example is tiny_tds gem which needs to compile against freetds headers
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<shevy> waxjar: this is the one with differently coloured command hints?
<shevy> like you type "abc" and it get red, but when there is a binary called "abcdef" it would be green?
<waxjar> yeah: http://fishshell.com/
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<shevy> mjb2k: hmm... I think you may have to distribute a binary gem in that case
<shevy> I never tried it myself though
<shevy> cool waxjar
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<mjb2k> not being the maintainer of the gem, is there a way I can compile the gem with required binaries for my deployment to a machine of my own?
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<MrZYX> shevy: there's a plugin that ports that functionality to ZSH btw
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<shevy> zsh is only for people with a big brain
<shevy> like vim
<MrZYX> nope
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<MrZYX> you just google a configuration together one time
<MrZYX> and don't worry about it after that
<MrZYX> because it then just does what you expect it to do
<MrZYX> because you can configure everything that it does that
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<shevy> too much configuration!
<MrZYX> heh, I thought that's why we use linux...
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<waxjar> i like the syntax much more, i used to spent hours on the simplest of bash scripts :P
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<shevy> I dunno, I think linux kinda sucks, but it's also the best OS out there, sort of... I have not used a mac though
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<sam113101> what about windows
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<shevy> hmmmm
<shevy> I dunno, I feel microsoft is years past their prime now
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<alecs> Hello!
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<raz> sigh..
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<raz> is there a non-ridiculous http library for ruby?
<alecs> Can anyone help me with a script that allows me to download binary data ?
<zeeraw> Well it depends what you want to do.
<apeiros> SeriousHTTP
<raz> oh.. just a performant curl binding that doesn't segfault
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<raz> that can do keep-alive
<alecs> I am trying to make a ruby class that allows me to download zipfiles on my server ... but ... for some reason those archives are reaching damaged on my server
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<zeeraw> For integration against API's I'd suggest you use Faraday
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<pipework> ^ I tend to use that when I can use gems.
<zeeraw> yeah, it's cool
<zeeraw> it supports middlewares as well making it kind of a reverse rack.
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<zeeraw> Quite wide support as well
<zeeraw> 1.8.7 - 2.0.0
<zeeraw> And jRuby and Rubinius i thik...
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<zeeraw> gotta get off the train, ttyl
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<johnfriel> Does anybody know why Digest::SHA256#hexdigest in ruby 1.8.6 on Ubuntu might crash mysteriously?
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<Luyt> I made a transcript of DHH's interview for FLOSS79, about his history as a programmer and what he likes about Ruby, see http://www.transcribed-interview.com/dhh-rails-david-heinemeier-hansson-interview-randal-schwartz-floss.html
<MrZYX> johnfriel: I think nobody cares. There aren't even security patches anymore for 1.8.6. And they'll stop for 1.8.7 very soon too
<johnfriel> MrZYX: haha, fair enough
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<johnfriel> it's for a client with an ancient app they don't want to update
<MrZYX> get Backtrack and own their customers data
<MrZYX> suddenly they want to
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<johnfriel> haha
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<RiftyMcF3arless> okay, i had to modify a gem for my project, but it's kind of odd. i have gem A and gem B. gem A is used by my project, and requires gem B. so i don't ever have to explicitly require gem B in my actual project code. if i were to require my custom version of gem B in my Gemfile before i require gem A, will gem A use my version or the unmodified system version?
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<RiftyMcF3arless> or do i need to modify gem A as well and force it to require my modified version of gem B?
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<MrZYX> bundler should ensure only ever one version is loaded
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<Gate> RiftyMcF3arless: It shouldn't even have to be before the other in the gemfile. Bundler looks at all your gems and resolves dependencies in the context of each other
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<RiftyMcF3arless> thank you guys
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<JoseeAntonioR> hey guys! when doing a gem install, I get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/5675617/
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<Gate> JoseeAntonioR: apt-get build-essential
<Gate> I think
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<Hanmac1> JoeTheGuest: install "apt-get install ruby-full"
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<apeiros> apt-get uninstall apt-get
<Gate> ANARCHY!
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<shevy> apt-get destroy debian
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<shevy> use apt-get to manage all gems :>
<JoseeAntonioR> Hanmac1: installing ruby-full now, thanks :)
<JoseeAntonioR> I'm not using debian anyways :)
<shevy> lucky you
<shevy> Hanmac1 here is stuck on buntu
<shevy> he loves unity very much
<shevy> and bundler
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<JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, now I'm getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/5675669/ :(
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