apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: RIP Jim || Ruby 2.1.1; 2.0.0-p451; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<epitron> yorickpeterse: i discovered that if you write the same thing with both hands at once, it makes it a lot easier
<epitron> especially if you write backwards with one hand
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<epitron> you can use the coordinated hand to teach the sloppy hand
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<Senjai> centrx: DO is just fine for any non commercial projects
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<Senjai> centrx: Or small non-web business. Like a site for a coffee shop.
<centrx> Thanks
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<centrx> Senjai, Do you have a personal site I can copy the format of?
<Senjai> centrx: How do you mean format?
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<centrx> Senjai, HTML
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<Senjai> What does that have to do with hosting?
<Senjai> Just use a bootstrap example site.
<centrx> It is all related to me creating a brilliant new personal website
<centrx> I can't use Bootstrap, because they use Javascript without semicolons.
<centrx> It is a moral and technical principle.
<Senjai> Then use zurb, or skeleton, or create your own
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<Senjai> Are you using rails for your personal website?
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<centrx> Unlikely, it will be static
<centrx> Probably Jekyll or something like that
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<Senjai> Yea, if you are not doing something like me there is no reason to use a framework like rails
<Senjai> centrx: You can host it off of github
<Senjai> you don't need osting
<centrx> I need to make a big splash
<Senjai> Huh?
<Senjai> Like, are you looking for a job or something/
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<Senjai> If its a personal website, whats the point of a big splash? :P
<centrx> I am going to be the next President of the United States
<Senjai> Ah
<centrx> Because I am an important person
<Senjai> okay
<Senjai> In that case, github might not be the best option
<Senjai> Though you'll get extra votes from open sourcers..
<Senjai> tough to say
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<centrx> Can I use a custom URL referring to the github hosted site?
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<pipework> centrx: 'custom url'?
<pipework> centrx: You can.
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<Senjai> Yes
<Senjai> Just point your dns to where github is hosting it
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<ruby-lang519> can anyone tell me why this code doesnt work
<ruby-lang519> print "what?" user_input= gets.chomp user_input = user_input.downcase! if user_input.include? "s" print "contains an s" else print "no s found" end
<ruby-lang519> im trying to do code academy but it states that i have an error with my .include! method
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<ruby-lang519> name jarg
<ruby-lang519> damn forgot how to change name lo
<ruby-lang519> anyone here?
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<jarg> there we go
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<jarg7> anyone here that can help me with a simple line of code
<jarg7> trying to figure out why my little codes nont working
<jarg7> print "what?" user_input= gets.chomp user_input = user_input.downcase! if user_input.include? "s" print "contains an s" else print "no s found" end
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<maloik> gist that please jarib
<maloik> oops sorry
<maloik> wrong person
<maloik> other one has left :(
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<ljarvis> moin
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<maloik> o/
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<yorickpeterse> morning (¯ε¯ )
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<ljarvis> bah
<ljarvis> now we have to wait forever for 2.1.2
<yorickpeterse> Yeah but good thing this will be a feature in 2.2!!!
<yorickpeterse> Because fuck semantic versioning
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: I'm compiling your favourite database right now :(
<yorickpeterse> Running from source won't save your soul
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: I'm investigating a logging app that uses it
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<yorickpeterse> what, graylog?
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<yorickpeterse> Doesn't that use ElasticSearch too?
<workmad3> yeah
<yorickpeterse> then what do you need Mongo for?
<yorickpeterse> Also, I need some lane pun name for it, something like BongheadDB
<workmad3> graylog uses both mongo and ES
<workmad3> not one or the other
<yorickpeterse> wat
<workmad3> ES for full text indexing to provide decent search and query, and mongo for (laughably) persistence, I believe
<yorickpeterse> ha, persistence
<yorickpeterse> Really Mongo is no more stable than ElasticSearch in that regard but I'll blame that on marketing
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<workmad3> :)
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<yorickpeterse> awww sheee, I think 3 years into the existence of our scraper codebase I can finally start testing the remaining 70% of it
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<yorickpeterse> It feels very much like Don Quixote that it took, 6 months?
