#ruby on 2012-01-24 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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01:01 <newbold> yay it's alindeman :)

01:02 <alindeman_> Heh, hi

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01:03 <newbold> alindeman_: every single day, I check to see if you've released the nick "a" yet

01:03 <newbold> alindeman_: ok not really but that's one awesome nick :)

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01:09 <fabianhjr> Hey, I need to teach programming basics to some 4th grade kids. I remember a very beautiful implementation of Ruby for Kids similar to sractch(Wasn't graphic)

01:09 <fabianhjr> It was something like Hatchet, can anyone help?

01:09 <newbold> fabianhjr: was it http://shoesrb.com/ ?

01:10 <fabianhjr> Nope, though something like that

01:10 <fabianhjr> It provided its own kid friendly IDE.

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01:10 <banister`gone> fabianhjr: isn't it calls kidsruby ?

01:11 <banister`gone> fabianhjr: http://kidsruby.com/

01:11 <fabianhjr> Looks great, though I am not too sure.

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01:12 <banister`gone> fabianhjr: http://kidsruby.com/about

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01:12 <fabianhjr> Yes, I downloaded it. Thanks!

01:13 <jesser> hello, I need some help building ruby 1.9.2p290 on solaris.

01:13 <fabianhjr> Wow

01:13 <fabianhjr> banister`gone: thanks, it was in the about page. Hackety-Hack

01:13 <fabianhjr> http://hackety.com/

01:13 <fabianhjr> Though now I am not too sure which one should I use.

01:14 <banister`gone> fabianhjr: i was told hackethack was kid of buggy and crashed all the time

01:14 <fabianhjr> Well, lets try kidsruby.

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01:14 <fabianhjr> Thanks, you saved me some trouble. :)

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01:16 <jesser> my problem is miniruby can't locate my libgcc_s.so.1 despite configure being called with LDFLAGS="-L/opt/csw/lib -I/opt/csw/lib -R/opt/csw/lib"

01:18 <jesser> and even setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/csw/lib doesn't seem to work. (libgcc_s.so.1 is under /opt/csw/lib/ )

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01:21 <finnomenon> can somebody explain me unless !!ENV["string"] and !!ENV["string"] ?

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01:30 <amacgregor_osx> I'm looking for a way to convert a DateTime object to mileseconds

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01:34 <dagnachewa> hey

01:35 <amacgregor_osx> hey'

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01:50 <PIPES> anyone here?

01:50 <amacgregor_osx> seems there is no one

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01:51 <amacgregor_osx> I'm trying to figure out how to convert a ruby datetime object to a javascript date

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02:14 <Gekz> vim users!

02:14 <Gekz> I am wondering how I can change my tabs to two spaces only for ruby files

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02:15 <jesser> Gekz: au FileType ruby set ts=2 sw=2 tw=100 sts=2 expandtab

02:16 <jesser> (in your ~/.vimrc ... plus you might need some other things to go with that)

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02:17 <Gekz> jesser: a good starting point, thanks :D

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02:45 <optikalmouse> what are ppl using in emacs for ruby development?

02:45 <optikalmouse> and for rails stuff? ;p

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02:49 <banister`gone> .

02:49 <optikalmouse> .

02:50 <optikalmouse> ...

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02:51 <davidcelis> .....

02:51 <shevy> ......

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02:53 <davidcelis> hi shevy!

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02:55 <shevy> hi caviddelis!

02:55 <davidcelis> :(

02:59 <shevy> hmmm

02:59 <shevy> I am trying to come up with a way...

02:59 <shevy> - store something in a file, that has a specific timer, and an associated action

02:59 <shevy> for instance. in 10 hours, start alarm clock

02:59 <shevy> what I know is that I will not use cron

02:59 <shevy> now I am thinking... how to solve this hmm

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03:11 <optikalmouse> so there's no good ruby dev stuff for emacs?

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03:12 <davidcelis> vim

03:14 <optikalmouse> davidcelis: that's not an acceptable answer ;)

03:15 <davidcelis> oh well, i tried

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03:25 <optikalmouse> what's the difference between a single and double-quoted string?

03:25 <optikalmouse> does it affect variable interpolation?

03:29 <davidcelis> you cant interpolate in single quoted strings

03:29 <davidcelis> at all

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03:33 <optikalmouse> davidcelis: oh. I see, so it has the same idiotic rules as BASH or PERL and isn't like Python? awesomee ;/

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03:33 <davidcelis> lolwut?

03:34 <davidcelis> if you want to interpolate, use double quoted strings

03:34 <davidcelis> what is so difficult about that?

03:34 <optikalmouse> it's not difficult, it's just dumb :D

03:35 <justfielding> why is that?

03:35 <justfielding> what would be the "smarter alternative"

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03:38 <optikalmouse> so how do I look up docs? ri --search?

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03:40 <dwon> optikalmouse: You can do things like %q{\n} and %Q{\n}. The former behaves like r"\n" in Python, and the latter behaves like "\n" in Python.

03:40 <dwon> optikalmouse: So if you need to put double-quotes inside an interpolated string, you don't necessarily have to backslash.

03:40 <dwon> optikalmouse: %q|\n|, %q#\n# %q(\n) all work, too

03:40 <dwon> optikalmouse: so yeah, it's a bit like perl

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03:56 <[[thufir]]> why is 'text' an undefined method? login_page = agent.click(base_page.links.text(/Reader/)) read the API I suppose.

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04:00 <optikalmouse> so are most Ruby programmers former users of PHP or Perl or what?

04:00 <November> C and assembly prior, here.

04:00 <jesser> perl and java mostly I think?

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04:08 <davidcelis> optikalmouse: I unfortunately began with Java, because that's what my college taught first. Then some C and a bit of ASSEMBLY

04:08 <davidcelis> though I taught myself Python on the side, and then finally came to Ruby during my junior/senior year

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04:08 <optikalmouse> ...I'm trying to learn Ruby for my new job, I can't wrap my head around it.

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04:08 <banister`gone> optikalmouse: what do u find difficult

04:08 <optikalmouse> ri for one thing.

04:08 <davidcelis> ruby, when it comes down to it, is just another OOP language

04:09 <davidcelis> if you're coming from python, it shouldn't be all that difficult

04:09 <banister`gone> optikalmouse: ri is weird, try pry as a learning environment: http://pry.github.com

04:10 <optikalmouse> do none of these tools have manpages?

04:11 <banister`gone> optikalmouse: ri has a manpage on my system

04:11 <optikalmouse> ok, so how do I list methods in Class or Object classes?

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04:11 <optikalmouse> can I do that with ri or do I use something else?

04:12 <davidcelis> object.methods or Class.methods

04:12 <davidcelis> or read the doc

04:12 <banister`gone> optikalmouse: in pry, it's a matter of: ls -Mv Class

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04:12 <davidcelis> oh, pry/ri

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04:52 <suma> when i try to update gem

04:52 <suma> i get the following error

04:52 <suma> ERROR: Loading command: install (LoadError) cannot load such file -- zlib

04:52 <suma> i have installed zlib-devel

04:53 <suma> rvm pkg install zlib

04:53 <suma> did this also

04:53 <suma> rvm reinstall ruby-1.9.3-p0 -C --with-zlib=$rvm_path/usr

04:53 <suma> still having problem

04:54 <suma> with gem

04:54 <suma> may someone please help

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05:15 <suma> may someone help in getting my ruby installed ?

