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`ri ruby:`
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zenspider: oh, that's really interesting, thanks! Are there any other targets like that?
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no clue. I filed a bug because it was too fucking obscure already
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zenspider: yeah, that one's amazing and it sure'd be helpfull be it mentioned somewhere e.g. in ri's man
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maloik >
oh, really? funny videos
*woohoo*
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apeiros >
maloik: I think the fun is in the part where somebody owns your machine and can do with it what he wants :)
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maloik >
would they be able to code for me ?
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cause I'd totally go for that
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maloik: Code while you laugh at funny videos!
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exactly... that's like a dream situation isn't it
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yorickpeterse >
morning
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puts "Hello yorickpeterse"
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yorickpeterse >
YOU CAN FIND FUNY VIDEOS HERE: cat.yorickpeterse.com/movies
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epitron >
awwwwwwwwwwww
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yorickpeterse >
well shit, it seems my Ruby BBQ idea might actually become reality
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yorickpeterse >
cto-man super excited about it
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maloik >
where exactly ?
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yorickpeterse >
here in NL probably
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yorickpeterse >
that one day of the year it's sunny :P
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maloik >
yorickpeterse: NL <> 'exactly'
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yorickpeterse >
Probably somewhere within a 20 km radius of the Amsterdam city centre
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hmm, 2-3 hour drive
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not completely impossible
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Waheedi >
any idea whats this Unable to activate activemodel-3.2.6, because activesupport-3.2.17 conflicts with activesupport (= 3.2.6) (Gem::LoadError)?
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yorickpeterse >
maloik: train should be a bit faster
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yorickpeterse >
Waheedi: it means activesupport 3.2.17 was already loaded but something else was trying to load activesupport 3.2.6
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Waheedi >
yes and how can i unload 3.2.17
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Waheedi >
nd deploy 3.2.6
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yorickpeterse >
You can't, you have to load either one of the two
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yorickpeterse >
if you're using Bundler make sure the Gems are all up to date
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Waheedi >
sudo gem update yorickpeterse ?
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yorickpeterse >
... no
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yorickpeterse >
never run `sudo gem`
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Waheedi >
thats why i have my own kvm dude
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maloik >
yorickpeterse: maybe, but fuck trains :)
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well fuck Dutch traffic too, it's the worst
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yorickpeterse >
I PRESENT TO YOU:
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yorickpeterse >
review_html.at(selectors[:reviewer][:operator]).text.match(/:.+/).to_s.gsub(': ', '').gsub("\302\240", " ").strip rescue nil
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yorickpeterse >
and that's one of the better lines
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: your language is weird
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yorickpeterse >
you have multiple versions of month names
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[spoiler] >
yorickpeterse: so does croatian
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[spoiler] >
pretty much 1 set for each major dialect
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[spoiler] >
and all dialects are sort-of part of the standard
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yorickpeterse >
ugh
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yorickpeterse >
Hm, it sounds a bit like my CTO is blasting the A-team on his headphones
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darix >
"I love it when a plan comes together"
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yorickpeterse >
meanwhile I'm being a weeaboo and listening to Japanese music
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yorickpeterse >
ok apparently it was just rock music
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yorickpeterse >
meh
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ichilton >
Anyone got a neater way of doing this? - discs = discs.map { |disc| disc[:some_field] = 1; disc }
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ichilton >
i.e I have an array of hashes and I want to add something to each hash
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ljarvis >
ichilton: just use each
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ljarvis >
discs.each { |d| d[:some_field] = 1 }
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ichilton >
true, I guess!
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* yorickpeterse
introduced his co-workers to Dogecoin
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apeiros >
yorickpeterse: why do you hate your coworkers?
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oddmunds >
My company announced a couple of weeks ago that we'll accept bitcoin as payment for our services.
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oddmunds >
I thing we would accept dogecoin as well.
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lianj_ >
dogecoin is so useless
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ljarvis >
s/your coworkers/everyone on the planet/
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oddmunds >
wow much useless
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ljarvis >
ugh, I think accepting bc as payment is a terrible idea
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yorickpeterse >
very doge
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yorickpeterse >
much profit
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yorickpeterse >
wow
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oddmunds >
ljarvis: why?
