<xakh> wolfspraul: wow crap sorry guys
<xakh> anyway
<xakh> here's mine
<xakh> and there's his
<xakh> note
<xakh> silver power button on his
<xakh> the blues are brighter on his, caps lock arrow is a different direction, silver separator between f keys and qwerty
<xakh> etc
<xakh> just thought it was interesting
<wolfspraul> xakh: ok so which one do you think looks better?
<xakh> I like mine. :)
<wolfspraul> ok good
<wolfspraul> :-)
<wolfspraul> zear has a really early one, from one of our small runs
<xakh> ahh.
<xakh> so mine's just newer.
<wolfspraul> later we changed the power button to black, and the divider between F keys and other keys to black
<wolfspraul> and we made the red print on the keys brighter I think
<wolfspraul> I don't think we changed anything with the blue, but there were several changes on the keyboard so I'm not sure
<wolfspraul> so bottom line, yes, yours is 'newer' from the mass production run
<xakh> I'm still one of the original 500, right?
<wolfspraul> you mean first 500?
<xakh> yeah
<wolfspraul> probably, don't know
<wolfspraul> we have sold around 700 by now, I think
<wolfspraul> have to remove that banner on the wiki, it gets annoying... :-)
<xakh> I felt all warm and fuzzy being in such an elite club ;)
<wolfspraul> well it's a start
<wolfspraul> of course we need to sell many more
<wolfspraul> but the most important right now is to sell to a crowd that really gets the idea, and supports us in the long run
<wolfspraul> as you see on the list we still have a few people that buy it and it immediately starts collecting dust. which is sad but well it's another sale.
<wolfspraul> xakh: if you have ideas how we can reach more people that can really enjoy the device where it is today, please spread the wor.d
<xakh> actually I get tons of compliments on this thing
<wolfspraul> great
<xakh> biggest problem for adoption is a lack of a windows client, since that's what a lot of people I know use
<wolfspraul> what should that client do?
<xakh> be able to reflash it
<xakh> also, an easier way to reflash
<xakh> though I really like the current system
<xakh> it'd take quite a bit of explaining to a normal user
<wolfspraul> sure
<xakh> like a switch would work well
<xakh> oh, and of course wi-fi
<xakh> even just b
<xakh> I'm actually going to try to cross compile netsurf
<xakh> which is a tiny browser
<xakh> I should have all the kinks worked out in time for the Ya image.
<wolfspraul> yes! :-) that's the right attitude
<xakh> oh!
<xakh> speaking of.
<xakh> I've been trying to compile leafpad.
<xakh> I'm using this guide
<xakh> so
<xakh> it says I need a modified makefile
<xakh> and that confuses me
<wolfspraul> can't help you, need to wait until David (tuxbrain) gets up
<xakh> ok
<xakh> how long will that be?
<wolfspraul> hours
<wolfspraul> well who knows, I shouldn't speak too soon... But it's early in Spain...
<xakh> ah
<xakh> so that's where he lives
<wolfspraul> Barcelona, Spain, yes
<xakh> Cool.
<xakh> I live in Huntington West Virginia, out in the stinkin' states.
<xakh> kinda sucks
<xakh> hoi zear
<zear> hey there xakh
<xakh> I found out our nanonotes are different
<xakh> I thought it was interesting
<xakh> and I like showing off my wallpaper
<zear> :D
<zear> it fits really good
<xakh> so, you got any ideas on how to port this software?
<kyak> is waiting for his NN to arrive to join the geek talking
<xakh> in the meantime
<xakh> bask in the glory of a shark and a gorilla high fiving
<wolfspraul> mirko: I connected the Atheros SD25 I have to my NanoNote, and it did show up as an SDIO device
<wolfspraul> of course now the actual Wi-Fi driver is missing and I got a flashback from all the Openmoko pain
<wolfspraul> :-)
<wolfspraul> arghhhh
<xakh> hahahaha
<zear> xakh, well, i didn't really master openwrt yet
<zear> all my ports were done using dingux toolchain
<xakh> dang
<zear> which isn't a proper way of doing it
<xakh> by the way
<xakh> if anyone wants my wallpaper
<xakh> it's a little long
<xakh> but it only cuts out the "nice" part
<xakh> by the way
<xakh> one of your ports has a bunch of bugs, zear
<xakh> your port of powder
<zear> all of them have :)
<xakh> yeah
<zear> what are the bugs in powder?