05:15 <suma> stuck with zlib error on gems

05:16 <[[thufir]]> suma: what's os? do you have pastie? I'm on ubuntu. generally, ask in your os place (like #ubuntu)

05:17 * [[thufir]] is just hanging around upgrading a verrrry slow machine

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05:20 <suma> [[thufir]]: amazon image (64 bit) centos

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05:21 <suma> [[thufir]]: http://pastie.org/3241555

05:21 <[[thufir]]> ohhhh. hmm, you're using rpm? system is up to date?

05:21 <suma> [[thufir]]: I'm installing with ruby with rvm

05:21 <suma> it says it installed successfully

05:22 <suma> when i try to check for gem update --system

05:22 <suma> to get the latest one

05:22 <suma> i get that error

05:22 <suma> zlib error

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05:22 <stephenjudkins> suma: the problem is

05:22 * dross yawns

05:22 <stephenjudkins> when you installed or compiled ruby, zlib support was not compiled in

05:23 <dross> funny, this channel is more popular than #ruby-lang

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05:23 <suma> stephenjudkins: I did with rvm reinstall ruby-1.9.3-p0 -C --with-zlib=$rvm_path/usr/lib

05:23 <dross> which is a good thing, cause zenspider is a fucking asshole :)

05:23 <stephenjudkins> suma: what kind of system is this?

05:23 <suma> installed , rvm pkg install zlib before that

05:23 <stephenjudkins> you probably don't have zlib-dev headers

05:23 <suma> amazon ec2

05:23 <suma> I installed yum install zlib-dev

05:23 <suma> as well

05:24 <stephenjudkins> you should go through RVM's logs

05:24 <stephenjudkins> #rvm might be a good place to ask how specifically to do that

05:24 <dross> rvm <3

05:24 <stephenjudkins> but, i have had that problem before as well, and it was because ruby's "configure" script couldn't find zlib headers

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05:26 <[[thufir]]> suma: what about is gem latest version?

05:27 <stephenjudkins> [[thufir]]: that has nothing to do with it.

05:27 <suma> [[thufir]]: 1.8.15

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05:31 <[[thufir]]> well, as workaround I sometimes install gems with the package manager. not optimal, tho.

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07:31 <PaulIIIIIIII> i hawe a very intresting programming idea, but im not programmer http://www.hot.ee/keber/olympic.JPG

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07:54 <trend> any better way to do this than: dirs = DIRS.dup .. dirs.delete(:backward) ... dirs.map { ... ?

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08:05 <Hanmac> i thought DIRS is a hash right? DIRS.find_all{|s| s !=:backward}.map{|(k,v)| ... }

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08:07 <davidcelis> PaulIIIIIIII: no you don't

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08:28 <fusion_break> HELOO

08:28 <fusion_break> ??????????????????????/

08:28 <fusion_break> any 1

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08:48 <thecreators> http://pastebin.com/7RzVCGAR

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10:16 <shevy> dumdedum

10:16 <shevy> I am bored

10:16 <banister`gone> shevy: watch some GGG

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10:23 <shevy> hmm

10:23 <shevy> I wanna be productive but also do something useful...

10:24 <banister`gone> shevy: test the newest version of pry

10:24 <banister`gone> im about to release any day and need someone to verify there's no buggywugs

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10:47 <waxjar> make a decent epub reader with macruby

10:48 <waxjar> without that stupid shelf shit

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11:03 <catphish> does ruby have something like mktime that supports out-of-bounds data?

11:03 <catphish> for example Time.mktime(2012,0) => "2011-12-01 00:00:00"

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11:07 <Hanmac> you mean this?: Time.new(2012,1) => "=> 2012-01-01 00:00:00 +0100"

11:07 <catphish> no, Time.new(2011,13) => "=> 2012-01-01 00:00:00 +0100"

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11:08 <shevy> what

11:08 <shevy> what is out of bounds bonding

11:09 <shevy> cool

11:09 <shevy> Time.mktime(2012,6032326)

11:09 <shevy> ArgumentError: argument out of range

11:09 <catphish> indeed

11:09 <catphish> but in PHP, that works

11:09 <catphish> "() is useful for doing date arithmetic and validation, as it will automatically calculate the correct value for out-of-range input"

11:10 <catphish> * "mktime() is useful for doing date arithmetic and validation, as it will automatically calculate the correct value for out-of-range input. For example, each of the following lines produces the string "Jan-01-1998".

11:10 <catphish> for example <?php echo date("M-d-Y", mktime(0, 0, 0, 12, 32, 1997));

11:10 <catphish> 32nd December == 1st Jan

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11:11 <catphish> but Ruby just raises "ArgumentError: argument out of range"

11:11 <catphish> so i was hoping there was a workaround

11:12 <catphish> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1361360/ruby-date-argument-out-of-range

11:12 <catphish> there's the answer :)

11:14 <catphish> though it doesn't seem to accept 0 :(

11:14 <catphish> or month 13

11:16 <catphish> never mind, i'll just do the maths on the object fdirectly

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11:16 <catphish> *directly

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11:33 <catphish> yeah, seems easier just to create a DateTime, *then* do the maths on it

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11:44 <jlebrech> what is the &block in actionview.render in rails for? can I pass self using that?

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11:46 <Asher> it's passing a proc and specifying that it should be used as the block for the method

11:46 <Asher> you cannot pass self

11:46 <Asher> unless self happens to be a proc

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11:49 <jlebrech> how would do I use Actionview in the same way a controller does so that I can use a @class variable?

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11:58 <shevy> hmm I am reorganizing my biggest ruby project file by file... that is tedious and boring :(

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13:05 <_marvin> hey

13:05 <Hanmac> hy marvin

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13:06 <_marvin> hi Hanmac

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13:13 <`brendan> morning folks

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13:16 <[[thufir]]> morning

13:16 <[[thufir]]> looking at line 15, what args are expected? https://bitbucket.org/sterlingcamden/opmlsub/src/b602234dea47/opmlsub.rb

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13:48 <resting> hi guys..shld i learn rails or ruby to do web developments??

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13:49 <shevy> resting rails uses ruby

13:49 <shevy> you can ignore ruby and try to stick within the framework of rails

13:49 <oddmunds> don't learn ruby

13:49 <shevy> but you will always be limited to a zombie

13:49 <shevy> so the question should be - do you want to be a zombie or not

13:49 <oddmunds> :)

13:50 <resting> shevy: yup...so i could do web developments with ruby alone?

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13:50 <oddmunds> yes

13:50 <resting> oddmunds: y not?

13:50 <oddmunds> i was just joking

13:50 <shevy> well yeah. it depends on what you want to do ... there is plain ruby-cgi ... old, but still usable... you can connect all your ruby scripts... you can use sinatra, ramaze rack etc... or you can build an alternative to rails

13:50 <resting> oddmunds: haa...

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13:51 <resting> shevy: ahh...too much big words haa..

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13:51 <shevy> well, it's ruby man

13:51 <shevy> you can build everything on your own too

13:52 <shevy> remember how PHP started

13:52 <resting> shevy: hmm...so its like core c++ language?

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13:52 <resting> shevy: not really

13:52 <shevy> man

13:52 <shevy> ruby is written in C

13:52 <shevy> you can't compare ruby to C or C++ !!!!!

13:53 <resting> shevy: lol...sorri..i'm noob

13:53 <shevy> we all were but it's not a valid excuse either!

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13:53 <shevy> ruby is within the family of perl python php ...

13:53 <shevy> and then there is the family of C C++ D C# Java and so on

13:54 <shevy> imagine if ruby would be as fast as C

13:55 <resting> hmm...so ruby is more like web scripting languge family?

