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<Guest37307>
Anyone here a pro on Actors? I have some questions :)
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<fryguy>
Guest37307: try just asking your question
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<Guest37307>
Alright. I'm trying to understand how you would model updates to a database using actors (assume your database doesn't have transactions)
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<Guest37307>
Actors avoid shared state, but if you are trying to update a db this is inherent shared state and there's no way to avoid it
<Guest37307>
So I assume there is no pure actor-based solution for this?
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<fryguy>
Guest37307: right
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<Guest37307>
Ok, here's another one, relating to the dining philosophers problem. Here two philosophers are competing for the same fork
<fryguy>
Guest37307: you might want to take a look at mnesia, which is data persistence for erlang (which is inherently actor based), the fundamentals of that database should help clue you in
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<Guest37307>
looks cool, though it doesn't have support for waiting on multiple messages either
<havenwood>
Guest37307: Adding 'dining philosopher' to my todo list, thanks for mentioning! Took a stab at producer-consumer problem, which really seems to fit SizedQueue nicely: https://gist.github.com/havenwood/5572888
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<Guest37307>
That's neat!
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<whitenoise>
hey guys…anyone know how to either use htmlbeautifier within ruby source and not as a command line tool and/or some other html beautifier gem?
<joshlegs>
never used it, sorry
<LLckfan>
Does any1 know how to make the mouse arrow stop moving on its own?
<joshlegs>
LLckfan: your sensore might need cleaning
<LLckfan>
I have claned it
<LLckfan>
It is very clean
<joshlegs>
eh, other than that, dont know what to tell ya
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<whitenoise>
so no tips on html beautification?
<whitenoise>
i have a huge string that is bunch of crammed-together HTML, and I would like to parse it out and not write a parser myself.
<robonerd>
i'm interested in having a conversation with someone about it, but thanks
<Hanmac>
in ruby there is an observer pattern in the stdlib
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<Hanmac>
in one of my bindings i use button.connect(:button_clicked) {|event| }
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<robonerd>
Hanmac ah yea observer pattern is pretty useful
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<robonerd>
it's in the RP 'world'
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<robonerd>
i'm from objective-c, what does "in one of my bindings i use button.connect(:button_clicked) {|event| }" mean?
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<robonerd>
i don't understand 'bindings' in this context
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<robonerd>
"For example, the observer pattern commonly describes data-flows between whole objects/classes, whereas object-oriented reactive programming could target the members of objects/classes."
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<Hanmac>
robonerd: do you know wxWidgets? i make an new ruby gem for it
<robonerd>
nope
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<Hanmac>
"binding" in this context is an C/C++ gem that uses an external C/C++ libary so you can use the features in ruby itself
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<Hanmac>
so it binds the C++ features into ruby
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<robonerd>
so what does your button connect code 'do'?
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<Hanmac>
robonerd: the wxButton has also an Connect method, (but its in C++) i only write my code around so you can use it in ruby too
<robonerd>
no clue what you're saying but thx anyway
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<somasonic>
i have a class and for each child of that class I need a unique ID - is class variables a good way to do this? (@id == @@id; @@id = @@id + 1)?
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<evelyette>
hi, does anybody know why I get the error in Net::HTTP when downloading an image: http://dpaste.com/1155762/
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<r0bglees0n>
evelyette: ::Get.new expects a string
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<evelyette>
r0bglees0n: I don't think so, now I get: :String (NoMethodError)
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<BonSequitur>
In a module/mixin, how do I make an instance method refer to its actual class? E.g., if I have a 'Foo' module and a 'Bar' class that includes 'Foo', how do I make instance methods in 'Foo' that return a 'Bar' object?
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<sebastianb>
apeiros: cross-post with what?
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<sebastianb>
different channel? mailing-list? reddit? :P
<sebastianb>
I'm just curious
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<bnagy>
BonSequitur: it sounds like you're doing something weird and ugly
<bnagy>
BonSequitur: but in the module, just do self.class.new
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<bnagy>
assuming it has been included in Bar you'll get a Bar instance
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<BonSequitur>
bnagy: Why would that be weird and ugly?
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<bnagy>
instance methods on a class don't usually return new instances of that class
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<bnagy>
... hm ok that's a badly wrong way to put it :)
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<BonSequitur>
Half the standard library does that. :P
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<BonSequitur>
Though maybe it's more idiomatic to write a bang! method mutator and then implement the bangless method as dup.bang!
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<apeiros>
sebastianb: anything. in this case, a different channel.
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<bnagy>
actually I can think of a ton of reasons you'd want to do that, I was just Wrong
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<BonSequitur>
This came up with me doodling around with totally useless, abstract crap though, so I couldn't provide a counterargument anyway. :P
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<thearchitectnlog>
guys
<thearchitectnlog>
Gem bundler is not installed, run `gem install bundler`
<thearchitectnlog>
am trying to install ruby on mac
<thearchitectnlog>
any support
<thearchitectnlog>
?