<xakh> but this one registers all non letter keys as B
<zear> ah, i know
<xakh> for key combos it works fine
<xakh> but I can't rename my guy
<zear> red arrow + backspace for deleting the name
<xakh> Thanks man
<zear> there's also a random name creator if you click on one of the icons in the name changing dialog
<xakh> yeah, it's also f3
<xakh> I'd named my dude Cage, best I could get
<xakh> but now
<zear> :D
<xakh> I have my sn back
<xakh> \woot!
<xakh> also, Tlosh ftw.
<xakh> I always choose necromancer.
<xakh> I love me some zombies.
<zear> playing xom (><0|V|) is a bit risque, but you can get a lot of benefits
<xakh> lol
<xakh> that's what it says.
<xakh> btw, do you mean risky?
<zear> risky i mean :)
<xakh> risque usually means...
<xakh> well I wanna play xom is all I'll say
<xakh> ;)
<zear> btw have you played that game before? I'm wondering, as usually new players are like "meh, this game is hard and boring" :)
<xakh> well
<xakh> I've played Nethack, and about six other roguelikes
<zear> ah, then you know what you're doing :)
<xakh> I always love me some nethack, but the keybinds are always a pain
<zear> yea
<xakh> not to mention the tiles are way cooler
<zear> but anyway, powder is more like a game of chess
<zear> you have to plan your every move
<zear> or you'll die, especially on the later levels
<xakh> yeah
<xakh> I rarely make it past lvl 3
<xakh> but I love sending my horde of zombies to do my bidding
<xakh> one time I found a wand of transmogrification
<zear> when the labirynth levels start (hmm.. about lvl 5 i think) the game gets harder
<xakh> and turned into a fire demon
<xakh> one time I turned into an iron golem.
<zear> wand of polymorth you mean?
<xakh> thas the one
<xakh> iron golem = ownage
<zear> too bad the effects aren't permanent
<xakh> true
<xakh> but I morphed all my zombies
<zear> well, they are if you put on you an amulet of unchanging
<zear> but you can't give your pets items
<xakh> unless they turn into monsters that can pick up items. ;)
<xakh> like Trolls.
<zear> yes, but they are also stupid sometimes :)
<xakh> true
<xakh> but I had one with two rapiers
<xakh> it may have been temporary
<xakh> but an iron golem
<zear> drop an amulet of strangulation and a monster will pick it up and put on himself ;)
<xakh> hahahaha seriously?
<zear> yep
<xakh> fantastic.
<zear> and probably if you dropped a poisoned weapon (dipped in poison potion) they'd do the same
<zear> oh, and you might want try to dip items in potions, some give quite interesting results
<xakh> nice.
<xakh> btw
<zear> but i won't spoil the fun ;)
<xakh> is there an armor above crystal plate?
<zear> i think not
<xakh> spawned with it.
<zear> unless it's to be found on latter levels
<xakh> also how do I jump?
<zear> i like the randomly generated artifacts (items that have ! on them)
<xakh> it says I can
<xakh> I love those too
<zear> you need to have an ability to jump
<xakh> it says I have it
<zear> i once found a sword that was granting "dig"
<zear> so i could dig through the map without wasting my mana
<zear> then you need to choose it from the menu
<zear> getting to the menu is a little complicated
<zear> i think it was shift + V
<xakh> heh
<xakh> yup
<zear> is that a menu with a list of actions to choose from, or is it rather a main menu?
<zear> just checked, it's the right one
<zear> you have a list of actions to choose from
<zear> i find it more handy than pressing keys on the keyboard
<xakh> me too.
<xakh> I don't like random named animals
<zear> hehe, they're like bosses
<zear> usually carry a special item
<xakh> really?
<zear> yep
<xakh> crap, should stop running from this named spider.
<zear> and have more hp (probably a higher level)
<zear> be careful, they are stronger than normal monsters of its kind
<xakh> yeah, bigass spider
<zear> you can distinguish them as they have ! on their tile
<xakh> yup
<zear> oh, and if you have potions of greek fire, acid or poison, and you find a room filled with sleeping monsters, trow the potion in
<zear> usually you kill so many of them at a time that you get a level :)
<xakh> I did that
<xakh> it was awesome
<xakh> first time
<xakh> I set myself on fire
<zear> empty potions also work that way
<zear> :D
<xakh> empty
<xakh> like bottles?
<zear> yeah :D
<xakh> so you hit them with glass or something?
