apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: RIP Jim || Ruby 2.1.1; 2.0.0-p451; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
<zenspider> `ri ruby:`
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<basiliothecat> zenspider: oh, that's really interesting, thanks! Are there any other targets like that?
<zenspider> no clue. I filed a bug because it was too fucking obscure already
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<basiliothecat> zenspider: yeah, that one's amazing and it sure'd be helpfull be it mentioned somewhere e.g. in ri's man
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<maloik> oh, really? funny videos *woohoo*
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<apeiros> maloik: I think the fun is in the part where somebody owns your machine and can do with it what he wants :)
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<maloik> :D
<maloik> would they be able to code for me ?
<maloik> cause I'd totally go for that
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<pipework> maloik: Code while you laugh at funny videos!
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<maloik> exactly... that's like a dream situation isn't it
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<tampi> puts "Hello yorickpeterse"
<yorickpeterse> YOU CAN FIND FUNY VIDEOS HERE: cat.yorickpeterse.com/movies
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<epitron> awwwwwwwwwwww
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<ljarvis> moin
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<yorickpeterse> well shit, it seems my Ruby BBQ idea might actually become reality
<yorickpeterse> cto-man super excited about it
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<maloik> where exactly ?
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<yorickpeterse> here in NL probably
<yorickpeterse> that one day of the year it's sunny :P
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<maloik> yorickpeterse: NL <> 'exactly'
<yorickpeterse> Probably somewhere within a 20 km radius of the Amsterdam city centre
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<maloik> hmm, 2-3 hour drive
<maloik> not completely impossible
<Waheedi> any idea whats this Unable to activate activemodel-3.2.6, because activesupport-3.2.17 conflicts with activesupport (= 3.2.6) (Gem::LoadError)?
<yorickpeterse> maloik: train should be a bit faster
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<yorickpeterse> Waheedi: it means activesupport 3.2.17 was already loaded but something else was trying to load activesupport 3.2.6
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<Waheedi> yes and how can i unload 3.2.17
<Waheedi> nd deploy 3.2.6
<yorickpeterse> You can't, you have to load either one of the two
<yorickpeterse> if you're using Bundler make sure the Gems are all up to date
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<Waheedi> sudo gem update yorickpeterse ?
<yorickpeterse> ... no
<yorickpeterse> never run `sudo gem`
<Waheedi> lol
<Waheedi> thats why i have my own kvm dude
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<maloik> yorickpeterse: maybe, but fuck trains :)
<yorickpeterse> well fuck Dutch traffic too, it's the worst
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<yorickpeterse> I PRESENT TO YOU:
<yorickpeterse> review_html.at(selectors[:reviewer][:operator]).text.match(/:.+/).to_s.gsub(': ', '').gsub("\302\240", " ").strip rescue nil
<yorickpeterse> and that's one of the better lines
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: your language is weird
<yorickpeterse> you have multiple versions of month names
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<[spoiler]> yorickpeterse: so does croatian
<[spoiler]> pretty much 1 set for each major dialect
<[spoiler]> and all dialects are sort-of part of the standard
<yorickpeterse> ugh
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, it sounds a bit like my CTO is blasting the A-team on his headphones
<darix> "I love it when a plan comes together"
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<yorickpeterse> meanwhile I'm being a weeaboo and listening to Japanese music
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<yorickpeterse> ok apparently it was just rock music
<yorickpeterse> meh
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<ichilton> Anyone got a neater way of doing this? - discs = discs.map { |disc| disc[:some_field] = 1; disc }
<ichilton> i.e I have an array of hashes and I want to add something to each hash
<ljarvis> ichilton: just use each
<ljarvis> discs.each { |d| d[:some_field] = 1 }
<ichilton> true, I guess!
<ichilton> thanks!
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* yorickpeterse introduced his co-workers to Dogecoin
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<oddmunds> :)
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: why do you hate your coworkers?
<oddmunds> My company announced a couple of weeks ago that we'll accept bitcoin as payment for our services.
<oddmunds> I thing we would accept dogecoin as well.
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<lianj_> dogecoin is so useless
<ljarvis> s/your coworkers/everyone on the planet/
<oddmunds> wow much useless
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<ljarvis> ugh, I think accepting bc as payment is a terrible idea
<lianj_> why?
<yorickpeterse> very doge
<yorickpeterse> much profit
<yorickpeterse> wow
<oddmunds> ljarvis: why?