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<banister`tv>
thearchitectnlog: rvm.io
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<thearchitectnlog>
already installed everything
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<thearchitectnlog>
am getthing this error Gem bundler is not installed, run `gem install bundler`
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<bnagy>
booo rvm
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<thearchitectnlog>
??
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<bnagy>
I don't like rvm
<thearchitectnlog>
i just need it for metasploit
<thearchitectnlog>
anyone experienxed to solve this issue
<thearchitectnlog>
Gem bundler is not installed, run `gem install bundler`
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<bnagy>
we heard you the first two times
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<thearchitectnlog>
and no one can help ?
<thearchitectnlog>
791 uesrs
<thearchitectnlog>
users
<bnagy>
I'm assuming that everyone is waiting for the error you get when you run gem install bundler
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<BonSequitur>
Quadlex: All you can do with it is Hello World, and you have to put () after a function call? Nah, it's clearly a parody of Python...
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<thearchitectnlog>
any help
<thearchitectnlog>
for the biundler thing
<_br_>
thearchitectnlog: paste again please
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<maasha>
hey
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<MrZYX>
hi
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<maasha>
major DOS attack on freenode apparently?
<maasha>
how is the stability?
<Sp4rKy>
depending of ddos :)
<MrZYX>
in the recent days, yes, I think it should be better now. But why are you asking #ruby and not #freenode? :)
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<maasha>
ah, I just saw a tweet. I was surprised #ruby was alive. Anyways - I'd rather hang out here than in #freenode ;o)
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<r0bglees0n>
maasha: it hasnt been that bad. a few new splits & ping timeouts but other than that the ddos hasn't stopped intellgient people creating information and thought instead of those who try to prevent that
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<MrZYX>
I never understood ones motivation behind DDoS'ing freenode
<maasha>
ok. the webchat is down. I am using some weird client now. Not that the webchat client is great ...
<Zelest>
I bet it's Microsoft raging!
<Zelest>
Skype + .NET = Skynet
<maasha>
MrZYX: just my words
<r0bglees0n>
haha
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<r0bglees0n>
MrZYX: it's because someone here might piss somebody off in some way, and their reaction(because they're helpless to do anything else i guess) is to turn to a ddos.
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<r0bglees0n>
MrZYX: that's one of the possible reasons, there can be political & all sorts of other reasons, but i dont think thatd be the case with freenode.
<Zelest>
how about, "because they can" ..? :P
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<r0bglees0n>
pretty retarded reason
<Zelest>
it still suit packetkiddies, doesn't it?
<Zelest>
ddos in general is pretty retarded
<r0bglees0n>
its usually a rage-reaction in my experience
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<r0bglees0n>
but sure it could be just "having fun"
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<r0bglees0n>
Zelest: its effective if you have a high level political purpose for doing it.
<Zelest>
I've seen my fair share of packetkiddies basically taunting others to have a reason to ddos them when they lose the argument..
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<Zelest>
is it, really?
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<Zelest>
I've seen the anon-kids packet tons of swedish websites without much effect at all other than those websites being unavailable for a few hours
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<Zelest>
it's just pointless and costs bandwidth.. nothing less, nothing more.
<r0bglees0n>
well, it accomplishs their purpose in the sense that yeah, it takes their target down.
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<r0bglees0n>
i think governments can just outright block access to websites, so they probably dont need to resort to DDoS.
<Zelest>
mhm
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<r0bglees0n>
china is suppose to be taking a serious approach to cyber "warfare"
<r0bglees0n>
oh, and i guess the west as well, do you remember the virus destined for Iran?
<r0bglees0n>
it was suppose to destroy their nuclear reactors
<r0bglees0n>
or disable them
<r0bglees0n>
yeah
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<r0bglees0n>
i think freenode is being ddosed because somebody got annoyed
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<MrZYX>
no, it was to slow down their production of uranium
<r0bglees0n>
ahh
<r0bglees0n>
okay, and did it hit?
<MrZYX>
they targeted the centrifuges
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<r0bglees0n>
what was it called?
<MrZYX>
well, they indeed damaged some and the output in that year would've been higher
<r0bglees0n>
sputnik?
<MrZYX>
stuxnet
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<r0bglees0n>
yeah thats interesting
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<MrZYX>
sputnik is a russian satellite
<MrZYX>
;)
<r0bglees0n>
hehehe
<r0bglees0n>
was it a windows virus?
<MrZYX>
that's the interesting part, yes it was. But only too
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<MrZYX>
it was the first one to contain a rootkit for a PLC
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<MrZYX>
well, the first known oe
<MrZYX>
*one
<r0bglees0n>
interesting
<r0bglees0n>
so it was something a little better than your ordinary virus
<MrZYX>
it included four or five 0days
machuga|away is now known as machuga
<MrZYX>
and was likely in development since 2005
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<r0bglees0n>
heh
<r0bglees0n>
pretty effective i gotta say
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<r0bglees0n>
it'd be hard to guard against that
<MrZYX>
the other interesting part is that it remained inactive unless it found a specific environment (some siemens softwares)
<r0bglees0n>
how did it spread?