<zear> yep
<xakh> heh
<xakh> chucked a potion at him
<xakh> had no idea what was in it
<xakh> now spider is dead
<xakh> gave me a copper wand, and a silver dagger
<xakh> *iron wand
<zear> mormal potion works on 3x3 tile range when shattered
<zear> blessed on 4x4
<xakh> nice!
<zear> and artifacts i think have even a greater range
<zear> so you must watch if you throw blessed potions, as you might accidently kill yourself :D
<xakh> nice
<xakh> aww
<xakh> friggin grid bug
<xakh> new game.
<xakh> btw, book of h'ruth + book of necromancy
<xakh> = necromancer's delight
<xakh> learn clean kill, and raise dead
<xakh> everything leaves corpses
<zear> oh, that's good
<zear> i usually just feed on the corpses
<zear> oh, but you don't want to eat slugs, they lower your health permanently
<xakh> really?
<zear> yep
<xakh> that's weird.
<zear> the message is "You feel more basic"
<zear> same if you have a pet (non-zombie) and it dies
<xakh> hm.
<xakh> by the way
<xakh> does a zombie retain any stats from what it was before you raised it?
<zear> not sure, but mice zombies usually die first for me :)
<xakh> heh
<xakh> oh dang it I set myself on fire.
<xakh> hey
<xakh> how do I get out of a dungeon if it has no door?
<zear> xakh, you need to *search*
<xakh> oops. I just restarted
<xakh> also
<xakh> wand of nothing
<xakh> can you make it do something?
<xakh> or is it just a stick?
<zear> just a stick i think
<zear> you can waste your turn with it :)
<xakh> heh
<xakh> also
<xakh> can I quiver a knife?
<xakh> like, will it fire from my bow?
<zear> it won't fire from your bow, but it will be under the *throw* action
<xakh> ooh
<xakh> ok
<zear> so that you don't need to open your inventory, select it and then throw it
<zear> err.. i mean it will be under the *fire* option
<zear> but your character will just throw it, ignoring the bow you wield
<xakh> heh
<xakh> man
<xakh> I'm tired
<zear> i'd like to talk more, but i have to go, uni awaits :)
<xakh> okay
<xakh> hey
<zear> talk to you later
<zear> yea?
<xakh> yea man
<zear> no, i mean what's with the "hey"
<zear> unless it's the "bye" hey ;)
<zear> yeah, anyway, cya
<wolfspraul>   /names
<wolfspraul> (sorry)
<qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740-timer: Mask timer irqs at startup http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/d7808b8
<larsc> mth: ok did some tests and the irqs are self clearing and writing to pending indeed does nothing
<qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: intc: Do not ack pending irqs http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/3036ab5
<mth> larsc: I see you created a 2.6.34 branch, but the commits on that have a date from 1 month back, while they contain more recent changes...?
<larsc> do they?
<mth> this contains the mask init you committed today, but at the bottom of the page it says "created 1 month 3 days ago"
<larsc> hm. must be git. I sqashed the timer fix into the original commit
<mth> and it kept the original date?
<larsc> i guess
<larsc> hm. i'm currently looking at the sound dma issue and playback only works if i set the source width to 16bit and dest width to 8bit. which is a bit strange imo
<larsc> and i'm playing 16bit samples
<mth> is it using the fixed dma.h?
<larsc> yes
<mth> I have tested with source set to 16 and 32 and dest always set to 16 and both configurations work
<larsc> ok. forget it i'm apperently to dump to read the specs...
<larsc> got the width encoding wrong again
<mth> speaking of DMA, do you have any plans for scatter/gather list support?
<mth> if not, I could have a look at it
<mth> it would make an efficient deferred I/O implementation of SLCD possible, I think
<larsc> i implemented it once but deleted it accicentally :/
<larsc> hm. the dma engine gets an irq when there are at least 16 free slots in the fifo. with 16bits sample size shouldn't it be safe to transfer 32bytes per irq?
<mth> if source size is 32 bits, does that also mean the data must be aligned to 32 bits?
<mth> for 16 bit stereo that would not be a problem, but I don't know if it can be guaranteed for 8 bit or 16 bit mono
<larsc> i guess it need to aligned
<qi-commits> Carlos Camargo: Fixing analog and digital ground on LCD's SAKC circuit http://qi-hw.com/p/nn-usb-fpga/c8b70e5
<methril_work> larsc: ping
<larsc> methril_work: pong
<methril_work> larsc: i was taking a look to the kernel organization
<methril_work> it`s possible to organize the jz chips inside ingenic folder or something like that?