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: you'll think otherwise when I'm swimming in money after selling my doge
<benlovell> dogeoil salesman
<ljarvis> I dunno, maybe it's because i never really 'got' bitcoin, but it makes me feel like im using a less professional service, dunno why
<lianj_> ljarvis: most merchants that allow it only do it as another payment method and instantly convert received btc back to dollar to escape exchange/price risk
<ljarvis> sure
<ljarvis> just seems like a gimmick for me
<ljarvis> but again, that's probably because i dont really get it
<oddmunds> ljarvis: just to be clear, people can still pay us with regular money
<ljarvis> oddmunds: ya i got that
<lianj_> so in that case why is it terrible :) its just providing another option of payment
<yorickpeterse> oddmunds: do you also promise them to send them back 150% if others also send you lot money?
<lianj_> also paying for vpn with btc feels nice
<oddmunds> yorickpeterse: i don't really get what you're saying
<oddmunds> we are not investing in bitcoins
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<lianj_> oddmunds: do you use a payment processor?
<oddmunds> i don't think that it is likely that anyone will take us up on our offer
<yorickpeterse> oddmunds: ponzi scheme
<oddmunds> ah, yeah, no.
<oddmunds> we're not pushing bitcoin on anyone
<lianj_> oddmunds: or plan to implement accepting it by yourself?
<oddmunds> the obvious reason that we do it is because we have some competence in bitcoins, and want to increase our competence and at the same time make a name for ourselves as someone who knows their way around bitcoins
<oddmunds> lianj_: our services are software consultants, so at most it will be a handful of transactions a month
<yorickpeterse> oh lol
<yorickpeterse> the irony
<oddmunds> haha ponzicoin :D
<lianj_> oddmunds: just saying that payment processors allow a company to accept and exchange to usd instantly. no need to setup/handle/secure bitcoin on your side
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<oddmunds> aha. will tackle that "problem" when or if it comes to that.
<oddmunds> as i said before, i don't really expect anyone to take us up on the offer.
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<oddmunds> but if anyone has like a business idea regarding bitcoins, and need developers or project management or whatever, they might look to us
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<yorickpeterse> There, slapped a bunch of Rake tasks in to check syntax of YAML/ERB/HAML files after designers borken those
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<yorickpeterse> now I should be able to more easily prove them that there's no such thing as a valid syntax for file X in dev/staging and an invalid syntax in production
<yorickpeterse> if anybody wants said code, holler
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<darix> yorickpeterse: just push it to github
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: so apparently the biggest chunk of our AWS bills goes to Mongo
<yorickpeterse> I am not surprised
<yorickpeterse> 2nd place is ElasticSearch :|
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<ljarvis> :D
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<yorickpeterse> it's basically Mongo prod -> Elasticsearch -> Mongo dev/staging -> rest
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<yorickpeterse> with 3 m1.xlarge instances for ES that's not entirely unsurprising
<yorickpeterse> (3 x ~380 USD)
<yorickpeterse> and yet we only use it for logging
<yorickpeterse> most expensive /var/log ever
<darix> yorickpeterse: i am sure you can beat it with the price of a 2 node netapp cluster :p
<yorickpeterse> well if we were to move to DigitalOcean we could apparently save 5000 USD
<yorickpeterse> According to HN at least
<darix> i am amazed the guys at HN have such a good insight in your budget ;)
<yorickpeterse> Yeah
<yorickpeterse> 1) get digitalocean 2) get cloudflare 3) ???? 4) save 5000 USD
<yorickpeterse> looks legit
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<ljarvis> heh
<ljarvis> aws isn't *that* pricey like a lot of people make out
<ljarvis> (it can be)
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<yorickpeterse> benlovell: ping
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<ljarvis> dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: _rb_ary_new_from_args
<ljarvis> fu ruby
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<yorickpeterse> you dun goofd
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<ljarvis> i haven't even changed anything in the last 3 months :/
<ljarvis> fail
<yorickpeterse> nhhhggg, presentation titles are the hardest
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<hramrach> hello
<hramrach> any sane way to insert marks into string every third position from the end
<hramrach> to make numbers readable
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<hramrach> ugh, "1234567890".chars.to_a.reverse.each_slice(3).to_a.map{|a|a.reverse.join}.reverse.join(".")
<apeiros> too bad corundum is gone…
<ljarvis> >> "1234567890".gsub(/(\d{3})/, '\1.')