13:55 <provideal> resting: I think a lot of people started learning ruby implicitly when learning rails. You don't need to know everything about ruby when starting to play with rails -- but you should definitely try to understand what you do...

13:56 <provideal> resting: I'd rather not consider ruby a "web scripting" language...

13:56 <shevy> resting well. scripting family. not "web scripting". Ruby isn't limited to the web-only.

13:56 <shevy> I am lucky to have started without ruby when rails did not exist at all

13:56 <shevy> I mean

13:56 <shevy> to have started *with* ruby when rails did not exist :P

13:56 <resting> provideal: ic...i'm trying to see for myself wats the hype abt all these rails thing..ok..probably i'll go in depth to ruby too

13:57 <shevy> hype is bad

13:57 <resting> shevy: ic...they could be used as desktop programs too? like in windows perhaps?

13:57 <provideal> You can use ruby to write cli- or gui apps, yeah.

13:58 <resting> icic..cool...

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13:58 <shevy> resting: you can use the ruby bindings to gtk, ruby-gtk, and use it in GTK apps

13:58 <shevy> on windows as well

13:58 <provideal> There's a ruby binding to Cocoa...

13:58 <shevy> but traditional GUI can be more work than web-stuff, keep that in mind

13:59 <shevy> unless you just want a hello world button

13:59 <shevy> that is trivial

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13:59 <resting> haaa...yup...am aware of that...juz good to know what i'm learning could be used as desktop programs as well

14:00 <resting> ok...juz i had a jump start to wats is ruby...tkz guys

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14:05 <baniseterfiend`> resting: y r u tkg lyk dz

14:06 <shevy> lol

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14:09 <resting> baniseterfiend`: ?? wat do u mean?

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14:09 <resting> ok..is there any tell tale sign is a web is developed by ruby? say tis site? https://trello.com

14:10 <shevy> it's hard to say

14:10 <shevy> it seems to follow a typical rails-design

14:10 <shevy> compare it to http://rubini.us/ for instance

14:10 <shevy> almost the same

14:11 <shevy> but it's also often used in web 2.0 site layouts ... so who knows

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14:11 <resting> shevy: haa...ya...really like these kinds of sites..

14:12 <sj26> trello is not rails

14:12 <shevy> well seems to be done by http://www.fogcreek.com/?fccmp=trello_landing

14:12 <sj26> http://blog.fogcreek.com/the-trello-tech-stack/

14:12 <sj26> it's javascript, back and front

14:12 <shevy> cool

14:12 <resting> omg..

14:12 <resting> tats so cool..

14:12 <shevy> javascript is killing ruby :(

14:13 <shevy> oh

14:13 <shevy> "Trello started out as a pure JavaScript project on both client and server, and stayed that way until May, when we experimentally ported a couple of files to CoffeeScript to see how we liked it. We loved it, and soon converted the rest of the code over and started coding CoffeeScript exclusively."

14:13 <shevy> and coffeescript is killing javascript

14:13 <shevy> hah!

14:13 <resting> lol..

14:13 <shevy> resting: see, https://github.com/languages javascript is more popular than ruby

14:14 <provideal> In a couple of years we'll all regretfully return to Basic!

14:14 <resting> heard some saying that coffeescript isn't really tat benificial if u already know javascript

14:14 <yekta> is that chart for 2011?

14:14 <shevy> hmm I think it is updated monthyl

14:14 <yekta> in 2010 Python was more popular than rubyy

14:15 <resting> oo cool..didnt know there this chart

14:15 <shevy> I think the last time I checked, javascript was at 19% and ruby at 16%. now javascript is at 20% and ruby at 15% :(

14:15 <baniseterfiend`> yekta: that's just for github

14:15 <provideal> who cares?

14:15 <glacius> whats the debate

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14:15 <yekta> this is the one I'm thinking of http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

14:15 <baniseterfiend`> yekta: ruby was always more popular than python on github

14:16 <shevy> yeah TIOBE hates ruby

14:16 <shevy> soon javascript will have surpassed perl

14:16 <shevy> and then python too

14:16 <resting> so wat was github built on?

14:17 <shevy> beautiful women

14:17 <shevy> and ruby

14:17 <resting> lol

14:17 <resting> srsly??

14:17 <shevy> I think they used ruby

14:18 <shevy> dunno if they still do

14:18 <shevy> perhaps they silently switched to Java already

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14:18 <shevy> oh

14:18 <shevy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub

14:18 <shevy> "The software that runs GitHub was written using Ruby on Rails and Erlang by GitHub"

14:18 <shevy> Erlang!!!

14:19 <shevy> I did not know that.

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14:19 <resting> oo..

14:19 <Hanmac> ohloh looks a little bit better: ruby 18,2% javascript 19.6% https://www.ohloh.net/languages/12 & https://www.ohloh.net/languages/6

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14:20 <resting> wow...theres a brainfuck++ language?

14:20 <yekta> yea

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14:20 <shevy> it's just a code of ++++-+++ something something

14:20 <resting> haa...tats so funni..

14:21 <shevy> a toy language

14:21 <shevy> "Most Experienced Contributors"

14:21 <provideal> Look: Hello World in Whitespace:

14:21 <shevy> n0kada

14:21 <shevy> !!!

14:22 <shevy> kou is active :)

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14:22 <shevy> https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/kou

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14:22 <shevy> resting: he maintains ruby-gtk mostly on his own (with some help from others)

14:23 <resting> shevy: wat do u mean by ruby-gtk? the core ruby language engine?

14:23 <yekta> I need a good ruby interview question: any (simple) ideas?

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14:24 <shevy> resting: the bindings towards GTK.

14:24 <shevy> if you look at the C source of gtk, you will see stuff like gtk_window(); or something like that

14:24 <resting> shevy: hmm...wats is gtk?

14:24 <shevy> and in proper ruby, this tends to be ... include Gtk; Window.new instead

14:24 <shevy> a toolkit

14:24 <resting> google tool kit?

14:25 <shevy> resting: http://php-gtk.eu/files/php-gtk-builder.jpg even php has some bindings to it on windows too :D

14:25 <resting> oo my..

14:25 <shevy> yekta sure, the typical questions

14:25 <shevy> "How would you turn a single ruby file into a gem? Name the steps."

14:26 <shevy> "You inherit a code base consisting of 10 different classes from someone else. The classes are not documented. You are tasked to maintain them from now on - how do you proceed foremost?"

14:26 <shevy> and some simple things!

14:26 <shevy> "Create a dynamic class that can respond to any method call."

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14:34 <provideal> yekta: include some &block and inject magic.

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14:34 <provideal> yekta: depending on what the guy is applying for ;)

14:35 <yekta> They are coming with more of a python background and are interested in rails.

14:35 <yekta> python/django

14:35 <provideal> Well, then you can hardly ask them anything about ruby, can you?

14:36 <yekta> I guess I'm asking for ideas at a more general level.

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14:40 <catphish> shevy: i am a fairy experienced ruby developer and those are not things i do daily

14:40 <catphish> and would not be able to quote in an interview

14:40 <catphish> more sane interview questions are ones that demonstrate an ability to actually write code

14:41 <shevy> what

14:41 <catphish> i just think making a gem is not something a developer needs to remember how to do

14:42 <catphish> i prefer questions about code itself

14:42 <shevy> like!

