apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: RIP Jim || Ruby 2.1.1; 2.0.0-p451; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<karamazov424> Has anyone here run through codeschools RoR courses?
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<boycey> Anyone using Shoes gem here ?
<centrx> I prefer to go barefoot
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<Neuromancr> Anyone here involved in "machine learning" using Ruby?
<centrx> Yes, watch this:
<centrx> Neuromancr, Speller's salaried increases intruder tampered?
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<yorickpeterse> JUST RUN ON DIGITAL OCEAN
<yorickpeterse> == PROFIT
<yorickpeterse> also good morning
<apeiros> moin yorickpeterse
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<ljarvis> moin
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<ljarvis> heh @ the rubygems bill
<maloik> holy...
<maloik> for one month alone that is insane
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: I find zarel's comment interesting
<ljarvis> maloik: not really
<apeiros> isn't most of rubygems traffic static too?
<ljarvis> my estimate would have been around 5k though
<maloik> what I mean with insane is that this is a community effort without any income
<maloik> hmm it says hosted by bluebox
<ljarvis> ah right yeah, well rubycentral fronts the bill, but it's maintained by volunteers
<ljarvis> rubycentral is hosted by bluebox i think
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<yorickpeterse> apeiros: take into account that most people who say shit like that have no idea what they're talking about
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<yorickpeterse> also, paying for bear metal isn't always fun and games
<apeiros> I WANT BEAR METAL!
<yorickpeterse> DC costs, management costs, oh shit the router is broken go fix it yourself, etc
<apeiros> I bet its roars would be awesome
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<apeiros> "say shit like that" - are you referring to the one you linked, or to zarel?
<bnagy> pretty sure bear metal is for big buff gay guys
<apeiros> I think it'd make for great armor in some games
<apeiros> better than any dragon scale armor
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<maloik> and soft because fluffy on the inside amirite
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<apeiros> maloik: totally!
<ljarvis> i dont understand what anyone is talking about
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<apeiros> ljarvis: depends, either https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7344844 or the awesome material that is bear metal.
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<yorickpeterse> apeiros: the HN comments
<maloik> bear metal ?
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: both are HN comments…
<ljarvis> i think that photo was shopped
<yorickpeterse> "LOL MOVE TO DIGITAL OCEAN SAVE 5000 DOLLARS"
<ljarvis> maybe
<bnagy> like an alloy of iron, molybdenium, vanadium and bears?
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: yeah, but go into the comments of that one. look for zarel. he talks about using cloudfare for ~25TB of traffic (which he says he uses himself)
<apeiros> I wonder whether that wouldn't be an option for rubygems, given that most traffic is probably static there too
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: I seen that one
<apeiros> k, ljarvis sucks less than I do :D
<maloik> 3k of their costs was "data transfer" if I remember (dont have the bill in front of me)
<maloik> isnt that the data transfer between aws instances/regions ?
<ljarvis> now you do
<maloik> I still have to click though... :-)
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<yorickpeterse> I doubt Cloudflare would hold together for RubyGems though
<ljarvis> why?
<maloik> ahhhh #ror, always a good bet if you want tumbleweeds to your questions :(
<yorickpeterse> e.g. I see no mention of bandwith restraints and w/e
<yorickpeterse> also I have no idea how cloudflare handles static files served from S3
<yorickpeterse> (which is where Gems are located atm)
<whitequark> recaches them
<whitequark> it's like a next-level CPU cache. S3 ~ RAM, cloudflare ~ L2, browser ~ L1
<yorickpeterse> heh
<whitequark> or gem client
<yorickpeterse> Either way, it probably helps, but it's not the silver bullet the comments make out of it
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<yorickpeterse> we probably pay like 2x that amount, but I'd have to check
<whitequark> I really wonder about it, I can see how it could massively help with few most popular gems
<whitequark> *cough*rails*cough*
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* yorickpeterse still has to write a forward caching proxy for RubyGems
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<yorickpeterse> because that would actually be useful
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse assuming that rubygems uses a simple GET url like rubygems.org/download/gemname-gemversion.gem, any ordinary http proxy would do. no?