<eval-in> ljarvis => "123.456.789.0" (https://eval.in/115661)
<apeiros> he had a commify canned answer
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<ljarvis> ah from the end
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<ljarvis> still applies
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<apeiros> str.gsub(/\d(?=(?:\d{3})+(?:\z|\D))/, '\0.')
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<apeiros> ljarvis: um, no
<apeiros> changing length will make it wrong
<hramrach> the gsub approach somehow did not work out for me
<apeiros> your very example actually shows it :)
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<apeiros> >> "1234567890".gsub(/\d(?=(?:\d{3})+(?:\z|\D))/, '\0.')
<eval-in> apeiros => "1.234.567.890" (https://eval.in/115665)
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<apeiros> works for me
<hramrach> ok, it works
<hramrach> and now fro the sane way?
<apeiros> define "sane"
<hramrach> >> "1234567890".chars.to_a.reverse.each_slice(3).to_a.map{|a|a.reverse.join}.reverse.join(".")
<eval-in> hramrach => "1.234.567.890" (https://eval.in/115667)
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<hramrach> There is a reason people dislike dealing with sendmail.cf
<apeiros> I don't find that sane
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<hramrach> you can read it
<apeiros> I can read my regex too :-p
<apeiros> but then again, I'm awesome ;-)
<hramrach> you just wrote it
<hramrach> You will not be able to read it two weeks from now, most likely
<apeiros> regex reading is a matter of training. but yes, it's one of the more difficult things. especially with longer regexen.
<ljarvis> wat
<apeiros> yes, I will.
<ljarvis> that isn't a complex regex
<apeiros> ^
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<hramrach> what I really hate is this part: map{|a|a
<ljarvis> the entire thing is overkill
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<apeiros> Numeric really should have a proper format method
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<ljarvis> heh
<apeiros> #format(thousands: '.', decimal: ',')
<ljarvis> aye
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<apeiros> #format(thousands: '.', decimal: ',', round: nil, floor: nil, ceil: nil)
<hramrach> >> 1234567890.format(thousands: '.')
<eval-in> hramrach => private method `format' called for 1234567890:Bignum (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/115668)
<apeiros> 1234.5678.format(round: 2) # => "1.234,57"
<apeiros> hramrach: that's Kernel#format you call. which is sprintf.
<ljarvis> mother of god
<apeiros> :D
<apeiros> the one above in core would suffice IMO
<ljarvis> aye
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<apeiros> that said, that rails uses a *helper* for that is just wrong.
<apeiros> this belongs into I18n.l
<apeiros> just like dates.
<hramrach> it does not format for me
<hramrach> and it does not belong in i18n if you want a *consistent* format
<hramrach> which might or might not be the case in rails
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<ljarvis> just nuked my ruby install
<ljarvis> i hate computers
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<yorickpeterse> lrn2computer
<yorickpeterse> alternatively, chmod -R 400 ~/.rubies
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<hramrach> ok, this just does not work as nicely as it could. What I am missing here for simple code is reverse_each_slice or that format method
<lianj_> wut?
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<jtoy> is there away I can see where a class's source code is?
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<jtoy> like String.location_to_source
<lianj_> >> [1,2,3,4].reverse.each_slice(2).to_a
<eval-in> lianj_ => [[4, 3], [2, 1]] (https://eval.in/115693)
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<jtoy> I need it because I have a class I defined but its not using the interface I gave it, and I have no idea why
<hramrach> but the slices are reversed
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<hramrach> "1234567890".chars.to_a.reverse.each_slice(3).to_a.map{|a|a.reverse.join}.reverse.join(".")
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<hramrach> >> "1234567890".chars.to_a.reverse.each_slice(3).to_a.map{|a|a.reverse.join}.reverse.join(".")
<eval-in> hramrach => "1.234.567.890" (https://eval.in/115694)
<hramrach> you need many reverses for that ..
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<hramrach> ok, time to go
<hramrach> thanks for help
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<jtoy> lianj_: how would I run it on new or initialize?
<jtoy> Moniker::Api.initialize.source_location
<jtoy> NoMethodError: private method `initialize' called for Moniker::Api:Class
<lianj_> >> require 'irb'; IRB.method(:start).source_location
<eval-in> lianj_ => ["/execpad/interpreters/ruby-2.1.0/lib/ruby/2.1.0/irb.rb", 377] (https://eval.in/115704)
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<jtoy> Moniker::Api.method(:initialize).source_location
<jtoy> => nil
<jtoy> why would I get nil?
