<wpwrak> and twitter knows what you think
<wpwrak> hmm, reading about VW's latest scandal (CO2), we may find also them on gofundme before too long ...
<DocScrutinizer05> I guess they have even more precise methods to determine what you *really* think than just silly twitter where everybody just plays silly games
<DocScrutinizer05> VW's latest "svandal" is a red herring I guess. *Of course* every car emits more CO2 during normal driving than on a sterile testbench setup where you got no wind and no real street and no steering and no passengers etc
<DocScrutinizer05> it's age old story that in real life you never can reach the low L/100km (high miles/gallon) that any car suggests in testbench
<saper> I think VW scandal has another dimension: it's a problem with malicious, black-box software.
<saper> Besides, they shot themselves and a whole German industry in the foot. If one imposes environmental limits and norms to stop imports of cheap cars from China; and *then* it turns out everybody is only cheating; then we can shut down the whole stuff and the famous industry goes down... this can have catastrophic consequences
<Oksana> Hmm, sterile testbench setup could have obese passenger-models in all four seats, wherein real life shows that many 4seat cars carry only one human. But, testers did not want to hear complaints from manufacturer, so they made tests too simple...
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<mago_> hey! weird question, but .. do you know if the PHS8 modem has AT commands to test low-level RF? Lets say I generate a frequency into the antenna port, is there any way I can verify it through an AT command? I skimmed through the AT command set, didn't find any test commands at all. I suppose these type of diagnostic commands do exist, but are generally not documented. Anyone know?
<saper> never heard about such AT commands, but maybe I didn't dig deep enough
<saper> probably it could require some 'raw' DSP access
<mago_> i ask because we have a PHS8 modem in a product, and would like to be able to verify that the antenna connection has been soldered/mounted properly during manufacturing. So to avoid having to put in a SIM-card, make it go online, we would instead just verify it using a carrier wave
<mago_> i suppose the neo900 would face this issue aswell, in production
<mago_> how do you intend to verify the antenna in your manufacturing process?
<saper> modems do search for a network without SIM cards, don't they?
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<saper> what's the AT for the signal level or list of networks available?
<mago_> AT+CSQ is signal strength
<saper> +CSQ: 14,99
<mago_> thereś also AT^SMONI
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<mago_> i was just curious on how it has been solved for the neo900; but maybe it hasn't?
<mago_> saper: in general, it's nice to have no external dependencies in your manufacturing process. the factory should not stop just because the mobile operator has a breakdown :)
<saper> if one is serious about manufacturing one has vendor docs
<saper> and puts a test point on a board or whatever
<Wizzup> mago_: what do you mean, maybe it hasn't?
<Wizzup> oh, right
<Wizzup> nevermind
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<amatus> you could give your manufacturer a picocell for testing
<DocScrutinizer05> I think searching for available networks should work without SIM
<DocScrutinizer05> but you not only want to test antenna but also SIM tray as well, so you will need to insert a test SIM at factory anyway
<DocScrutinizer05> *usually* you use a CMU200 or sth similar for those tests
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<amatus> it would be neat if the modems had a command for measuring SWR
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<Albert_> hallo
<DocScrutinizer05> hi!
<Albert_> bist du das jörg
<DocScrutinizer05> you might want to /query me
<Albert_> how?
<DocScrutinizer05> yep, it's me :)
<DocScrutinizer05> /query DocScrutinizer05
<Albert_> dann hats ja geklappt ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05> yep, you're in #neo900 channel here
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<wpwrak> with docscruti@..., Albert looks like another instance of joerg :)
<DocScrutinizer05> yep, beginner's config hell
<DocScrutinizer05> I guess it's the login name
<wpwrak> Albert_: herzlich willkommen, by the way !
<DocScrutinizer05> /whois wpwrak
<DocScrutinizer05> Albert is my friend who has an eye on the accounting
<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak is Werner Almesberger, member of the Neo900 team, living in Argentina
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<DocScrutinizer05> ohmy, limechat has _no_ manual at all, except the japanese one?