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: yes, https://github.com/yorickpeterse/gem-mirror
<yorickpeterse> that uses the legacy API or w/e it was called
<yorickpeterse> You could probably hack it together using Squid
<yorickpeterse> It needs some extra processing though to get all the files for it to be a fully standalone thing
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, seems poor intern didn't test something
* yorickpeterse gets out the whip
<yorickpeterse> ROLLBAR DOESN'T LIE
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<maloik> screenshots do
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<maloik> 'shopped
<maloik> I can see the pixels
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<yorickpeterse> hm, so apparently our costs are actually less than RubyGems'
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<yorickpeterse> ignoring the extra money we pay our ops
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<maloik> "ok im rebasing now" - *someone pushes extra commits* - "please dont push now, this rebase is hard as it is" - *rebases again* - *another push*
<maloik> :@
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<yorickpeterse> lrn2git
<yorickpeterse> or just git push -f
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<maloik> I did actually -f, which caused the last commits to go lost :D
<maloik> "oh my chat window was scrolled" hehehe
<yorickpeterse> NEVER PUSH WITH -F YOU NERD
<maloik> in a rebase like this there would have been no other choice, regardless of commits after the rebase
<yorickpeterse> it better not be the master branch
<maloik> ofc not
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<yorickpeterse> boom, another 4 instances bite the dust
<yorickpeterse> bye bye old mongo cluster
<matti> Commits might still be in local reflog.
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: ping
<maloik> matti: they are, he added them again
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<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: pong
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: if one defines a sub command in slop, does that inherit methods from the wrapping command?
<ljarvis> no
<yorickpeterse> hm
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<ljarvis> the command stuff could do with some work (nobody uses it, including me, so it's a little hard to build), however I'm planning on removing it entirely in v4
<yorickpeterse> hm
<ljarvis> then again v4 is almost different in every way
<ljarvis> so there may be some uproar about that
<yorickpeterse> but...but...I use it :<
<ljarvis> you're welcome to hack at it, i just can't invest the time in it this week
<yorickpeterse> no problem, just wondering
<yorickpeterse> I have to shell stuff out into classes anyway
<ljarvis> Slop::Commands is a ghetto
<yorickpeterse> heh
<yorickpeterse> dat namespace: Olery::Scheduler::Scheduler::Users
<yorickpeterse> needs more SchedulerScheduler
<ljarvis> ah good old Scheduler::Scheduler
<yorickpeterse> worst is, I'm writing it
<ljarvis> hah
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<unsymbol> heh :)
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<ljarvis> hmm now I need a bundle clean but only remove all except the last 5 releases
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<ologNation> Hello. I'm following this tutorial: http://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html
<jhass> ologNation: #RubyOnRails ;)
<ologNation> jhass, Thank you.
<ologNation> jhass, Does that exist? I typed /join #RubyOnRails, but nothing happened.
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<jhass> it does
<ologNation> I'm also in #rails-tutorial, but no one is there.
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<jhass> it has +r set, so you need to be registered with NickServ
<jhass> /msg NickServ help
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<ologNation> NickServ ologNation
<ologNation> ..?
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<jhass> the command I gave you should give you explanations of the available commands
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<ologNation> jhass, I'm working it out. Thanks again.
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<ologNation> jhass, Okay. That was awkward at first, but I've succeeded and I am now at #RubyOnRails. Thanks for helping me get there.
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<[spoiler]> Uuuuugh. Passenger's still testing my soul
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<yorickpeterse> User.with_mention_alerts.fist # welp, I need a break I think
<[spoiler]> fist? :P
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<yorickpeterse> Yeah I made a typo and was like "ok.....take a step back here"
<[spoiler]> LOL
<[spoiler]> Sounds so angry, though
<[spoiler]> "You want mention alerts?! *punches* How about that!"
<yorickpeterse> wasn't there some Gem that basically let you use vulgar language for method calls?
<yorickpeterse> So you could do things like [10, nil, nil].fucking_compact
<[spoiler]> LMFAO
<oddmunds> :D
<apeiros> why'd somebody override my Array#fucking_compact? OO
<ologNation> Does anyone know a data structure in Ruby which works like a dictionary with (key,value) pairs?