<jtoy> its a gem
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<jtoy> same for string though String.method(:initialize).source_location
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<jtoy> my core problem is that I am using a class that expects 4 args in the initializer, but when I call it, I get an arg count mismatch
<jtoy> I use this class in other libraries just fine, so I dont understadn why the definition of it "changed"
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<yorickpeterse> boom, RubyC summary sent
<jtoy> anyone?
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<rue_XIW> …How many arguments does it expect?
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<ljarvis> anyone know a shortcut for ls -tr | grep foo | and then display 'all except the top x'
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<|jemc|> ljarvis: will 'tail -n +K' do anything for you?
<|jemc|> (with K being the first line to output)
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<ljarvis> |jemc|: hah yes that's perfec, thanks
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<imperator> friggin osx system calls, can't even raise the right errno
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<yorickpeterse> get a real OS
<yorickpeterse> MyFirstUnix
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<mechan1c> yourickpeterse, you're lucky :]
<imperator> yorickpeterse, so...BeOS
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<yorickpeterse> heh
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<FastJack> oh, beos. good times :)
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<imperator> could woulda shoulda
<imperator> *coulda*
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<darix> imperator: Hurd
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<darix> as alternative
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<imperator> he said a "real" OS
<centrx> 1969 AT&T Unix or bust.
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<caffinated1> I have a question about bit shifting
<centrx> Do tell
<caffinated1> when I have an Integer and shift it why does it get upgraded to a Bignum
<caffinated1> 1.class #=> Integer
<apeiros> um, no
<apeiros> Fixnum
<apeiros> >> 1.class
<eval-in> apeiros => Fixnum (https://eval.in/115935)
<caffinated1> x = 20 << 2
<caffinated1> x.class #=> Bignum
<apeiros> caffinated1: Fixnum is for small enough integers
<apeiros> Bignum for bigger ones
<apeiros> Fixnum < Integer, Bignum < Integr
<caffinated1> yeah but these number are not that big
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<centrx> >> x = 20 << 2; x.class
<eval-in> centrx => Fixnum (https://eval.in/115936)
<apeiros> the limit is always the same
<apeiros> on a 64bit system, it's 2**62 - 1
<apeiros> s/system/ruby/
<apeiros> >> [(2**62-1).class, (2**62).class]
<eval-in> apeiros => [Bignum, Bignum] (https://eval.in/115937)
<caffinated1> yeah I think my question is why does it upgrade it be default
<apeiros> oh, 32bit ruby obviously
<apeiros> caffinated1: because otherwise you would not get a result at all.
<caffinated1> makeing bignums and then doing the shift there is a big performance benifit
<apeiros> …
<caffinated1> but with the conversion it is actually a worse for performance then dividing
<centrx> Throwing an error and not calculating the result is of course faster
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<caffinated1> centrx: I dont know what you mean
<apeiros> caffinated1: dude, what about *no result* don't you get?
<apeiros> what's it worth if it takes 0.000s to get no result at all?
<caffinated1> what do you mean no result
<centrx> >> 1/0
<eval-in> centrx => divided by 0 (ZeroDivisionError) ... (https://eval.in/115939)
<apeiros> caffinated1: what I said before
<apeiros> caffinated1: Fixnum has a limited range
<apeiros> it can't represent your result.
<apeiros> that's why ruby uses Bignum.
<caffinated1> oh
<apeiros> 23:12 apeiros: the limit is always the same
<apeiros> 23:12 apeiros: on a 64bit system, it's 2**62 - 1
<caffinated1> I didnt realize that is what you ment
<apeiros> reading is an art, I know…
<apeiros> and ruby is as nice and powerful to automatically do it for you.
<caffinated1> so when you shift a number even a small one it can only be represented as a Bignum
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<centrx> caffinated1, But your examples were not true. It does not do that
<apeiros> caffinated1: care to show what you consider *small*?
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<apeiros> because again, the limit is 2**62-1
<apeiros> which is quite large. not small.
<caffinated1> irb(main):001:0> 20 << 2
<caffinated1> => 80
<centrx> that's not true though
<centrx> Your example is wrong
<apeiros> yeah, that's not a Bignum caffinated1
<apeiros> not even on a 32bit ruby.