14:42 <catphish> well, not ruby specific but asking someone to form a simple regex is always a good idea

14:43 <shevy> well if they come from python, you could tease them with things python-coders find confusing :)

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14:43 <shevy> a moment, lemme find a piece of code ...

14:43 <provideal> shevy: And ask them to identify common patterns that can be factored out, let them suggest a DSL (usage, not implementation) for some task and the like.

14:44 <shevy> hmm I would totally fail on patterns

14:44 <shevy> and everything math and algorithm related.

14:44 <catphish> these things are very abstract

14:44 <shevy> yekta, shock them a little bit with alogrithms!

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14:45 <provideal> shevy: my last message was meant to be adressed to yekta ;)

14:45 <shevy> provideal: hey!!! what if I want to take that interview!

14:45 <provideal> yekta: It very much depends on their job profile

14:45 <shevy> yekta, test me!

14:46 <provideal> shevy: ^^

14:46 <shevy> ah well. I can't find the thing I was looking for

14:46 <shevy> something like ...

14:46 <shevy> def foo

14:46 <shevy> $foo ||= SomeModule::SomeClass.new

14:47 <shevy> end

14:47 <shevy> alias f foo

14:47 <shevy> f.hi

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14:49 <shevy> f.test = 'something something'

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14:50 <provideal> yekta: Do some closure-magic, I LOVE closure magic. Let them write statefull functions (w/o backing class/object)...

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15:39 <jcromartie> does newgem not work with 1.8.7?

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15:40 <jcromartie> I get /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/rubigen-1.5.7/lib/rubigen/base.rb:96: undefined method `class_attribute' for RubiGen::Base:Class (NoMethodError)

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15:48 <shevy> real men write their gemspec on their own

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16:04 <pusewicz_> What is the best way to profile load/require time in a Ruby application?

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16:49 <jsonperl1> i'm trying to include multiple source files in an extension, but it doesn't find them when running extconf.rb

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16:49 <jsonperl1> do i need to manually copy the files?

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16:51 <techhelp2> how do I find out ruby's module path?

16:53 <theRoUS> anyone here ever use Net::HTTP with ssl and client certs?

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16:55 <theRoUS> techhelp2: 'module path'? you mean the include path?

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16:55 <jsonperl1> the problematic line in my extconf.rb is:

16:55 <jsonperl1> have_header 'zone_kernel/zone_kernel.h'

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16:58 <techhelp2> theRoUS: yes, that's what I mean. How does ruby know where they are?

16:58 <parraline5750> Has anyone here used the zoneedit.com API?

16:58 <theRoUS> techhelp2: try this: ruby -e 'puts($:)'

16:59 <techhelp2> perfect! Thank you!!

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17:30 <atmosx> oh

17:30 <atmosx> hmm

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17:33 <Gate> hm?

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17:41 <theRoUS> techhelp2: $: is like any other array, in that you can manipulate it; $:.unshift('foo') to put 'foo' at the front, etc.

17:41 <theRoUS> Gate: indeed.

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17:59 <waxjar> can i do something like new random_class, where `random_class = 'RandomClass'` ?

17:59 <Buck> you mean extend an existing class?

17:59 <Buck> or extend a random class?

18:00 <waxjar> i mean instantiate a new object from a variable, i guess

18:00 <heftig> sure

18:00 <heftig> a = String

18:00 <heftig> b = a.new

18:00 <rippa> a = "String"

18:01 <rippa> b = Object.const_get(a).new

18:01 <heftig> b = Object.const_get(a).new

18:01 <waxjar> cheers, thanks guys

18:01 <Buck> there's a pretty clear echo in here

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18:02 <seanp2k> I know a big website (35TB/month traffic) looking for a RoR programmer. They're not corporate-y at all. They're in the media/entertainment space. Where should they post a job?

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18:02 <Buck> craigslist

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18:02 <seanp2k> I told them about the 37 Signals job board. Where else do you all look for jobs?

18:02 <atmosx> seanp2k: google

18:03 <Buck> I always check my local supermarket

18:03 <atmosx> seanp2k: http://www.rubyinside.com/6-ruby-and-rails-job-sites-312.html

18:03 <Buck> or sometimes at the docks

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18:03 <llaskin> neone here use jenkins? what do you have to have a ruby program send to STDout to cause jenkins to return a failure?

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18:06 <burgestrand> llaskin: I believe all you need is to exit with a non-zero exit status

18:06 <zaargy> isn't it configurable to check the build output?

18:06 <zaargy> it's FAIL or something by default

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18:10 <theRoUS> anyone here ever use Net::HTTP with ssl and client certs?

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18:19 <elliottcable> Hey all.

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18:20 <apeiros_> hi battlecollie

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18:35 <pdtpatrick> In something like rib or pry .. how can one do the equivalent of say help(Dir.new) in iPython ?

18:35 <rippa> what should that do?

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18:36 <pdtpatrick> i just want a document showing how to use it

18:36 <pdtpatrick> the module that is

18:36 <pdtpatrick> and what the method does

18:36 <pdtpatrick> btw -- rib == irb :(

18:36 <apeiros_> I think pry has built in stuff to show help docs

18:36 <apeiros_> but in general: ri Dir

18:36 <burgestrand> pdtpatrick: pry allows you to do “? Dir.new”, thing is, not all methods are documented properly

18:36 <rippa> try ri

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18:37 <apeiros_> (ri is outside pry/irb, it's a command line tool too)

18:37 <pdtpatrick> ahh looks like ri is close to what I'm looking for :) Thanks

18:37 <burgestrand> ri is sometimes better, because pry goes on the source for the actual method

18:38 <burgestrand> in pry you’d probably want Dir#initialize ^^

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19:18 <fred> if I have do_foo { do_bar } # is there a way for do_bar to tell it was called from inside do_foo, rather than top-level or do_baz ?

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19:19 <fred> * a way that doesn't involve parsing 'caller' or similar

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19:20 * fred has a hack involving callcc { |cc| throw :foo, cc } but I'd idaelly like to support jruby and rbx too

19:21 <headius> I was going to say caller until I saw your second statement :)

19:21 <headius> there is not

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19:22 <headius> you could instance_eval the do_foo block on something that hooks do_bar

19:22 <headius> do_bar will be called on your instance_eval self then

19:24 <pdtpatrick> File.absolute_path was replaces by File.expand_path ? Sorry for the questions - coming from python. I did File.methods and didn't see absolute_path

19:25 <pdtpatrick> s/replaces/replaced

19:25 <heftig> pdtpatrick: ruby -v outputs?

19:26 <pdtpatrick> ruby 1.8.7 (2010-01-10 patchlevel 249) [universal-darwin11.0]

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19:30 <heftig> pdtpatrick: that's old. use 1.9.3

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19:31 <pdtpatrick> is it like python meaning you don't want to upgrade the base version but rather use a virtual environment or alt install ?

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19:32 <fred> headius: yeah, but with instance_eval I need to copy across class variables and delegate method calls :(

19:32 <fred> and lose other variables iirc :/

19:32 <headius> you could delegate everything to the other object

19:33 <headius> but it's definitely going down a rat hole :)

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19:33 <heftig> pdtpatrick: i don't know how it works on OSX

19:33 <heftig> pdtpatrick: here on linux i just have the newest version

19:33 <fred> headius: Hmm, I think I might just do the callcc approach and drop jruby and rbx support

19:34 <pdtpatrick> oh i can just install it on my sandbox and use it from there. Thanks heftig

19:34 <headius> I suppose that's your choice

19:34 <fred> another alternative I've got working is a static per-thread stack variable, btu that's not continuation/fiber-safe :'(

19:34 <headius> what's this for?

