<kyak>
whitequark: by following you in the street, it is possible to find out much more
<whitequark>
kyak: following you in the street is a) costly b) easy to detect
<viric>
kyak: all they know about you can be later used against you. For example, they may know what you cannot prove, when they face you with a false accusation.
<whitequark>
following you in the internet is a) cheap b) next to impossible to detect or circumvent
<viric>
Like they could do with Navalny
<kyak>
whitequark: really? do you know how many cameras are in the street? They have a 24hour footage of you every day :)
<kyak>
you hiding cookies just sound funny
<kyak>
thinking it would improve "privacy"
<whitequark>
kyak: to begin with, it would
<viric>
you can try the evercookie :)
<whitequark>
then, on the street, yeah--though it is far from being cheap or easy to use, and is only true for some cities in some countries
<viric>
you have the positioning by mobile phone antennas, if you use them
<viric>
it depends on what do you prefer to keep hidden.
<viric>
And about internet... it's much easier to avoid the disclosure of private data in internet, than on street.
<viric>
So if it is easy, you better avoid the disclosure. You never know when that will be used against yo.
<whitequark>
viric: I doubt that
<kyak>
it is much more probable that authorities will get information about you from their own sources (they have plenty of governmental databses), your internet provider etc, than from your cookies..
<viric>
doubt what?
<whitequark>
kyak: I don't care very much about authorities
<kyak>
seriously, you are giving yourself a safe sense of privacy
<viric>
well, we have to add that it gives a relief to act as a secret agent
<viric>
you have to enjoy the fun of that game, because it is set for you to play it.
<kyak>
whitequark: ok, in this case the only way these companies can profit from you is if you give them your money
<whitequark>
kyak: that's... just not true at all
<whitequark>
companies can profit from you a lot even if you will never give them money at all. case in point: facebook
<kyak>
what's up with that?
<whitequark>
viric, kyak: (and I personally don't hide cookies, by the way. but, whatever)
<whitequark>
kyak: hm?
<viric>
We need people playing the secret agent game
<kyak>
whitequark: how they profit from you by watching your cookies?
<viric>
Because otherwise, anyone not hiding the cookies, will be suspect.
<whitequark>
kyak: google "ad retargeting", for example
<kyak>
whitequark: the aim of ads is your money
<viric>
It's like https. Luckily, https is spread. Otherwise, using ciphering for https would raise suspicion.
<whitequark>
kyak: the companies which show me ads don't profit from me.
<viric>
kyak: yes, and the government wants your well being and safety too.
<kyak>
they will show you ads with or without cookies
<whitequark>
viric: https is not exactly secure
<viric>
whitequark: you can have secure things over https
<whitequark>
it takes one compromised CA for being able to MITM everything
<viric>
which does not mean any https is secure
<kyak>
viric: the government doesn't care about me, but i don't understand what it has to do with cookies. .seriously
<viric>
kyak: it's about not accepting any step back
<viric>
kyak: you could say the same about the FOSS. "A bit of non-FOSS doesn't hurt"
<viric>
and you end up running skype in an android factory-flashed phone
<viric>
kyak: you should be ashamed, that the government doesn't care about you ;)
<kyak>
viric: no, it's a about your convenience. Convenience (for me) is much more above FOSS. It is, however, possible that i might feel inconvenientwhen using non-FOSS. But it only proves that convenience is above FOSS
<whitequark>
convenience and security are two ends of an one spectrum
<viric>
Tatcher said: you only have to make happy two thirds of the people. You win ellections, and you can fuck one third to make the two-thirds feel over average.
<viric>
that's also called fascism. Kick off a minority for advantage of the majority. But it works, and it's convenient for most of the population.
<kyak>
incorrect, you only need to make happy 51% of those who actually came to vote :)
<viric>
this reaches godwin soon.
<kyak>
taking about 30-35% attendance, it's much less
<whitequark>
attending population does not necessarily represent views of it as a whole
<kyak>
sure, sure
<viric>
whitequark: but that doesn't matter, in terms of governing
<whitequark>
viric: it's a quantitive difference, yes
<viric>
Have you seen this tox.im thing, btw?
<kyak>
viric: juts wondering, do you use cookie whitelisting yourself?
<viric>
kyak: yes, with the cookie monster
<viric>
but that's only *one* fingerprinting technique.
<kyak>
viric: do you have JS disabled?
<viric>
Not always.
<viric>
often not.
<kyak>
can you give a link to that cookie omnster?
<viric>
it's a firefox plugin, named that way
<kyak>
my google bubble will now suggest that i'm a fan of that blue creature :0
<kyak>
ok, it's interesting
<kyak>
i might use it for blacklisting :)
<viric>
that will give you a false sense of security
<viric>
;)
<kyak>
though i don't know what i'dd like to blacklist
<whitequark>
there's ghostery for blacklisting
<whitequark>
it's closed-source and, well, blacklisting. I have it installed because it kills annoying stuff, but don't rely on it.
<viric>
I also use privoxy
<kyak>
i think i used to use adblock or something.. but at some point of time i got rid of it
<viric>
privoxy doesn't make your browser slow
<kyak>
"obnoxious Internet junk" :)
<kyak>
the author seems to be pissed off
<whitequark>
viric: adblock doesn't either?
<viric>
whitequark: it did for me. but I have quite slow computers :)
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