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<houkime>
the situation with Google Fuchsia is a bit worrying.
<houkime>
capability-based microkernel basis seems at least theoretically superior to the monolithic linux design
<houkime>
and the concept has been there for a looong time, just very neglected.
<houkime>
and now google buys its way into future by adopting a neglected concept
<houkime>
and is quite likely to succeed because it has the resources to develop it
<houkime>
and hereby we will obtain another foss kernel which is probable to overperform linux, but not community-lead.
<bencoh>
indeed
<houkime>
It is a bad situation because it will be prone to electron/chromium-like controversial behavior (there was a story when a foss google electron was fetching a binary blob and enabling a mic)
<houkime>
The open source by itself is not enough for security, and community will have a trouble catching up its devspeed to provide a community-based alternative.
<houkime>
even if you fork fuchsia to secure it, google will still develop it faster
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<houkime>
the only reasonable community reaction i can imagine is to build more comfortable microkernel development toolchain
<houkime>
so that developing crazy kernels becomes easy as pie
<houkime>
then community will have a possibility to quickly generate and test new concepts
<houkime>
and one of the experiments will be more promising than a google kernel
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<houkime>
Among megacorps Google is really the largest world threat nowadays I think. Apple is self-enclosed, Microsoft is still invasive but became quite weak, facebook is also enclosed more or less. But google, google is everywhere and still pushing.
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<sicelo>
houkime: nice video! tyvm
<houkime>
not really to the level though. My narration and video planning are still low.
<houkime>
thx
<houkime>
Want to ease the entry barrier as much as possible.
<houkime>
probably there will be a full-blown contribution guide
<sicelo>
it's a good start :)
<houkime>
on the layout side esds are currently killing me and i need to overhaul them somehow
<houkime>
joerg says that one can just leave generic fps there but the thing is they don't fit
<houkime>
This is the second time i have esd troubles
<houkime>
although last time it was just placement without part overhauls
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<houkime>
updated issues and planning repos to include this videolink.
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<houkime>
also clarified goals for contribution streamlining in Planning
<houkime>
basically neo900 should be so easy to contribute to that it can be used as an edu project for novice mobile devs.
<houkime>
I'm really a bit sick of barriers everywhere.
<houkime>
barriers make people think they can't do something even if they in fact can
<houkime>
to give you an outline of my noobness - before i started to poke neo900 i barely used pcb eda once.
<sicelo>
but, have you ever produced a pcb?
<houkime>
nope. neo900 is really in THAT much trouble now
<houkime>
that even me with my pure physics education is better than nothing
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<sicelo>
interesting then :)
<houkime>
I try to be scientific and rigorous and apply theory and internet wherever can but that's it
<houkime>
I will probably include some list of most useful internet resources also then
<houkime>
I think that it's the time when community should save the day even if it is barely competent. Otherwise there's just not enough devpower.
<houkime>
tbh neo900 is already quite a kerbal device by concept.
<houkime>
davethewave tried to join from outside and probably drowned in data so i think it is a signal for entry to be eased.
<houkime>
if even when people want to join it is too hard sth needs to be done
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<houkime>
neo900 is intended to be understandable even for end users by design, not to say potential devs
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<houkime>
BTW neo900 can become the biggest pcb-related material source on peertube.
<houkime>
like, 10 videos and there will be a total media domination
<houkime>
there's only electube.nulled.network - a specialised instance, but it is a bit fragmented it seems and has almost no views
<houkime>
like, even my pcb tour is the most popular video with "pcb" in it
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<sicelo>
:-)
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<houkime>
the only problem is that Trending page is a bit broken now, because otherwise we might as well get into trends at some point
<houkime>
developers seem to be overwhelmed with issues as of now
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<houkime>
btw I just thought - we miss a backer honorboard.
<houkime>
on the neo900.org
<houkime>
or at least in the repos somewhere.
<houkime>
Just looked at peertube's - they have quite a wall of names
<houkime>
ideally i might place it even on pcb itself
<houkime>
but i think it won't fit and will interfere with thechnical markup lines, and wrapping will be a pin
<houkime>
*pain
<houkime>
there is one more idea on this - one can include names into compoents references
<houkime>
this is quite hilarious
<atk>
houkime: how can you place 500 names on a pcb?
<atk>
or well
<atk>
it will end up being 800 names at this rate
<houkime>
I've seen similar stuff when gamers on youtube name characters and ingame stuff with backernames
<pribib>
a url?
<houkime>
url is ok, but a bit on a banal side. also not really useful if the address is long to type it
<houkime>
also from the filming view the reward effect will be stronger if i for example will call resistors by backernames out loud - like you, R15alsobacker, go here and connect
<houkime>
One just needs to leave the functional <PartLetter><SheetNumber>prefix untouched
<atk>
won't that affect the silkscreen?
<houkime>
hmmm... rechecked pcb real quick
<houkime>
seems like it will, but only for large/rare parts
<houkime>
it will affect fab layer however
<houkime>
fab layer is virtual though.
<houkime>
idk what pcbhouse will say though
<houkime>
technically it shouldn't be a real problem, it's just about how much additional trouble one wants to have to honor backers
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<houkime>
there should be at least one non-standard cool honoring i think. Project is very long and backers deserve sth cool.
<houkime>
*honoring method employed
<houkime>
also one can theoretically engrave a wall of names with laser to a back of a case
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<houkime>
even from an inner side this will be nice
<houkime>
laser engraving is not sth superduper complex to do afaik
<houkime>
but this is more for an actual production stage.
<houkime>
if anything, one can have a script to temporary reverse component naming just for production
<houkime>
and they will be still there somewhere on the case and all over internet files
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<houkime>
prbib: if url it probably needs to be a qr code
<houkime>
prbib: case engraving still feels more direct though
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* chomwitt
watched houkime's video on peertube
<houkime>
chomwitt: any advice?
<chomwitt>
aloxa!
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<houkime>
hi (probably... the hawaian word is quite ambiguous)
<chomwitt>
really? aloxa.. is ambiguous??
<houkime>
as far as i remember it is both greeting and bye
<chomwitt>
didnt know that!
<chomwitt>
kudos for the video
<houkime>
next time will try to be more structurised and fastpaced since it was edited together anyway
<houkime>
there was also a problem that obs ate some split seconds from the end of fragments