19:35 <fred> https://github.com/fredemmott/rxhp (yeah, I know of Erector, learning-by-making ftw though)

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19:37 <apeiros_> fred: eeeew, method invocation by ::

19:37 zleslie [zleslie!~zleslie@puppetlabs/operations/zleslie] has joined #ruby

19:37 <zleslie> Hi

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19:37 <apeiros_> use ., :: for method invocation makes your code look like it was from '99

19:37 <zleslie> Does anyone know of a way one might check to see if an IP is rfc1918 compliant?

19:37 <yxhuvud> apeiros_: I suppose it would be ok if you are intentionally masquerading your method as a constant.

19:38 <fred> heh, yeah, oops, wrote that at ~ 1am after spending all day working on PHP :p

19:38 <apeiros_> yxhuvud: hmmm… not sure… maybe…

19:38 <rippa> ruby is made of CONVENTIONS and HOW CAN I DO IT IN ONE LINE

19:38 <apeiros_> yxhuvud: you have to pass an argument to a capitalized method or use parens, though

19:39 <apeiros_> just `Foo::Bar` is always a constant

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19:39 <apeiros_> rippa: you need a whole line?!?!? I do it in half a line!!!

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19:40 <yxhuvud> apeiros_: hmm. you may be correct

19:40 <apeiros_> of cooorrse I arrr!

19:40 <fred> #thereifixedit thanks (Foo::bar method calls)

19:41 * apeiros_ fails to focus

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19:41 <apeiros_> 20'798 projects to choose from… which should I continue? :(

19:41 <yxhuvud> rand

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19:42 <apeiros_> I think I need more booze…

19:42 <headius> I've argued that :: should be used as a shortcut for #method

19:42 <headius> e.g. object::foo == object.method(:foo)

19:42 <apeiros_> headius: oooh

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19:42 <apeiros_> neat… missing that…

19:42 <nbjoerg> can I interest someone in committing four small patches for the man pages?

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19:43 <headius> the fact that it invokes is kinda incidental and not typically used

19:43 <headius> and unnecessary

19:43 <headius> nbjoerg: you can submit patches at redmine.ruby-lang.org

19:43 <nbjoerg> let me guess. I need to create yet another bug tracking account for that? :)

19:44 <apeiros_> nbjoerg: wait a year and you can log in with facebook!

19:44 <apeiros_> or so…

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19:44 <nbjoerg> apeiros_: that doesn't decrease the amount of work :)

19:45 <davidcelis> Can you do `module << self` to enter multpile self attributes/methods as you would `class << self`?

19:45 <apeiros_> davidcelis: you use class << self

19:46 <apeiros_> modules have an singleton_class too

19:46 <davidcelis> Ah, okay. Makes sense. Thanks!

19:46 <apeiros_> davidcelis: also take a look at module_function

19:47 <apeiros_> if you're making pseudo-functions, that's the way to go. it works like public/private/protected, in that you write it once, and all methods below it will be considered module_functions

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19:52 <davidcelis> I think class << self will end up being what I want. I'm essentially just trying to define a couple class methods on the module for an engine I am writing

19:52 <davidcelis> I'm new to making gems/engines, though, so not entirely sure I'm doing this right: https://gist.github.com/1672173

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19:52 <apeiros_> class-vars… if they were sane…

19:53 <davidcelis> I'm pretty much learning by looking at other libraries on github :P

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19:56 <davidcelis> I had started by requiring a gem called App that lets you keep app-wide configuration consolidated and not have to use global variables

19:57 <davidcelis> then realized I should probably just be doing that myself, as it essentially does this same thing (class variables on the module)

19:57 <apeiros_> davidcelis: just don't take stuff you see as to be granted to be "the right way"™

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19:57 <apeiros_> even (or especially?) rails source code has tons of hideous monstrosities in it

19:57 <davidcelis> apeiros_: I'm usually pretty good at noticing when code is bullshit; this stuff seems okay with me

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19:57 <davidcelis> But yeah, if something seems even a little weird I tend to go off and do more research on it

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20:00 <optikalmouse> b

20:01 <davidcelis> b?

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20:01 <optikalmouse> davidcelis: messed up my ctrl key, meant to do C-x C-b in emacs ;p

20:01 <davidcelis> haha

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20:07 <optikalmouse> I don't understand why #ruby is dead compared to ##php, #emacs, #lisp, etc.

20:07 <apeiros_> optikalmouse: so much less problems!

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20:08 <apeiros_> funny, ##php doesn't even have more people… it even has less? wow, that surprises me…

20:08 <rippa> also #ruby-lang

20:08 <optikalmouse> wow

20:08 <optikalmouse> why the diff channels?

20:08 <apeiros_> because we love diversity

20:08 <apeiros_> also, we want to annoy people

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20:09 <Phrogz> Also, we want to feel elite and have the n00bs languish in here for a while. :p

20:09 <Hanmac> and we play "go to the other channel"

20:09 <rippa> it's like

20:09 <Phrogz> AKA "Go ask your father."

20:09 <rippa> #map and #collect

20:09 <rippa> #find and #detect

20:09 <apeiros_> I #reduce #inject

20:09 <rippa> #find_all and #select

20:10 <rippa> just because

20:10 <Hanmac> "... we can"

20:10 <apeiros_> we're such a helpful bunch of people :)

20:11 <rippa> what's with all the /ect$/

20:11 <rippa> #reject too

20:11 <apeiros_> latin

20:12 <apeiros_> the hidden conspiracy of languages…

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20:24 <wroathe> With Ruby 1.9 is there any reason to NOT to move from ASCII to UTF-8 for source file encoding?

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20:24 <burgestrand> wroathe: yeah, if your source files are not UTF-8 :p

20:24 <dross> Don't think it matters

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20:25 <dross> unless you're working with unicode strings

20:25 <wroathe> Hmm. Thanks.

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20:25 <apeiros_> wroathe: IMO no, there's no reason not to.

20:25 <dross> if you're native language uses UTF-8, use UTF-8

20:26 <apeiros_> languages usually don't care about encodings :)

20:26 <burgestrand> use UTF-8 and never care again

20:26 <atmosx> wroathe: just use the encoding: utf-8 line

20:26 <burgestrand> unless you’re japanese

20:26 <atmosx> or chinese

20:26 <dross> apeiros_: clearly

20:26 <burgestrand> but if you’re a predator you’re okay because UTF-8 has support for klingon

20:26 <burgestrand> sorry, not predator, wrong universe

20:27 <atmosx> hahah

20:27 <atmosx> you got a bid mixed up

20:27 <atmosx> omg

20:27 <atmosx> bit/bid/s

20:27 * dross yawns

20:27 * dross goes back to his devops work

20:27 <dross> apeiros_: 10 years later, I still don't see any need to attend an IT conference :)

20:28 <apeiros_> ?

20:28 * dross started using ruby and visiting #ruby-lang since he was about 17

20:28 <dross> apeiros_: tsume desu ;)

20:28 * mdmdm loves the confreaks

20:28 <dross> apeiros_: you must be getting old if you don't remember me

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20:29 <apeiros_> I am getting old

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20:29 <apeiros_> I think you haven't been on for ages…

20:30 <apeiros_> ah, wolfe

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20:30 <apeiros_> you rarely used dross back then

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20:31 <mdmdm> apeiros_: dont feel bad for getting old, its a good thing

20:31 <apeiros_> I do feel bad for it. but probably not for the reasons you think.

