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<danielvdotcom> greetings! is ruby pony still a great valid option for email?
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<steveklabnik> totes
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<ryanf> hey steveklabnik, I'm not sure I follow your view_context change in draper
<ryanf> are you trying to call the view_context that's an instance method of that module?
<steveklabnik> ryanf: hey!
<steveklabnik> okay
<steveklabnik> so
<steveklabnik> view_context is a method provided by rails
<ryanf> yes, but you are trying to call it from a singleton method of the Draper::ViewContext module
<steveklabnik> uhhhh
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* steveklabnik looks EXACTLY at the code
<steveklabnik> so
<steveklabnik> tha tmodule gets mixed into ApplicationController
<steveklabnik> it's then an instance method
<ryanf> no
<ryanf> nothing happens to singleton methods when you mix in the module
<ryanf> I'm talking about the current method
<steveklabnik> sure, i should say 'acts like' or something
<steveklabnik> oh, sorry
<steveklabnik> uhhh yes
<steveklabnik> i fucked up
<steveklabnik> is the answer
<steveklabnik> right.
<steveklabnik> good call.
<ryanf> :)
<steveklabnik> :)
<steveklabnik> do you want to submit a fix so that I can give you credit?
<steveklabnik> :[
<ryanf> sure, I'm not sure what it should be though. do you want to just do ApplicationController.new.view_context there instead?
<steveklabnik> i should remember that we dont have good enough test coverage to just be like 'tests pass lol'
<ryanf> I think I would slightly prefer to do it from the #helper/#h method instead, but I'm not sure I can support that
<steveklabnik> self.new.view_context
<ryanf> except that it seems simpler to keep current as a pure getter/setter
<ryanf> nah, there's no self involved. those methods will never belong to anything other than Draper::ViewContext, so you don't really know what controller you're working with
<ryanf> although you could add a hook
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<steveklabnik> silly metaprogramming
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<steveklabnik> i have to draw a physical diagram when i do this stuff
<ryanf> but that won't work well in the most common case, which is mixing it into ActionController::Base, so I think we're stuck assuming that it's ApplicationControlle
<ryanf> r
<ryanf> yeah, easy to get tripped up
<ryanf> anyway it's a pretty unimportant mistake, because it will only break in cases where it already would have broken
<steveklabnik> right
<steveklabnik> that's also sorta why I was like 'sure' and cowboy'd it
<steveklabnik> :[
<ryanf> how would you feel about adding a config option to draper for which class to get the default view_context from?
<ryanf> so it could default to ApplicationController
<ryanf> but if that doesn't make sense in some specific case, it could be changed
<steveklabnik> i wouldn't be terribly opposed in theory.
<steveklabnik> something else i'm gonna try to do
<steveklabnik> is get this in: https://github.com/jcasimir/draper/issues/235
<steveklabnik> dunno if you saw that
<steveklabnik> any thoughts?
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<ryanf> oh
<ryanf> I've never used the enumerable thing, so not really
<steveklabnik> roger.
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<steveklabnik> i gotta figure out if/how i can test it
<ryanf> I think you should probably add a rails test app
<steveklabnik> that makes sense.
<ryanf> stuff like this where it's a question of managing rails' behavior is going to be impossible to test in isolation
<steveklabnik> test it like an engine
<ryanf> yeah
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<ryanf> this might not suffice for draper, but for pry-rails there is a rake task that generates a test app and then modifies it to add the necessary stuff, to avoid tracking an entire app
<ryanf> might be simpler just to generate and track the app for draper though
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<steveklabnik> yeah
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<matju> with Time.new.strftime "%b", is it possible to get it localised ? my locale is recognised by bash, but Ruby still prints «Aug» instead of «Aoû»
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<steveklabnik> soooo in theory
<steveklabnik> there's the i18n gem too
<steveklabnik> I18n.locale = :de; I18n.l Time.now
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<ryanf> pr?
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<steveklabnik> is it a good idea to have the method name 'default'?
<steveklabnik> i guess it's a singleton method
<ryanf> hmm, what's wrong with that?
