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<jtoy> what is wrong with this?
<jtoy> Date.parse "7/24/2012"
<seanstickle> jtoy: Date.parse uses European date format by default
<seanstickle> And there is no 24th month
<jtoy> seanstickle: what method should i use instead?
<Oloryn_lt2> it seems to work ok here.
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<seanstickle> Oloryn_lt2: what version of Ruby are you using?
<seanstickle> Oloryn_lt2: I'm guessing 1.8
<Oloryn_lt2> On this particular machine, yes
<seanstickle> Oloryn_lt2: the change happened in 1.9
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<banisterfiend> anyone here use android phone?
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<banisterfiend> when i play music through teh standard sound player app, it closes every time i switch to another app. How do i have it keep playing in the background?
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<Oloryn_lt2> Good question. My Android 2.3 phone keeps playing in the background.
<seanstickle> banisterfiend: just install this instead: http://kparc.com/
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<heftig> banisterfiend: teh standard sound player app should be "Google Music"
<banisterfiend> heftig: can u tell me how to set that up
<heftig> install it?
<banisterfiend> heftig: halp
<banisterfiend> heftig: is't that just a streaming service?
<heftig> nope
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<heftig> you can use the cloud functionality, but it includes whatever is on the device, as well
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<heftig> really, it should be already installed if it's a recent device
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<banisterfiend`> heftig: u're a liar and a cheat
<banisterfiend`> heftig: i went to the page to install it and it says it's only available in USA
<heftig> well fuck you too
<banisterfiend`> heftig: afaik u're not from USA, so u made the whole thing up
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<heftig> banisterfiend`: it comes preinstalled on the gnex
<banisterfiend`> heftig: have you actually used 'google music' ?
<banisterfiend`> hmm
<banisterfiend`> heftig: so, it works in germany? weird that it's telling me it's USA only
<banisterfiend`> it doesn't even exist in the google play store
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<heftig> well, you need the music service enabled on your google account in order to use the online functionality
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<heftig> it still works as an offline media player in any case
<heftig> i used a vacation in the US to enable google music from there, and i can still use it here
<heftig> (the online stuff, i mean)
<banisterfiend`> heftig: it wouldn't let me instal lit at all, whether offline/online
<heftig> hang on
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<heftig> install this thing
<banisterfiend`> heftig: cool thanks :)
<banisterfiend`> i'll have a play with it
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<banisterfiend`> cheers
<heftig> i think it needs root
<heftig> anyway, it lets you fake your mobile provider to the market
<heftig> i set it to t-mobile (US) briefly, to install all the apps that weren't available in germany
<heftig> afterwards, you can reset it. updates still work
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<andkerosine> foo = [2, :*, 3, :+, 4]
<andkerosine> foo.reduce { |m, i| i.is_a?(Symbol) ? m.method(i) : m.call(i) }
<andkerosine> Is there a better way to fold over that?
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<certainty> moin moin.
<certainty> active loop anyone? https://gist.github.com/3245488
<whitequark> certainty: perversive
<whitequark> I like it
<certainty> :)
<whitequark> btw, enable tail recursion in MRI settings and check if it stackoverflows
<whitequark> I think it does, unfortunately; MRI tailrec is pretty crappy
<whitequark> also I think it's basically a restricted form of letrec
<certainty> whitequark: yeah it is. I haven't checked/thought about whether outer bindings are visible within inner bindings
<certainty> whitequark: i just wanted to see if its possible at all. I'm testing if i can get a small version of a lazy-sequence constructor that uses closures to do the next iteration
<certainty> much like a delay
<whitequark> well, for that case you should be able to unroll the recursion manually, should stack size become a problem
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<certainty> whitequark: yeah until then i'll keep it this way for simplicity. I don't need a version that has decent performance anyway
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<banisterfiend> certainty: you might be able to do better if u did this: nlet { |loop, x=20, y=30| ... }
<whitequark> ^ that
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<whitequark> also, I'd rewrite your version a bit
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<whitequark> certainty: https://gist.github.com/3245645
<certainty> whitequark: nice! Even easier. I have a similar try before but didn't think of yielding just the block
<certainty> whitequark: a little awkward though to pass the block to the block as a first argument
<whitequark> certainty: well, that's how letrec works :)
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<whitequark> unfortunately TCO doesn't pick up this
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<certainty> whitequark: yupp. Though it's clearly in tail position
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<whitequark> certainty: it's pretty stupid through, afaik it only tail-recurs if the receiver is `self' and the method is the same as current one
<whitequark> hm, I'll try to make it work
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<whitequark> damnit, why can't I curry blockarg
<whitequark> this sucks.