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yorickpeterse >
ljarvis: you'll think otherwise when I'm swimming in money after selling my doge
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benlovell >
dogeoil salesman
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ljarvis >
I dunno, maybe it's because i never really 'got' bitcoin, but it makes me feel like im using a less professional service, dunno why
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lianj_ >
ljarvis: most merchants that allow it only do it as another payment method and instantly convert received btc back to dollar to escape exchange/price risk
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ljarvis >
just seems like a gimmick for me
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ljarvis >
but again, that's probably because i dont really get it
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oddmunds >
ljarvis: just to be clear, people can still pay us with regular money
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ljarvis >
oddmunds: ya i got that
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lianj_ >
so in that case why is it terrible :) its just providing another option of payment
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yorickpeterse >
oddmunds: do you also promise them to send them back 150% if others also send you lot money?
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lianj_ >
also paying for vpn with btc feels nice
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oddmunds >
yorickpeterse: i don't really get what you're saying
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oddmunds >
we are not investing in bitcoins
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lianj_ >
oddmunds: do you use a payment processor?
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oddmunds >
i don't think that it is likely that anyone will take us up on our offer
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yorickpeterse >
oddmunds: ponzi scheme
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oddmunds >
ah, yeah, no.
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oddmunds >
we're not pushing bitcoin on anyone
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lianj_ >
oddmunds: or plan to implement accepting it by yourself?
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oddmunds >
the obvious reason that we do it is because we have some competence in bitcoins, and want to increase our competence and at the same time make a name for ourselves as someone who knows their way around bitcoins
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oddmunds >
lianj_: our services are software consultants, so at most it will be a handful of transactions a month
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yorickpeterse >
oh lol
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yorickpeterse >
the irony
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oddmunds >
haha ponzicoin :D
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lianj_ >
oddmunds: just saying that payment processors allow a company to accept and exchange to usd instantly. no need to setup/handle/secure bitcoin on your side
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aha. will tackle that "problem" when or if it comes to that.
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oddmunds >
as i said before, i don't really expect anyone to take us up on the offer.
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but if anyone has like a business idea regarding bitcoins, and need developers or project management or whatever, they might look to us
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There, slapped a bunch of Rake tasks in to check syntax of YAML/ERB/HAML files after designers borken those
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yorickpeterse >
now I should be able to more easily prove them that there's no such thing as a valid syntax for file X in dev/staging and an invalid syntax in production
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yorickpeterse >
if anybody wants said code, holler
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yorickpeterse: just push it to github
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yorickpeterse >
ljarvis: so apparently the biggest chunk of our AWS bills goes to Mongo
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yorickpeterse >
I am not surprised
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yorickpeterse >
2nd place is ElasticSearch :|
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it's basically Mongo prod -> Elasticsearch -> Mongo dev/staging -> rest
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yorickpeterse >
with 3 m1.xlarge instances for ES that's not entirely unsurprising
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yorickpeterse >
(3 x ~380 USD)
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yorickpeterse >
and yet we only use it for logging
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yorickpeterse >
most expensive /var/log ever
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darix >
yorickpeterse: i am sure you can beat it with the price of a 2 node netapp cluster :p
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yorickpeterse >
well if we were to move to DigitalOcean we could apparently save 5000 USD
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yorickpeterse >
According to HN at least
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darix >
i am amazed the guys at HN have such a good insight in your budget ;)
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yorickpeterse >
Yeah
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yorickpeterse >
1) get digitalocean 2) get cloudflare 3) ???? 4) save 5000 USD
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yorickpeterse >
looks legit
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ljarvis >
aws isn't
*that* pricey like a lot of people make out
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(it can be)
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yorickpeterse >
benlovell: ping
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dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: _rb_ary_new_from_args
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you dun goofd
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ljarvis >
i haven't even changed anything in the last 3 months :/
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nhhhggg, presentation titles are the hardest
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hramrach >
any sane way to insert marks into string every third position from the end
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hramrach >
to make numbers readable
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hramrach >
ugh, "1234567890".chars.to_a.reverse.each_slice(3).to_a.map{|a|a.reverse.join}.reverse.join(".")