<yorickpeterse> but slowly bit by bit becomes testable
<yorickpeterse> but oh god the fixtures
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<yorickpeterse> inb4 rspec mocks blabla, shit doesn't work for this
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: so did you end up implementing your own html parser?
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<yorickpeterse> apeiros: working on it
<yorickpeterse> For now we'll continue using Nokogiri
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<yorickpeterse> apeiros: https://github.com/yorickpeterse/oga party going on here
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<abstr4ct> using ruby 1.9.3 im using Time.now.strftime("%A") to calulate today in the format i need, i want to calculate tomorrow in same format but all examples use the "tomorrow" method which it says isnt valid when i try it. any ideas?
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<maloik> rails has a tomorrow helper method, perhaps you're confusing it with that
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<abstr4ct> yes, much of my search brings up rails...
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<robmiller> >> (Time.now + 86400).strftime("%A")
<eval-in> robmiller => "Wednesday" (https://eval.in/118131)
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<robmiller> Date has the shovel operator for "+n months" (since + is for adding days). I wish Time had the same for days, since + is for seconds
<robmiller> i guess it would be hours anyway
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<abstr4ct> robmiller, i thought about that, but wont that be inconstitant with actual time/dates part way through the day?
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<abstr4ct> err, no i thinkk that will work..
<robmiller> so long as you only care about accuracy to the day level it will work
<robmiller> i.e. it will always return "tomorrow", but will return different times through tomorrow
<abstr4ct> yes, i see that now.. sorry im slow pre coffee
<robmiller> if you want to factor time in as well, that's usually the point that i give up and reach for chronic: https://github.com/mojombo/chronic
<robmiller> Chronic.parse("tomorrow 2pm")
<robmiller> etc.
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<robmiller> i find chronic is typically much better at revealing intentions than a load of hardcoded 3600s and 86400s and 604800s and stuff
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: thanks
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<yorickpeterse> helped co-worker with code stuff, took 90 minutes
<yorickpeterse> spent 60 minutes talking about non code stuff
<yorickpeterse> I talk too much :<
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<apeiros> :)
<yorickpeterse> Good thing I put that in my RubyC bio
<yorickpeterse> "[...] Some say I talk too much, this is not entirely untrue"
<apeiros> it is partially untrue?
<yorickpeterse> well "much" is relative to what one is used to
<yorickpeterse> also lol Emails borken because of a stupid UTF8 emoji in it
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<maloik> who says that you talk a lot? fellow dutchies ?
<surrounder> yay dutchies
<yorickpeterse> maloik: this channel for one :P
<maloik> well that's different, I just thought you had nothing better to do
<maloik> :P
<maloik> but if they say you talk a lot IRL too... and the people saying so are dutch themselves... then yea you must talk a LOT :D
<maloik> seeing as dutch people tend to talk a lot as it is
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<surrounder> not really ;)
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<maloik> compared to belgians? I'd say so..
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<maloik> you know what sucks about developing an app you don't really use yourself? having to tell your colleagues (who do) you have no idea if something is possible or how something is done
<maloik> esp considering we've spent the last 2 months on implementing a redesign
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<yorickpeterse> eat your own dog food
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<maloik> kind of hard to keep track of everything considering what we can do with this thing
<maloik> not to mention everything is all over the place (which caused us to get it redesigned in the first place)
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<maloik> whitespace is very important
<maloik> remember kids
<maloik> any design book will tell you that
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<cored> I'm having a class loading issue; a weird one. I have a new module which happens to have another module inside in lib for a Rails app; something like this Social::Twitter:: and in a controller it gets loads ok the classes inside those modules but in another controller with something like Social::LinkedIn:: I get an unitialized constant error
<cored> which is weird; btw I have the lib directory in the autoload_paths
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<momomomomo> cored: where is your code
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<cored> momomomomo: you mean you want to see the actual code or where is it in the direectory structure?
<momomomomo> cooooode
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<cored> momomomomo: wait
<momomomomo> where you're requiring the social module
<momomomomo> etc
<momomomomo> dude
<cored> that's the test where I first make a reference to that particular module?
<momomomomo> add these files: Your 'social.rb' or whatever it is, and wherever it is that you include the module
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<cored> momomomomo: done; updated
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<momomomomo> and the error is...?