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<MrZYX>
like a worm, but only limited, it only infected at most 3 other hosts
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<r0bglees0n>
weird
<r0bglees0n>
how did it find its way into iran?
<MrZYX>
it also had a kill switch
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<MrZYX>
probably regular real world inflitration
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<MrZYX>
it was an iranian technician who connected is laptop to the internet
<r0bglees0n>
if it is not attacking three other hosts id guess so
<r0bglees0n>
s/not/only/
<r0bglees0n>
ah interesting
<r0bglees0n>
so probably agents bugged him
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<r0bglees0n>
sounds like a james bond movie
<MrZYX>
no, I mean over that route it spread into the internet
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<MrZYX>
it never was really targeted at leaving the facility
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<r0bglees0n>
oh
<r0bglees0n>
thats how it got loose?
<MrZYX>
yep
<MrZYX>
well, the specific version of it
<r0bglees0n>
how the hell did they get it into the facility
<r0bglees0n>
that would be hard as well without an informer or something
<r0bglees0n>
hell*
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<MrZYX>
symantec says after it became public they discovered early versions back to 2007 iirc
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<MrZYX>
well, you can infect a workers usb drive for example
<MrZYX>
or trick one to open a mail
<r0bglees0n>
true
<MrZYX>
in fact it did include a windows 0day to spread from a usb drive
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<r0bglees0n>
sounds like a really smart operation
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<MrZYX>
yeah, nothing you do to gain some money
<MrZYX>
or you do in your backyard
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<r0bglees0n>
yeah
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<MrZYX>
they had to have access to the same type of centrifuges to develop it
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<r0bglees0n>
but it was pretty effective, if it didnt get out
<r0bglees0n>
i guess iran runs their network in total isolation now
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<MrZYX>
well, they first admitted they're infected, but revoked that a few days later, calling it western propaganda. Then they stated they'll "ramp up their cyber warfare capabilities"
<MrZYX>
that's about all of their statements on the topic
<r0bglees0n>
not on merits of technology :p just a cool idea.
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<MrZYX>
the package delta stuff?
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<r0bglees0n>
oh nah, i thought it was cool because its used throughout government as a solution to business/office tasks, and its free & open source, pretty transparent.
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<seoaqua>
do we have mongomapper channel in freenode? or does anyone know how to control the similar collections with mongomapper? like collections: items_001, items_002 ...
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<r0bglees0n>
MrZYX: thats cool. the screenshot looks hella old though.
<MrZYX>
;D
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<r0bglees0n>
seoaqua: #rubyonrails might be better
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<seoaqua>
r0bglees0n, sorry i need to do this with ruby only
<r0bglees0n>
seoaqua: yeah but mongomapper is used in the context of rails a lot of the time, so more peeps there might know, at least worth a shot
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<seoaqua>
r0bglees0n, oh i see
<seoaqua>
r0bglees0n, thanks~~
<r0bglees0n>
i dont think it has an IRC channel but maybe a mailing list
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<seoaqua>
r0bglees0n, what do you call about the 'similar tables' ? like table_001, table_002, which is a common database optimization way
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<r0bglees0n>
seoaqua: i dont know much about similar tables.
<seoaqua>
r0bglees0n, ok:)
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<r0bglees0n>
seoaqua: are you trying to segment one table into multiple smaller tables?
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<seoaqua>
r0bglees0n, yes, segment i finally get the word>.<
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<r0bglees0n>
seoaqua: cool
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<r0bglees0n>
seoaqua: where are you from?
<seoaqua>
r0bglees0n, china mainland
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<r0bglees0n>
ah cool
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<seoaqua>
r0bglees0n, and you?
<raluxgaza>
Hey fellas how goes it
<r0bglees0n>
im from ireland but i live in the netherlands.
<r0bglees0n>
hey
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<hoelzro>
I also live in NL =)
<seoaqua>
milk cow country?
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<r0bglees0n>
lol
<seoaqua>
maybe you guys are next door to each other
<r0bglees0n>
it is a small country :)
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<apeiros>
wtf? when I use a gem I wrote in a directory with a gemfile, it uses the bundled version?!?
<apeiros>
and I have zero code in my gem to trigger bundler…
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<zeel>
in regards to " when I use a gem I wrote in a directory with a gemfile, it uses the bundled version"
<MrZYX>
yes
<zeel>
or is that natural for RVM ?
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<zeel>
I see
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<ellipse>
zeel: \
<zeel>
what ellipse ?
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<ellipse>
\binary
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<ellipse>
It is a shell thing, like RVM.
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<gazarsgo>
i have a simple local connection defined in my database.yml and rake db:create can't connect to mysql. tried 127.0.0.1 and localhost, both work with mysql command line client but I get "Can't connect to…" error from `rake db:create`...