* whitequark ragequits and switches to Scheme
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<andkerosine> It's pretty ugly, but it seems to work?
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<whitequark> 1) 1.8
<whitequark> 2) not works for me, as I need to make the block immediately bound to self
<whitequark> i.e. I need to define a Proc with a block which has `self' bound to that Proc.
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<whitequark> a K combinator would work, but any attempt of writing my own K combinator would break MRI's stupid TCO
<andkerosine> I know most of these words. : )
<whitequark> I'm now trying to fuck with Method#bind/unbind, but that doesn't work well
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<andkerosine> It's odd that something like that isn't native.
<whitequark> not quite
<andkerosine> Proc#[] should be able to respond accordingly given that it knows its own arity, no?
<whitequark> it's almost never native in non-functional languages, and frankly Ruby isn't, or at least wasn't deisgned as one from the ground up
<whitequark> hm
<whitequark> look, block captures its environment when it is defined
<whitequark> lambda { p self }.call # => main
<whitequark> and I need to make this:
<whitequark> block = lambda { p self }; magic(block).call == block.inspect # => true
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<whitequark> as this way recuring would imply just calling self.call
<whitequark> and TCO would pick it up
<andkerosine> I think I get the idea, but that I don't see why currying would help means I'm very likely out of my depth.
<andkerosine> I apologize for being the only one awake during these troubling times. : )
<whitequark> hehe :)
<whitequark> well, if I could use currying I'd do this:
<whitequark> method(:instance_exec).unbind.bind(proc).curry(&proc).call
<whitequark> as instance_exec is probably the only way to switch `self' of an existing block
<whitequark> hm wait,.
<andkerosine> Just on a slightly related note, would you say that Ruby has the secondmost introspective power after Lisp?
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<whitequark> well, probably not
<whitequark> Java and C# reflection is pretty good
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<whitequark> but introspection doesn't really matter that much
<whitequark> the ability of making flexible DSLs is what does
<whitequark> and Ruby allows for really good DSLs, almost as good as those produced with Lisp macros
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<andkerosine> It just seems like almost nothing is off limits in Ruby.
<andkerosine> See: that line of code above.
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<whitequark> I'd even say they are as good as you can get without making a Lisp clone: practically every langage which can do AST manipulation (i.e. homoiconic) is, well, Lisp
<andkerosine> Yeah, that makes sense.
<andkerosine> I was pretty sad to see RubyVM completely undocumented.
<andkerosine> I imagine there's a reason for that, though.
<whitequark> haha, I kinda made it to work
<andkerosine> You have to simulate the curry with a separate lambda, no?
<whitequark> nope :D
<whitequark> see the `probably' above
<whitequark> `instance_exec' is not the only way.
<andkerosine> Dun dun dun.
<whitequark> through it doesn't work either way :/
<whitequark> ruby's TCO is _really_ stupid. either that, or I'm doing it wrong.
<whitequark> ah damnit, trace_instruction: false.
<andkerosine> Does that help much?
<whitequark> yes
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<andkerosine> I was under the assumption that TCO would have to be pretty decentralized to work effectively.
<whitequark> *shrug* or maybe not.
<whitequark> define_method seems to suppress it.
<whitequark> certainty:
<whitequark> this is as far as I can get
<whitequark> the first one works, the second one SO's.
<certainty> whitequark: i'll have a look
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<certainty> whitequark: impressive
<whitequark> obviously you can generate classes at runtime if you'll use `def call` in each letrec{} block
<whitequark> they even will be GC'd as there is no PermGen-like stuff in Ruby
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<whitequark> through for any _sane_ implementation that'll explode any caching it has and will be slow as a dog.
<whitequark> so I doubt you want to use this practically.