<steveklabnik> it's so general i worry about stepping on other methods
<steveklabnik> looks good
<ryanf> oh yeah if it were for mixing in, definitely
<steveklabnik> totally, send it over and i'll merge
<ryanf> ok cool
<ryanf> I haven't actually checked it against a real spec, but it definitely should work. I'll do it after opening the pull
<ryanf> the real fun part would be getting draper's test integration fully tested :)
<steveklabnik> heh
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<ryanf> wait
<ryanf> hmm
<ryanf> I think making that a thread local was a bad idea
<ryanf> I was just cargo culting the other one, but I think that means the default will only be initialized in the thread that loads draper
<ryanf> ffff
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<ryanf> have to go do laundry, will think about it later
<ryanf> don't merge anything just yet
<steveklabnik> word
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<erikh> HELLO INTERNET
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<erikh> I BRING GIFTS OF SCOTCH AND ARGUMENTATIVE DEMEANORS
<erikh> steveklabnik: I didn't want to get into it in detail over the twooter, but how would you design a federated github?
<erikh> my thought would be that github is kind of an aggregator and less of a repository
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<erikh> e.g., you list your repos with it which may or may not live on github (so's they can still make money), and they can just pull the repos down
<erikh> anyhow, best of luck with your idea.
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<banisterfiend> erikh: sounds like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohloh ?
<erikh> ohloh is more like an xbox achievement system
<erikh> I'm thinking something that does everything github does right now, only pull based (from github's perspective) than push
<erikh> pull reqs can still live on github, for example, and they're still the facilitator of that, or maybe they integrate with git-am
<erikh> dunno. I'm merely brainstorming, I don't have the time to start a new project atm.
<erikh> s/brainstorming/drunk/
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<banisterfiend> erikh: hey we did a little project recently that lets you wrap pieces of code so that every exception (even C exceptions) are caught and drops you into the console at the failsite
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<erikh> neat
<erikh> define 'c exceptions'
<erikh> you mean like EINTR and pals?
<banisterfiend> erikh: oh i mean exceptions raised by the runtime itself, like: def hello(a, b); end; hello(1)
<banisterfiend> ArgumentErrors, 1/0 errors, NameErrors etc
<ryanf_> exceptions raised from c code in general
<erikh> ah so ruby exceptions
<ryanf_> banisterfiend: is that only rb_raise? are there other ways for exceptions to happen?
<erikh> rb_raise
<ryanf_> or is it literally any exception
<banisterfiend> ryanf_: it's everything as we now use rb_event_hook to trap them, rather than overriding raise
<banisterfiend> and rb_raise
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<ryanf_> oh cool
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<erikh> lalalallalalala
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<rue> Tweedledoo
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<erikh> lalalalallalaa
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<bnagy> smurfs theme?
<erikh> if you choke a smurf what color does it turn?
<bnagy> smurf?
<erikh> you win at the internet
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<bnagy> and it's only just lunchtime
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<ryanf> I'll do a pull tomorrow night probably, can't really be bothered writing it up right now
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<ryanf> or you could merge it before then if you feel like it
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<certainty> moin
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<Silex> I have two rake tasks with a function with the same name
<Silex> in one rake task, when I call the function it tries to call the function defined in the other rake task!
<Silex> both tasks are namespaced
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<banisterfiend> Silex: provide c0d3
<Silex> banisterfiend: incoming, in the meantime here is the behavior: http://codepad.org/Lr0wJW9K
<Silex> you see "colibri" tries to call into "trial", and here's the code:
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<yorickpeterse> How are you calling the task? Rake::Task['namespace:task'].invoke should do it
<Silex> rake colibri:import
<Silex> from the comamnd line
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<yorickpeterse> yeah what you're doing won't work
<Silex> why?
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<yorickpeterse> The second import_tags will overwrite the first one if I'm not mistaken
<banisterfiend> Silex: i dont think methods are unique to the namespace
<Silex> that's pretty weird
<yorickpeterse> No, it makes sense
<Silex> I'm invoking colibri:import, why does it load trial:import at all?