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apeiros >
too bad corundum is gone…
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ljarvis >
>> "1234567890".gsub(/(\d{3})/, '\1.')
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apeiros >
he had a commify canned answer
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ljarvis >
ah from the end
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ljarvis >
still applies
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apeiros >
str.gsub(/\d(?=(?:\d{3})+(?:\z|\D))/, '\0.')
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apeiros >
ljarvis: um, no
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apeiros >
changing length will make it wrong
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hramrach >
the gsub approach somehow did not work out for me
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apeiros >
your very example actually shows it :)
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>> "1234567890".gsub(/\d(?=(?:\d{3})+(?:\z|\D))/, '\0.')
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apeiros >
works for me
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hramrach >
ok, it works
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hramrach >
and now fro the sane way?
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apeiros >
define "sane"
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hramrach >
>> "1234567890".chars.to_a.reverse.each_slice(3).to_a.map{|a|a.reverse.join}.reverse.join(".")
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hramrach >
There is a reason people dislike dealing with sendmail.cf
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apeiros >
I don't find that sane
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hramrach >
you can read it
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apeiros >
I can read my regex too :-p
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apeiros >
but then again, I'm awesome ;-)
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hramrach >
you just wrote it
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hramrach >
You will not be able to read it two weeks from now, most likely
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apeiros >
regex reading is a matter of training. but yes, it's one of the more difficult things. especially with longer regexen.
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apeiros >
yes, I will.
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ljarvis >
that isn't a complex regex
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hramrach >
what I really hate is this part: map{|a|a
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ljarvis >
the entire thing is overkill
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apeiros >
Numeric really should have a proper format method
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apeiros >
#format(thousands: '.', decimal: ',')
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apeiros >
#format(thousands: '.', decimal: ',', round: nil, floor: nil, ceil: nil)
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hramrach >
>> 1234567890.format(thousands: '.')
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apeiros >
1234.5678.format(round: 2) # => "1.234,57"
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apeiros >
hramrach: that's Kernel#format you call. which is sprintf.
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ljarvis >
mother of god
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apeiros >
the one above in core would suffice IMO
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apeiros >
that said, that rails uses a
*helper* for that is just wrong.
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apeiros >
this belongs into I18n.l
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apeiros >
just like dates.
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hramrach >
it does not format for me
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hramrach >
and it does not belong in i18n if you want a
*consistent* format
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hramrach >
which might or might not be the case in rails
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ljarvis >
just nuked my ruby install
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ljarvis >
i hate computers
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yorickpeterse >
lrn2computer
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alternatively, chmod -R 400 ~/.rubies
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hramrach >
ok, this just does not work as nicely as it could. What I am missing here for simple code is reverse_each_slice or that format method
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jtoy >
is there away I can see where a class's source code is?
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jtoy >
like String.location_to_source
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lianj_ >
>> [1,2,3,4].reverse.each_slice(2).to_a
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jtoy >
I need it because I have a class I defined but its not using the interface I gave it, and I have no idea why
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hramrach >
but the slices are reversed
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hramrach >
"1234567890".chars.to_a.reverse.each_slice(3).to_a.map{|a|a.reverse.join}.reverse.join(".")
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>> "1234567890".chars.to_a.reverse.each_slice(3).to_a.map{|a|a.reverse.join}.reverse.join(".")
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hramrach >
you need many reverses for that ..
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hramrach >
ok, time to go
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hramrach >
thanks for help
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jtoy >
lianj_: how would I run it on new or initialize?
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jtoy >
Moniker::Api.initialize.source_location
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jtoy >
NoMethodError: private method `initialize' called for Moniker::Api:Class
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lianj_ >
>> require 'irb'; IRB.method(:start).source_location
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Moniker::Api.method(:initialize).source_location
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jtoy >
why would I get nil?