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<judofyr>
gazarsgo: you might get more help in #rubyonrails
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<gazarsgo>
thank you
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<gazarsgo>
was nervous #rails seemed so empty :)
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<thinkanish>
hi, i am new to ruby and just finished the basic "ruby in 20 minutes" and first time in the ruby channel :)
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<wedgewood>
Hello all, I am making a POST request using Net::HTTP.post_form method, when I'm using version 2.0, then it works fine, but in version 1.9.3 i get this error "rescue in rbuf_fill': Timeout::Error (Timeout::Error)"
<Sou|cutter>
thinkanish: welcome to #ruby
<wedgewood>
Increasing Time out doesn't work.
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<thinkanish>
Can i write script for conky using ruby?
<hoelzro>
aren't conky scripts written in Lua?
<lectrick>
I don't know why but this morning it pissed me off that all these 2factor auth schemes are super simple at their core so I reimplemented all of them in 10 lines of Ruby https://gist.github.com/pmarreck/5576245
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<hoelzro>
(I'm guessing conky can shell out to external programs, though)
<thinkanish>
hoelzro: no, conky accepts python scripts too.. so I need to know whether it will accept ruby scripts
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<fryguy>
lectrick: uh, how is that 2factor?
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<hoelzro>
thinkanish: where did you read that it accepts python?
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<Sou|cutter>
wedgewood: I'm skeptical that you've increased the timeout...
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<Sou|cutter>
wedgewood: post a gist
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<lectrick>
fryguy: this would be run over a 2nd channel. All the schemes work this way. You input a pre shared key shared over the 1st channel and from that point on the authentication happens in part via the 2nd channel auth
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<pskosinski>
Ruby + GUI = hell…
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<pskosinski>
Well, in case of GTK it is like in any other language…
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<Hanmac1>
pskosinski: i use ruby for my wxWidgets
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<pskosinski>
Hanmac1: Yeah, I know. :) I dream about something so simple as HTML…
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<pskosinski>
Shoes is simple but I'm not fan of apps working only on one interpreter :<
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<Hanmac>
pskosinski: you can make the gui with an editor like wxFormBuilder and then use the xrc files with my binding (okay my binding is not finish yet but its still better than wxruby)
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<rgrinberg>
fxruby forever!
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<davout>
how does one clear the screen in ruby ?
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<davout>
thought about `clear`
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<davout>
kinda ugly though
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<pskosinski>
%x{clear} ?
<pskosinski>
will execute shell clear :p
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<pskosinski>
Or not
<ericwood>
is it the same as backticks, or the same as system() ?
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<davout>
same as backticks i believe, i don't think it works with system
<ericwood>
neat
<ericwood>
backticks are cooler, though
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<ericwood>
can you interpolate in %x{} ?
<davout>
interpolation is available in backticks
<ericwood>
yes, but what about %x?
<pskosinski>
Oh, it runs command in subshell, nvm,, sorry :(
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<apeiros>
cusco: that does not answer my question.
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<havenn_>
cusco: String that date is being parsed from always look the same?
<cusco>
apeiros: I'm not sure.. as I said I never wrote python, I'm just trying to make a build script work, to convert emlx email format to mbox ... I guess it reads the email headers and use 'YYYY-mm-dd HH:ii:ss'
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<apeiros>
s/python/ruby/ :-p
<cusco>
rather
<cusco>
yes ruby, sorry
<cusco>
:/
<cusco>
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:04:26 -0000
<cusco>
thios is a date string in the emlx file
<apeiros>
isn't that rfc822 format?
<apeiros>
>> Time.rfc822("Tue, 14 May 2013 18:44:54 +0200")
<apeiros>
cusco: knowing your problem has nothing to do with ruby
<apeiros>
knowing how to *solve* your problem may have.
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<Hanmac>
i dont think so because Hashs are insert ordered, not sorted
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<MrZYX>
well, you can still call sort_by, but you get an array back
<cusco>
apeiros: my problem is that I need to convert my boss'es 50G of emlx mail to something acceptable.. I found a ruby script that could perhaps do it...
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<cusco>
I guess I can study the format if the emlx and convert ti to maildir files, it would take ages however
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<ericwood>
because .size is better
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<helllen_>
helllo
<helllen_>
I am getting this error: /usr/local/rvm/rubies/ruby-2.0.0-p0/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.0.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:107:in `require': cannot load such file -- rubygems/format (LoadError)
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<helllen_>
I am using ruby-2.0.0
<helllen_>
and I don't know what to do :-(
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<MrZYX>
do not require rubygems/format
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<helllen_>
I have checked and I haven't the file: /usr/local/rvm/rubies/ruby-2.0.0-p0/lib/ruby/2.0.0/rubygems/format.rb
<helllen_>
while the 1.9.1 has it
<rsahae>
why are you requiring rubygems/format?