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<certainty> whitequark: i never planned to :) Just wanted to see how far i cat get. I'm on my little port of http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/lazy-seq
<certainty> whitequark: mind the definition of odd-numbers at the end. It uses the closure inside the named let to define the step
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<whitequark> I see
<certainty> as an aside. The real power of lisp macros is that they can operated on the mere sexpressions before evaluation happens. That is it what it derives the real power from
<certainty> well i guess i said "real power" often enough :)
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<banisterfiend> certainty: we can do that with Enumerators
<certainty> thow with the anonymous class trick you could even do anaphoric stuff, no?
<banisterfiend> certainty: Enumerator.new { |y| x = 1; loop { x += 2; y << x } }
<banisterfiend> certainty: e.take(5) #=> [1, 3, 5, 7, 9]
<banisterfiend> err, put the x += 2 after the y << x :)
<certainty> banisterfiend: interesting
<banisterfiend> certainty: Enumerators use Fibers internally
<banisterfiend> to suspend and resume
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<certainty> banisterfiend: Fibers are one of those things i haven't yet gotton around to investigate. Of course a have a fuzzy understanding of them, but i definitely will have a look at them
<certainty> +deeper
<banisterfiend> certainty: they're pretty ez in concept, it's just a block that you can 'pause' and then resume it again and it takes off from where it was paused
<certainty> sounds like callcc
<banisterfiend> f = Fiber.new { puts "hi"; Fiber.yield; puts "baby"; Fiber.yield }
<banisterfiend> f.resume #=> "hi"
<banisterfiend> f.resume #=> "baby"
<certainty> oh that's nice. coroutines come to mind
<banisterfiend> yeah they're co-routines i think
<banisterfiend> ruby also has callcc btw
<certainty> i know :)
<banisterfiend> but u have to; require 'continuation' to use them
<banisterfiend> cool
<certainty> i used to do some dirty tricks with them.
<certainty> as i'm a schemer, working with ruby for his dayjob, i sneak in some schemeisms from time to time
<banisterfiend> nice
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<certainty> you still can't define methods with define_method that take a block, can you?
<gnufied> you can
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<judofyr> gnufied: how?
<certainty> gnufied: how?
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<banisterfiend> certainty: btw we're getting lazy enumerators in 2.0
<certainty> banisterfiend: oh that sounds nice. I was wondering why ruby lacked lazy concepts. Will there be lazy IO as well?
<banisterfiend> certainty: (1..Float::INFINITY).lazy.map { |v| 100 * v).select { |v| v.even? }.take(4) #=> [200, 400, 600, 800]
<gnufied> class Foo; define_method(:x) {|&args| args.call() } end
<gnufied> or am I reading this incorrectly?
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<gnufied> judofyr: ^
<banisterfiend> gnufied: passing a block into a method?
<judofyr> gnufied: oh right; it still confuses me that Proc.new still don't work
<judofyr> doesn't work*
<banisterfiend> judofyr: i wrote a blog post about that
<gnufied> babinho: yeah, via define_method
<gnufied> banisterfiend: gah!
<banisterfiend> judofyr: not sure it's very clear though, i wrote it quite late: http://banisterfiend.wordpress.com/2010/11/06/behavior-of-yield-in-define_method/
<workmad3> 1.9 let you have block params to blocks :)
<banisterfiend> judofyr: so the reason Proc.new doesn't work is because Proc.new would bind to the block in the definition context of the define_method rahter than the block passed to define_method itself
<judofyr> makes sense
<workmad3> and yeah... the closure closes over arguments... the block is just an implicit method argument (unless you've made it explicit)
<certainty> gnufied: aha! thanks. I didn't know that works now
* certainty needs to get back to boring work
<workmad3> certainty: 1.9 'unified' block param list capabilities and method argument list capabilities
<workmad3> certainty: so define_method :method_missing {|m, *a, &b| } works fine in 1.9, like it should :)
<workmad3> oh, and obviously, default arguments work in block param lists too (which I didn't realise until quite recently)
<gnufied> banisterfiend: yeah that makes sense. didn't know, you blogged. :-)
<banisterfiend> gnufied: not so regularly anymore
<banisterfiend> maybe twice a year :)
<certainty> workmad3: yeah, see the letrec definition. It's nice that it works as expected now. Less suprise
<banisterfiend> never used it though
<workmad3> banisterfiend: hmm, I guess it gives you a way of specifying which method to use out of a set of conflicting modules
<whitequark> banisterfiend: btw it's not a deep copy of the method
<whitequark> banisterfiend: it's more a deep copy of a method table entry
<workmad3> banisterfiend: module inclusion doesn't override methods though... it shadows them :)
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<gnufied> whitequark: interesting. but the method body must be copied as well, right/
<banisterfiend> workmad3: well, when i define a method in a subclass that's also in a superclass i say the subclass is 'overriding' the method in the subclass, i think that's standard terminology?