<yorickpeterse> namespaces themselves are evaluated when loading Rake, so are tasks up to a certain point (except for actual execution)
<Silex> anyway, so rake tasks functions names must be unique? wtf
<yorickpeterse> Anything defined in a namespace itself will be executed when loaded
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<banisterfiend> i dont know where the method is ending up actually
<Silex> import_tags makes perfect sense for both tasks
<banisterfiend> probably on a weird internal object
<Silex> I guess I'll have to namespace them like in C
<Silex> colibri_import_tags, trial_import_tags
<yorickpeterse> Or you know, just use modules?
<yorickpeterse> or unique method names
<Silex> I guess module it is, but if I include that module I'll have the same problem no?
<yorickpeterse> Also, defining a task merely to call a method is somewhat redundant
<Silex> oh wait not, I include it in the execution task
<Silex> and I'm ok
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<Silex> yorickpeterse: of course teh real case is much more complex, I just made a testecase for you
<Silex> I have like 10 of such functions in each file
<banisterfiend> Silex: the 'self' inside the namespace is just 'main
<Silex> anyway, I'd find my way out. Thanks!
<yorickpeterse> np
<Silex> banisterfiend: still surprised the trial task is loaded when I invoke the colibri one
<banisterfiend> Silex: it's just executed as ruby code
<banisterfiend> Silex: the whole Rakefile is passed through ruby, it sets everything up. Or were you thinking the task would be have its block lazily evaluated?
<banisterfiend> the namespace*
<banisterfiend> would have its*
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<banisterfiend> Silex: anyway: https://gist.github.com/3338513
<Silex> banisterfiend: it makes sense when you think about it, it was just unexpected
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<sheldonh> i vacilate terribly about including my .rvmrc in my github repos
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<workmad3> sheldonh: I believe rvm now also pays attention to .ruby-version files, which are more appropriate for inclusion into your repo :)
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<banisterfiend`> i find .rvmrc files annoying
<workmad3> sheldonh: although rbenv has yet to start using .ruby-version files
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<banisterfiend`> workmad3: what's up dave
<workmad3> banisterfiend`: just running tests
<banisterfiend`> workmad3: did u see our latest burst of magic? https://github.com/conradirwin/pry-capture
<banisterfiend`> workmad3: oh ok
<workmad3> and getting around annoying issues :)
<workmad3> getting quite annoyed with selenium in this latest project (and it's the only web driver that has been consistently able to run our tests, despite annoyances)
<workmad3> and I'm still getting used to normal pry, let alone fancy, magic extensions :D
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<banisterfiend`> workmad3: oh hehe :)
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<sheldonh> workmad3: selenium for acceptance tests, or for integration tests that prove basic correctness? *efg*
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<workmad3> sheldonh: acceptance tests... very heavy JS dependency
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<sheldonh> workmad3: so jasmine for unit and then just a sprinkling of acceptance tests?
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<workmad3> sheldonh: we've got quite a few acceptance tests, which is where part of the annoyance comes in, but also yes jasmine for JS unit and rspec for ruby unit
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<apeiros_> ah lovely… httpclient does not expand no_proxy wildcards :(
<andrewvos> apeiros_: HTTParty
<andrewvos> apeiros_: Oh wait. I thought you said "rest-client"
<andrewvos> "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"
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<dreamhawk> Hellu :), Quick question, i am a noob at ruby, and i am looking for a way to "re-execute" the script, or class, or something... All i want to do is like "Try again? Y/n" - if foo == 'Y' restart script.
<andrewvos> dreamhawk: if STDIN.getch.downcase == "y"
<andrewvos> dreamhawk: Might work
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<andrewvos> Put the actual execution part of your script in a loop maybe.
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<andrewvos> while STDIN.getch.downcase == "y"
<andrewvos> Wait is that how a while loop looks in ruby? It's been a while.
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<bnagy> loop dp; #stuff; print "Try again? "; break unless gets.chomp=~/y.*/i
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<apeiros_> andrewvos: httpclient so far is the only one doing ntlm auth properly
<apeiros_> and yeah, fuck MSFT for ntlm, seriously
* apeiros_ wants to go to redmond and punch faces
* apeiros_ hands bnagy an anchor: \A
<bnagy> good point, cause they might type "Nay, good calculating automaton, for I am spent"
<apeiros_> yepp
<apeiros_> nay!