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<momomomomo> paste the whole error
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<cored> momomomomo: done
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<momomomomo> sorry friend give me a few i'm in a meeting
<cored> sure
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<ljarvis> cored: you need to name the folder linked_in
<ljarvis> to autoload
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<cored> ljarvis: is that because of the I
<ljarvis> or rename the constant
<cored> ?
<ljarvis> yes
<cored> ok
<cored> thanks
<ljarvis> just like you did with your LinkedinController
<ljarvis> AuthController w/e
<cored> it worked
<cored> cool
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: HEY REMEMBER ENCODINGS?
<yorickpeterse> IN RUBY 1.8?
<yorickpeterse> FUCK THOSE
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: I deleted encodings from my memory... 1.8 is gone and good riddance to that sucker :D
<rue_XIW> What’s a encoding?
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<yorickpeterse> yeah I still have one app in 1.8
<yorickpeterse> it also sends Emails...which include Tweets...which happen to now have some stupid UTF8 Emoji in them
<yorickpeterse> which apparently silently breaks shit
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<yorickpeterse> Ha I forgot how shit Iconv was
<yorickpeterse> ._.
<workmad3> mmm, emoji :D
<workmad3> the best way to tell someone they're shit using only 2 bytes!
<yorickpeterse> why the fuck did the Unicode org put that shit in Unicode to begin with
<yorickpeterse> I mean, WHY IS THIS HERE http://codepoints.net/U+1F4A9
<maloik> emojis are awesome
<maloik> what are you on about
<yorickpeterse> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
<maloik> also my irssi cant display that
<maloik> :(
<yorickpeterse> They are, but not when you're dealing with something that can't handle UTF8
<yorickpeterse> Get a better client you scrub
<yorickpeterse> ( ¯3¯)
<apeiros> +1
* yorickpeterse has an emoji plugin for Weechat
<yorickpeterse> it even has
<yorickpeterse>
<apeiros> and/or get a font which is halfway complete. e.g. the free deja-vu
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<yorickpeterse> There:
<yorickpeterse> Iconv.conv('ASCII//IGNORE', 'UTF-8', content)
<yorickpeterse> Best fix
<yorickpeterse> ship it
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<cored> maloik: what?
<maloik> what what ?
<cored> yorickpeterse: the problem is not his client the problem is his terminal
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<cored> I can see what you paste there and I'm using irssi
<cored> also probably his font
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<cored> maloik: I was refering to the irc client not supporting unicode comment
<maloik> client, terminal, font, fuck if I know what it is :-)
<maloik> I don't need it
<cored> yeiii!!!
<cored> that's what I want to hear
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<cored> yorickpeterse: you are not the only one; now there's maloik
<maloik> you're talking in riddles
<maloik> only what ?
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<yorickpeterse> cored: irssi ~ terminal in his case since it runs in inside it
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<yorickpeterse> Also, you being able to see it doesn't mean his Irssi setup is working too
<yorickpeterse> that's literally like saying "works on my box, must work on production too"
<yorickpeterse> but yes, get a better everything :)
<maloik> I like my client just fine
<maloik> it displays text, what more does it need
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: my box IS production!!!
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<yorickpeterse> maloik: Unicode poops of course
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<maloik> true
<workmad3>
<maloik> but then again, irc doesn't have gifs, so what's the point
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<yorickpeterse> (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) it sure does
<yorickpeterse> well not gifs
<yorickpeterse> thank god
<yorickpeterse> Thank god coloring is also turned off
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: colouring depends on your unicode font, I believe
<cored> yorickpeterse: also what workmad3
<cored> said
<yorickpeterse> I mean IRC coloring
<yorickpeterse> which doesn't depend on the font, but on the +c option or w/e it was
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: ah :)
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<cored> yorickpeterse: I need more emoji
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: you mean I can't create a row of
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: or even a row that flash around a different cycle of colours each? :(
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<yorickpeterse> oh no, that's not possible
<yorickpeterse> only static colours
<yorickpeterse> cored: you might want to get rid some of the penis emoji in there
<cored> yorickpeterse: now I think I should upgrade to weechat instead of using irssi
<cored> yorickpeterse: why sometimes that's useful
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<yorickpeterse> neat, test:actual code ratio is 3.0
<yorickpeterse> mixin with 11 lines of actual code, test is 34 lines of code
<yorickpeterse> granted half of that is the setup for the mixin
<yorickpeterse> it's a method that runs a block once
<yorickpeterse> an actual feature that I need
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<darix> cored: why?
