00:28 <kelcecil> What kind of awesomeness happens in here?

00:34 <SeanTAllen> often quiet kelcecil

00:35 <SeanTAllen> most of the activity is oddly enough, usually on weekdays

00:38 <kelcecil> Don't worry. I like to talk.

00:51 <theodus> How long does Homebrew usually take?

01:01 <SeanTAllen> anywhere from an hour to 24 hours theodus

20:56 <Unit158> Hi all, I'm just curious to see if there are some GUI and audio wrappers already made for pony.

21:02 <SeanTAllen> Unit158: I think someone was working on some audio stuff. TwoNotes is/was but I'm not really sure exactly what he is doing. Someone was doing something GUI related but there's no "this is it" wrappers.

21:03 <Unit158> Cool, thanks :)

21:05 <Unit158> The no crashes part of pony is super attractive for live settings

21:07 <doublec> Unit158: I have an example of using SDL from Pony but that's about the only GUI stuff I've tried

21:07 <doublec> Unit158: https://github.com/doublec/pony-sdl-example

21:08 <doublec> There may or may not be thread issues in it - I need to investigate SDL's requirements of functions that need to be locked to a thread, if any.

21:08 <jemc> Unit158: it's also worth noting that the crash safety guarantees kind of go out the window when you start using FFI (wrapping C libraries) - it's up to the FFI-using developer to make sure guarantees will properly hold (not to mention the stability of the C lib being wrapped)

21:12 <SeanTAllen> Unit158: also the no crashes are great except for where we have bugs in the runtime. Its more theory than practice at the moment. That said, we are writing a lot of very fast code in Pony where I work and have far fewer crashes than we would with C. The Pony team takes crashes very seriously and aim to fix them asap when reported.

21:19 <Unit158> Low-latency audio on windows sucks, so I might not get very far anyway. Thanks for the help though guys :)

21:21 <SeanTAllen> Unit158: there's a virtual users' group presentation on PonyGame on Thursday. Nick has been working on a Pony package for using DirectX. That might be of interest to you.

21:22 <SeanTAllen> https://pony.groups.io/g/vug/viewevent?eventid=44348&calstart=2016-10-13

21:22 <Unit158> nah, I'm looking to interface with something like ASIO or WASAPI. Unfortunately, I haven't done much programming where I have actually had to write my own wrappers.

21:22 <Unit158> However, it is a neat idea nonetheless and I wish him luck with it.