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<whitequark> gnufied: nope
<workmad3> banisterfiend: hmm, good point... I just normally say shadowing, because ruby lets you reopen a class and properly override a method (replacing the original version)
<banisterfiend> fair enough
<whitequark> gnufied: when you replace the method table entry in the module, the class still contains the old method table entry
<workmad3> banisterfiend: but yes, I realise now my terminology is kinda non-standard :)
<whitequark> gnufied: which means you do not need to deep-copy the method body
<gnufied> whitequark: okay, something I need to investigate a bit.
<gnufied> I see what you are saying though.
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<Jake232> Guys, I suck at regex, and the regex room seems pretty quiet. How can I extract [THESE WORDS] from inside the posix brackets. eg: I need to literally use posix brackets in my regex
<Jake232> rather than doing what they ussually do in regex
<judofyr> Jake232: /\[THESE WORDS\]/
<Jake232> And now I feel an idiot
<Jake232> for not trying that
<Jake232> haha
<judofyr> Jake232: there's also Regexp.escape if you'd like to variablize your regex: T = Regexp.escape("[THESE WORDS]"); /#{T} foo/
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<Jake232> judofyr: This will do my job fine: \[([\w\s]+)\]
<Jake232> thanks
<darix> Jake232: why not just use \[([^\]]+)\]
<darix> or
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<darix> Jake232: why not just use \[(.*?)\]
<Jake232> Your second one doesn't match [one two]
<Jake232> but I guess the first is fine
<darix> huh
<darix> works for me
<Jake232> Refreshed rubular and it worked
<Jake232> It was just trolling me it seems
<darix> Jake232: the "?" after the "*" makes sure it takes the shortest match
<Jake232> I also had no idea about the $1
<Jake232> What's all that about?
<Jake232> Some ruby magic I don't know about clearly
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<certainty> hmm isn't rbenv supposed to set my GEM_PATH?
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<judofyr> Jake232: $1 is pretty magic, yes
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<bnagy> anyone know if capybara-webkit is threadsafe?
<bnagy> I have some simple code that dies with really nonobvious errors when I thread it
<bnagy> or alternatively if there's a channel for this stuff
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<abletony84> Anybody know why the libv8 gem won't build? http://pastie.org/4383508
<abletony84> darix: unfortunately that python2 thing didn't work
<darix> abletony84: you are sure it calls python 2 and not 3?
<abletony84> darix: i think so, i put #!/usr/local/bin/python2.7 in /usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/libv8-3.11.8.3/vendor/v8/build/gyp's shebang
<darix> well
<darix> that wouldnt be used :)
<darix> i would rename python to python3
<darix> rename the python2.7 to python
<darix> and try again
<darix> or
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<abletony84> yeah i could do that
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<darix> gem fetch libv8 ; gem unpack libv8*gem ; pushd libv8*/ ; gem spec --ruby ../libv8*gem > t.gemspec ; <patch the gyp file> ; gem build *gemspec ; popd
<darix> and then install that local gem file
<abletony84> nice
<abletony84> darix: am trying now
<abletony84> darix: i did get a totally different error now with python2 though: http://pastie.org/4383508 if you scroll down to "More stuff I tried2
<abletony84> * tried"
<darix> now contact the v8 guys :)
<darix> no clue about that
<abletony84> should i still try your oneliner?
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<certainty> abletony84: that may be a stupid question, but sometimes the systems provide packaged versions for gems. Does that gem exist in your ports?
<abletony84> not a stupid question at all
<abletony84> unfortunately no
<certainty> alright
<abletony84> certainty: you know whats wrong with this though?