<methril_work> i see som SoC manufacturers does like that and keeps the mips folder cleaner
<larsc> methril_work: yes, sure. but currently there is only one jz chip supported in the qi tree
<methril_work> i see
<methril_work> but if we do frequent updates with the ingenic repos. it`s better if we adopt this structure (with them) :)
<methril_work> are there any schedule for mainline inclussion?
<larsc> soon
<larsc> (tm)
<larsc> :)
<methril_work> i was talking with carlos almagro about a jz patch to support RTAI or RT_PREEMPT
<methril_work> we need a roadmap for kernel too :)
<larsc> i'm not sure what it takes these days to be linux-rt compliant, but given that most of it is already included in upstream linux it shouldn't be to hard
<larsc> roadmap is: get as much done as soon as possible...
<larsc> i'm planning to send patches in for review when the merge window for 2.6.35 has closed
<methril_work> ok
<methril_work> i`ll try to get hands on next week
<methril_work> if i could help...
<larsc> sure
<methril_work> let me know
<methril_work> time to back to work
<methril_work> we stay tunned
<methril_work> thank you larsc (2.6.35 inclussion is a plan) ;)
<larsc> 2.6.36
<larsc> 2.6.35 will be the next upstream release for which the merge window will close soon.
<larsc> mth: it is possible to set a minimum period byte size, so i guess it's safe to always use  a dma_width of 32 for the buffer
<mth> I don't know how much difference it makes in practice, but it sounds more efficient
<mth> it might halve the number of reads
<larsc> or quarter for 8bit samples
<mth> by the way, do you know whether it's useful to clock down the JZ CPU when the load is low? or is it just as efficient to run it at max freq for a shorter time and then let it be idle?
<mth> as far as I know, the gain from lower clocking comes from being able to lower the voltage supplied to the CPU
<mth> but I don't think that embedded devices do those kind of things
<larsc> downclocking to 100 Mhz saves approx 5mA
<mth> even when doing the same amount of work per second?
<larsc> when idle
<mth> ah
<mth> I thought it might stop its clock when idle
<mth> (the clock to the CPU part, not the SoC part)
<qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: jzcodec: Add S8 as supported format http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/a6d81b5
<qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: ASoC: Fix and cleanup DMA config http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/57f43ae
<qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: dma: Fix dma width constants http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/51a5b8c
<rafa> would it be possible to use a common usb cable for serial ? http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Ben_nanonote_serial1.jpg
<kristianpaul> yes
<kristianpaul> that could be an addon for Ya
<rafa> kristianpaul: you mean the usb cable? or was you talking about another things? :)
<kristianpaul> rafa: cable
<kristianpaul> it is required
<kristianpaul> DIY cables are not always the best option if you want something strong
<kristianpaul> DIY? - DO it together
<kristianpaul> hehe
<rafa> kristianpaul: I do not know about kind of usb cables.. For example :
<kristianpaul> actually a usb cable could work
<kristianpaul> but the same connector for both usb and serial, is not safe
<rafa> I would use a usb cable like that and I would test
<kristianpaul> too big?
<kristianpaul> wher are you hpoing place it?
<kristianpaul> rafa: i want follow what you made
<rafa> well, I would disassemble the right connector (I would remove it) and then I would try to realize out which internals tiny wires should I use
<kristianpaul> i have same cable here
<kristianpaul> and my nano fully disassemlbed
<kristianpaul> ok
<rafa> I am not at home yet, I am just trying to think if I could use any usb cable (using the tiny wires inside )
<rafa> I would not dissasemble my nn.. I just would like to solder the tiny wires of any usb cable like this
<rafa> But you say that any usb cable should work right? So I will try with some usb cable at home (removing one connector and soldering the tiny wires inside)
<rafa> kristianpaul: I am asking because I do not have knowledge about those cables.
<kristianpaul> rafa: yes is a 4 wire cable
<kristianpaul> serial need 3
<kristianpaul> so it should work
<kristianpaul> but
<kristianpaul> hmm
<kristianpaul> wait
<kristianpaul> rafa: what are you thinkign to plug the usb cable?
<rafa> I need serial output to debug
<rafa> I would usbserial and minicom perhaps.
<rafa> I would use*
<xakh> tuxbrain: ping
<rafa> kristianpaul: I need serial output like it is explained here : http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Serial_console
<tuxbrain> xakh:pong
<xakh> boosh, you're on!
<xakh> I need to make a package for the nano
<xakh> and I know you're the master.
<tuxbrain> heheeheh you have missunderstod the word... is the lammer the lammer....
<xakh> heh, still.