20:31 * mdmdm has been on irc since 97

20:32 <mdmdm> not continuously of course

20:32 <apeiros_> I think I beat you by a couple of years then

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20:32 <shadoi> wow, now I really feel old.

20:32 <dross> apeiros_: I know ^^

20:33 <apeiros_> shadoi: why? you remember gopher?

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20:33 <shadoi> unfondly.

20:33 <dross> apeiros_: yes, wolfe, I can't remember my IRC pass to my old nickname :P

20:33 <dross> dross is older anyway

20:33 <apeiros_> dross: haha

20:33 <dross> tsume was even older, but I pissed off Lorez and he deleted it

20:33 <dross> Lorez is a real asshat

20:33 <apeiros_> lorez?

20:33 <dross> a Freenode op

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20:49 <Keva161> hi all, orry to be a noob but im trying to put a simple program together that will read a list of urls from a txt file and then test their uptime one by one and then output that status to another text file... first thing first though... need to find a way for Ruby to read the url.txt file... any help? im a n00b....

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20:52 <fred> Keva161: File.read('url.txt').strip.split(/s+/m) assuming whitespace-separated-urls

20:53 <Keva161> fred: Yes :)

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21:33 <davidcelis> Keva161: check out File and IO on the ruby doc

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22:12 <pdtpatrick> Question -- why would one need to use data mapper vs the regular mysql/postgres module? require 'mysql' .. and just query the DB? Seems like data mapper is more towards if you are designing your database and then start adding data to it

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22:21 <examancer> I am trying to use a command line utility (encfs) to mount encrypted directories programatically, read some files from them, and then close them. encfs prompts for a password. how would I go about sending the password to the password prompt?

22:21 <examancer> there is no way to pass the password as a command line argument

22:22 <examancer> I guess i'd have to write to STDIN somehow? not sure how to go about doing that

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22:28 <jcromartie> examancer: are you sure encfs doesn't take a password as a command-line option?

22:29 <jcromartie> examancer: anyway, you can access the STDIN of a process using popen3

22:30 <jcromartie> looks like you need to pass -S to encfs too

22:31 <jcromartie> encfs goes to some lengths to make sure you don't store passwords in files or scripts… although you could just echo password | encfs -S

22:31 <jcromartie> :P

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22:41 <examancer> jcromartie: thanks a ton. getting better at unix, but redirection still confuses me sometimes. should have done `man encfs` and found the -S option

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22:48 <Amnesia> how would I be able to have some value in my terminal to be reprinted every time

22:48 <Amnesia> for example

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22:48 <Amnesia> https://privatepaste.com/ff99458ad2

22:48 <Amnesia> but then without clearing the screen..

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22:48 <Amnesia> (which also is a dirty hack)

22:49 <statix> I have an array of arrays like this [[1, "a"], [4, "b"], [2, "g"], [3, "z"]] -- I want to join the inner arrays by tabs ("\t") and the outer array with newlines ("\n") .. how could I go about that?

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22:50 <examancer> statix: array.map{|inner| inner.join("\t")}.join("\n")

22:50 <examancer> something like that should do it

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22:52 <Amnesia> anyone on printing stuff and updating just one part?

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22:53 <statix> I think just this did it: puts arr.map { |line| line.join("\t") }

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22:54 <statix> This rather: arr.map { |line| line.join("\t") }.join("\n")

22:54 <examancer> yes, that works too since puts accepts an array inputs and outputs one-element-per-line

22:54 <statix> Thanks examancer

22:54 <statix> I was trying with each, but I guess map does it

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22:55 <examancer> Amnesia: I'm sure there is a way, but I don't know the proper escape characters... not very familiar with that level of console coding, unfortunately

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22:56 <Amnesia> hmkay

22:56 <examancer> guess you're looking for control characters, not escape characters... either way i'm not very familiar

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22:56 <Amnesia> hm \r maby..

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22:58 <moshee> Amnesia, \033[xA, \033[xB, \033[xC, \033[xD

22:59 <moshee> where x is a number

22:59 <moshee> A is up, B is down, C is right, D is left

22:59 <moshee> (moves the cursor)

23:00 <Amnesia> loop do { puts "\033[xA, \033[xB, \033[xC, \033[xD" } ?

23:00 <moshee> well, replace x with a number

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23:00 <moshee> if all of them are 1 the cursor will spin in a small circle very fast, I assume

23:00 <moshee> and you don't need commas

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23:02 <Amnesia> hm replacing the X with a number results in nothing getting print

23:02 <moshee> nothing is printed, it's a control character...

23:02 <Amnesia> ah heh

23:02 <examancer> it wouldn't. those control sequences just move the cursor. then you can print to overwrite existing characters on the screen

23:03 <moshee> ➤ ruby -e 'print "abcde\033[3C12345"'

23:03 <moshee> abcde 12345

23:04 <Amnesia> how'hm

23:04 <moshee> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code read up

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23:05 <Amnesia> thx

23:05 <Amnesia> and how's this "refreshing" called?

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23:06 <moshee> I wish I knew when I was searching for it lol

23:06 <moshee> it's just moving the cursor around

23:06 <Amnesia> heh

23:06 <Amnesia> anyway

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23:06 <Amnesia> got to pick this up tomorrow:)

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23:06 <Amnesia> thx for the help

23:06 <Amnesia> nn

23:06 <examancer> print "abcde\033[2D123" #=> abc123 ... thanks moshee, I learned something new today :-)

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23:07 <moshee> :P

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23:31 <reggal> Anyone taking part in the new facebook DDoS

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23:31 <reggal> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2012/01/anonymous-no-we-wont-attack-facebook-jan-28.html

23:31 <reggal> Is it for real or isn't it

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23:32 <reggal> well how about the facebook ddos

23:32 <Boohbah> reggal: what does this have to do with ruby?

23:32 <reggal> any good Ruby DDoS scripts

23:33 <reggal> Well I'm looking vfor hacks and exploits for all script languages, Python, Ruby, Reddit, RubyOnRails, Perl

23:33 <reggal> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2012/01/anonymous-no-we-wont-attack-facebook-jan-28.html

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23:34 <reggal> answer me

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23:35 <reggal> Hub dave dellavonathzhal seeky selliky non vohanssen. Shmellik o daggal. rarny trastalarian po tranamonathal. Tranamoe lathah mo miggaliggal. Larry plellamonathal.

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23:35 <reggal> Jello scrap baroom of hushkin Glorily al thrushin Reen ron pliggita plaggity. Munchala cleek a hogrin meffrin. Trallawin trillicker. Tellamarial threlliol threck. 0

23:35 <reggal> Trymin Bagty fuloepdey thiftkey Baroom sdaly sealy oh meshkin texty jemelligger wifftan feedol shmeggamellak jellamajigger jellamaligger

23:35 <reggal> Am an schillibolist a fillibolist ba wack. Wrench a doof a deef a dumpfing. Put down the pacifier. Put a pin cushion under someone's foot. Bam ban can't ban cannablist baleivar.

23:35 Firebolt [Firebolt!sactage@countervandalism/staff/Sactage] has joined #ruby

23:35 <reggal> Sammy slick as lots of pep I'm feeding on my dumper daves. Krempy mella kamek Hippa tra la the to pump all weevil. Wavity Indenture the adventure char plaggy o maxal

23:35 <reggal> Pitin footmahoun meglal parry pleggalomrek wrel dukith rallah rallakef rallaketh my na't is keih keith juba dooki dooki layber lumber boned dry

23:35 <dubellz> reggal: hey could you shut up?