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<helllen_>
I don't know, probably chef-client need it
<nanny>
do I have to do it manually or is there a script somewhere?
<musl>
nanny: That depends on how you installed it. Did you use RVM, a package manager, or did you install from source?
<MrZYX>
that depends on how you installed it
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<nanny>
source I think
<MrZYX>
helllen_: from /usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p0/gems/chef-11.4.4/lib/chef/provider/package/rubygems.rb:34:in `<top (required)>' so the issue is with chef itself
<nanny>
I really don't remember
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<MrZYX>
it's under /usr/local/bin
<MrZYX>
?
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<helllen_>
yes I have seed this line and it has: require 'rubygems/format'
<helllen_>
the problem is on ruby-2.0.0 it has not this file
<helllen_>
on 1.9.3 it has it
<MrZYX>
helllen_: search for/open a bug report on chef
<rsahae>
yes, ruby 2.0 specifically said they moved the format class to Gem::Package
<helllen_>
I see
<rsahae>
so the file is in a different location
<MrZYX>
I already linked you the changelog stating that it was moved elsewhere
<helllen_>
ok
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<rsahae>
you could edit the chef source to require 'rubygems/package/format'
<rsahae>
that might fix it
<rsahae>
I would double check the exact path
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<rhys>
I have a centos6 box. gem install json. 'require json' fails. Is there a quick way to fix this someone knows?
<MrZYX>
centos... hmm ruby 1.8 I guess?
<rhys>
1.8.7 yeah
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<rsahae>
err, never mind, they didn't MOVE the class, they actually merged it into Package
<rsahae>
so the entire implementation is different
<MrZYX>
do a require 'rubygems', but consider upgrading to 1.9, official support for 1.8 will end like this month
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<rhys>
MrZYX, this is my puppet server, so mostly I just use their dependencies.
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<MrZYX>
just saying, security issue will likely remain unpatched in the future for that version. Your decision after all
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<Naeblis>
Hello. How would one append hash keys and values into a string?
<rgrinberg>
Naeblis: in what format?
<Naeblis>
rgrinberg: mm, whatever really. Just want to pretty-print some numbers in a hash.
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<rsahae>
you could use prettyprint?
<rsahae>
it really depends on how exactly you want to format it
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<apeiros>
hash.inspect gets you a string
<apeiros>
@ Naeblis
<MrZYX>
apeiros: might want to bump topic btw
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<MrZYX>
-p195 and -p429
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<Naeblis>
will iterating over the hash with .each and appending it to string (however you might do that), be a good practice or is there a better way? I want something like "Value of <key> is <val>" separated by newlines.
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<apeiros>
MrZYX: will do
<MrZYX>
Naeblis: hsh.map {|k,v| "Value of #{k} is #{v}" }.join("\n"
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<PigDude>
does mysql2 gem work on ruby 2? i get lots o deprectaiton warnings on compile, and then failure, but there's no -Werror in the makefile, so i'm not sure what's going on. not much in the make log
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<aedorn>
oooh, p195
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<aedorn>
oh, and 1.9.3-p429
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<kapowaz>
kramdown specialists. I'm trying to do some funky things with kramdown, to introspect the DOM structure of a HTML document generated with it.
<kapowaz>
anyone done anything like this? know of any gems that are useful for this kind of work?
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<Naeblis>
When I print "Running out of space on %s :( (%s)" % [`hostname`, Time.now.ctime] I get a newline b/w the hostname and the sadface. Any way to remove that?
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<r0bglees0n>
[Neurotic]: `hostname`.chomp
<aedorn>
`hostname`.strip
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<r0bglees0n>
Naeblis: ^
<Naeblis>
ok, thanks
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<kesor>
i'm trying to use eventmachine em-synchrony to serve http with data from redis, but when I try and use redis commands in the server handler class I get can't yield from root fiber (FiberError) - can anyone help?
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<rhys>
if i run hash.select i should get a hash back right?
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<Spooner>
rhys: Only if you aren't on Ruby 1.8.
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<rhys>
HA
<rhys>
damnit.
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<Spooner>
You can just drop the result into Hash[] to get the 1.8 result back to a Hash.
<Spooner>
rhys, Hash[{:a => 1}.select {true}] will give you a hash regardless of version.
<Naeblis>
Getting a parsing error on indentation changing in the str = <<END_OF_MESSAGE string assignment. "Can't find string "END_OF_MESSAGE" anywhere before EOF". But if I change indentation, it works.
<workmad3>
Naeblis: it's not indentation
<rhys>
Spooner, I appreciate it.
<workmad3>
Naeblis: it's that <<END_OF_MESSAGE is a heredoc declaration
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<workmad3>
Naeblis: oh wait, are you trying to indent the final END_OF_MESSAGE?