<xakh> I'm taking a small text editor
<xakh> leafpad, as my first project
<xakh> and I'm a bit stuck.
<tuxbrain> what happens
<xakh> I set up my build environment for xburst
<xakh> but I'm not sure what I need for the makefile
<tuxbrain> you can use the one of the tutorial as template
<xakh> okay, I see that, but I'm sort of new to compiling my own packaged
<xakh> *packages
<xakh> I've been spoiled with precompiled repos
<xakh> so after I copy the makefile from the site you recommend
<xakh> where do I go?
<tuxbrain> :) I understand in fact that tutorial was my first experience on making my own packages
<tuxbrain> let me review,
<xakh> ok
<tuxbrain> read from the part of "Creating a Package with OpenWRT" from the same tutorial, it descrive that you have to create a folder , then put the Makefile there in it's own folder inside, and then add that folder to the feeds.conf etc etc... after you have done all this you should be able to see your package  in the make menuconfig under the section you have defined and be able to select and compile it as other OpenWrt package
<xakh> ...
<xakh> I'm still quite confused.
<xakh> so I make a folder
<xakh> then I put the makefile in its own folder
<xakh> then...
<FrankBlues> waves
<xakh> haldo
<xakh> I'm learning how to compile
<xakh> and probably frustrating tuxbrain
<xakh> now, the leafpad compiler already has a makefile.
<xakh> you're telling me I need to make another?
<steve|m> xakh: leafpad itself of course already has a makefile.. but you need to add a makefile for the openwrt buildsystem to know from the package
<xakh> ohhh
<xakh> ok
<xakh> Wait is that xorg for the nano?
<xakh> or just for openwrt?
<steve|m> xakh: I have no idea which explicit version your're using (haven't a nanonote myself), but I've been playing around with openwrt a few years back
<steve|m> the makefiles are all structured the same way
<xakh> mine's for xburst
<xakh> ok
<xakh> so what do I need to do from here to make this package?
<steve|m> after you have the makefile, you should see your package in the menuconfig menu
<tuxbrain> have you changed the key variables on the,lets call it,"OpenWrt Makefile", then name of the package, sections... etc etc?
<tuxbrain> yes that was one of the sources to make my howto
<xakh> alright, I have the newest version, so I don't need the patches
<xakh> I don't think.
<xakh> so I have /home/xakh/openwrt
<xakh> have /openwrt-xburst inside
<xakh> and have /leafpad inside
<xakh> so
<xakh> I need a /makefile inside which?
<xakh> sorry if I sound like a total noob
<xakh> I'm really new to this whole system of actually building stuff
<xakh> been spoiled by Ubuntu and to a lesser extent arch
<steve|m> PKG_NAME:=leafpad
<steve|m> PKG_VERSION:=0.8.17
<steve|m> PKG_RELEASE:=1
<steve|m> and so on..
<xakh> ah
<xakh> and I put it in the leafpad folder, the makefile folder, or the openwrt-xburst folder?
<xakh> I'm trying not to sound like a moron, but it's tough, since it tends to take a couple whacks for stuff to stick to my brain
<xakh> hm.
<steve|m> seems like inside the package/leafpad folder
<xakh> where do I go for the checksum?
<steve|m> $ md5sum leafpad-0.8.17.tar.gz
<steve|m> d39acdf4d31de309d484511bdc9f5924  leafpad-0.8.17.tar.gz
<xakh> and the rest of the info, actually?
<xakh> is there a place in the leafpad folder I look to get the rest of the pieces for the makefile?
<xakh> oh, and do I need to have the tar.gz in there
<xakh> or can it just be an extracted folder?
<steve|m> does OpenWRT on the nanonote have X and GTK running btw?
<xakh> GTK: Yes.
<xakh> it runs through framebuffer
<kristianpaul> rafa: thats a solution that works, the one showed in the pic
<kristianpaul> i just tought wire serial pins will be usefull with a usb connector
<steve|m> ah okay.. since I've just taken a quick look on the packages directory, but those are only the packages which aren't upstream already
<kristianpaul> rafa: i recomend you as tuxbrain pointed use TP4/TP5
<kristianpaul> if you want full serial capabillities
<xakh> well, still, anyone know where I can find the rest of the info to pad out this makefile?
<xakh> and again, can I do it straight from an extracted folder, or does it have to be a tar.gz?
<tuxbrain> it has to be tar.gz and if posible directly downloaded form his original url
<tuxbrain> form->from
<xakh> ok, it is
<xakh> so I make a folder, /package/leafpad then?