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<yorickpeterse> Hash
<[spoiler]> Ngl, I abuse hashes sometimes
<[spoiler]> "What sh--hash."
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<[spoiler]> Ok, I am now convinced Passenger ignores PassengerPoolIdleTime...
<tbuehlmann> [spoiler], you could hit FooBarWidget with that
<oddmunds> such anger
<[spoiler]> Asked in the #passenger channel already, thanks tbuehlmann :D
<yorickpeterse> hnnng, I can't find the darn Gem
<tbuehlmann> ah
<cored> yorickpeterse: gem install fuck_you_rubygems
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<yorickpeterse> No not that one
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<yorickpeterse> also I'm not installing that
<cored> hehehe
<cored> :-P
<[spoiler]> Hmm, also commented-out PassengerMinInstances (which was 1)
<[spoiler]> and this instance won't go away
<[spoiler]> lol
<[spoiler]> it's running 6 minutes now
<[spoiler]> 16*
<[spoiler]> and I've set PassengerPoolIdleTime to 1 to test it
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<yorickpeterse> Hmpf, if it wasn't for these others in the office I'd be blasting loud piano music atm
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<yorickpeterse> <3 Joe Hisaishi
<yorickpeterse> I mean ♥
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<cored> I need an idea to test a piece of code that happens when an exception get thrown with minitest; I defined the exception inside the testcase and it's run fine isolated but when I run the entire test suite it just brakes because of defining it twice
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<[spoiler]> testception. Testing your tests
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<cored> [spoiler]: yeap
<[spoiler]> Do you have a gist or something? I doubt anyone'll be able to help this way (at lest I can't). Also, post the stack trace, too :D
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<cored> sure
<[spoiler]> Which error does it give you specifically?
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<cored> [spoiler]: when I run that particular test it runs fine; but when I wrong the entire test suite I guess an error refering to Timeout::Error already defined
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<[spoiler]> Hmm
<cored> superclass mismatch for class Error
<[spoiler]> Hmm
<[spoiler]> it sounds to me like
<[spoiler]> Error's defined already?
<[spoiler]> Have you tried changing the constant's name
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<[spoiler]> Just make it: module Timeout; class TimeoutError < Error; end; end;
<cored> yes; sure but the actual implementation and the service will raise a Timeout::Error
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<cored> in that case I won't be able to catch it from the test and I won't be able to test what the code needs to do after raise
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<[spoiler]> Hmm
<[spoiler]> Try raising the error
<[spoiler]> without defining it, perhaps?
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<[spoiler]> if you included the library or w/e you're testing then it's probably defined there already
<cored> [spoiler]: sure it will be included but if I load Rails
<[spoiler]> Gah, I'm figuring this Apache/Passenger out. The only thing that's left is that
<cored> [spoiler]: I wanted to test this in isolation entirely
<[spoiler]> PassengerMaxInstancesPerApp is not working properly.
<[spoiler]> But, it's obviously not completely isolated if Timeout::Error is already defined
<[spoiler]> It *has* to be defined somewhere
<cored> [spoiler]: you are right
<[spoiler]> try doing
<[spoiler]> grep Timeout test_dir/*.rb
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<[spoiler]> Maybe you defined it twice accidentally, or maybe you're including it from somewhere. Dunno
<cored> there are a lot of classes using Timeout::Error but is not defined
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<cored> it's defined inside a gem which it's include through test_helper
<cored> which loads a lot of stuff that makes the test slow I did not want that for this particular test because it's very simple
<cored> but the problem in here is that there is a non existant wrapper
<cored> defining it's own set of exceptions that I can catch and include at will without loading entire Rails
<cored> the execptions use are from the actual gems; which leads to this chaos
<[spoiler]> Maybe test if the class is already defined before you define it?