<DocScrutinizer05> a true apple program, eh? manual not needed, everything is obvious
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<Albert> hallo
<DocScrutinizer05> not at me
<DocScrutinizer05> at channel
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<DocScrutinizer05> Albert: welcome back! :-D
<DocScrutinizer05> Albert: it's a good thing that you are identified to nickserv now. Yesterday some other albert logged in to freenode network and I thought it's you ;-)
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<DocScrutinizer05> Albert: it seems limechat doesn't show the channel topic per default. So you can use '/topic' to show it. But for convenience I'll post it in chat for once:
<DocScrutinizer05> /topic
<DocScrutinizer05> /topic
* DocScrutinizer05 is afk. brinner calling. Or actually just breakfast
<Arch-TK> A paid IRC client?
<Arch-TK> what?
<Arch-TK> Aren't there enough free ones which are also free software or open source software?
<DocScrutinizer05> seems limechat is free
<DocScrutinizer05> just it lacks any decent manual, except maybe the japanese one
<DocScrutinizer05> let's see if github has any sort of manual for that critter
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<Arch-TK> maybe I found the wrong one
<DocScrutinizer05> well, I dunno what's up with itunes, and tbh I don't care
<DocScrutinizer05> I also don't know if https://github.com/psychs/limechat is actually comprehensive
<Arch-TK> Maybe you can't have free stuff on there?
<amatus> i'm pretty sure there are free apps on there
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<Arch-TK> Weird.
<DocScrutinizer05> what's the problem with selling a GPL app on itunes appstore?
<amatus> no problem
<DocScrutinizer05> I rather have problems with the crappy resp nonexistent user manual of limechat
<amatus> why do you even tolerate apple products?
<DocScrutinizer05> huh?
<amatus> i assumed you are trying to use limechat on an iDevice
<DocScrutinizer05> because I'm a tolerant and helpful guy? Who's always helping friends to get their IT stuff working
<amatus> oh ok, not yours then
<DocScrutinizer05> I suggested xchat but that seems to not install for Albert
<wpwrak> another heresy case that doesn't go to the inquisitor after all :)
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<DocScrutinizer05> if any OSX savvy user in here: how would you spot the worst storage-hogging files on a over-full mac HDD ?
<unclouded> does their "find" support -printf?
<DocScrutinizer05> BSD I guess
<DocScrutinizer05> so should?
<unclouded> find -printf "%s %P\n" | sort -n | tail is my tool of choice
<DocScrutinizer05> thought along same line :-)
<saper> "du -ks directory"
<DocScrutinizer05> thanks!
<saper> du -k
<saper> I mainly do "du -ks | sort -nr > du-k" for a whole parition
<DocScrutinizer05> actually that's what I do on linux
<saper> du takes into account the block size taken by the files, is just plain file size in bytes.
<saper> du is posix
<DocScrutinizer05> I wonder what's -k
<DocScrutinizer05> kilobytes?
<DocScrutinizer05> and why -s?
<unclouded> summarize: less output
<DocScrutinizer05> doesn't it yield only one line output unless you give multiple arguments (you gave 0 args)
<unclouded> yes, that's what I use when I want to know the space used in total under a particular dir
<unclouded> "du -sh" for me
<DocScrutinizer05> yes
<DocScrutinizer05> du -ks|sort doesn't make much sense, no?
<unclouded> guess not, unless the -s switch does something different of different systems
<unclouded> not sure that Darwin "find" can be used to find large files. doesn't support -printf and -size seems to match size exactly suggests the man page
<DocScrutinizer05> ouch
<DocScrutinizer05> anyway, I'll suggest `du -k / 2>/dev/null |sort -nr|less`
<unclouded> ah, despite the man page, it might support "find {path} -size +1M
<DocScrutinizer05> yeah, the +/- prefix is rather standard I guess
<unclouded> seems to anyway even though it's not mentioned on the Darwin man page for find
<DocScrutinizer05> I have no access to those manpages
<DocScrutinizer05> is a xterm or whatever a usually found application on OSX?
<DocScrutinizer05> IOW can I advice somebody to "open a shell / xterm"?
<unclouded> yes, Finder, Applications, then Terminal I think
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<unclouded> maybe Application, Utilities or similar
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<ravelo> hey
<DocScrutinizer05> hi
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<ravelo> DocScrutinizer05: What is the status of the prototype?
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