<xakh> because I just have leafpad extracted in there
<tuxbrain> no, no need to do so just put the Makefile there
<tuxbrain> OpenWrt will do the magic of download decompress compile
<xakh> ohhhh
<xakh> ok
<xakh> oh.
<xakh> so then what do I fill the makefile with?
<tuxbrain> in the folder "package" there was more directories?
<tuxbrain> I just trying to know if you use an already set up feed
<xakh> nope
<xakh> I'm throwing it together from scratch
<xakh> and reasonably confused
<xakh> I have a tar.gz, and your instructions
<tuxbrain> you no need the tar.gz :)
<tuxbrain> well now in the feed.conf you must put the full path of the new feed "package" you have created (the folder) like this
<tuxbrain> src-link myfeed /path/where/you/created/folder/package
<xakh> ???
<xakh> feed.conf?
<tuxbrain> if there is no feed.conf  there sould be a feed.conf.default or somethingl like that in the root folder of the openwrt
<tuxbrain> copy it to feed.conf and add that line
<xakh> oh ok
<xakh> okay, I still don't know what to fill my makefile with
<xakh> I sound really stupid, and I'm sorry about that
<tuxbrain> don't worry every body is a newbie some time
<xakh> okay
<xakh> so I point it to package, or to the subfolder containing leafpad?
<tuxbrain> and don't offend please but seems you have not read the  http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/creatingpackages , isn't it?
<xakh> I didn't know it existed before someone linked it just now
<xakh> I was just going on your tut
<tuxbrain> no just to "package",
<xakh> okay sweet
<tuxbrain> after that you should run
<tuxbrain> ./scripts/feeds update
<tuxbrain> ./scripts/feeds install -p myfeed
<tuxbrain> sorry not running yet!
<xakh> hehe ok
<tuxbrain> we must be a little sure what is in the Make file, can you send me a an email with it?
<xakh> sure
<tuxbrain> david@tuxbrain.com
<xakh> alright, sent
<tuxbrain> you have wrong package definition, I suppouse you have based it on gtkperf, basically you have to substitute "gtkperf" by leafpad in any appearance
<tuxbrain> I should also remove the Xorg in the PKG_BUILD_DIR
<tuxbrain> PKG_BUILD_DIR=$(BUILD_DIR)/$(_CATEGORY)/$(PKG_NAME) should be enough
<xakh> ok
<xakh> does that folder have to exist, or will it create it?
<xakh> also, what am I going to need to do to show it in /card on the nano, so I can easily put it in gmenu2x
<tuxbrain> no is part of the OpenWrt magic
<tuxbrain> mmm after you finis the proccess you will end with a ipkg file
<xakh> oh ok
<tuxbrain> you copy that ipkg file and put it some where (the sd card or the internal flash) where you can run "opkg  install thecreated.ipkg"
<xakh> what else do I need to remove from the makefile to make this go?
<tuxbrain> and then it will be installed directly on the rootfs of the nano
<tuxbrain> mmm send me it again :)
<xakh> ok
<xakh> should be there now
<tuxbrain> ok, at first sight and with my knowledge seems ok now, let's try and see what happens
<tuxbrain> ./scripts/feeds update 23:07
<xakh> just like that?
<tuxbrain> ./scripts/feeds install -p myfeed
<tuxbrain> yes
<xakh> oops, wait
<tuxbrain> I guess
<tuxbrain> what?
<xakh> still in category xorg
<xakh> oops. ;)
<tuxbrain> well it just means that when you search for it in the menuconfig will appear under that categorie, nothing else
<xakh> I know, under neatness, changed it
<tuxbrain> once you run the avobe instrucctions the real fun will beguin :P
<rafa> kristianpaul: where did tuxbrain point that?
<kristianpaul> rafa: it was time ago
<kristianpaul> i was bugging here about serial port and bn
<kristianpaul> s/bn/Ben nanonote
<xakh> oops
<tuxbrain> rafa: and in honor to true was Carlos Camargo + Xiang Fu I'm just an verbose executor
<xakh> errorrr
<tuxbrain> mmm have you setup the xburst architecture in make menuconfig (step 1 of the howto)
<tuxbrain> ?
<xakh> yeah
<xakh> I did
<tuxbrain> mmm strange
<xakh> am I supposed to be running that inside the menuconfig?
<tuxbrain> nop the scripts to update feeds not
<xakh> hmm
<tuxbrain> mmm have you already run "make" to complile the toolchain, kernel, etc?