<[spoiler]> that way the whole test should run
<cored> hm
<cored> Timeout::Error is standard Ruby
<[spoiler]> Timeout::Error
<[spoiler]> NameError: uninitialized constant Timeout
<[spoiler]> :(
<[spoiler]> in irb
<ljarvis> require 'timeout'
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<cored> ljarvis: thanks
<cored> that solve my problem
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<ljarvis> i have achieved pretty much nothing today :-/
<yorickpeterse> then get your fat ass off IRC and Reddit
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<yorickpeterse> or w/e it is that the cool kids do
<ljarvis> aw im a cool kid
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<yorickpeterse> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxd4bY_o_4k&hd=1 here, go listen to this while coding
<yorickpeterse> and don't play the conductor like I usually do
<yorickpeterse> that's not very productive
* yorickpeterse has to restrain himself from doing that in the office
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<[spoiler]> K! Going home, see ya folk! :D
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<ljarvis> I need to design a set of labels to be printed off in the form of a downloadable pdf, can anyone recommend decent libraries to build said pdf?
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<yorickpeterse> prawn or docraptor
<yorickpeterse> We're using both, can't really recommend Prawn though
<yorickpeterse> it's a PITA
<yorickpeterse> Docraptor is pretty sweet so far
<yorickpeterse> e.g. it doesn't seem to mind a few 100 pages of HTML + SVG
<ljarvis> which gem?
<ljarvis> there's a couple
<yorickpeterse> eh lemme check
<yorickpeterse> doc_raptor
<ljarvis> ah no maybe there's no, just different names
<ljarvis> cool ta
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<ljarvis> meh external services
<toretore> prawn works well
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<toretore> even though it's very low level
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: eh yeah, it uses an API of Docraptor
<yorickpeterse> otherwise enjoy positioning those coordinates
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<ljarvis> bitch what
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<yorickpeterse> heh
<maloik> hmmm we're gonna have to try that
<maloik> always takes us forever to get the arrrrcamp booklet labels right
<yorickpeterse> oh nice, I like how Ruby just disregards me rescue-ing ArgumentError
<toretore> just suck it up and use prawn directly, you're going to at some time anyway
<maloik> well we do it in... hmm I don't remember but I think it's access
<maloik> colleague basically does it, I just tell him "move this there, give more margin here"
<yorickpeterse> I'm glad when we're rid of Prawn
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<ljarvis> prawn seems pretty okay from what i've seen so far
<ljarvis> i guess i dont need to use much of it anyway
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<toretore> prawn isn't exactly elegant, but it does what it's supposed to without any fanfare.. i find that any pdf generator that doesn't produce pdf directly gets in my way at some point
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<toretore> especially the ones that start with html+css
<toretore> because they don't let you control everything about the pdf
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<yorickpeterse> oh shit, I got an invitation to a conference
<yorickpeterse> and it's in Kiev too, hmmm
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<yorickpeterse> nice try Putin
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<ljarvis> classic putin
<yorickpeterse> unbearable
<ljarvis> in soviet russia, conference invite yorick
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<yorickpeterse> hey
<yorickpeterse> fuck you
<ljarvis> :D
<yorickpeterse> hm, seems it's all Rails focused
<yorickpeterse> "This year we are planning to gather leading web-developers to discuss one of the most efficient web-frameworks once again."
<yorickpeterse> wait that can't be Rails
<yorickpeterse> it says efficient
<ljarvis> i have the most smug look on my face even i want to punch me
<ljarvis> well, rails *is* efficient for building apps
<maloik> brilliant stuff
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<yorickpeterse> dat utm crap
<maloik> yes yes whatever
<ljarvis> dat dutch
<maloik> just watch the damn video :P
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: * Belgian
<yorickpeterse> very different
<maloik> there's no such thing as Belgian
<maloik> theoretically it could be Flemish, but in writing there's no distinction
<maloik> (as evidenced by the /nl in the url)
<yorickpeterse> maloik: it sounds pretty darn different
<ljarvis> that video could have been 10 seconds long
<yorickpeterse> plus choice of words is different
<yorickpeterse> plus Dutch is better
<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: lets just call them all what they are, 'not english'
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<toretore> "foreign"
<yorickpeterse> "peasants"
<maloik> you're right, we don't call "fries" "potato"
<yorickpeterse> Fries is silly too
<maloik> that's like calling a car "metal"
<ljarvis> i call them chips
<maloik> uh oh here we go... any americans in the room?