<workmad3>
Naeblis: if so, I believe you need <<-END_OF_MESSAGE
<Spooner>
rhys, No, Hash() would be consistent with Array() ;)
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<Spooner>
It isn't quite the same though, since it accepts either a hash or an array of pairs (the latter being the output of select on 1.8).
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<Spooner>
Or the params are alternating key & values.
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<Sicp>
is there a character reader that I can employ?
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<Sicp>
I want to control when the reader moves on to the next character, according to something else
<Sicp>
right now I just do gets.chomp and iterator over the result
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<rhys>
Spooner, thanks.
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<Sicp>
I'm not even sure what I'm asking
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<Sicp>
let me just think about this
<Spooner>
Use getc(har) rather than gets?
<MrZYX>
try to describe your problem, not the solution you think you need ;)
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<Sicp>
you see there's a big case over the input, whenever I read 1 char, something happens and for some other chars, things dont happen until a sequence of other things happens
<Sicp>
so my issue is the need to break out of the loop at certain times to read, and then get back in
<Sicp>
to do `continue`
<MrZYX>
sounds like a statemachine
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<Sicp>
it is
<Sicp>
parser
<MrZYX>
then use one? ;)
<Sicp>
no I have to write one
<MrZYX>
hm
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<MrZYX>
what's wrong with getting all input and iterating over it?
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<Sicp>
sometimes when you read a certain symbol, in the grammar you have to first do some things before you are allowed to push that symbol successfully into the stack and move on
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<Sicp>
yea I just need continue logic
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<MrZYX>
so you designed the FSM already?
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<Sicp>
yea and the parsing table and traced an input
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<Sicp>
you see if I feed the characters to the parser one by one at each interval, it works fine
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<Sicp>
it does what its supposed to do perfectly, but when reading automatically, it moves on to the next character when reading, as is natural
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<Sicp>
I know :)
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<MrZYX>
I'd just a method per state, def state_a; do_stuff; call_state [:state_b, :state_c]; end; def call_state allowed_states; state = case getc; when 'bla' then :state_c; ... end; allowed_states.include?(state) ? public_send(state) : failed; end
<MrZYX>
or something like that
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<Sicp>
that's the recursive descent parser
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<Sicp>
here I'm writing for an LL(1) grammar
<Sicp>
fucking compiler stuff
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<apeiros>
compiling fucker stuff?
<Sicp>
stuffing compiler fucks
<MrZYX>
*compelling
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<bw_>
fucking dragons in my book
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<MrZYX>
baby dragons! \o/
<Sicp>
my god, what brains developed all of it
<Sicp>
all of this*
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<Sicp>
so if I say "next if ........" will that override the natural reading process?
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<MrZYX>
that's continue
<Sicp>
of course not, it's still going to keep on reading everything just as per the functionality of gets
<atmosx>
gimp2 is taking forever to compile on my macbook air
<atmosx>
shit
<Sicp>
Java has reader.next()
<atmosx>
java? eeewww
<Sicp>
I know, but I wanted to make the idea clearer
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<MrZYX>
atmosx: using all cores?
<atmosx>
MrZYX: no idea, it should though
<MrZYX>
make -jmake_me_fast
<atmosx>
okay staging it...
<atmosx>
MrZYX: no, I use macports
<MrZYX>
where make_me_fast=cores-1
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<apeiros>
an object is not a block, it's an object.
<paxcoder>
it makes less
<apeiros>
a block is not an object, it's a block.
<paxcoder>
fine.
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<apeiros>
and the question "what is a block" is answered by "a piece of code".
<kesor>
billiam: thanks. it looks like it is using em-hiredis though, which is a different gem. but redis-rb has its own synchrony driver, which I can't understand how to use properly.
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<apeiros>
whereas an object is "a piece of data" (with associated code)
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<paxcoder>
apeiros: usually pieces of code make lambdas/closures/functions/objects, and you pass those around (via references under the hood)
<apeiros>
"usually" means "in the languages I know so far". ≠ usually.
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<paxcoder>
apeiros: usually.
<apeiros>
how many languages do you know?
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<paxcoder>
about 13
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<apeiros>
good.
<apeiros>
NOT usually.
<paxcoder>
usually.
<apeiros>
there's some >200 languages.
<akhet>
ffs ...i barely know this one
<apeiros>
your puny 13 don't even make a dent.
<gazarsgo>
i don't know this one :) how do i share state across requests in ruby, or from within passenger ?
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<akhet>
i meant english -_-
<MrZYX>
gazarsgo: sounds like a rails question
<apeiros>
gazarsgo: depends on your framework
<paxcoder>
apeiros: i'm sorry, i'm still waiting for a single counterexample of yours
<apeiros>
paxcoder: ruby.
<apeiros>
trollol?
<gazarsgo>
there's no language level facility for managing persistent state ?
<Sicp>
hah, this code is doing magic......what the fuck
<Xeago>
what did I miss here..
<kesor>
billiam: i found help in that ticket after all! :) thank you!