<xakh> o.o
<rafa> tuxbrain: a verbose executor is always a good proof ;)
<tuxbrain> xakh: what computer you have due this step can take a while (on Quad core about 30 mins)
<xakh> it's a decent, but aging laptop
<tuxbrain> then, if you don't mind, I will go to sleep :P
<xakh> haha
<xakh> alrighty
<xakh> well, when you think you'll be back?
<xakh> so where do I go to run make?
<tuxbrain> in the root of openwrt
<xakh> okay
<xakh> so /openwrt/openwrt-xburst in my case?
<tuxbrain> weekend is for family, so expect I can't do another tutorial session until monday
<xakh> that's fine.
<xakh> thanks for all your help
<tuxbrain> yes that's the folder
<xakh> I'll just run that other command after this thing makes
<tuxbrain> give me that thanks when we finish to compile that package, i also want it on the Nano :)
<xakh> alrighty!
<xakh> I'm glad I'm not the only fan of leafpad.
<xakh> after this, maybe something a bit tougher, like a browser?
<steve|m> too bad
<xakh> ?
<steve|m> ...leafpad uses the same icon as gedit in ubuntu lucid
<tuxbrain> yes when those commands finish correctly, enter in make menuconfig search for the package leafpad, mark it as <M>  exit and run make again
<steve|m> (sorry, accidentially hit enter) ;)
<xakh> ok
<xakh> yeah it does
<xakh> but I took their old one with the pencil and the leaf
<tuxbrain> why it's bad? I think the text editor icon is some what standard of freedesktop.org, isn't it?
<xakh> should look good in gmenu2x
<xakh> yeah, but I think the leaf + pencil looks way cooler
<steve|m> well, once you get used to something.. I use gnome-panel for launching the most important applications
<xakh> if you want the old icon
<tuxbrain> well guys, good night from spain. Buenas Noches :* :*
<steve|m> tuxbrain: gn8
<xakh> night bud
<steve|m> xakh: there is still some some stuff that bugs me, like a decent gtk-based hex-editor.. I currently use Okteta
<xakh> that svg's nice, but since gmenu2x requires pngs at 32x32, they're pretty cool for me
<xakh> yo zear
<xakh> wand of polymorph
<xakh> turned into one of those nearly invincible ghosts
<zear> yeah, the only times i got deeper into the dungeon was when i was polymorphed :)
<zear> the trick is to polymorph yourself and put a ring of unchanging (or was it an amulet?) on you
<xakh> ghostie things can't wear anything
<zear> yeah, but they're powerful
<zear> and you still can use magic/wands
<xakh> yup
<xakh> it
<xakh> is awesome
<zear> the game is really fun
<xakh> and I have noclip on
<zear> i just wish it had larger levels and more monsters/items
<zear> as it feels like chess ;)
<xakh> eek.
<xakh> transformed back into my old self on level 6
<xakh> and I'm still level 1
<xakh> and I read the wrong scroll and set myself on fire
<xakh> hey, what's a scroll of magic mapping do?
<zear> discover the nearby map
<zear> useless except some rare situations
<xakh> ah
<FrankBlues> I am not understanding the compilation error I'm seeing
<FrankBlues> it keeps saying missing seperator on a line that is blank...
<FrankBlues> Makefile:49: ***missing separator. Stop.
<mth> does it contain a tab?
<FrankBlues> No... should it?
<mth> probably not
<mth> can you post some context? (here or pastebin)
<xakh> welp, off to shower time. See you dudes in a sec
<FrankBlues> lemme change to a regular irc client, halfasec.
<FrankBlues> kk
<FrankBlues> lets see
<mth> line 49 is not blank though, it contains the eval
<FrankBlues> Right...
<FrankBlues> It was complaining about 47 before, my math was off after adding some whitespace.
<mth> you could change $(eval into $(info to make it print the expansion
<FrankBlues> kk
<FrankBlues> Saved, trying make again.
<FrankBlues> Hrm... now I got this: http://pastebin.com/W2XcAMSW
<FrankBlues> The target/mx2 line is baffling...
<mth> I don't see anything that looks like the output of $(info
<mth> maybe use $(error instead?
<mth> that will force Make to stop there
<FrankBlues> Wait wait wait... I have to compile the kernel and toolchain first, yes?
<FrankBlues> Flargh.
<mth> I'm not familiar with OpenWRT yet; I know Make, but not in this context
<FrankBlues> ...
<FrankBlues> Thanks for the help, it's time for me to leave work... I'll tinker with this later.
