06:14 <brolin_empey> Joerg-Neo900: SFTP has at least two possible meanings: Secure File Transfer Protocol or Secure Shell File Transfer Protocol.

11:54 <Joerg-Neo900> brolin_empey: my mimetypes interprete SFTP:// in unambiguous way

11:55 <Joerg-Neo900> https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=SFTP

11:57 <Joerg-Neo900> I guess nobody nowadays thinks "simple file transfer" when SFTP

11:59 <Joerg-Neo900> though indeed SSH FTP aka SFTP is simpler than classical FTP

12:01 <Joerg-Neo900> see "FTP passive mode" and "NAT"

12:10 <Joerg-Neo900> >>Simple File Transfer Protocol (the first protocol abbreviated SFTP), as defined by RFC 913, was proposed as an (unsecured) file transfer protocol with a level of complexity intermediate between TFTP and FTP. It was never widely accepted on the Internet, and is now assigned Historic status by the IETF. << (wikipedia) I don't know what you meant by "Secure File Transfer Protocol", assuming you refer to "Simple" instead "Secure"

12:10 <Joerg-Neo900> there's FTPS which is differnet to SFTP

19:10 <brolin_empey> Joerg-Neo900: I thought that SFTP = Secure File Transfer Protocol is File Transfer Protocol using SSL/TLS. I do not remember the details because I have not studied this stuff for years.

20:17 <enyc> brolin_empey: Sftp is more like sort-of-ftp over ** SSH **

20:27 <Joerg-Neo900> my workstation is pretty much messed up completely, after system upgrade :-/ this will take quite a while to fix

20:27 <Joerg-Neo900> particularly KDE is fubar now

20:30 <houkime> Joerg, what is the reason behind U1101 exp connecting to a different ground from all other ground pins of this component?

20:31 <Joerg-Neo900> sorry I'm totally out of business, can't even switch windows ATM

20:31 <houkime> it is because there won't be a split in a groundplane to accomodate agnd and we're using star instead?

20:31 <houkime> ok

20:33 <Joerg-Neo900> yes, sounds like a reasonable explanation as far as I can follow

20:33 <Joerg-Neo900> we have some chips with both AGND and normal GND

20:33 <Joerg-Neo900> however pad should connect to one of them

20:34 <Joerg-Neo900> there shouldn't be a component that has all GND pins on one GND and only thermal pad on a different GND

20:35 <Joerg-Neo900> the data sheet needs to advice which GND to connect exp to

20:35 <Joerg-Neo900> or leave it completely unconnected

20:35 <enyc> 'AGND = audio ground?

20:35 <Joerg-Neo900> yes

20:35 <houkime> I will also try out Arch with KDE once they figure out Wayland. Should be quite resource saving since xorgless (ancient clunky monster xorg).

20:36 <houkime> datasheet says to connect it to the same gnd as other pins - agnd

20:37 <houkime> Just thought you invented some optimisation or have other reasons to go usual gnd for exp

20:38 <Joerg-Neo900> no, not afaik

20:38 <houkime> thing is that you won't be able to do thermal vias if you don't have aunderlying agnd then

20:39 <Joerg-Neo900> what is this chip?

20:39 <houkime> headphone ampli

20:39 <Joerg-Neo900> hmmm

20:40 <houkime> my thought for audio was to have a whole region for agnd on the gndplane

20:40 <Joerg-Neo900> doesn't it have both AGND and digital/common GND? ut has I2C, no?

20:40 <houkime> and concentrate stuff together

20:41 <houkime> it has i2c

20:42 <houkime> however recommended layout in datasheet uses only one gnd

20:42 <houkime> which given this is an ampli should be agnd

20:44 <Joerg-Neo900> we use a different layout if we have a I2C GND on this chip

20:45 <Joerg-Neo900> sory this makes no sense. This KDE is total shit and I can't do anything to really help right now. I need to fix my workstation so I can work again (also for PIA)

20:45 <houkime> ok

20:46 <Joerg-Neo900> I hope this won'T take the anticipated 2 weeks

20:46 <Joerg-Neo900> but as it looks right now, it might

20:46 <houkime> btw what os you are trying out?

20:46 <Joerg-Neo900> I just upgraded

20:47 <Joerg-Neo900> which included KDE4 -> KDE5

20:47 <Joerg-Neo900> which in turn nuked *everything* I got configured on my desktop during almost 20 years

20:48 <houkime> my first reaction when shit like that happens - recompile problematic stuff from sources.

20:48 <houkime> usually saves the day

20:49 <Joerg-Neo900> this is a config issue, recompiling stuff won't help

20:49 <Joerg-Neo900> also I couldn't even open a terminal right now

20:50 <houkime> can you open a file manager?

20:52 <houkime> or the terminal is broken itself?

20:52 <Joerg-Neo900> the desktop is broken

20:53 <Joerg-Neo900> I can't even reach the menu bar of my IRC client

20:53 <houkime> on occasions like this (which I had), i have an emergency usb stick with a live medium

20:54 <houkime> live medium for arch allows you to chroot into system.

20:54 <houkime> probably other also have sth like that

20:55 <Joerg-Neo900> I jave ctrl+alt+F1

20:55 <Joerg-Neo900> but... what then?

20:58 <houkime> last time I did it I cleaned up problematic stuff from shell. You can purge your config files and reinstall kde probably

20:59 <houkime> so that you can have a default kde again.

21:18 <houkime> it is also possible that kde has a special CLI command to restore defaults.

21:28 <Joerg-Neo900> ok removed the top-of-screen panel and added task manager to bottom panel, now (after session restart) I see window title bars again and also buttons in taskswitcher

21:54 <Joerg-Neo900> what the hell??? is this new systemd "session" concept that every app loses connection to internet when you switch to a new X11 session?

22:02 <houkime> S901: 1v8 decoupling is missing. Also looks like inappropriate number of decouplers for so many spacially separated pins

22:03 <houkime> *spatially

22:04 <houkime> inappropriate decoupling is a problem throughout several sensors on neo900 it looks like

22:04 <Joerg-Neo900> add decoupling as you see fit

22:21 <houkime> filled a bit my new issue tracking page. https://notabug.org/Houkime/Neo900-Issues/issues