23:35 <reggal> Soemtimes I eat sometimes I trives? &doesn't work& clally megalomaxel randolph jukes rarry plellage o-rellage-o-ram Crary mella crolaftrin Baft a trolley tumbloup al a poloron beam Mellacrometh Shifty Mudge-eh-muhrathal sexworks

23:35 <reggal> Slick a la rig. Rillie ma rej relleketh chumpin up to sars I wonder what it would be like to go up thayer, Pouin dub meebilow mobs. Baleent ass blub. Mego meerio mibs.

23:35 <reggal> Allergic to wheat bread! Chigga loah dee cheagy Konifiable plunkin. Exipalgial marplaxal proodin without a preen gog a romy a reffrin trexxaleck elprher oxrimorinder. mining for marria muns.

23:35 <T-Gunn> why hasnt he been kicked for flooding?

23:35 <reggal> Scraggie a mellican von WHEAT! Palootistan tristan's rastan. Jev jeva Jev jev jevavie. jevevev jeva jev ev. Policorlia zipitor smacksal. Basat trilogy wheel.

23:35 <reggal> Fleg a deggy a nefran. Ikaolapu bressnog. Tivit xix toag plix. chapter of relekesh Ralph a billy blaylee! Renna puh taah tee twixter. Rezamaloo salt, jedda ma loo salt school. Skant skade.

23:35 <reggal> Ralla glooky glarg mech. Trec Trek Trellaleck! Maggithied pie. Plaxy jallab ro gallicher. Jallacrith joe jallallicker. Fram from a vellon piece. Plaxie plarillaralobe chaser.

23:35 <reggal> There aren't many worlds left to explore. We all get hooked on World of Warcraft, but then we're bored! Better off playing Phantasy Star Universe or Runes of Magic I'd say

23:35 <reggal> Repalep tep tarep. Pruda pila peran palmus pran. Pruda pila perin palmus pran. Squeej rellaj. Breath width

23:35 <reggal> Traglamarian brexwith. It's just another day without meatballs. Scrary o chasms doaper dave. Reen lin huh rin holy have. Maloo polaty plegidteftytedddleton. Billy knalavolitz i survived hershowicz. Goan gearing my groon. Groan rearing my grouch nards.

23:35 <reggal> Trexel mairio babble. Boon daddy booty blalocks. Aren't going to quit? Tralalelly oh gregs! Truck ack paragontquin. Tranx gralallellian grouping. Berry berry narry nas, barry hoo, barry bas. AH AH AH AH rah rah rah rah rudda deh nah doo doo, boom bood a boot dood.

23:35 <reggal> Trally glally jrehr lallaf. Married berry berry nas, harry boon, nanner bas. Ahf! Ahf! Ahf! Ahf! Layer praxool! So many back to schools. I'm rapier. I'm gonna rape her. Some artsy fartsy kind of stuff. You should write a book about preventing farting. A guide to avoiding farting.

23:35 <reggal> Gore gearning my krans. Feela fool lo expanse. Til my bed med hende Mars. Shink a dink of dozens. Larly ballellacraft. Rump raiders, ass bandits, and cheese nitwits.

23:35 <reggal> Trarly clookly bagel! Maneerial map. Rar gooky gookky barg ak! Ralph billy balf billy Larly laprejlarin. Ralph billy balf billy Larly laprejlarin. Rellamalloo trej nords. I'm picking my needles.

23:35 <reggal> Olegvranseef van vrans a la lan. Rugga reg trella la meck. Plood a luck a loody loody poon. Plood a luck a lady. Ifterty toujolity dzhamellegsh.

23:35 <reggal> Olegvranseef van vrans a la lan. Rugga reg trella la meck. Plood a luck a loody loody poon. Ifterty toujolity dzhamellegsh.

23:35 <reggal> To the black man watching well it isn't true! Nice rice big and black, jail times a jookie rhymer black is black. A JOOKIE MIMER!

23:35 <reggal> I can't siffy siffy splain it. Siffy siffy xplain it! Jal jol jalah lalah larry smith johnson! Hickalikaliggal to the marrionoddal. Hickapleekaploggy marriodettal. Shlagalarry-o dettal.

23:35 <reggal> Flagalary difty david. Chikapleekaplocky puararan blocky bag of bunk. Aurstralian frost. Huff puff ruff uff. Eerie hire playmus gay. STOP THAT ROACH! Roachalarian thregnargs

23:35 <reggal> Chixaplerean tarood duelis. Hunk and dunk of dignorgs. throtaparry lellabrass. Throwtaparallelly roachapralaxx

23:35 <reggal> Shlallie a loon to the hep t3p poons. Ragularian Beetle snuff. Rump tastin teddy grahams.

23:36 <reggal> Chag a lelly awl praxal. Ragrahrary ro jub. Huck a lick a loon, baby tunes. Huck a lick a boon toon. Zhar blaly ograxal. Traritectorial blecx. Shlollie-o laxal.

23:36 <reggal> Just like the ragulariabuub It's the sintani of tantani tatit tatus We look like satanus plaxuis presiduous praxans gralaxion bhratchan

23:36 <reggal> Boom bam badda bing bog bonk. Harsha trashian helegor skrapple. Shlitty shaddy shpageddi in a street cart. Virtual dampers throw with trouble. 1 MHz chips bust your bubble.

23:36 <reggal> Megamarian magapaxle. Pickalicka loon. Potato juice. Pebble jitch transplanckyourism Upper vica vundowns. Don't you jelelly jallaaf my terrified tellers. One of those tellarian elvhorns.

23:36 <reggal> Crab rab jalilickers Shoopha faily blocx nix Qasat Treggy a laxel terroritollimus racx doawn. Black down tround.

23:36 <reggal> Picka licka loon picka tradey toons. I'm almost there. Ee buff DAY I'd say! I'm a mmr mmr I'm a ellise viel tpvice.

23:36 <reggal> The baffy hoes where I don't know. The thunder wear it's called ballow boe. Pecka chicka tragalah laah tic pam pic beetle bum

23:36 <reggal> Shuckin like a jack ass, my proto's baister I'm feelin clean, some jello whip and some chick'n cream. Another scene release by CHiCNCREAM. McShleggegg

23:36 <reggal> Rosalie hair... Naw nuh nee! S-S-S-Skateboard... Naw nuh nee! Jason's diapers, naw nuh nee! Trixie's diapers, naw nuh nee! Dead basketball players, naw nah nee!

23:36 <mdmdm> ITS ALIVE!

23:36 <reggal> Canker pegger. Pluck a loon paddy poon prunes. Rum biddy bada boom, boom! Rum biddy bada boom, boom!

23:36 <reggal> Ruggity dugging. I'm thinkin' about rump damns, tricka licka lay-day! Hold up, wait a minute, let guy smiley come to rump roast. While we playin' it's totally not toast. Come on everyone, it's on Friday's news!

23:36 <reggal> A Romulan Praetor, a masterbator, rih dih deh doo! Super guy! Aarfie McShmelegg to the rescue! Paddy poon prunes. han wantifinuhl scroons. Arthur McGreggegg

23:36 Asebolka [Asebolka!~Asebolka@c-174-59-146-170.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ruby

23:36 <reggal> Rep trep tricka-lork to the rup tup tays. Shiddy daddy ding bag. Ron terrier rat! Rond badaag rig. Ron a trary ole meh! Rum baddad rig.