<certainty> abletony84: please note that OpenBSD traditionally is quite a stresstest for every compile applications. Most bugs and oddities don't show up on other systems, but OpenBSD catches them
<darix> opensuse has it e.g. :)
<abletony84> # mv /usr/bin/g++ /usr/bin/g++.old && cp /usr/bin/eg++ /usr/bin/g++
<abletony84> # g++ -v
<abletony84> zsh: too many levels of symbolic links: g++
<certainty> abletony84: sounds like gÃthere's a symlink loop
<darix> abletony84: bet: eg++ was a link go g++ ;)
<abletony84> darix: but eg++ -v shows 4.6.2 and g++ -v shows 4.2.1
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<darix> abletony84: uhm
<darix> check if your eg++ was maybe from /usr/local/bin ?
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<abletony84> darix: yeah ;)
<abletony84> hmmm
<darix> so
<abletony84> lets try
<darix> revert the /usr/bin change
<darix> and add ln -sf eg++ /usr/local/bin/g++
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<zwerg> I need to run external programs and wait for their ouput. I tried backticks and IO.popen("...").read but every now and then the child processes go defunct and the script hangs.
<zwerg> Any ideas how to solve that?
<abletony84> darix: that brought us a lot closer :)
<abletony84> no more g++ errors!
<abletony84> i mean.. no more "can't find g++ errors"
<abletony84> right now though: g++: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory
<darix> find cc1plus on your system and link it into the path
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<abletony84> darix: it seems to be in /usr/local/libexec/gcc/i386-unknown-openbsd5.1/4.6.2/cc1plus so i add /usr/local/libexec/gcc/i386-unknown-openbsd5.1/4.6.2/ to my shell's path?
<darix> e.g.
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<abletony84> darix: one problem solved another one pops up ../src/utils.h:33:19: fatal error: climits: No such file or directory
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<abletony84> kindly refresh http://pastie.org/4383508
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<zwerg> So I now do proc = IO.popen("..."); Process.wait proc.pid; out = proc.read;
<zwerg> Wait successfully finishes, but read takes forever.
<zwerg> Is there any function for reading as many bytes as there are instead of waiting for eof()?
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<deryl> that would be a dangerous function, not to mention it would have no way to know when there are 'as many bytes as there are' since you would now no longer have a 'as there are' signaler
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<zwerg> But the process returned from Process.wait pid, why could .read hang anyways?
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<rue> Just FYI, IO.popen doesn’t return a Process, as far as I know…
<rue> So I dunno what the proc.pid is supposed to be
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<rue> Oh, dear… eek yww
<TTilus> maybe $$ then?
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<rue> No, there actually IS a IO#pid
<rue> Which is kinda insananey
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<TTilus> a bit surprising, have to say, but accompanied with IO.popen, not all that counter intuitive
<rue> Yes, but for any other IO
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<TTilus> thats the surprising part :)
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<Mon_Ouie> ed all the first season in the last few days and I haven't seen it sense they aired it on tv. Holy fucking shit it is good. I am Curious about the 2nd season. (self.digimon)
<Mon_Ouie> No idea why that happened
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<apeiros_> o0
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<drbrain> deryl: read_nonblock does that
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<drbrain> Cascadia Ruby Conferenge is streaming at justin.tv/confreaks
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<drbrain> deryl: … read_nonblock reads as many bytes as there are
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<jbwiv> guys, I'm having trouble passing a proc to a method. I get "Can't convert Proc to Array". Any idea why? https://gist.github.com/26dc94582262a686d373
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<zzak> drbrain: ruby-core is using travis-ci now?
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<banisterfiend> zzak: did u get your commit bit yet
<heftig> banisterfiend: luck with android yet?
<banisterfiend> heftig: naw haven't tried yet :)
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<Harzilein> is there a way to have eruby emit no newline after an escape to ruby? (instead of extending the escape to the next line)
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<darix> Harzilein: example code?
<drbrain> zzak: yes
<Harzilein> <% method_call %>
<Harzilein> Some text
<darix> Harzilein: try -%>
<Harzilein> would result in output of "\nSome text"
<Harzilein> darix: does not appear to work, where is it documented?
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<darix> Harzilein: then use erubis instead or eruby
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<Harzilein> darix: so eruby is not standardized? whose extension is that -?
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<Harzilein> darix: ah, processing with erb1.9.1 -T - works :)
<Harzilein> darix: so this would only work for elements where i would want to emit the output value?
<Harzilein> darix: es there seems to be no equivalent like <% -%>
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<abletony84> Can somebody help me build the libv8 gem? http://pastie.org/4383508
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<certainty> abletony84: you're still struggling with it?