<darix> cored: what are you missing in irssi?
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<_rgn> weechat is better
<apeiros> fleechat is the bestest!
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<fraterlaetus> ahh
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<cored> darix: sorry wasn't here
<cored> darix: I have an approbal seeker clinic problem; and I want to yorickpeterse to love me; that's why I want to switch to weechat
<cored> not that I'm missing anything from irssi
<yorickpeterse> a what?
<cored> yorickpeterse: is not sexual related; don't worry
<darix> cored: he is wrong often enough. :p dont follow him on the wrong path
<yorickpeterse> darix: I am always correct
<yorickpeterse> I never make mistakes
<cored> darix: I think he is always correct and that he never make mistakes
<yorickpeterse> also trying to seek my approval is pretty fucking creepy
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<cored> I spend most nights just reading on what he says in here throught the channel bot log
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<yorickpeterse> must be a lot
<cored> yorickpeterse: yes, like till 3:00 AM in the morning
<cored> is there a way for doing smoething like rspec's .should_receive but with minitest
<cored> ?
<cored> but to an actual defined object by me; it's seems I can set expectations but with minitest own mock objects
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<yorickpeterse> I would seriously recommend not reading my ramblings as if it were a good book
<yorickpeterse> that stuff is toxic yo
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<cored> yorickpeterse: well, there is a lot of knowledge in there
<darix> so you pollute the environment with toxic stuff?:p
<cored> Encoding hate
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<yorickpeterse> darix: yes but I also clean up after myself
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<yorickpeterse> But ugh, I really for one should write proper article^H^H^H^Hessays because I do have some topics that I think are genuinely interesting
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<cored> yorickpeterse: like what?
<yorickpeterse> Well, both are pretty much super abstract ideas at this point but one would be about testing the right-but-not-matra-way, the other one would be an article on teaching programming the non dumb way
<yorickpeterse> But in both cases I'll need to do some serious research/thinking first before I even think about publishing it
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<yorickpeterse> s/matra/mantra
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<cored> which is the mantra way ?
<cored> this one?
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<yorickpeterse> No, sec
<yorickpeterse> One case is mocking in rspec (or any other testing framework for that matter). The problem with this is that to do it effectively you have to basically shove your foot down the butt of your codebase, mess with its internals, and then test that [...]
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<yorickpeterse> One might say "OOOOOH THAT'S SUPER NASTY" but at the same time it's not too uncommon
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<yorickpeterse> plus it's rather tempting to do
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<yorickpeterse> More importantly, people will have you believe that mocks are *THE* way to go, leading to the mantra bit
<yorickpeterse> Having said all that, explaining this properly takes much more examples and background info so take the above with a grain of salt
<yorickpeterse> tl;dr in that particular snippet you're testing the internal workings of a method, *not* it's behaviour
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<yorickpeterse> which is the direct opposite of what you should be doing in BDD
<cored> well, my example was a mess I just fix it
<yorickpeterse> Another example: http://betterspecs.org/#factories
<yorickpeterse> ^ that statement is pure bullshit in its best form
<yorickpeterse> "FIXTURES ARE BAD USE FACTORIES. PERIOD"
<yorickpeterse> Factories have their uses, but fixtures are genuinely better in certain cases
<yorickpeterse> Yet there's this fad/trend/whatever you'd call it that's all about black and white. That is, either you use factories or you're dumb
<yorickpeterse> there's no "Oh hm perhaps it makes sense here to do it differently"
<yorickpeterse> An example, for our scrapers I'm finally making progress on testing the god damn things (after 3 years, currently at ~30% actual code coverage). I'm setting up a fixture based system because factories/mocks would complicate things by a factor 100
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<yorickpeterse> More importantly, we're *actually* testing HTML scraping so fixtures are useful there. For example, if we want to test a new layout we just re-generate the fixture (single command), run tests, done
<yorickpeterse> With factories/mocks you'll have a field day updating those bastards
<yorickpeterse> so tl;dr as usual the answer is "it depends"
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<yorickpeterse> http://betterspecs.org/#should this is also total bullshit
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<yorickpeterse> A perfectly fine way is replaced by something that requires more typing and literally gains you absolutely nothing
<centrx> Use MiniTest!