23:36 <reggal> Aah well, hep tep rains again. Sara tara tolmus preed. With or without meatballs. Does anyone helpa with a floot bot? Tragalarian plexels. Tricker Protractor.

23:36 <Seventoes> I see no channel ops logged in -_-

23:36 <reggal> Abis tripolis helmis -- What am I thinking decka dig nork!

23:36 <reggal> I'm thinkin' about reggity diggal... I'm thinking about reggity dickhole! I'm thinkin' about reggity diggal... I'm thinking about reggity dickhole! I'm thinking about jeggity jibbers

23:36 <reggal> Shnebbity shnub up bam bam. Ar cor you insufferable menace, ar cor waal wheel woal. Ee buff day I'd say.

23:36 <reggal> \\\\\\\\\\I come up with more original material in 30 minutes than this entire channel does in a week.//////////

23:36 <reggal> When I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you! I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you! When I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you! When I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you! When I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you! When I'm thinkin about the greg nargs, I'm thinkin about you!

23:36 <reggal> I'm thinkin' about the greg nargs

23:36 <cantbecool> Great, someone wrote a irc bot.

23:36 <reggal> You're thinking about the greg nargs

23:36 <reggal> I'm thinking about the greg nargs

23:36 <reggal> I'm thinkin' about you!

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23:36 <shevy> thanks marienz

23:36 <Seventoes> tyvm

23:36 <Boohbah> thanks marienz

23:36 redgetan [redgetan!~redgetan@user134-111.wireless.utoronto.ca] has joined #ruby

23:37 <banisterfiend> never heard of marienz before

23:37 <banisterfiend> ;)

23:37 nari [nari!~nari@2001:268:306:1:18f0:a3ff:fee8:4d96] has joined #ruby

23:37 <Firebolt> he's a staffer

23:37 <marienz> no problem, but the ops for this channel really should add freenode staff to the acl here, or add more ops

23:37 <banisterfiend> yeah, never seen him

23:37 kloeri [kloeri!~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has joined #ruby

23:37 <Boohbah> marienz: i don't see many ops around here usually

23:37 <marienz> using my cheatcodes for this kind of thing isn't really supposed to happen

23:37 * jrist hugs marienz

23:37 <banisterfiend> oh, a freenode staff

23:37 <banisterfiend> cool

23:37 <banisterfiend> marienz: feel free to add me as op :P

23:38 <marienz> banisterfiend: ask the existing actual ops :)

23:41 <T-Gunn> i have ruby 1.8.7 on centOS on my VPS.. i want to upgrade to the latest.. do i have to uninstall the current version?

23:41 <Boohbah> sepp2k fflush apeiros, are our ops

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23:42 <Boohbah> T-Gunn: uninstall 1.8.7 and build latest source

23:43 redgetan [redgetan!~redgetan@user134-111.wireless.utoronto.ca] has joined #ruby

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23:46 <T-Gunn> how do i uninstall ? yum erase ruby ? that didnt work for some reason

23:47 adamjleonard [adamjleonard!~adamjleon@pool-108-9-169-222.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ruby

23:47 <jaysern> after i set rvm --default use 1.9.3, which ruby shows /usr/local/rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.3-p0/bin/ruby. but when i open a new terminal window, it goes back to /opt/local/bin/ruby (and they're different binaries, not symlinks). how do i make this change permanent? trying rvm use 1.9.3 as root tells me "RVM is not a function, selecting rubies with 'rvm use ...' will not work."

23:47 <banisterfiend> lol http://www.emmawatsonpussy.net/

23:47 <Boohbah> T-Gunn: yum remove

23:47 <Boohbah> T-Gunn: man yum

23:48 <Boohbah> T-Gunn: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/

23:48 <T-Gunn> thank you

23:48 <Boohbah> banisterfiend: i think you would make a fine channel operator, we just need to find fflush :)

23:49 <Gate> Ah, script kiddies. Incompetent and demanding.

23:49 <banisterfiend> Boohbah: hehe

23:49 sdferfx [sdferfx!~jeff@gateway/tor-sasl/sdferfx] has joined #ruby

23:49 <sdferfx> what does it mean when a variable si prefixed with @?

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23:50 <michaelh_> i want to generalize an overridden ActiveRecord setter i wrote. i'm having trouble understanding how to decouple it from the specific column name (e.g., right now it is date=(_date) but i'd like it to work with whatever column name the user's chosen.)

23:50 <Boohbah> sdferfx: an instance variable

23:50 <Boohbah> sdferfx: http://www.rubyist.net/~slagell/ruby/instancevars.html

23:50 <sdferfx> Boohbah, ok, thank you. A variable static by default?

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23:51 <Boohbah> sdferfx: its scope is confined to whatever object self refers to.

23:51 <sdferfx> Only if prefixed by @

23:51 <sdferfx> so what happens if not prefixed with @?

23:51 kuzushi [kuzushi!~kuzushi@ip72-201-117-166.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ruby

23:51 <sdferfx> in a class, for isntance

23:51 <Boohbah> http://www.rubyist.net/~slagell/ruby/variables.html

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23:52 <Boohbah> sdferfx: there are also class variables, prefixed with @@

23:53 <banisterfiend> sdferfx: if not prefixed by an @ it could either be a local variable, or a method invoked without parantheses

23:53 <sdferfx> I am just used to calsses being instance variables by default, I'm not sure how they could be a typical "local" variable if they are defined as part of a class outside of a method

23:53 <banisterfiend> parentheses

23:54 <banisterfiend> sdferfx: because class body can contain any executable code in ruby, so you can invoke methods in there, define locals, etc, anything you awnt

23:54 <banisterfiend> want*

23:54 <Boohbah> for static variables you want a constant

23:54 <Boohbah> http://www.rubyist.net/~slagell/ruby/constants.html

23:54 <Boohbah> err

23:54 <Boohbah> that was not well phrased

23:54 <sdferfx> banisterfiend, so basically ruby has no explicit constructor?

23:55 <Boohbah> class variables - similar to class "static" variables in Java or C++

23:55 <banisterfiend> sdferfx: i dont see what youve said has *anything* to do with constructors, we were talking about variable scope

23:55 <sdferfx> Boohbah, yeah, I am familiar with class-level variables

23:56 <Boohbah> sdferfx: constructor is usually the 'new' method

23:56 <sdferfx> banisterfiend, You said I could just put anything in a class defintion even outside of a method

23:56 <sdferfx> so when does that chunk of anything get executed?

23:56 <banisterfiend> sdferfx: yes, and what does that have to do with constructors?

23:56 <banisterfiend> sdferfx: it gets executed when the class body is evaluated

23:56 <sdferfx> every time I reference an instance of a class? on creation of the instance (i.e. constructor)? etc

23:57 <Boohbah> sdferfx: you would have to instantiate an object of that class to execute the code within

23:57 <banisterfiend> sdferfx: no, just when the parser encounters the class definition for the first time, it's executed then

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23:57 <sdferfx> banisterfiend, I see, so it's executed the first time the file is loaded, which is probably usually? when the application is starting

23:57 <banisterfiend> sdferfx: exactly :)

23:58 <banisterfiend> sdferfx: try this: class Hello; puts "hello world!"; end

23:58 <sdferfx> thanks for the help guys, I think I understand now :)

23:58 tomzx [tomzx!~tomzx@dsl-136-201.aei.ca] has joined #ruby

23:58 <Boohbah> sdferfx: i am also new to ruby, as you can tell, and answering questions helps me learn too :)

23:59 <Boohbah> banisterfiend: i was mistaken in my penultimate statement :)