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jtoy >
same for string though String.method(:initialize).source_location
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my core problem is that I am using a class that expects 4 args in the initializer, but when I call it, I get an arg count mismatch
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jtoy >
I use this class in other libraries just fine, so I dont understadn why the definition of it "changed"
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boom, RubyC summary sent
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…How many arguments does it expect?
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anyone know a shortcut for ls -tr | grep foo | and then display 'all except the top x'
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|jemc| >
ljarvis: will 'tail -n +K' do anything for you?
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|jemc| >
(with K being the first line to output)
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ljarvis >
|jemc|: hah yes that's perfec, thanks
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imperator >
friggin osx system calls, can't even raise the right errno
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yorickpeterse >
get a real OS
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yorickpeterse >
MyFirstUnix
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mechan1c >
yourickpeterse, you're lucky :]
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imperator >
yorickpeterse, so...BeOS
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yorickpeterse >
heh
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FastJack >
oh, beos. good times :)
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imperator >
could woulda shoulda
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imperator >
*coulda*
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darix >
imperator: Hurd
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<
darix >
as alternative
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imperator >
he said a "real" OS
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centrx >
1969 AT&T Unix or bust.
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caffinated1 >
I have a question about bit shifting
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caffinated1 >
when I have an Integer and shift it why does it get upgraded to a Bignum
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<
caffinated1 >
1.class #=> Integer
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apeiros >
>> 1.class
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caffinated1 >
x = 20 << 2
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<
caffinated1 >
x.class #=> Bignum
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<
apeiros >
caffinated1: Fixnum is for small enough integers
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<
apeiros >
Bignum for bigger ones
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<
apeiros >
Fixnum < Integer, Bignum < Integr
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caffinated1 >
yeah but these number are not that big
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centrx >
>> x = 20 << 2; x.class
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apeiros >
the limit is always the same
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<
apeiros >
on a 64bit system, it's 2**62 - 1
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<
apeiros >
s/system/ruby/
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apeiros >
>> [(2**62-1).class, (2**62).class]
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caffinated1 >
yeah I think my question is why does it upgrade it be default
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apeiros >
oh, 32bit ruby obviously
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apeiros >
caffinated1: because otherwise you would not get a result at all.
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caffinated1 >
makeing bignums and then doing the shift there is a big performance benifit
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caffinated1 >
but with the conversion it is actually a worse for performance then dividing
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<
centrx >
Throwing an error and not calculating the result is of course faster
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caffinated1 >
centrx: I dont know what you mean
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apeiros >
caffinated1: dude, what about
*no result* don't you get?
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<
apeiros >
what's it worth if it takes 0.000s to get no result at all?
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caffinated1 >
what do you mean no result
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apeiros >
caffinated1: what I said before
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apeiros >
caffinated1: Fixnum has a limited range
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apeiros >
it can't represent your result.
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<
apeiros >
that's why ruby uses Bignum.
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apeiros >
23:12 apeiros: the limit is always the same
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apeiros >
23:12 apeiros: on a 64bit system, it's 2**62 - 1
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caffinated1 >
I didnt realize that is what you ment
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apeiros >
reading is an art, I know…
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apeiros >
and ruby is as nice and powerful to automatically do it for you.
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caffinated1 >
so when you shift a number even a small one it can only be represented as a Bignum
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centrx >
caffinated1, But your examples were not true. It does not do that
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apeiros >
caffinated1: care to show what you consider *small*?
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apeiros >
because again, the limit is 2**62-1
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apeiros >
which is quite large. not small.
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caffinated1 >
irb(main):001:0> 20 << 2
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caffinated1 >
=> 80
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centrx >
that's not true though
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<
centrx >
Your example is wrong
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apeiros >
yeah, that's not a Bignum caffinated1
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apeiros >
not even on a 32bit ruby.
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caffinated1 >
ok you are right
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caffinated1 >
sorry when we are testing it on a diffrent system they are all bignums and that was unexpectes
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caffinated1 >
also found this in the ruby source code
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caffinated1 >
irb(main):001:0> 20 << 2
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caffinated1 >
=> 80
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apeiros >
caffinated1: 80 is on no system a bignum.