<yorickpeterse> Actually I still need to look into it
<yorickpeterse> but I'm not really sure what it would gain me
<yorickpeterse> or the 50 or so projects I deal with running on rspec
<cored> well normally I use rspec and I follow the one assertion per should statement
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<cored> but at my current job they were using test/unit even when we are using Ruby 2.0 so I just started using minitest
<cored> it doesn't feel weird at all it's reminds me my days of using jUnit but without all the code
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<yorickpeterse> meh, I don't care too much about TDD vs BDD and the underlying tools
<yorickpeterse> the end goal is still the same
<yorickpeterse> either way, it's more the mindset of some that bothers me about this
<centrx> Minitest is more concise and straightforward without a whole separate DSL
<centrx> Rspec has features are never used by 95%
<cored> I would love some colors with minitest
<cored> :-)
<yorickpeterse> cored: minitest/pride
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<yorickpeterse> Regarding the teaching, that's a much longer topic
<yorickpeterse> but tl;dr although I have no facts to back things up (yet) I believe that the traditional ways of teaching programming are super broken. I also think services like CodeAcademy and w/e that start with mathematics are beyond dumb.
<yorickpeterse> "HEY YOU WANTED TO LEARN CODING? WELL ENJOY USING JAVASCRIPT TO CALCULATE PI IN 15 DECIMALS USING A COSINUS"
<yorickpeterse> One idea I have is to instead teach pattern recognition and other basic concepts used in programming, e.g. using art
<yorickpeterse> but this is the part where I need to first see if that would actually help at all
<yorickpeterse> Actually Zed Shaw's work in this area is quite interesting
<Nilium> I say give everyone Visual Basic and see if that filters the runts out of the litter
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<centrx> Zed Shaw is a ghetto.
<yorickpeterse> Part because of his character, but also because there's quite a bit of truth in his ways
<yorickpeterse> heh, having met him he's an amazing dude
<yorickpeterse> e.g. his learn code the hard way books are a step in the right direction
<yorickpeterse> But yeah, I need to theorize about this more soon, once I actually have the time for it
<cored> yorickpeterse: agree with you on Zed's way
<yorickpeterse> I think the fundamental problem is two-fold at the moment: 1) out of date material in high schools and such 2) teachers who think their students are at the teacher's level
<yorickpeterse> it's also in the little details
<yorickpeterse> e.g. "Oooh you can just do that by running X, Y, Z. It's super easy" <- best way to demotivate a student
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<cored> yorickpeterse: I sense some pain from your words
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<yorickpeterse> I don't like the arrogance some developers have in this area, though in a lot of cases it's also because a dev can no longer remember their own struggles
<yorickpeterse> e.g. I can't really remember how I first started 10 or so years ago
<yorickpeterse> So it's hard to tell others what I did to overcome early challenges
<yorickpeterse> But at least I try not to dismiss students/newbies as "lol dumbass"
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<cored> wow
<cored> I don't think that's related to developers in particular but insecurities in human beens in general
<yorickpeterse> True, it's not unique to programming
<cored> which reminds I have to finish my talk regarding vim for the Ruby user group ;-)
<yorickpeterse> However, IT in general is an industry in which people help each other
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<cored> it should help each other you mean
<cored> because normally what they do is stab each other
<yorickpeterse> well they do both really
<cored> at least down here where I live
<yorickpeterse> Plus of course there are also the self proclaimed rockstar douchebags and what not
<cored> it's seems that there are a lot of people just trying to fuck others up and there's the elite squad which thinks they knows it all; and normally they don't know even the easiest things
<cored> which is actually sad
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<toretore> usually, those who know the most are the ones who say the least, and vice versa
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<ratmav> anyone have pointers on how to read udp packets from a binary file?
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