<abletony84> yes sir
<abletony84> getting closer though (#rubyonrails)
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<rue> Ruby Job: Senior Recruiter -.-
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<certainty> abletony84: at least you're not giving in quickly
<certainty> i like that. I probably would have thrown away that installation and run a VM or something
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<drbrain> If you're tuning in late, Cascadia Ruby Conference is streaming: http://justin.tv/confreaks
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<abletony84> When a gem install errors out, and I try to fix its Makefile, how do I prevent that Makefile from being overwritten when I rerun gem install?
<andkerosine> You'll have to download the actual gem archive.
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<abletony84> ah i see
<abletony84> darix: didnt you have a nice recipe for that?
<darix> 14:10:43 < darix> gem fetch libv8 ; gem unpack libv8*gem ; pushd libv8*/ ; gem spec --ruby ../libv8*gem > t.gemspec ; <patch the gyp file> ; gem build *gemspec ; popd
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<abletony84> there we go!
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<abletony84> darix: its progressed now though: http://pastie.org/4385368
<abletony84> I'm trying to remove -rdynamic from its Makefile
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<abletony84> Can someone help me build therubyracer here on OpenBSD? http://pastie.org/4385785 - attached the latest mkmf.log
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<rolfb> is there a way to ask what the arguments sent to me (as an object) was?
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<rolfb> like __callee__ is for getting the method name
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<abletony84> Can someone help me build therubyracer here on OpenBSD? http://pastie.org/4385785 - I'm not exactly sure what the error is this time though.
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<matti> abletony84: You may have some fun getting it working on OBSD
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<matti> abletony84: Try to get it to build from source from the mainstream project: http://code.google.com/p/v8/wiki/BuildingWithGYP
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<matti> abletony84: And then you can tell therubyracer to use V8 as shared library.
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<abletony84> thanks matti
<matti> abletony84: It might be a challenge.
<abletony84> :/
<matti> Oh, come on ;]
<matti> Give it a go ;]
<abletony84> ive already spent days on this
<matti> Why OBSD?
<abletony84> its so nice and simple
<matti> Hehe
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<abletony84> matti: wait, i already have libv8 installed though
<matti> Oh.
<abletony84> yeah i struggled with that part yesterday, just got it fixed
<matti> abletony84: https://github.com/cowboyd/therubyracer -- read secion on the bottom.
<matti> abletony84: About using shared library.
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<matti> If you have it, there is no need for rake to try to compile dependencies.
<matti> Which fail.
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<abletony84> matti: What do you mean?
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<matti> abletony84: Hm?
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<abletony84> matti: https://github.com/cowboyd/libv8 installed fine - you're saying that's the source of my trouble though and that i should try to build it manually off the grid?
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<matti> abletony84: Have a look at log file.
<matti> abletony84: You should be able to figure out from it what failed.
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<abletony84> matti: I can't make much sense of it: http://pastie.org/4385785
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<matti> abletony84: Installing therubyracer (0.11.0beta6) with native extensions
<matti> Gem::Installer::ExtensionBuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
<matti> abletony84: The only one native extension that this gem has is V8.
<matti> abletony84: There is an option to ask it to use V8 externally as shared library.
<matti> abletony84: Try it.
<matti> abletony84: And I do recommend you some more user-friendly OS :) OpenBSD require you to go and figure out things like that :)
<matti> abletony84: Anyway, keep on hacking on it.
* matti has to go to sleep, too tired and its past midnight ;/
<matti> I'd have a look but I do not have OBSD anywhere.
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<abletony84> matti: You mean compile and try another libv8?
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<abletony84> OpenBSD is just so darn gorgeous, so supersimple free from all the bullshit in all other OSes
<abletony84> I'm not sure I want to give it up
<matti> Hehe
<matti> I admire your spirit ;]
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<abletony84> Cool, I appreciate your help and have a good night
<matti> And I do agree. I used NetBSD at some point in life.
<seanstickle> OpenBSD is usr friendly
<seanstickle> For the right users
<seanstickle> Of whom I count myself one
<matti> Not for Open, but might help
<matti> Right, keep tryin' I am falling asleep ;d
<matti> Night night
<abletony84> hehe
<abletony84> nighty night man
<matti> :>
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