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<sheldonh> andrewvos: or... Better to open your mouth and have your folly corrected, than to keep it closed and remain a fool. :)
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<workmad3> andrewvos: also, the quote is, iirc, 'Better to stay silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt' (which is slightly more poetic and it plays on the almost rhyming nature of mouth and doubt) :P
<andrewvos> TIL
<bnagy> 3 sources or you're just making it up
<workmad3> bnagy: most of the crap I say is stuff I've just made up... why stop now? :)
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<dreamhawk> andrewvos: yes, but, how do i get the script to start from line 1 again?
<dreamhawk> since ruby is a "simple" language, i thought there was an easy way to reexecute it without exiting it :)
<bnagy> try GOTO 10
<bnagy> dreamhawk: that what wrapping the whole thing in a loop does
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<bnagy> you can also use retry and redo in some cases, but not here
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<sheldonh> dreamhawk: i would be vareful about thinking of ruby as a simple language :)
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<banisterfiend> dreamhawk: require 'continuation'; c = nil; callcc { |cc| c = cc }; puts "hi!!!"; c.call
<charliesome> continuations are dark and evil things
<banisterfiend> yeah i got segfaults using them the other day
<banisterfiend> but u can do some sexy stuff too
<banisterfiend> like recover from exceptions even after the stack has unwound
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<judofyr> yeah, that's a neat trick :)
<banisterfiend> judofyr: yours i think :)
<judofyr> oh, that's right
<judofyr> \o/
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<rolfb> \o/
<charliesome> so what's the difference between #ruby and #ruby-lang ?
<apeiros_> -lang
<charliesome> i take it this channel focuses more on the language itself?
<apeiros_> or 5
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<rue> charliesome: No, this is the official IRC channel (see http://ruby-lang.org)
<sheldonh> charliesome: us and them ;)
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<charliesome> so i found what appears to be a bug in mri the other day
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<charliesome> i could probably fix it myself, but what's the best way to go about sending that patch back?
<judofyr> charliesome: first: open a ticket at http://bugs.ruby-lang.org/
<charliesome> then attach a .patch?
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<bnagy> or first ask here, _then_ open a ticket
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<charliesome> 'c = Class.allocate; c.send :initialize, c' infinite loops
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<judofyr> charliesome: ehm, you're trying to inherit a class from itself?
<charliesome> judofyr: yeah
<charliesome> shouldn't be possible
<judofyr> well, because of the infinite loop it isn't possible today ;)
<charliesome> haha
<charliesome> i reckon it should throw a type error instead
<judofyr> charliesome: what Ruby version? it works fine here…
<charliesome> 1.9.3-p194
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<charliesome> judofyr: are you on trunk?
<judofyr> oh, nevermind. for some reason I was in a 1.8.7-shell
<judofyr> silly me
<charliesome> ah
<judofyr> nah, I'm usually in latest 1.9.3
<charliesome> so should i go ahead and file a bug, then submit a patch on the ticket?
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<charliesome> ..also what's the deal with tabs/spaces in ruby's source?
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<judofyr> BSD KNF style
<charliesome> ew
<judofyr> I know
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<charliesome> is a good old 'git diff' suitable?
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<enricostn> hi, how could I compile Vim including Ruby support having Ruby already installed via RVM on ArchLinux? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=146181
<enricostn> but when I set --with-ruby-command=/home/enrico/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.3-p194/bin/ruby make still ask me to install ruby from repos
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<judofyr> enricostn: as for makepkg asking you to install Ruby too, there's a DEPENDENCY-setting in the PKGBUILD
<judofyr> or something
<judofyr> REQUIREMENTS
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<judofyr> enricostn: depends. remove ruby from that list.
<enricostn> judofyr: do you mean --enable-rubyinterpr ?
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<enricostn> should I remove --enable-rubyinterpr and leave only --with-ruby-command=/home/enrico/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.3-p194/bin/ruby ?
<judofyr> enricostn: notice that "ruby" is inside the makedepends-array
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<judofyr> in the PKGBUILD
<judofyr> remove ruby from there and it won't be installed by makepkg
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<enricostn> judofyr: I get it!!! thank you!