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<Sicp>
I say push, I have the puts debugging statement show up, yet it does something different!
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<apeiros>
gazarsgo: there is no language level concept of "request"
<paxcoder>
So can anyone honestly try to answer my question? What is a code block really, and how does it get passed around. And more importantly, why isn't it an object (for the sake of uniformity / ubiquity)?
<apeiros>
gazarsgo: hence there's no language level facility for "managing persistent state across requests"
<MrZYX>
paxcoder: I second apeiros answer
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<apeiros>
paxcoder: your question has been answered.
<paxcoder>
MrZYX: I am not satisfied by tautologies
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<Xeago>
paxcoder: you ever heard of closures?
<Xeago>
or of monoids?
<gazarsgo>
monads ?
<Xeago>
welp :\
<paxcoder>
Xeago: yes
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<Xeago>
go read ruby source code then
<paxcoder>
gazarsgo: i have, but i wouldn't say i get them
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<apeiros>
gazarsgo: re persistent state: if you have a single process and it keeps running between requests, you can use constructs like constants, globals, instance variables (assuming you have instances that stay around across requests)
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<apeiros>
gazarsgo: if you have either multiple processes or a process can be respawned, you'll have to use something like a database or some other means of persistence.
<Sicp>
ok, I see the problem now; when my input has ) inside of it (e.g. ((a),a,(a,a))$) it does not even read the )
<MrZYX>
paxcoder: keep working with ruby then, maybe it'll click one day. For now interpret them as lambdas or closures that have special syntax for defining, passing and calling and are run the context they were defined in
<Sicp>
when I enter it manually, char by char, it sees it
<Sicp>
wtf is this
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<apeiros>
Sicp: gist a reproducable example and we can try to help
<Xeago>
Sicp: mind repasting the code, I only recently got here
<paxcoder>
MrZYX: are Ruby lambdas not objects?
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* apeiros
wonders how many times paxcoder needs to ask this in order to believe the answer.
<Xeago>
paxcoder: try, if that fails, read ruby source code to find out..
<MrZYX>
ruby lambdas are a special variant of ruby procs, blocks however aren't either one of them
<paxcoder>
apeiros: are you implying blocks are the same thing as lambdas?
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<Sicp>
yea I have my irb
<paxcoder>
(special case, rather?)
<apeiros>
paxcoder: I'm not implying anything
<paxcoder>
powerfherf
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<Sicp>
but it's so strange, you see the rules for reading comma and the rules for reading right bracket are the same except for one exception, whenever the end of the stack is 4 they differ, the rest is the same for the same contents of the end of the stack
<MrZYX>
you can however convert blocks to proc objects and we even have syntax to do that
<MrZYX>
(and to do the reverse)
<Sicp>
so I've seen that it goes to execute the rules for comma, totally disregarding that it is reading a right bracket
<Sicp>
unless I run the parser and type ) strictly, it accepts it and does what it should
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<rsahae>
did paxcoder finally give up?
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<apeiros>
rsahae: not sure. he might be reordering the words of his question.
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<MrZYX>
no, that's taking too long. I bet on the characters instead
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<Xeago>
anyone concerned about CVE-2013-2094?
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<apeiros>
not knowledgable enough to be concerned :(
<rsahae>
do I even dare ask what his original question was? I think I connect in the middle of that . . . episode
<apeiros>
he asked what blocks are if not objects.
<MrZYX>
my grep -RIn "DL\." $GEM_HOME only brought up a couple of DL::PtrData.malloc(DL.sizeof("L")) and DL.malloc(DL::SIZEOF_LONG), so not too much
<aedorn>
maybe he's running question.split('').shuffle.join a few times to really confuse things
<apeiros>
and he doesn't like the answer of them being their own little thing.
<apeiros>
because "usually" they're objects
<apeiros>
(his words)
<rsahae>
ok, I won't get involved, keep up the good work
<Xeago>
apeiros: you are aware of it, tho?
<paxcoder>
apeiros: well, some of my words, anyway
<apeiros>
rsahae: why not? just tell him they are objects and we're just dumbfucks. he can then go happily :)
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<MrZYX>
as if he doesn't want to call a method on them then
<apeiros>
Xeago: not until 1min ago
<Xeago>
It escalates privileges
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<apeiros>
(since I don't use linux and am not responsible for the security of our servers)
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<aedorn>
Xeago: Is that the privilege escalation issue I saw earlier today?
<Xeago>
probably
<Sicp>
nonsense, everyone is responsible for security
<Xeago>
I just verified it across my open hosts, and taking them down
<apeiros>
Xeago: oy, reading through, it does sound worrying
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<apeiros>
Sicp: different parts of security
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<Sicp>
even your mouse must be secure!!!
<Xeago>
just tip them off, least you can do
<apeiros>
:)
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<aedorn>
I'm not worried about it ... feel free to use it on my servers. I need more reasons to hire someone other than "I only get to sleep 3 hours a week".