<maloik> (and on that note, im off!)
<maloik> cya
<ljarvis> toodles
<yorickpeterse> Hm, I do wonder how these folks found me
<yorickpeterse> besides #ruby-yorick-rage-lang I'm not that known
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<ljarvis> they followed the stench of hate?
<yorickpeterse> hey
<yorickpeterse> it smells like lotus flowers
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<ljarvis> wonderful
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<yorickpeterse> asked them how they found me
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<yorickpeterse> I swear to god if the answer actually is "You talk a lot"
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<yorickpeterse> https://twitter.com/ddfreyne/status/441237850403532800 ddfreyne is also going at it it seems
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<yorickpeterse> YES, everybody gone, time to play loud music
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<yorickpeterse> Hm then again that involves fiddling around with a Mac mini
<yorickpeterse> brrrrr
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<jtoy> what am I doing wrong with this regex? http://rubular.com/r/wh1vMAY1CK I want to match the string with just putting in the words "1 time physical", but I dont know how to deal with the middle
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<bougyman> well, \s+|\S+ means, literally, a space character or a non-space character, one or more.
<bougyman> oh, you did *, not +
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<bougyman> maybe you want http://rubular.com/r/wh1vMAY1CK ?
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<jtoy> bougyman: that looks the same as mine, but it doesnt match either
<bougyman> um, yes it does.
<bougyman> rubular is showing me the match
<bougyman> oh, i pasted you the wrong link
<bougyman> that
<jtoy> bougyman: yes, that will work, thanks
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<|jemc|> anyone have any tips/patterns to share for integration tests that check for memory 'growth' over time for my library that uses FFI to wrap some c calls and plays with some c pointers?
<|jemc|> I want to have some concrete feedback from the system that I'm using the right pointer management practices
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<yorickpeterse> |jemc|: as in, how to measure this?
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<yorickpeterse> http://vim.sexy/ what the fuck is this shit
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<centrx> "Vim not only runs on your OS X dev machine, but also on your Ubuntu Linux servers. This means you can crush code in production without sacrificing your editing experience."
<lianj> yorickpeterse: dudebro@javascript.ninja
<centrx> That page is awesome
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<yorickpeterse> meh, I'd say the amount of effort put in to it is rather low
<lianj> *crush code in production*
<yorickpeterse> wohoo, another bro-page joke, inc some misogynistic text
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<yorickpeterse> at least it takes a shit on Node and not Ruby for a change
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<apeiros> .sexy is a valid tld?!?
<apeiros> fuck
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<yorickpeterse> apparently
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<yorickpeterse> So yeah, I guess I now have 3 talks to prepare :<
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<PhatBaja> In this syntax, how can I skip the comma in the middle of the first value? => "param1=val,ue1,param2=value2".split(',')
<PhatBaja> I tried "param1=val\,ue1,param2=value2".split(',') but it didn't work
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<PhatBaja> Is there a special escape character or sequence I can add to the string so I can escape certain commas?
<centrx> PhatBaja, You might want to use a regex
<PhatBaja> centrx, you mean splitting the string using regex instead of simply .split(',') ?
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<centrx> PhatBaja, Really you want your input to be well defined
<centrx> PhatBaja, Yes, capture with regex
<|jemc|> yorickpeterse | |jemc|: as in, how to measure this?
<|jemc|> I know how to check memory usage, I was just trying to figure out some structure for setting up and running these kinds of tests
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<|jemc|> I was hoping there was some standard established pattern for addressing this kind of concern
<|jemc|> because I hope more people are concerned about this than just me :)
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<PhatBaja> centrx, something like this? "param1=val/,ue1,param2=value2".split(/,/)
<centrx> PhatBaja, that's the same thing
<PhatBaja> yeah - I noticed..
<centrx> Presumably the format is something like: .*=.*,
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<yorickpeterse> |jemc|: don't think there are
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<bougyman> hah, i found a way to do it, PhatBaja
<bougyman> regex gets hairy with nested bounds like that.