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caffinated1 >
static VALUE
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caffinated1 >
rb_fix_lshift(VALUE x, VALUE y)
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caffinated1 >
long val, width;
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caffinated1 >
val = NUM2LONG(x);
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caffinated1 >
if (!FIXNUM_P(y))
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caffinated1 >
return rb_big_lshift(rb_int2big(val), y);
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caffinated1 >
width = FIX2LONG(y);
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caffinated1 >
if (width < 0)
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caffinated1 >
return fix_rshift(val, (unsigned long)-width);
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caffinated1 >
return fix_lshift(val, width);
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apeiros >
use a f'ing paste service.
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<
caffinated1 >
and it seems like it always calls int2big
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caffinated1 >
aperiros: what is a paste service?
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apeiros >
caffinated1: I'll tell you once you manage to spell my nick correctly.
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apeiros >
hint: your irc client almost certainly has tab completion.
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caffinated1 >
apeiros: what is a paste service?
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apeiros >
caffinated1: see topic. gist.github.com is the preferred one.
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apeiros >
>3 lines of code belong on such a service instead of spamming the channel.
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caffinated1 >
ok ill do that next time did know
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apeiros >
caffinated1: I don't know how you read that as "always call int2big"
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apeiros >
you know, that `if` there tells it to only call the following code if the condition is satisfied…
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caffinated1 >
yeah the second if is for right shift though
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caffinated1 >
so whenever left shifts occure
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apeiros >
yes, and the third option is fix_lshift.
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caffinated1 >
Ok I see that now
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caffinated1 >
i find this format of c hard to read
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imperator >
(20 << 2).class # => Fixnum
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caffinated1 >
I am trying to figure out if we actually get numbers that big in our test case to achieve bignums but we must
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caffinated1 >
I see now that writting out a smaller test case makes this easier
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dRbiG >
anybody got any nice scripts/tools for migrating gems across releases? as an arch user i tend to get this 'problem' relatively often ;)
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dRbiG >
last time (i guess 1.9 -> 2.0) i did a half-assed script for that
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ohsix >
put it in a prefix tat doesn't actually change and stage with versions you support
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bougyman >
dRbiG: I use rvm for this stuff.
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bougyman >
also an archlinux user here.
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bougyman >
i've never let ruby be subject to the OS 'system ruby'
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bougyman >
rbenv works, too
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dRbiG >
i use ruby for dev for myself here so the quick ver bumps make me (very) aware of the changes
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bougyman >
and I write gems, so I have to have more than one ruby installed.
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bougyman >
arch doesn't allow for that, as you know.
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dRbiG >
that's a very good point
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dRbiG >
ok, i'll block ruby updates for the time being and setup rvm
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dRbiG >
this should lead me to a comfortable position
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dRbiG >
bougyman: i started doing gems for myself, as i depoly mostly to my fbsd servers with 1.9
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dRbiG >
should have done that a lot earlier
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dRbiG >
even for small stuff
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dRbiG >
so much nicer
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matju >
how do I sort according to my locale ? For example, i need Î to be sorted together with I, not after Z.
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apeiros >
matju: you need a gem which handles collations. might be that one of the unicode gems does.
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imperator >
matju, which platform?
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matju >
imperator: does it matter ?
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zenspider >
holy shit... matju is here
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zenspider >
matju: long time. how goes?
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matju >
i'm fine... but doing quite different things nowadays.
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matju >
how about you ?
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zenspider >
oh? what are you up to?
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zenspider >
I'm quite good. a bit bored because I'm flying solo today, but that's ok
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threeifbywhiskey >
Is there a more elegant way to respond to all five of those methods differently?
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threeifbywhiskey >
Also, why doesn't #pretty_print use the string returned by the #text method?
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imperator >
threeifbywhiskey, pp has its own goofy interface
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imperator >
threeifbywhiskey, replied to your gist
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matju >
zenspider: sorry, i was busy writing an email.
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threeifbywhiskey >
imperator: Much obliged.
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matju >
zenspider: well, now I'm volunteering in a political party in Québec.