08:09 <Candle> mvzink: That connection of yours isn't very stable!

08:57 <malthe> Candle: you can use something like /ignore -channels #ponylang * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS

10:23 <notwas> hello?

10:43 <malthe> notwas: whats up

10:50 <notwas> malthe: I have question regarding the project "management" of the Pony language. I've noticed that there seems to be not much activity from Sylvan lately. Do you know something about that?

10:52 <malthe> notwas: you can get an idea of what he's up to here: https://github.com/sylvanc

10:55 <notwas> yes I've seen that. That is part of the reason I've asked. I've also noticed from the headers of some of the papers that also other people are/were involved.

11:00 <notwas> Initially, I've thought that Sylvan is somehow leading the project, but I maybe thats not the case. That's the reason I've asked, because my impression is that the language is still pretty young. So there is quite some foundational work to do (like the Strings api). Thats the reason I thought it would be interesting to know which people are making the decisions.

11:08 <malthe> notwas: https://pony.groups.io/g/user/message/618

11:09 <malthe> there's a core team that ultimately makes decisions.

11:11 <notwas> thanks for link, could you tell me who is in that core team now

11:12 <malthe> https://github.com/orgs/ponylang/teams/core

11:15 <notwas> I have to have an account for this link

12:30 <SeanTAllen> Sylvan started a new job a couple months ago and is finishing his thesis. He's involved every week in the sync calls but otherwise is primarily working on finishing his thesis.

14:31 <notwas> SeanTAllen: do you know if he comes back full steam, after finished his thesis. After reading the messages about Causalitys shutdown I was left with the impression the initial core team likes to transfer Pony entirely into the hands of the community.

15:16 <jemc> notwas: what sylvan does or does not have time for after finishing his thesis is probably hard for even to predict - however, we still have a critical mass of core team and heavy hitting contributors to continue making progress, including with the String API

16:12 <SeanTAllen> notwas: of the 2 primary people at causality, andy mcneil has moved on, sylvan is still very much around. he is actively contributing, just not code at the moment.

16:34 <notwas> SeanTAllen: thanks for answering. Besides Sylvan which are the people that understand the entire codebase of Pony? Sorry for being so annoying but a lot of (negative) past experiences made me cautious.

16:43 <SeanTAllen> i can't speak for anyone else. i do not know every part of the codebase because i haven't worked with it all.

16:44 <SeanTAllen> if you are looking for projects where people know the entire codebase, i think you aren't going to find many that aren't small projects.

16:44 <SeanTAllen> for larger projects, if one person knows the entire codebase then they probably had a hand in writing it all which long term, doesn't suggest a healthy project

16:52 <jmiven> notwas: I find that a good way to assess the health and future of a project is to watch the project on github and read the mailing lists. In the case of Pony, seemingly all is done in the open so it's very easy :-)

16:53 <jmiven> even the sync call is published and is very informative (btw, thanks for that!)

16:54 <mollymorphic> the real question is though: is pony web-scale? I don't want to spend effort adopting tooling if it's not web-scale

16:54 <jmiven> haha

17:01 <SeanTAllen> jmiven: we strive to be open.

17:01 <SeanTAllen> glad to know people are listening to the sync recording

17:06 <jemc> notwas: regarding understanding of the codebase, I think that among the non-sylvan part of the core team and some of the heavy-hitting contributors, we do have a pretty complete coverage of the codebase - some of us have more knowledge of certain parts than others (for example, I've spent a lot of time refactoring compiler passes but know very little about some details in the runtime at the moment)

17:13 <SeanTAllen> i on the other hand know very little about most of the compiler passes but have a good to strong grasp on most of the runtime

17:13 <SeanTAllen> makes a good combo

18:26 <notwas> While listening to the sync recording I don't think it was questionable or funny to ask for Sylvans future role.

18:26 <SeanTAllen> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

19:21 <jemc> notwas: nobody said it was funny or questionable - we did our best to give you our honest answer

19:21 <jemc> I think it's reasonable to ask such questions, but I think our answers have also been reasonable

20:15 <malthe> SeanTAllen: ya really good with sync recordings. probably a lot of folks like me can't participate due to time of day etc

20:35 <SeanTAllen> sync calls. scheduled for right after Sylvan finishes story time. <-- true story