<caffinated1> ok you are right
<caffinated1> sorry when we are testing it on a diffrent system they are all bignums and that was unexpectes
<caffinated1> also found this in the ruby source code
<caffinated1> irb(main):001:0> 20 << 2
<caffinated1> => 80
<apeiros> caffinated1: 80 is on no system a bignum.
<caffinated1> static VALUE
<caffinated1> rb_fix_lshift(VALUE x, VALUE y)
<caffinated1> {
<caffinated1> long val, width;
<caffinated1> val = NUM2LONG(x);
<caffinated1> if (!FIXNUM_P(y))
<caffinated1> return rb_big_lshift(rb_int2big(val), y);
<caffinated1> width = FIX2LONG(y);
<caffinated1> if (width < 0)
<caffinated1> return fix_rshift(val, (unsigned long)-width);
<caffinated1> return fix_lshift(val, width);
<caffinated1> }
<apeiros> DUDE
<apeiros> use a f'ing paste service.
<caffinated1> and it seems like it always calls int2big
<caffinated1> aperiros: what is a paste service?
<apeiros> caffinated1: I'll tell you once you manage to spell my nick correctly.
<centrx> caffinated1, Please read http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
<apeiros> hint: your irc client almost certainly has tab completion.
<caffinated1> apeiros: what is a paste service?
<apeiros> caffinated1: see topic. gist.github.com is the preferred one.
<apeiros> >3 lines of code belong on such a service instead of spamming the channel.
<caffinated1> ok ill do that next time did know
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<apeiros> caffinated1: I don't know how you read that as "always call int2big"
<apeiros> you know, that `if` there tells it to only call the following code if the condition is satisfied…
<caffinated1> yeah the second if is for right shift though
<caffinated1> so whenever left shifts occure
<apeiros> yes, and the third option is fix_lshift.
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<caffinated1> Ok I see that now
<caffinated1> i find this format of c hard to read
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<imperator> (20 << 2).class # => Fixnum
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<caffinated1> I am trying to figure out if we actually get numbers that big in our test case to achieve bignums but we must
<caffinated1> I see now that writting out a smaller test case makes this easier
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<dRbiG> anybody got any nice scripts/tools for migrating gems across releases? as an arch user i tend to get this 'problem' relatively often ;)
<dRbiG> last time (i guess 1.9 -> 2.0) i did a half-assed script for that
<ohsix> put it in a prefix tat doesn't actually change and stage with versions you support
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<bougyman> dRbiG: I use rvm for this stuff.
<bougyman> also an archlinux user here.
<bougyman> i've never let ruby be subject to the OS 'system ruby'
<bougyman> rbenv works, too
<dRbiG> i use ruby for dev for myself here so the quick ver bumps make me (very) aware of the changes
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<bougyman> same
<dRbiG> hmmm
<bougyman> and I write gems, so I have to have more than one ruby installed.
<bougyman> arch doesn't allow for that, as you know.
<dRbiG> that's a very good point
<dRbiG> ok, i'll block ruby updates for the time being and setup rvm
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<dRbiG> this should lead me to a comfortable position
<dRbiG> bougyman: i started doing gems for myself, as i depoly mostly to my fbsd servers with 1.9
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<dRbiG> should have done that a lot earlier
<dRbiG> even for small stuff
<dRbiG> so much nicer
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<matju> how do I sort according to my locale ? For example, i need Î to be sorted together with I, not after Z.
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<apeiros> matju: you need a gem which handles collations. might be that one of the unicode gems does.
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<imperator> matju, which platform?
<matju> imperator: does it matter ?
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<imperator> nm
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<zenspider> holy shit... matju is here
<zenspider> matju: long time. how goes?
<matju> i'm fine... but doing quite different things nowadays.
<matju> how about you ?
<zenspider> oh? what are you up to?
<zenspider> I'm quite good. a bit bored because I'm flying solo today, but that's ok
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<threeifbywhiskey> Is there a more elegant way to respond to all five of those methods differently?
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<threeifbywhiskey> Also, why doesn't #pretty_print use the string returned by the #text method?
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<imperator> threeifbywhiskey, pp has its own goofy interface
<imperator> threeifbywhiskey, replied to your gist
<matju> zenspider: sorry, i was busy writing an email.
<threeifbywhiskey> imperator: Much obliged.
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<matju> zenspider: well, now I'm volunteering in a political party in Québec.