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<enricostn> judofyr: now I could install vim-ruby package
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<sheldonh> BSD KNF... sheesh, talk about legacy thinking
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<FriedBob> I've seen somethings that suggest it, but can someone confirm that rdoc can take multiple exclude arguments? Or if it can't, tell me how I can specify multiple exclude paths/patterns from a single --exclude? Thanks
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<yorickpeterse> When you have a for loop such as `for number in [10, 20, 30]; ....; end`, what would you call the "number" segment and the "in ..." segment?
<yorickpeterse> As in, is the former just called "variables" or something else
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<yorickpeterse> Same goes for the latter, is this in general called the "source" or something else as well?
<yorickpeterse> (I hope I'm making any sense here)
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<yorickpeterse> The reason I'm asking is because I need a good name for the attributed to store both those data sources in (this is for a Ruby parser)
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, "variables" and "enumerable" should do
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<drbrain> I would use enumerable
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<matti> Hi drbrain
<drbrain> matti: hello
<drbrain> !
<matti> ;)
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<zzak> hello!
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<drbrain> what's happening today?
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<zzak> optimizing some rails code and catching up on ruby-core
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<drbrain> neato
<matti> Anyone knows somebody looking for Ruby / Systems person?
<erikh> I'm cheffing all the things
<erikh> making rails_env come from data bags
<drbrain> erikh: nice
<erikh> basically building an in-house PaaS
<erikh> yeah, it's been a lot of fun
<drbrain> matti: I get recruiter hits every so often, but they don't sound like places I'd want to actually work
<matti> ;-)
<drbrain> erikh: I tried to do that once, but our sysadmins were not happy with chef
<erikh> matti: define 'systems', and are you willing to relocate?
<drbrain> matti: that, and I don't like dealing with third-parties
<erikh> drbrain: ah, yeah, it's very much a vi vs emacs thing for no good reason
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<erikh> we're looking for another devops dude
<erikh> well, or dudette. I don't discriminate
<drbrain> erikh: they'd built their own thing and said it was "super great"… but they didn't really want to share it
<drbrain> so it was impossible to work our stuff into it
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<erikh> ah
<erikh> that's one of the reasons in-house software kind of sucks
<erikh> but generally I tend to prefer it
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<erikh> drbrain: is this at the death star?
<erikh> anyhow, back to the grind
<drbrain> at ATTi… the in-house thing is open source on sourceforge somewhere, but it is nowhere near is friendly to use (or as capable) as chef
<erikh> ah
<erikh> familiarity is a strong motivator
<drbrain> yeah
<erikh> if it wasn't, we'd probably all be lisp wanks right now
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<yorickpeterse> erikh: what location (the devops bit)?
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<erikh> SF
<yorickpeterse> hmpf
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<yorickpeterse> Everything is in SF damnit
<wmoxam> heh
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<manveru> sucks, eh :(
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<yorickpeterse> From what I've seen I'd say NL is one of the wurst countries for non Rails Ruby work
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<RickHull> anyone got any reccomendations for something like visio? i am trying to document/diagram an environment of about 50 servers in about 20 different roles
<RickHull> i just need basic boxes, text, and connectors (I figure)
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<zzak> other than visio?
<matti> RickHull: OmniGiraffe if you are an OS X junkie ;]
<drbrain> RickHull: GraphViz? you can use graph.rb to build it
<RickHull> visio is an option, but it's got way more stuff than i need and actually makes it hard to do what i want
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<RickHull> drbrain: i don't think automatic layout will work
<drbrain> RickHull: you can specify layout with dot
<RickHull> hmm, i've tried to use graphviz for something similar a few years back and gave up fighting it
<RickHull> i was probably doing it wrong
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<drbrain> you can make tree-like graphs by providing ranks and whatnot
<drbrain> and group chunks and whatnot
<drbrain> the graph gem has support for all that: https://rubygems.org/gems/graph
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<RickHull> i'll look into it, thanks
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<RickHull> oh yeah, i need cylinders to represent data storage
<RickHull> visio by default doesn't include these basic shape conventions
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<RickHull> despite the naming cliche, this seems ok https://creately.com/
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