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<aedorn>
mmmm yup... vulnerable on some
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<aedorn>
Well, that's sad.
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<Xeago>
it is quite concerning for stack providers, I provide a stack to my school community
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<Xeago>
luckily my stack is re-wipable
<Xeago>
if that is the word
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<aedorn>
Yeah... I would imagine. I don't have to worry about it just because I don't provide any kind of access. Which makes my security watching rather boring.
<Xeago>
aedorn: not even any third party services?
<Xeago>
recently ssh had a remote code execution exploit
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<aedorn>
Nope. Even git is locked down to just myself. Most dangerous thing I have to worry about is the power going out... ;)
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<bw_>
ssh had a remote coden exceution exploit?!
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<RiftyMcF3arless>
i'm writing a program that utilizes an infinite loop and looking for a way to gracefully interrupt it w/ user input. i found some solutions online, and tried one of them in a test script, which worked perfectly. also works in IRB. however, implementing the concept into my code fails to function. i'm not sure why (which is why i'm here), but i'd like to understand why, and if there's anything i can do to make it work.
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<enthrops>
RiftyMcF3arless: code?
<apeiros>
RiftyMcF3arless: gist.github.com
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<RiftyMcF3arless>
certainly. one sec
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<RiftyMcF3arless>
should've done that first.
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<rhys>
:O ruby lets you do this kind of wizardry? my_hash.each { |k, v| my_hash[k] = v.upcase }
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<apeiros>
rhys: yes, why?
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<rhys>
assign to a variable inside of messing with the variable.
<enthrops>
rhys: wait till you see real wizardry
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<r0bglees0n>
rhys: you shouldnt do that
<otters>
wait until eigenclasses
<r0bglees0n>
rhys: its bad practice
<rhys>
r0bglees0n, but... it works?
<r0bglees0n>
rhys: yeah
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<enthrops>
rhys: look at how 'each' is implemented, nothing magical
<RiftyMcF3arless>
guys, apologies for the lack of proper formatting -- github wont seem to let me select from the language dropdown... https://gist.github.com/Inkybro/5580047
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<RiftyMcF3arless>
method in question is 'harvest', in both classes
<rhys>
i'm looking for a way to do operations on every value in a hash in place.
<rhys>
r0bglees0n, is there a better way to do that than what i pasted?
<MrZYX>
hm isn't there a Hash#map! ?
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<RiftyMcF3arless>
also excuse the nastiness, i'm in the middle of trying to improve this code, so it has tons of comments and shit everywhere
<rhys>
MrZYX, I think there us, map is part of enurable.
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<r0bglees0n>
rhys: my_hash.values.map(&:upcase!)
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<MrZYX>
well, each then
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<rhys>
whats the &: ?
<MrZYX>
I prefer each if I don't care about the return value
<RiftyMcF3arless>
&:... isn't that like assignment?
<RiftyMcF3arless>
can't recall now
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<apeiros>
it's & and :upcase!
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<RiftyMcF3arless>
doh
<apeiros>
:upcase! is a symbol (an object, like "hello" is an object)
<RiftyMcF3arless>
what is the ampersand for
<apeiros>
and & tells ruby to treat the object as a block
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<RiftyMcF3arless>
ok
<RiftyMcF3arless>
makes sense
<apeiros>
ruby calls .to_proc on the object if it isn't a Proc
<MrZYX>
I feel the need for a bot that has answers for stuff like that
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<RiftyMcF3arless>
i see now
<MrZYX>
it comes up like every two days
<RiftyMcF3arless>
>.<
<apeiros>
MrZYX: yes, canned answers… we had an FAQ once…
<apeiros>
I probably should set up a new one
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<RiftyMcF3arless>
dont mean to be a bother. always trying to learn more :P
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<rhys>
every programming channel has canned answers I've been in, because there are always n00bs asking the same questions.
<MrZYX>
RiftyMcF3arless: oh please don't interpret it that way
<RiftyMcF3arless>
just being polite :P
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<RiftyMcF3arless>
i've been an avid fan of ruby for about 5 years, maybe 6. still learning the more complex bits, however
<MrZYX>
me getting tired of typing that out doesn't mean I want to stop teaching it ;)
<RiftyMcF3arless>
that's why this threading nonsense is killing me
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<rhys>
apeiros, thats weird and clever. but I don't need uppercase, i have to split and strip and some stuff. but that form will be great. thanks.
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<daniel_->
anyone can tell me how I can iterate over an arry and compare entries with another array list, e.g. delete an item if its in the list
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<apeiros>
daniel_-: that's inefficient
<apeiros>
you might be interested in things like Array#-, #| and #&
<Sebboh>
gem install jekyll requires root. Is that normal?
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<apeiros>
those use set operations and are much faster than nested iterations
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<Sebboh>
Apparently I can use something called rvm to handle gem installation to user directories. But the recommended method of installing rvm is to download a shellscript and pipe it into bash.