<bougyman> the one thing you always have is param
<bougyman> check out s.split("param")
<bougyman> => ["", "1=val,ue1,", "2=value2"]
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<PhatBaja> bougyman - good idea! however... its not always param
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<PhatBaja> it could be like this: ==> text1=hellothere,text2=hello,there,param3=stuff
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<PhatBaja> i need the comma in the value of text2 to be escaped
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<bougyman> ah, then you are screwed
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<bougyman> maybe s2.split(/(\w+=)/)
<bougyman> => ["", "text1=", "hellothere,", "text2=", "hello,there,", "param3=", "stuff"]
<bougyman> that help at all?
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<apeiros> >> "param1=val/,ue1,param2=value2".scan(/(?:\\.|[^,])+/)
<eval-in> apeiros => ["param1=val/", "ue1", "param2=value2"] (https://eval.in/113709)
<apeiros> >> "param1=val\\,ue1,param2=value2".scan(/(?:\\.|[^,])+/)
<eval-in> apeiros => ["param1=val\\,ue1", "param2=value2"] (https://eval.in/113710)
<apeiros> copied the wrong string first, sry :)
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<apeiros> >> "param1=val\\,ue1,param2=value2".scan(/(?:\\.|[^,])+/).map { |x| x.gsub(/\\(.)/, '\1') }
<eval-in> apeiros => ["param1=val,ue1", "param2=value2"] (https://eval.in/113711)
<apeiros> with unescaping also demonstrated.
<apeiros> @ bougyman, PhatBaja ^
<PhatBaja> hey that looks better!
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<PhatBaja> thank you apeiros!
<PhatBaja> and thanks bougyman for the effort
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<cored> is there a way for me to have something like an rspec double with minitest?
<matti> manveru: Are you in Munich?
<apeiros> cored: there are various test spy libraries
<apeiros> I used rr in the past
<apeiros> of course, you can just use plain ruby to create doubles. it's trivial enough for many cases.
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<cored> apeiros: I did not want to use that; with the convenience of double on rspec
<cored> apeiros: what I did was to set a new method expectation on my mock
<cored> at least that's helping to discover the API I want to see
<apeiros> "I did not want to use that" - what's "that"?
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<cored> use another library
<cored> he
<cored> I think I was talking to myself
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<centrx> Crazy!? I was crazy once! They locked me in a room. A rubber room. With rubber mice. And the worms? The worms drove me crazy. Crazy!? I was crazy once...
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<apeiros> feedback on https://github.com/apeiros/inherit/blob/master/lib/inherit.rb please (also asking on #ruby and twitter)
<centrx> Twitter!?
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<centrx> apeiros, Why does it have "module Inherit" (empty)?
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<apeiros> Inherit::Version in inherit/version.rb
<apeiros> definition and docs for Inherit go into inherit.rb, it's just prepared.
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<manveru> matti: about an hour away from it
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<joevandyk> I keep running into errors when running 'bundle install' on a large gemfile. https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/8836 looks relevant. "ulimit -s 20000" doesn't seem to work. i've had to start editing the Gemfile.lock's by hand. :( any suggestions?
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<joevandyk> or maybe i have to switch to 64 bit and put up with using twice as much memory per ruby process :(
<gnufied> joevandyk: your ruby crashes?
<joevandyk> gnufied: yup
<gnufied> joevandyk: try upgrading bundler.
<gnufied> which version you are running?
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<gnufied> try one of the latest pre-releases
<gnufied> the algorithm has been changed from recursive to iterative recently
<gnufied> so that problem should not happen
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<joevandyk> gnufied: ah, great, i'll try it
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<joevandyk> i'm running 1.3.5
<gnufied> yeah try, 1.6 pres
<joevandyk> woohoo, i'm excited. this was driving me nuts
<gnufied> there is a 1.6.0-rc
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<joevandyk> gnufied: YES, thanks.
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<gnufied> your problem is solved?
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<joevandyk> indeed
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<yorickpeterse> Hmpf, I hate recursion guards
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<yorickpeterse> I need to refactor all the things
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<matti> manveru: I am in Munich tomorrow and Friday. If so happen that you want to mee...
<matti> manveru: Dinner on me ;]
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<yorickpeterse> gah ARGF
<yorickpeterse> y u such a shitty object
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