<xakh_washin> oh shit dudes
<xakh> my compile's finished!
<rafa> wolfspraul: larsc : do you know some way to build nn kernel without to use openwrt? I mean, 1- get just the kernel source code 2- build it
<larsc> rafa: make ARCH=mips
<rafa> larsc: thanks, using vanilla right?
<qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: Add qi_lb60 defconfig http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/4d7a0d7
<rafa> larsc: ah.. okey. Let me try then
<rafa> larsc: it builds.. I have another question: do you know which kernel config option to set so I can get debug kernel messages on console?..
<rafa> larsc: to the current .config I added the option : "Map the console to the primary display device" but without luck..
<rafa> I just see the logo
<mth> EARLY_PRINTK + "console=tty0" on the kernel command line, I think
<rafa> I have changed the openwrt logo, I put tux which is tinier
<rafa> mth: how can I set command line? I am booting from micro sd
<rafa> Early printk is set
<rafa> in kernel .config
<mth> command line can be set in the boot loader or in the "kernel hacking" section of menuconfig
<rafa> I know, but I do not know how to edit the boot loader comman line in nanonote
<mth> I don't know either, but if it's only for testing it's fine to do it via the kernel config
<rafa> perhaps.. because I do not see kernel messages with the current .config options I am guessing that something is avoiding that
<mth> CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE is enabled?
<rafa> all the options for kernel messages are set
<rafa> and yes, CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y is set
<mth> try "cat /proc/cmdline" to see if "console=" is used there
<rafa> he.. I can not boot.. that is why I am asking how to see kernel messages ;)
<rafa> well it does (boots), but I can not see where it stucks
<rafa> but it does not reach the rootfs mount + init scripts
<larsc> afaik, the default cmd line does not include console=tty0
<larsc> rafa: and you should switch to the jz-2.6.34 branch in case you haven't
<urandom_> the openwrt logo should be removed in the official image as well or at least replaced with small tux or qi logo
<wolfspraul> urandom_: you mean the openwrt logo should be removed in the openwrt image?
<urandom_> uhm yeah
<kristianpaul> it can co-exist with other logos i think
<kristianpaul> but.. to many logos an start up...
<kristianpaul> i dont like to see i think
<urandom_> not co-exits, remove it, takes too much space and is ugly
<kristianpaul> also qi brand is labeled in the nano case
<kristianpaul> seems we need a poll :)
<wolfspraul> urandom_: makes no sense to me. if you don't like the logo you can remove it yourself or replace it.
<kristianpaul> indeed
<kristianpaul> but
<wolfspraul> but if we are using openwrt, of course I think there should be an openwrt splash screen at bootup
<wolfspraul> Debian renamed Firefox to Iceweasel, but OK they had some licensing issues over the artwork.
<kristianpaul> but there is a contest http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Splash_logo_contest
<wolfspraul> but other than that I would never rename free software.I think we should credit the people and projects that we are using more, not less :-)
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: yes sure, all for choice. It's already easy to build a new image, or change the splash screen.
<wolfspraul> anyway, speaking for myself I like the OpenWrt splash screen
<kristianpaul> i think we need a more refined OpenwrtLogo
<kristianpaul> myself too, i just a bit poor in quality
<wolfspraul> I'm not following the logo/splash discussion upstream, I'm sure OpenWrt would be happy if people helped with artwork.
<urandom_> taking the openwrt logo out it not renaming or not crediting openwrt
<kristianpaul> credit
<kristianpaul> but with a refined logo
<kristianpaul> any way, every people taste diferent
<urandom_> well if someone makes a nice logo i would be happy too
<kristianpaul> what about this http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Logo.gif ?
<kristianpaul> and so on
<wolfspraul> urandom_: you can submit improved artwork to the openwrt folks I'm sure
<wolfspraul> everybody loves better artwork
<wolfspraul> but my point is - if anything then we help openwrt 'look better'
<urandom_> i like the the first one the http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Logo.gif
<wolfspraul> and if they don't agree, well we can keep submitting stuff but I will happily use whatever logo/artwork they currently think is best
<urandom_> well i cant do any art myself, i just can criticize it ;)
<wolfspraul> he - fair enough! :-)
<rafa> urandom_: well, the distribution is openwrt so the logo is okey perhaps. Perhaps an openwrt logo with a little Qi logo mix? :)
<urandom_> rafa well i dont really care if it says openwrt or something different as long as the logo looks good :P but yeah yeah mix would make sense